Re: Recommend T1 Card for 4.6
Hi all, Thanks for the input regarding T1 cards. I've was able to find some Sangoma 101c cards for sale on Ebay. It's up and running in a Soekris 5501. Regards, Brandan -Original Message- From: owner-m...@openbsd.org [mailto:owner-m...@openbsd.org] On Behalf Of Toni Mueller Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 9:52 AM To: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Recommend T1 Card for 4.6 Hi, On Wed, 06.01.2010 at 14:45:42 -0800, Noah Pugsley noa...@bendtel.com wrote: A little off topic but why trying to get rid of the Cisco? Other than the power/size/noise or to simplify your setup, less links in the chain, etc.. I use OpenBSD for everything I can, and some things I shouldn't but an ebay 2600 + WIC is dirt cheap getting a Cisco that can run a few full tables is always *expensive* - a 2600 doesn't cut it there, and getting something better is really not justified at T1 (or E1) speed. Plus, you can't get spare parts readily, have to rely on Cisco getting patches out, etc.pp., and a Soekris + art(4) card as a CPE device is still smaller and much less power-consuming than a Cisco. -- Kind regards, --Toni++
Re: Recommend T1 Card for 4.6
Hi, On Wed, 06.01.2010 at 22:19:55 +0100, David Coppa dco...@gmail.com wrote: man 4 art these cards are almost great, but I don't know where to purchase any. Otherwise, I'd get two or three more myself. My only current problem with these cards is that they don't support in-depth line diagnostics as do Cisco's Serial interfaces. -- Kind regards, --Toni++
Re: Recommend T1 Card for 4.6
Hi, On Wed, 06.01.2010 at 14:45:42 -0800, Noah Pugsley noa...@bendtel.com wrote: A little off topic but why trying to get rid of the Cisco? Other than the power/size/noise or to simplify your setup, less links in the chain, etc.. I use OpenBSD for everything I can, and some things I shouldn't but an ebay 2600 + WIC is dirt cheap getting a Cisco that can run a few full tables is always *expensive* - a 2600 doesn't cut it there, and getting something better is really not justified at T1 (or E1) speed. Plus, you can't get spare parts readily, have to rely on Cisco getting patches out, etc.pp., and a Soekris + art(4) card as a CPE device is still smaller and much less power-consuming than a Cisco. -- Kind regards, --Toni++
Re: Recommend T1 Card for 4.6
In article A18242D9DC2B7747A0EB61F1D2A0349401A13332 @EXCHANGE2K3.city.thornton.local, brandan.row...@cityofthornton.net says... Hi, I'm looking for a reliable T1 card to use with 4.6. There's a lot of stuff out there indicating Sangoma, but It is not longer supported. We're trying to replace a Cisco router with openBSD. The card needs to be supported and reliable as this is on a production network. Anyone have a recommendation? Thanks ,Brandan I still have an lmc(4) T1/DS1 PCI card sitting in a static bag, but LanMediaCorp was acquired by SBE Inc, which in turn sold off their hardware business to One Stop Systems Inc. OneStop's OSS-PCI-1T1E1LP (http://www.onestopsystems.com/communication_wan_a.php) appears to be the same design, slightly smaller to fit on a low-profile card. (The original LMC cards were regular-height PCI cards IIRC.) OneStop appears to still make this card, a 4-port PCI sibling, and a 4- port PMC sibling. They explicitly state that open source drivers are included, although they list Linux, NetBSD and FreeBSD. At the time, I was one of only I think 3 people worldwide using this card in OpenBSD, but I can tell you that Chris Cappuchio's driver was rock-solid (once you got it working at all - T1 configuration isn't quite plug-and-play). I'd be willing to bet that the new (single-port) cards still work with the lmc(4) driver, or that the driver would require minimal tweaking to function... the driver hasn't changed much in 4 years, and I doubt the card has either. I do note, however, that it appears the lmc(4) driver was re-merged from NetBSD back in 2005, whereas I was using ch...@dqc's original port from 1999. In fact, revs 1.3 and 1.4 in Feb 2000 were AFAIK due to my bug reports :-) The November 2005 CVS commit log entry of also attach on LMC cPCI HSSI cards for if_lmc_obsd.c v1.18 would lead me to believe that the newer PMC cards would also be supported, since LMC never made any of those - it was an SBEI product by then. Anyway, I can sell/rent/lend the card I have (an LMC1200, I think) to anyone who wants to test it out. (Er, assuming I can find it, anyway.) Alternately, there are several ways to get a V.35 serial signal from an OpenBSD box to an external T1 CSU/DSU. See www.blackbox.com for plain old rs232-to-v.35 converters, among more intelligent equipment. -Adam Thompson athom...@athompso.net
