Re: teTeX
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Predrag Punosevac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One could also argue that much finer TeXLive port could have been done as certain parts of TeXLive experience rapid development. I think that would be making work for the sake of it. TeXLive release once a year, so thats when I will make ports. One could commit thier entire life to maintaining TeXLive in a granular fashion, but I don't have time or motivation to do so. TeXLive is not easy to manage. It took me the best part of half a year to understand the various mechanisms (maps, formats, pools etc.) and patch away parts of the builld system that prevented DESTDIR to be used properly. I have a ruby script which I use to split down the texmf tree into subsets which I have re-written from scratch this year because the internal tex database format changed from XML to text (which is a good thing). I will be breaking texlive down slightly more this year in an attempt to remove the ruby/imagemagick deps for non-conTeXt users, and the structure of the port may change from SUBDIR, to something else. I hope this gives you an insight. -- Best Regards Edd http://students.dec.bournemouth.ac.uk/ebarrett
Re: teTeX
Olivier Mehani wrote: On Fri, May 09, 2008 at 10:23:46AM +0200, Paul de Weerd wrote: I've been trying to find TeX for 4.3 but can not find it in ports. teTeX is obsolete and unmaintained for more than three years. TeXLive is the next standard TeX distribution for Unix and Unix like operating systems. Thanks to Edd Barret OpenBSD is the first from the family of BSDs to have it as the default TeX distribution. It includes LateX, Pdflatex, Context, and every macro package ever written for TeX. Edd Barrett has done a lot of work on porting TeXLive, the actively maintained TeX distribution. This ought to provide you with what you're looking for. Are you aware of any no_x11 version? I am not sure I understand your last question. How can you do typesetting without displaying graphics? TeXLive does not require X for processing but in order to see your document you need to use xdvi, ghostview or something along those lines. Obviously, I am not suggesting that you install X on a DNS server in order to do typesetting. What I am suggesting is that I would expect that you use a desktop machine running X for typesetting. Best, Predrag
Re: teTeX
On Fri, May 09, 2008 at 02:24:56AM -0700, Predrag Punosevac wrote: I am not sure I understand your last question. How can you do typesetting without displaying graphics? TeXLive does not require X for processing but in order to see your document you need to use xdvi, ghostview or something along those lines. Obviously, I am not suggesting that you install X on a DNS server in order to do typesetting. What I am suggesting is that I would expect that you use a desktop machine running X for typesetting. How about using TeX on your webserver to dynamically generate pdf's ? Granted, many webserver add-ons require X to be installed (gd, anyone ? ;) but that doesn't mean that there's no valid reason to use TeX on a webserver. Cheers, Paul 'WEiRD' de Weerd -- [++-]+++.+++[---].+++[+ +++-].++[-]+.--.[-] http://www.weirdnet.nl/
Re: teTeX
Hi, On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Paul de Weerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, May 09, 2008 at 02:24:56AM -0700, Predrag Punosevac wrote: I am not sure I understand your last question. How can you do typesetting without displaying graphics? TeXLive does not require X for processing but in order to see your document you need to use xdvi, ghostview or something along those lines. Obviously, I am not suggesting that you install X on a DNS server in order to do typesetting. What I am suggesting is that I would expect that you use a desktop machine running X for typesetting. How about using TeX on your webserver to dynamically generate pdf's ? Sorry, The X libraries are required in order to generate PDF's even if there is no GUI. -- Best Regards Edd http://students.dec.bournemouth.ac.uk/ebarrett
Re: teTeX
On Fri, May 09, 2008 at 02:24:56AM -0700, Predrag Punosevac wrote: Olivier Mehani wrote: On Fri, May 09, 2008 at 10:23:46AM +0200, Paul de Weerd wrote: Are you aware of any no_x11 version? I am not sure I understand your last question. How can you do typesetting without displaying graphics? TeXLive does not require X for processing but in order to see your document you need to use xdvi, ghostview or something along those lines. Obviously, I am not suggesting that you install X on a DNS server in order to do typesetting. What I am suggesting is that I would expect that you use a desktop machine running X for typesetting. I use LaTex to write letters. I can write a letter from my text-only VT520, latex it, dvips it, then print the ps all without displaying it. Or, I need to send a formatted document to a non unix user and the best common display format is pdf. So, I make a pdf of my document and email it to them. Also no need for displaying or X. Are there other ports that require X11 for internal use even if you don't need to display? If so, perhaps the xbase install set should be split into xlibs and xbase so that less needs to be installed on a non-display box for these ports to work. Doug.
