Re: Real men don't attack straw men (Theo)

2007-12-14 Thread Rico Secada
  I see you are being your usual friendly self ;-}.
 
 Yes, and you are being the usual slimy hypocritical asshole.

I really fail to see, how a response like this serves OpenBSD or any
other good purpose at all!

If Richard Stallman is a hypocrite his answers and statements will show
this by themselves, and nobody needs to be told. By stating it like
this you only make yourself look stupid and childish, even if you are
right!

I used to respect you a lot Theo but that respect has been lost because
of this ugly behaviour. Ofcourse you don't care about that, but I really
think you are hurting BSD, and not just OpenBSD, by confirming what a
lot of people has said so many times - OpenBSD has an unfriendly
atmosphere.

 You are a slime who changes his position as he needs.
 
 You may have had value ten years ago, but people will see that you
 don't anymore.

Richard Stallman has done one thing right during all of this, and that
is to keep responding in a friendly way, explaining his views. One can
agree or not, but calling someone a slime, just because you don't
agree, or just because you think he is bad, really makes no sense what
so ever! It just make you look bad!



Re: Real men don't attack straw men (Theo)

2007-12-14 Thread Tony Abernethy
Rico Secada wrote:
 
 I used to respect you a lot Theo but that respect has been 
 lost because
 of this ugly behaviour. Ofcourse you don't care about that, 
 but I really
 think you are hurting BSD, and not just OpenBSD, by confirming what a
 lot of people has said so many times - OpenBSD has an unfriendly
 atmosphere.
 
Hmpf
I have always found OpenBSD to be actually quite friendly.
This is to someone who often top posts out of Microsoft Outlook.
Actually everybody seems to lean over backwards to be as friendly
and helpful as possible.

However, they do seem to have a low tolerance for blatant and persistent
stupidity.



Re: Real men don't attack straw men (Theo)

2007-12-14 Thread Theo de Raadt
   I see you are being your usual friendly self ;-}.
  
  Yes, and you are being the usual slimy hypocritical asshole.
 
 I really fail to see, how a response like this serves OpenBSD or any
 other good purpose at all!

It serves our purposes to make it clear to peoepl that Richard's mission
to make his approval seem valid... is false and hypocritical.

If you don't like that, go find something else to do.

 If Richard Stallman is a hypocrite his answers and statements will show
 this by themselves, and nobody needs to be told. By stating it like
 this you only make yourself look stupid and childish, even if you are
 right!

Richard spoke on a show, and Richard said false and uneducated things,
and then Richard came to our list.

It always helps if hypocrites show that they are hypocrites, but it
also helps to remind people so, over and over.

 I used to respect you a lot Theo but that respect has been lost because
 of this ugly behaviour.

And I'll shed a tear over that, Rico, whoever you are.

 Ofcourse you don't care about that, but I really
 think you are hurting BSD,

No.  I am not hurting BSD.  Richard is hurting BSD, by trying to act
as if his hypocritical approval amounts to anything.

 and not just OpenBSD, by confirming what a
 lot of people has said so many times - OpenBSD has an unfriendly
 atmosphere.

That is irrelevant.  And why would I care?

  You are a slime who changes his position as he needs.
  
  You may have had value ten years ago, but people will see that you
  don't anymore.
 
 Richard Stallman has done one thing right during all of this, and that
 is to keep 

 ... changing the rules, in any way that lets his project
get off the hook, while making others who he does not like look like
they are breaking the rules of what it 'takes to be a free project'.

That's his goal.  That's all he has done for 10 years.  He's written
no code.  He has just pontificated and attacked people who actually
write code.  He sits on the largest pile of money donated for free
software, and he squanders it wastefully.

EVERYTHING code related that people thinks comes from the FSF today,
comes to us without Richard Stallman actually working on it.  Richard
is just another random long haired hypocritical mouthpiece, who will
be known after his death as the original author of the C compiler
which is used by more of the closed-source embedded industry than any
other C compiler.



Re: Real men don't attack straw men (Theo)

2007-12-14 Thread Jason Dixon

On Dec 14, 2007, at 9:54 PM, Tony Abernethy wrote:


Rico Secada wrote:


I used to respect you a lot Theo but that respect has been
lost because
of this ugly behaviour. Ofcourse you don't care about that,
but I really
think you are hurting BSD, and not just OpenBSD, by confirming what a
lot of people has said so many times - OpenBSD has an unfriendly
atmosphere.


Hmpf
I have always found OpenBSD to be actually quite friendly.
This is to someone who often top posts out of Microsoft Outlook.
Actually everybody seems to lean over backwards to be as friendly
and helpful as possible.

However, they do seem to have a low tolerance for blatant and  
persistent

stupidity.


Or outright lies and hypocrisy.

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Jason Dixon
DixonGroup Consulting
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