Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages
On 2019 May 13 (Mon) at 21:17:16 -0400 (-0400), Steven Shockley wrote: :On 5/9/2019 10:55 AM, Theo de Raadt wrote: :> The real reason is because we're low on current for the flux capacitor, :> after shifting time for the early 6.5 release. Not all the machines :> were able to fit into back seat of the Delorian. : :Wouldn't that be low on -release or -stable? : -release packages. We currently do not offically build -stable packages. -- If you stand on your head, you will get footprints in your hair.
Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages
On 5/9/2019 10:55 AM, Theo de Raadt wrote: > The real reason is because we're low on current for the flux capacitor, > after shifting time for the early 6.5 release. Not all the machines > were able to fit into back seat of the Delorian. Wouldn't that be low on -release or -stable?
Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages
Awesome! Thank you for the status update. On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 6:33 PM Christian Weisgerber wrote: > > On 2019-05-09, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > > > The build has been running for 25 days so far, across two machines, > > and the packages will be uploaded once they are finished. > > I just signed the packages. They'll become available in a day or so. > > -- > Christian "naddy" Weisgerber na...@mips.inka.de >
Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages
On 2019-05-09, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > The build has been running for 25 days so far, across two machines, > and the packages will be uploaded once they are finished. I just signed the packages. They'll become available in a day or so. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber na...@mips.inka.de
Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages
On 2019-05-10, Karel Gardas wrote: > > > On 5/9/19 5:00 PM, Janne Johansson wrote: >> Den tors 9 maj 2019 kl 16:49 skrev Andrew Luke Nesbit < >> em...@andrewnesbit.org>: >> Unless https://www.openbsd.org/plat.html is out of date, it doesn't look like OpenBSD is currently supporting POWER8 or POWER9 plaftorms. >>> >>> I wonder what is the best way to determine interest in getting OpenBSD >>> to work on POWER8/9? >>> >> >> Look for amount of diffs published in the direction of getting it to work. >> If that is zero or very close to zero, then interest is probably at the >> same level. > > It's not that simple. From application developer even with decades of > experience you do not convert into kernel developer over night. Neither > you will be able to read all the required docs and specs and make a > brain map from them over night. It takes time. Also with all this under > your belt, still the port itself will take another time. So I would be > less sharp with 0 patches == 0 interest judgement. There are two different things. "interest in getting it to work" can be estimated by, as jj says, diffs, and also by seeing questions come up indicating that someone is looking in that direction. "interest in somebody else getting it to work" is different and pretty much irrelevant to whether it happens. >From what I've seen on mailing lists and other places, there's been at most a handful of the latter, and afaik 0 of the former.
Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages
On 2019-05-09, Matthew Graybosch wrote: > On Thu, May 9, 2019, at 9:28 AM, Henry Bonath wrote: >> I'm not sure how many folks out there are PowerPC users, but I was >> just curious if anyone had an idea on if or when we might see those >> out in the mirrors. > > I've got a 2003 lamp-style iMac that runs the macppc port of OpenBSD > -CURRENT. It runs fine but could use a RAM upgrade and a new SSD. > Pre-built package support for macppc isn't as extensive as on amd64; > NetSurf is the best graphical web browser I've found in macppc > packages, and I haven't dared try compiling from ports using only > 256MB of RAM and the original 60GB HDD -- but at least I've got Emacs. If something isn't present in pre-built packages (excluding ports with license restrictions), it will be because the build failed - building from ports won't help unless you are making changes to fix it.
Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages
On 5/9/19 5:00 PM, Janne Johansson wrote: Den tors 9 maj 2019 kl 16:49 skrev Andrew Luke Nesbit < em...@andrewnesbit.org>: Unless https://www.openbsd.org/plat.html is out of date, it doesn't look like OpenBSD is currently supporting POWER8 or POWER9 plaftorms. I wonder what is the best way to determine interest in getting OpenBSD to work on POWER8/9? Look for amount of diffs published in the direction of getting it to work. If that is zero or very close to zero, then interest is probably at the same level. It's not that simple. From application developer even with decades of experience you do not convert into kernel developer over night. Neither you will be able to read all the required docs and specs and make a brain map from them over night. It takes time. Also with all this under your belt, still the port itself will take another time. So I would be less sharp with 0 patches == 0 interest judgement.
Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages
The best may be to see ppc@ mailing list over last year. Certainly there is some interest, but well judge yourself. Karel On 5/9/19 4:45 PM, Andrew Luke Nesbit wrote: On 09/05/2019 14:56, Allan Streib wrote: Unless https://www.openbsd.org/plat.html is out of date, it doesn't look like OpenBSD is currently supporting POWER8 or POWER9 plaftorms. I wonder what is the best way to determine interest in getting OpenBSD to work on POWER8/9? My first thought is to ask around in the OpenBSD and OpenPOWER communities. Then to see if there is any natural rapport between them. Andrew
Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages
M Wedin wrote: > --eb97e20588825e48 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Den fre 10 maj 2019 kl 07:01 skrev Theo de Raadt : > > > >On Thu, May 09, 2019 at 06:12:54PM -0400, Christopher Turkel wrote: > > >> Be careful, you could a rip a whole in the time space continuum. > > > > > >Speaking of ripping anything with the time space continuum. I know the > > >CD's are an artifact of the past, but since we have time machines, can > > >someone find out why it is that after the 5.5 release (with the back to > > >the future theme coincidentally) the macppc port was stopped being called > > >"macppc" on CD#2? Instead it was called "powerpc" again which it hasn't > > >been called since 3.0 days or so. At first I thought someone swapped my > > >CD with a pirated copy and messed up on this, but it seems that we've > > >been travelling in a parallel dimension since 5.5. I just noticed this > > >last week btw. This is akin to calling i386, x86 all of sudden. > > > > > >Why was it called powerpc on the CD #2, after 5.5? > > > > To see if anyone cared. > > > > The AmigaOne is built with PPC. And it isn't a Mac. We were talking about real computers but you had to start talking about dolls. Pretty sad.
Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages
Den fre 10 maj 2019 kl 07:01 skrev Theo de Raadt : > >On Thu, May 09, 2019 at 06:12:54PM -0400, Christopher Turkel wrote: > >> Be careful, you could a rip a whole in the time space continuum. > > > >Speaking of ripping anything with the time space continuum. I know the > >CD's are an artifact of the past, but since we have time machines, can > >someone find out why it is that after the 5.5 release (with the back to > >the future theme coincidentally) the macppc port was stopped being called > >"macppc" on CD#2? Instead it was called "powerpc" again which it hasn't > >been called since 3.0 days or so. At first I thought someone swapped my > >CD with a pirated copy and messed up on this, but it seems that we've > >been travelling in a parallel dimension since 5.5. I just noticed this > >last week btw. This is akin to calling i386, x86 all of sudden. > > > >Why was it called powerpc on the CD #2, after 5.5? > > To see if anyone cared. > The AmigaOne is built with PPC. And it isn't a Mac. Wedin
Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages
>On Thu, May 09, 2019 at 06:12:54PM -0400, Christopher Turkel wrote: >> Be careful, you could a rip a whole in the time space continuum. > >Speaking of ripping anything with the time space continuum. I know the >CD's are an artifact of the past, but since we have time machines, can >someone find out why it is that after the 5.5 release (with the back to >the future theme coincidentally) the macppc port was stopped being called >"macppc" on CD#2? Instead it was called "powerpc" again which it hasn't >been called since 3.0 days or so. At first I thought someone swapped my >CD with a pirated copy and messed up on this, but it seems that we've >been travelling in a parallel dimension since 5.5. I just noticed this >last week btw. This is akin to calling i386, x86 all of sudden. > >Why was it called powerpc on the CD #2, after 5.5? To see if anyone cared.
Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages
On Thu, May 09, 2019 at 06:12:54PM -0400, Christopher Turkel wrote: > Be careful, you could a rip a whole in the time space continuum. Speaking of ripping anything with the time space continuum. I know the CD's are an artifact of the past, but since we have time machines, can someone find out why it is that after the 5.5 release (with the back to the future theme coincidentally) the macppc port was stopped being called "macppc" on CD#2? Instead it was called "powerpc" again which it hasn't been called since 3.0 days or so. At first I thought someone swapped my CD with a pirated copy and messed up on this, but it seems that we've been travelling in a parallel dimension since 5.5. I just noticed this last week btw. This is akin to calling i386, x86 all of sudden. Why was it called powerpc on the CD #2, after 5.5? Regards, -peter
Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages
On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 5:55 PM Edgar Pettijohn wrote: > > On May 9, 2019 2:45 PM, Henry Bonath wrote: > > > > Only if said trailer is Delorean-shaped. > > Maybe just attach a second delorian to the first. > > > > > On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 3:43 PM Edgar Pettijohn > wrote: > > > > > > > > > On May 9, 2019 10:41 AM, danieljb...@icloud.com wrote: > > > > > > > > On Thu, May 09, 2019 at 08:55:40AM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > > > > The real reason is because we're low on current for the flux > capacitor, > > > > > after shifting time for the early 6.5 release. Not all the > machines > > > > > were able to fit into back seat of the Delorian. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Come on Theo, everybody knows that you can't run a flux capacitor > > > > without 1.21 gigawatts. Great Scott > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps we can get a trailer to pull behind the delorian so we can fit > all of the machines. > > > > > Be careful, you could a rip a whole in the time space continuum.
Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages
On May 9, 2019 2:45 PM, Henry Bonath wrote: > > Only if said trailer is Delorean-shaped. Maybe just attach a second delorian to the first. > > On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 3:43 PM Edgar Pettijohn > wrote: > > > > > > On May 9, 2019 10:41 AM, danieljb...@icloud.com wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, May 09, 2019 at 08:55:40AM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > > > The real reason is because we're low on current for the flux capacitor, > > > > after shifting time for the early 6.5 release. Not all the machines > > > > were able to fit into back seat of the Delorian. > > > > > > > > > > Come on Theo, everybody knows that you can't run a flux capacitor > > > without 1.21 gigawatts. Great Scott > > > > > > > Perhaps we can get a trailer to pull behind the delorian so we can fit all > > of the machines. > >
Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages
Only if said trailer is Delorean-shaped. On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 3:43 PM Edgar Pettijohn wrote: > > > On May 9, 2019 10:41 AM, danieljb...@icloud.com wrote: > > > > On Thu, May 09, 2019 at 08:55:40AM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > > The real reason is because we're low on current for the flux capacitor, > > > after shifting time for the early 6.5 release. Not all the machines > > > were able to fit into back seat of the Delorian. > > > > > > > Come on Theo, everybody knows that you can't run a flux capacitor > > without 1.21 gigawatts. Great Scott > > > > Perhaps we can get a trailer to pull behind the delorian so we can fit all of > the machines. >
Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages
On May 9, 2019 10:41 AM, danieljb...@icloud.com wrote: > > On Thu, May 09, 2019 at 08:55:40AM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > The real reason is because we're low on current for the flux capacitor, > > after shifting time for the early 6.5 release. Not all the machines > > were able to fit into back seat of the Delorian. > > > > Come on Theo, everybody knows that you can't run a flux capacitor > without 1.21 gigawatts. Great Scott > Perhaps we can get a trailer to pull behind the delorian so we can fit all of the machines.
Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages
You get free shipping with any flux capacitor ‘ On Thursday, May 9, 2019, Paul Suh wrote: > On May 9, 2019, at 11:41 AM, danieljb...@icloud.com wrote: > > > > On Thu, May 09, 2019 at 08:55:40AM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: > >> The real reason is because we're low on current for the flux capacitor, > >> after shifting time for the early 6.5 release. Not all the machines > >> were able to fit into back seat of the Delorian. > >> > > > > Come on Theo, everybody knows that you can't run a flux capacitor > > without 1.21 gigawatts. Great Scott > > > > Not a problem. We can get a Mr. Fusion from Amazon to power the flux > capacitor: > > https://www.amazon.com/Back-Future-Mr-Fusion-Replica/dp/B00NPADMRK > > I'm off to setup a GoFundMe page for contributions towards one for the > OpenBSD project. ;-D > > > --Paul > >
Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages
On May 9, 2019, at 11:41 AM, danieljb...@icloud.com wrote: > > On Thu, May 09, 2019 at 08:55:40AM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: >> The real reason is because we're low on current for the flux capacitor, >> after shifting time for the early 6.5 release. Not all the machines >> were able to fit into back seat of the Delorian. >> > > Come on Theo, everybody knows that you can't run a flux capacitor > without 1.21 gigawatts. Great Scott > Not a problem. We can get a Mr. Fusion from Amazon to power the flux capacitor: https://www.amazon.com/Back-Future-Mr-Fusion-Replica/dp/B00NPADMRK I'm off to setup a GoFundMe page for contributions towards one for the OpenBSD project. ;-D --Paul
Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages
On Thu, May 09, 2019 at 08:55:40AM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: > The real reason is because we're low on current for the flux capacitor, > after shifting time for the early 6.5 release. Not all the machines > were able to fit into back seat of the Delorian. > Come on Theo, everybody knows that you can't run a flux capacitor without 1.21 gigawatts. Great Scott
Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages
Well, as far as I remember the flux capacitor runs on plutonium...Be cautious, Theo ... ;-)Joe Gesendet: Donnerstag, 09. Mai 2019 um 16:55 Uhr Von: "Theo de Raadt" An: "Christian Weisgerber" Cc: misc@openbsd.org Betreff: Re: 6.5 PowerPC PackagesChristian Weisgerber wrote: > On 2019-05-09, Henry Bonath wrote: > > > I'm not sure how many folks out there are PowerPC users, but I was > > just curious if anyone had an idea on if or when we might see those > > out in the mirrors. > > The build has been running for 25 days so far, across two machines, > and the packages will be uploaded once they are finished. > > There are two ways to go about this: We can delay the release until > all architectures have finished building, or we can start releasing > once the fast & popular archs are ready and the others will catch > up eventually. The real reason is because we're low on current for the flux capacitor, after shifting time for the early 6.5 release. Not all the machines were able to fit into back seat of the Delorian.
Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages
On 2019-05-09, Henry Bonath wrote: > I figured that was the case, I suppose I was a little afraid that they > weren't coming! Each release, XY.html (so 65.html now) has a paragraph Many pre-built packages for each architecture: listing the architectures and the respective package count. If it says : that means we are building and there WILL be packages for that arch. I think we've only broken that promise once. (No hppa for 6.3.) -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber na...@mips.inka.de
Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages
Andrew Luke Nesbit writes: > I am a user of Apple PowerBook G4, POWER8, and POWER9. I am new to > OpenBSD and I intend to experiment with it on these architectures. Unless https://www.openbsd.org/plat.html is out of date, it doesn't look like OpenBSD is currently supporting POWER8 or POWER9 plaftorms. Allan
Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages
That's good to know, thank you for sharing how the process works. My initial question was more of a curiosity than anything else. It's 100% understandable that these things take time, especially on older hardware. The early release of 6.5 was a nice surprise for sure! Thanks again! On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 10:53 AM Christian Weisgerber wrote: > > On 2019-05-09, Henry Bonath wrote: > > > I'm not sure how many folks out there are PowerPC users, but I was > > just curious if anyone had an idea on if or when we might see those > > out in the mirrors. > > The build has been running for 25 days so far, across two machines, > and the packages will be uploaded once they are finished. > > There are two ways to go about this: We can delay the release until > all architectures have finished building, or we can start releasing > once the fast & popular archs are ready and the others will catch > up eventually. > > -- > Christian "naddy" Weisgerber na...@mips.inka.de >
Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages
On 09/05/2019 16:45, Andrew Luke Nesbit wrote: On 09/05/2019 14:56, Allan Streib wrote: Unless https://www.openbsd.org/plat.html is out of date, it doesn't look like OpenBSD is currently supporting POWER8 or POWER9 plaftorms. I wonder what is the best way to determine interest in getting OpenBSD to work on POWER8/9? My first thought is to ask around in the OpenBSD and OpenPOWER communities. Then to see if there is any natural rapport between them Andrew There was a massive thread on obtaining POWER8 hardware from IBM to support a porting of the OS three years ago. It amounted to IBM's opensource people not seeing it as viable because of lack of demand from their customers. I doubt this will change any time soon I'm afraid. Cheers, Noth
Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages
Den tors 9 maj 2019 kl 16:49 skrev Andrew Luke Nesbit < em...@andrewnesbit.org>: > > Unless https://www.openbsd.org/plat.html is out of date, it doesn't look > > like OpenBSD is currently supporting POWER8 or POWER9 plaftorms. > > I wonder what is the best way to determine interest in getting OpenBSD > to work on POWER8/9? > Look for amount of diffs published in the direction of getting it to work. If that is zero or very close to zero, then interest is probably at the same level. -- May the most significant bit of your life be positive.
Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages
On 2019 May 09 (Thu) at 15:45:54 +0100 (+0100), Andrew Luke Nesbit wrote: :On 09/05/2019 14:56, Allan Streib wrote: :> Unless https://www.openbsd.org/plat.html is out of date, it doesn't look :> like OpenBSD is currently supporting POWER8 or POWER9 plaftorms. : :I wonder what is the best way to determine interest in getting OpenBSD :to work on POWER8/9? : In order to support a new architgecture, OpenBSD would need 10 or more physical machines to be distrbuted among the build infrastructure and interested developers. Loans and offers for machines that are hosted offsite don't count, nor do VMs. :My first thought is to ask around in the OpenBSD and OpenPOWER :communities. Then to see if there is any natural rapport between them. : :Andrew :-- :OpenPGP key: EB28 0338 28B7 19DA DAB0 B193 D21D 996E 883B E5B9 : -- If entropy is increasing, where is it coming from?
Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages
Christian Weisgerber wrote: > On 2019-05-09, Henry Bonath wrote: > > > I'm not sure how many folks out there are PowerPC users, but I was > > just curious if anyone had an idea on if or when we might see those > > out in the mirrors. > > The build has been running for 25 days so far, across two machines, > and the packages will be uploaded once they are finished. > > There are two ways to go about this: We can delay the release until > all architectures have finished building, or we can start releasing > once the fast & popular archs are ready and the others will catch > up eventually. The real reason is because we're low on current for the flux capacitor, after shifting time for the early 6.5 release. Not all the machines were able to fit into back seat of the Delorian.
Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages
On 2019-05-09, Henry Bonath wrote: > I'm not sure how many folks out there are PowerPC users, but I was > just curious if anyone had an idea on if or when we might see those > out in the mirrors. The build has been running for 25 days so far, across two machines, and the packages will be uploaded once they are finished. There are two ways to go about this: We can delay the release until all architectures have finished building, or we can start releasing once the fast & popular archs are ready and the others will catch up eventually. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber na...@mips.inka.de
Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages
On 09/05/2019 14:56, Allan Streib wrote: > Unless https://www.openbsd.org/plat.html is out of date, it doesn't look > like OpenBSD is currently supporting POWER8 or POWER9 plaftorms. I wonder what is the best way to determine interest in getting OpenBSD to work on POWER8/9? My first thought is to ask around in the OpenBSD and OpenPOWER communities. Then to see if there is any natural rapport between them. Andrew -- OpenPGP key: EB28 0338 28B7 19DA DAB0 B193 D21D 996E 883B E5B9 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages
I figured that was the case, I suppose I was a little afraid that they weren't coming! On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 9:35 AM Tom Smyth wrote: > > Hi Henry, > > it takes a while to build all the packages on PowerPC ... IIRC > so it will take a while AFAIK > > Thanks > > On Thu, 9 May 2019 at 14:34, Henry Bonath wrote: > > > > I'm not sure how many folks out there are PowerPC users, but I was > > just curious if anyone had an idea on if or when we might see those > > out in the mirrors. > > > > I also suppose in the same vein, I could be learning how to pull the > > ports tree and build what I need that way :-) > > > > Thanks! > > > > > -- > Kindest regards, > Tom Smyth.
Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages
On Thu, May 9, 2019, at 9:28 AM, Henry Bonath wrote: > I'm not sure how many folks out there are PowerPC users, but I was > just curious if anyone had an idea on if or when we might see those > out in the mirrors. I've got a 2003 lamp-style iMac that runs the macppc port of OpenBSD -CURRENT. It runs fine but could use a RAM upgrade and a new SSD. Pre-built package support for macppc isn't as extensive as on amd64; NetSurf is the best graphical web browser I've found in macppc packages, and I haven't dared try compiling from ports using only 256MB of RAM and the original 60GB HDD -- but at least I've got Emacs. -- Matthew Graybosch https://www.matthewgraybosch.com "Out of order? Even in the future nothing works."
Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages
On 09/05/2019 14:26, Henry Bonath wrote: > I'm not sure how many folks out there are PowerPC users What exactly do you mean by PowerPC? I am a user of Apple PowerBook G4, POWER8, and POWER9. I am new to OpenBSD and I intend to experiment with it on these architectures. Andrew -- OpenPGP key: EB28 0338 28B7 19DA DAB0 B193 D21D 996E 883B E5B9
Re: 6.5 PowerPC Packages
Hi Henry, it takes a while to build all the packages on PowerPC ... IIRC so it will take a while AFAIK Thanks On Thu, 9 May 2019 at 14:34, Henry Bonath wrote: > > I'm not sure how many folks out there are PowerPC users, but I was > just curious if anyone had an idea on if or when we might see those > out in the mirrors. > > I also suppose in the same vein, I could be learning how to pull the > ports tree and build what I need that way :-) > > Thanks! > -- Kindest regards, Tom Smyth.