Re: Recommend T1 Card for 4.6
Is there anyone using a T1 card for data on 4.6? Perhaps a T1 to Ethernet converter? I'm interested to find out how others have resolved this and what hardware was used. We're using a Soekris 5501. Brandan -Original Message- From: owner-m...@openbsd.org [mailto:owner-m...@openbsd.org] On Behalf Of Brandan Rowley Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 3:04 PM To: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Recommend T1 Card for 4.6 Hi, I'm looking for a reliable T1 card to use with 4.6. There's a lot of stuff out there indicating Sangoma, but It is not longer supported. We're trying to replace a Cisco router with openBSD. The card needs to be supported and reliable as this is on a production network. Anyone have a recommendation? Thanks ,Brandan
Re: Recommend T1 Card for 4.6
On Wed, Jan 06, 2010 at 01:01:26PM -0700, Brandan Rowley wrote: Is there anyone using a T1 card for data on 4.6? Perhaps a T1 to Ethernet converter? I'm interested to find out how others have resolved this and what hardware was used. We're using a Soekris 5501. I am (still) using Sangoma cards. They work fine but a warm boot instead of a cold boot sometimes causes a DDB. I have not tried any other solutions on OpenBSD. I do know there was another card that I believe an OpenBSD developer was helping make but I don't know that there was ever a product you could purchase. l8rZ, -- andrew - ICQ# 253198 - Jabber: and...@rraz.net BOFH excuse of the day: Melting hard drives
Re: Recommend T1 Card for 4.6
On Wednesday 06 January 2010, Brandan Rowley wrote: Is there anyone using a T1 card for data on 4.6? Perhaps a T1 to Ethernet converter? I'm interested to find out how others have resolved this and what hardware was used. We're using a Soekris 5501. Never tried it. Sangoma is the best quality and support option available. I've installed in hundreds of Linux server. Though I've never tried it under OBSD. -- Steve Szmidt They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin
Re: Recommend T1 Card for 4.6
man 4 art cheers, david On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Brandan Rowley brandan.row...@cityofthornton.net wrote: Hi, I'm looking for a reliable T1 card to use with 4.6. There's a lot of stuff out there indicating Sangoma, but It is not longer supported. We're trying to replace a Cisco router with openBSD. The card needs to be supported and reliable as this is on a production network.
Re: Recommend T1 Card for 4.6
Thanks Andrew, Steve and David for your replies. I did check the man pages for WAN devices and did a little research. Here's what I found: *Accoom Networks Artery T1/E1 WAN interfaces (art) (G) *SBE (formerly Lan Media Corporation) SSI (T1)/HSSI/DS1/DS3 WAN interfaces (lmc) (G) *Sangoma Technologies AFT T1/E1 WAN interfaces (san) (G) Accoom.net web page hasn't been updated since 2005 and the purchase site only has a picture of asparagus on it. Can't find a company website for SBE. Is it possibly One Stop Systems now? Sangoma has a ton of links and info, but Sangoma has not supported OpenBSD since 2007 as per the man page. I did purchase a Sangoma A101 which is not recognized by 4.6 and the drivers won't install without error. The Sangoma installation instructions on the internet are for OpenBSD3.6 which seems pretty dated. Steve, How did you get your Sangoma card to work? Is it an A101u? I believe the one I purchased was an A101c which Sangoma said replaced the A101u. Regards, Brandan -Original Message- From: owner-m...@openbsd.org [mailto:owner-m...@openbsd.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Fresh Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 1:44 PM To: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Recommend T1 Card for 4.6 On Wed, Jan 06, 2010 at 01:01:26PM -0700, Brandan Rowley wrote: Is there anyone using a T1 card for data on 4.6? Perhaps a T1 to Ethernet converter? I'm interested to find out how others have resolved this and what hardware was used. We're using a Soekris 5501. I am (still) using Sangoma cards. They work fine but a warm boot instead of a cold boot sometimes causes a DDB. I have not tried any other solutions on OpenBSD. I do know there was another card that I believe an OpenBSD developer was helping make but I don't know that there was ever a product you could purchase. l8rZ, -- andrew - ICQ# 253198 - Jabber: and...@rraz.net BOFH excuse of the day: Melting hard drives
