Re: APCI on old Thinkpad
Hi, Thomas Vetere wrote: Yep, Claudio is correct. I have an old 600e and this is an official statement from IBM support page long ago: *"The ThinkPad 600E is ACPI ready. ACPI is not installed, but the system hardware supports ACPI. While ACPI shows a great deal of promise for the future, numerous problems affect the operation of ACPI on ThinkPad and other notebook systems. Therefore, the system comes with Windows 98 running in APM mode."* So while it might correct, old ThinkPads - wonderful keyboards... wonderful chassis :) Never matched. However indeed - ACPI is a hit and miss... there were BIOS upgrades to install (you have to fiddle with floppies or old CD ISOs to install them... DOS and dark ages). which help a lot. I have tried on my 600 various linux, NetBSD and OpenBSD... some supported it, some not, disabling it by known bugs. Basic ACPI can work (sleep and such) other stuff is not useful anyway, processor fans were independent. Riccardo
Re: APCI on old Thinkpad
Am 03.07.23 22:45 schrieb Claudio Jeker: > Also keep in mind that laptops that old most often had bad or broken early > ACPI implementations and it was better to not enable ACPI on those. > Normally there was some BIOS knob to just use apm(4) which often worked > much better. Ah - very interesting. I will have a look...
Re: APCI on old Thinkpad
> Jul 3, 2023 14:47:57 Peter N. M. Hansteen : > > > I had to look this up, since I had forgotten that Thinkpads used to come > with model numbers not prefixed and/or postfixed with letters. > > I think one of several issues you will bump into is that the machine is > almost a quarter century old (released April 1999 if Wikipedia is to be > trusted), > and you may be one of fairly few people who have kept one around this long. indeed this device is very old ...and I am aware that it has many issues ;-) I did run OpenBSD on that thing for a very long time and I was always happy with it but that was starting maybe 5.x or something (I think there was a ghostbusters like CD Box). A while ago my small Netbook broke and I had to buy a new thinkpad . But this new one is so heavy that I desperately remebered my old slim and low weigth thinkpad 570. > > This means in practice that in all likelihood, recent versions of any > > now-useful > > software has been only lightly tested (if at all) on that vintage hardware. I thought about reading emails with mutt(1).
Re: APCI on old Thinkpad
Yep, Claudio is correct. I have an old 600e and this is an official statement from IBM support page long ago: *"The ThinkPad 600E is ACPI ready. ACPI is not installed, but the system hardware supports ACPI. While ACPI shows a great deal of promise for the future, numerous problems affect the operation of ACPI on ThinkPad and other notebook systems. Therefore, the system comes with Windows 98 running in APM mode."* So while it might 'support' ACPI theoretically, it probably wont work very well ;) Il Lun 3 Lug 2023, 4:47 PM Claudio Jeker ha scritto: > Also keep in mind that laptops that old most often had bad or broken early > ACPI implementations and it was better to not enable ACPI on those. > Normally there was some BIOS knob to just use apm(4) which often worked > much better. > > On Mon, Jul 03, 2023 at 08:58:45PM +0200, Daniele B. wrote: > > Thanks Peter, point got. > > > > I also go ahead with very old hardware, kind of 10 years old minipc/pc > (including a Mac Pro).. and > > we are in so good habits with our OpenBSD os that we tend to think no > problem will never arise. > > Saddly enough we maybe forget what is really feasible.. > > > > > > -- Daniele Bonini > > > > > > Jul 3, 2023 14:47:57 Peter N. M. Hansteen : > > > > > On Mon, Jul 03, 2023 at 01:36:10PM +0200, Michael Hekeler wrote: > > >> oh dear I have forgotten the model number - Sorry! > > >> > > >> It is Thinkpad 570 > > > > > > I had to look this up, since I had forgotten that Thinkpads used to > come > > > with model numbers not prefixed and/or postfixed with letters. > > > > > > I think one of several issues you will bump into is that the machine is > > > almost a quarter century old (released April 1999 if Wikipedia is to > be trusted), > > > and you may be one of fairly few people who have kept one around this > long. > > > > > > This means in practice that in all likelihood, recent versions of any > now-useful > > > software has been only lightly tested (if at all) on that vintage > hardware. > > > > > > If you can get someone with the right skillset interested (as in, not > me, by > > > any measure) it is conceivable that a fix is within reach. That said, > however, > > > I suspect that improving support for more current hardware would tend > to > > > take priority when developers decide what to spend their time on. > > > > > > All the best, > > > Peter > > > > > > -- > > > Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team > > > https://bsdly.blogspot.com/ https://www.bsdly.net/ > https://www.nuug.no/ > > > "Remember to set the evil bit on all malicious network traffic" > > > delilah spamd[29949]: 85.152.224.147: disconnected after 42673 > seconds. > > > > -- > :wq Claudio > >
Re: APCI on old Thinkpad