Re: teTeX
2008/5/9 Edd Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The X libraries are required in order to generate PDF's even if there is no GUI. This is only true for xetex; pdftex doesn't need X. And xetex doesn't need a running X server. :-) Best Martin
Re: teTeX
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 2:10 PM, Douglas A. Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or, I need to send a formatted document to a non unix user and the best common display format is pdf. So, I make a pdf of my document and email it to them. Also no need for displaying or X. Are there other ports that require X11 for internal use even if you don't need to display? If so, perhaps the xbase install set should be split into xlibs and xbase so that less needs to be installed on a non-display box for these ports to work. xetex (part of texlive) requires freetype. Leave things as they are. Do you have such a small hard disk that you cant fit X on? TeXLive is massive anyway, so the chances are you have a large disk anyway. I have no plans to make a no_x11 port. Sorry. -- Best Regards Edd http://students.dec.bournemouth.ac.uk/ebarrett
Re: teTeX
On 2008-05-09, Douglas A. Tutty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are there other ports that require X11 for internal use even if you don't need to display? Yes, it's pretty common for ports that allow user-defined fonts (e.g. GD, RRD) to pull in fontconfig from xbase. If so, perhaps the xbase install set should be split into xlibs and xbase so that less needs to be installed on a non-display box for these ports to work. libs is the bigger part of it... it looks like the most you'll save is 10MB or so, and people who this is a problem for are pretty likely to already be trimming their installation sets.
Re: teTeX
Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Fri, May 09, 2008 at 02:24:56AM -0700, Predrag Punosevac wrote: Olivier Mehani wrote: On Fri, May 09, 2008 at 10:23:46AM +0200, Paul de Weerd wrote: Are you aware of any no_x11 version? I am not sure I understand your last question. How can you do typesetting without displaying graphics? TeXLive does not require X for processing but in order to see your document you need to use xdvi, ghostview or something along those lines. Obviously, I am not suggesting that you install X on a DNS server in order to do typesetting. What I am suggesting is that I would expect that you use a desktop machine running X for typesetting. I use LaTex to write letters. I can write a letter from my text-only VT520, latex it, dvips it, then print the ps all without displaying it. Or, I need to send a formatted document to a non unix user and the best common display format is pdf. So, I make a pdf of my document and email it to them. Also no need for displaying or X. Are there other ports that require X11 for internal use even if you don't need to display? If so, perhaps the xbase install set should be split into xlibs and xbase so that less needs to be installed on a non-display box for these ports to work. Doug. I think you got the answer from Edd. You do not need X running to process the text but you need xlibs to compile the port. There is nothing dangerous in installing whole X on a server as long as you do not run it. If people are concern about the size of Xbase the bad news is that TeXLive is almost 1G. The good news is that the Troff is and various macros are included in the base of the system. Troff is very, very usable and lightening fast (you as a developer probably know Troff better than me). Now obvious question that somebody should answer is does the troff require Xbase as well. The other thing, if I remember one of the threads, is that Troff has not been updated for a long time. It would be nice if somebody could update it. Edd stated how he feels about creating no_X11 flavor. If I may add something to it. One could also argue that much finer TeXLive port could have been done as certain parts of TeXLive experience rapid development. TeXLive was HUGE job to port so the one who things that finer port is needed is welcome to create it. Due to the OpenBSD release cycle (6 months) and the fact that packages are essentially unchanged during that period the benefit of the finer port on OpenBSD would be limited. For a moving target like FreeBSD that certainly would make sense. Lastly, I like your idea about splitting xbase VERY, VERY much. Best, Predrag