Re: Recommend T1 Card for 4.6
Cost. The Cisco gear is pretty old and due for replacement. The new Cisco hardware and maintenance contracts are pretty pricey. We can do the same job with OpenBSD and have spare hardware for a lot less. There are 4 routers that need replacing, three of which we've replaced with OpenBSD, but only in lab testing. They are not live yet. We've only the 1 router left with the T1 left to get functional. -Original Message- From: Noah Pugsley [mailto:noa...@bendtel.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 3:46 PM To: Brandan Rowley Cc: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Recommend T1 Card for 4.6 A little off topic but why trying to get rid of the Cisco? Other than the power/size/noise or to simplify your setup, less links in the chain, etc.. I use OpenBSD for everything I can, and some things I shouldn't but an ebay 2600 + WIC is dirt cheap Cheers, noah Brandan Rowley wrote: Thanks Andrew, Steve and David for your replies. I did check the man pages for WAN devices and did a little research. Here's what I found: *Accoom Networks Artery T1/E1 WAN interfaces (art) (G) *SBE (formerly Lan Media Corporation) SSI (T1)/HSSI/DS1/DS3 WAN interfaces (lmc) (G) *Sangoma Technologies AFT T1/E1 WAN interfaces (san) (G) Accoom.net web page hasn't been updated since 2005 and the purchase site only has a picture of asparagus on it. Can't find a company website for SBE. Is it possibly One Stop Systems now? Sangoma has a ton of links and info, but Sangoma has not supported OpenBSD since 2007 as per the man page. I did purchase a Sangoma A101 which is not recognized by 4.6 and the drivers won't install without error. The Sangoma installation instructions on the internet are for OpenBSD3.6 which seems pretty dated. Steve, How did you get your Sangoma card to work? Is it an A101u? I believe the one I purchased was an A101c which Sangoma said replaced the A101u. Regards, Brandan -Original Message- From: owner-m...@openbsd.org [mailto:owner-m...@openbsd.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Fresh Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 1:44 PM To: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Recommend T1 Card for 4.6 On Wed, Jan 06, 2010 at 01:01:26PM -0700, Brandan Rowley wrote: Is there anyone using a T1 card for data on 4.6? Perhaps a T1 to Ethernet converter? I'm interested to find out how others have resolved this and what hardware was used. We're using a Soekris 5501. I am (still) using Sangoma cards. They work fine but a warm boot instead of a cold boot sometimes causes a DDB. I have not tried any other solutions on OpenBSD. I do know there was another card that I believe an OpenBSD developer was helping make but I don't know that there was ever a product you could purchase. l8rZ, -- andrew - ICQ# 253198 - Jabber: and...@rraz.net BOFH excuse of the day: Melting hard drives
Re: Recommend T1 Card for 4.6
A little off topic but why trying to get rid of the Cisco? Other than the power/size/noise or to simplify your setup, less links in the chain, etc.. I use OpenBSD for everything I can, and some things I shouldn't but an ebay 2600 + WIC is dirt cheap Cheers, noah Brandan Rowley wrote: Thanks Andrew, Steve and David for your replies. I did check the man pages for WAN devices and did a little research. Here's what I found: *Accoom Networks Artery T1/E1 WAN interfaces (art) (G) *SBE (formerly Lan Media Corporation) SSI (T1)/HSSI/DS1/DS3 WAN interfaces (lmc) (G) *Sangoma Technologies AFT T1/E1 WAN interfaces (san) (G) Accoom.net web page hasn't been updated since 2005 and the purchase site only has a picture of asparagus on it. Can't find a company website for SBE. Is it possibly One Stop Systems now? Sangoma has a ton of links and info, but Sangoma has not supported OpenBSD since 2007 as per the man page. I did purchase a Sangoma A101 which is not recognized by 4.6 and the drivers won't install without error. The Sangoma installation instructions on the internet are for OpenBSD3.6 which seems pretty dated. Steve, How did you get your Sangoma card to work? Is it an A101u? I believe the one I purchased was an A101c which Sangoma said replaced the A101u. Regards, Brandan -Original Message- From: owner-m...