Also keep in mind that laptops that old most often had bad or broken early ACPI implementations and it was better to not enable ACPI on those. Normally there was some BIOS knob to just use apm(4) which often worked much better. On Mon, Jul 03, 2023 at 08:58:45PM +0200, Daniele B. wrote: > Thanks Peter, point got. > > I also go ahead with very old hardware, kind of 10 years old minipc/pc > (including a Mac Pro).. and > we are in so good habits with our OpenBSD os that we tend to think no problem > will never arise. > Saddly enough we maybe forget what is really feasible.. > > > -- Daniele Bonini > > > Jul 3, 2023 14:47:57 Peter N. M. Hansteen : > > > On Mon, Jul 03, 2023 at 01:36:10PM +0200, Michael Hekeler wrote: > >> oh dear I have forgotten the model number - Sorry! > >> > >> It is Thinkpad 570 > > > > I had to look this up, since I had forgotten that Thinkpads used to come > > with model numbers not prefixed and/or postfixed with letters. > > > > I think one of several issues you will bump into is that the machine is > > almost a quarter century old (released April 1999 if Wikipedia is to be > > trusted), > > and you may be one of fairly few people who have kept one around this long. > > > > This means in practice that in all likelihood, recent versions of any > > now-useful > > software has been only lightly tested (if at all) on that vintage hardware. > > > > If you can get someone with the right skillset interested (as in, not me, by > > any measure) it is conceivable that a fix is within reach. That said, > > however, > > I suspect that improving support for more current hardware would tend to > > take priority when developers decide what to spend their time on. > > > > All the best, > > Peter > > > > -- > > Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team > > https://bsdly.blogspot.com/ https://www.bsdly.net/ https://www.nuug.no/ > > "Remember to set the evil bit on all malicious network traffic" > > delilah spamd[29949]: 85.152.224.147: disconnected after 42673 seconds. > -- :wq Claudio
Re: APCI on old Thinkpad
Thanks Peter, point got. I also go ahead with very old hardware, kind of 10 years old minipc/pc (including a Mac Pro).. and we are in so good habits with our OpenBSD os that we tend to think no problem will never arise. Saddly enough we maybe forget what is really feasible.. -- Daniele Bonini Jul 3, 2023 14:47:57 Peter N. M. Hansteen : > On Mon, Jul 03, 2023 at 01:36:10PM +0200, Michael Hekeler wrote: >> oh dear I have forgotten the model number - Sorry! >> >> It is Thinkpad 570 > > I had to look this up, since I had forgotten that Thinkpads used to come > with model numbers not prefixed and/or postfixed with letters. > > I think one of several issues you will bump into is that the machine is > almost a quarter century old (released April 1999 if Wikipedia is to be > trusted), > and you may be one of fairly few people who have kept one around this long. > > This means in practice that in all likelihood, recent versions of any > now-useful > software has been only lightly tested (if at all) on that vintage hardware. > > If you can get someone with the right skillset interested (as in, not me, by > any measure) it is conceivable that a fix is within reach. That said, however, > I suspect that improving support for more current hardware would tend to > take priority when developers decide what to spend their time on. > > All the best, > Peter > > -- > Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team > https://bsdly.blogspot.com/ https://www.bsdly.net/ https://www.nuug.no/ > "Remember to set the evil bit on all malicious network traffic" > delilah spamd[29949]: 85.152.224.147: disconnected after 42673 seconds.
Re: APCI on old Thinkpad
On Mon, Jul 03, 2023 at 01:36:10PM +0200, Michael Hekeler wrote: > oh dear I have forgotten the model number - Sorry! > > It is Thinkpad 570 I had to look this up, since I had forgotten that Thinkpads used to come with model numbers not prefixed and/or postfixed with letters. I think one of several issues you will bump into is that the machine is almost a quarter century old (released April 1999 if Wikipedia is to be trusted), and you may be one of fairly few people who have kept one around this long. This means in practice that in all likelihood, recent versions of any now-useful software has been only lightly tested (if at all) on that vintage hardware. If you can get someone with the right skillset interested (as in, not me, by any measure) it is conceivable that a fix is within reach. That said, however, I suspect that improving support for more current hardware would tend to take priority when developers decide what to spend their time on. All the best, Peter -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team https://bsdly.blogspot.com/ https://www.bsdly.net/ https://www.nuug.no/ "Remember to set the evil bit on all malicious network traffic" delilah spamd[29949]: 85.152.224.147: disconnected after 42673 seconds.
Re: APCI on old Thinkpad
At my side Really Old sounds good like the Mac Pro.. ;) -- Daniele Bonini Jul 3, 2023 13:36:50 Michael Hekeler : > Am 03.07.23 03:45 schrieb Anders Andersson: >> On Fri, Jun 30, 2023 at 11:44 PM Michael Hekeler wrote: >>> >>> I have an old thinkpad - really old >> >> Old enough not to have a model number? > > oh dear I have forgotten the model number - Sorry! > > It is Thinkpad 570
Re: APCI on old Thinkpad
Am 03.07.23 03:45 schrieb Anders Andersson: > On Fri, Jun 30, 2023 at 11:44 PM Michael Hekeler wrote: > > > > I have an old thinkpad - really old > > Old enough not to have a model number? oh dear I have forgotten the model number - Sorry! It is Thinkpad 570
Re: APCI on old Thinkpad
On Fri, Jun 30, 2023 at 11:44 PM Michael Hekeler wrote: > > I have an old thinkpad - really old Old enough not to have a model number?