@openbsd.org [mailto:owner-m...@openbsd.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Fresh Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 1:44 PM To: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Recommend T1 Card for 4.6 On Wed, Jan 06, 2010 at 01:01:26PM -0700, Brandan Rowley wrote: Is there anyone using a T1 card for data on 4.6? Perhaps a T1 to Ethernet converter? I'm interested to find out how others have resolved this and what hardware was used. We're using a Soekris 5501. I am (still) using Sangoma cards. They work fine but a warm boot instead of a cold boot sometimes causes a DDB. I have not tried any other solutions on OpenBSD. I do know there was another card that I believe an OpenBSD developer was helping make but I don't know that there was ever a product you could purchase. l8rZ, -- andrew - ICQ# 253198 - Jabber: and...@rraz.net BOFH excuse of the day: Melting hard drives
Re: Recommend T1 Card for 4.6
On Wed, Jan 06, 2010 at 03:27:23PM -0700, Brandan Rowley wrote: Thanks Andrew, Steve and David for your replies. You're welcome. I did check the man pages for WAN devices and did a little research. Here's what I found: *Accoom Networks Artery T1/E1 WAN interfaces (art) (G) This is the one I heard about. Supposedly good stuff, but were announced a month after I got my san cards so I didn't get to try to buy any. *SBE (formerly Lan Media Corporation) SSI (T1)/HSSI/DS1/DS3 WAN interfaces (lmc) (G) Haven't heard anything memorable about or tried. *Sangoma Technologies AFT T1/E1 WAN interfaces (san) (G) This (A102u) I have working on 4.6 $ dmesg | grep -e OpenBSD -e san OpenBSD 4.6-stable (GENERIC.MP) #7: Tue Nov 24 10:26:10 MST 2009 san0 at pci0 dev 4 function 0 Sangoma A10x rev 0x01 apic 3 int 1 (irq 11) san1 at pci0 dev 8 function 0 Sangoma A10x rev 0x01 apic 3 int 6 (irq 10) $ ifconfig | grep ^san san0: flags=8051UP,POINTOPOINT,RUNNING,MULTICAST mtu 1500 san1: flags=8051UP,POINTOPOINT,RUNNING,MULTICAST mtu 1500 san2: flags=8051UP,POINTOPOINT,RUNNING,MULTICAST mtu 1500 san3: flags=8051UP,POINTOPOINT,RUNNING,MULTICAST mtu 1500 SNIP Sangoma has a ton of links and info, but Sangoma has not supported OpenBSD since 2007 as per the man page. I did purchase a Sangoma A101 which is not recognized by 4.6 and the drivers won't install without error. The Sangoma installation instructions on the internet are for OpenBSD3.6 which seems pretty dated. Steve, How did you get your Sangoma card to work? Is it an A101u? I believe the one I purchased was an A101c which Sangoma said replaced the A101u. I have several of the A102u, but if I remove the daughter board it is magically an A101u, tho I have not tried that on 4.6, but did (successfully) in earlier versions. I have several messages in the archives and on gnats from when I was getting them going, but when I upgraded to 4.6 they just worked same as they have since I installed them. They actually seem to DDB less and less as I upgrade to newer versions of OpenBSD. Not that they would ever DDB often, generally only if I reboot instead of halt and powercycle or if something goes on with an ATT line and they run their automated tests. One of their tests used to cause it, and may still, but I haven't had reason to find out. l8rZ, -- andrew - ICQ# 253198 - Jabber: and...@rraz.net BOFH excuse of the day: Incorrectly configured static routes on the corerouters.
Recommend T1 Card for 4.6
Hi, I'm looking for a reliable T1 card to use with 4.6. There's a lot of stuff out there indicating Sangoma, but It is not longer supported. We're trying to replace a Cisco router with openBSD. The card needs to be supported and reliable as this is on a production network. Anyone have a recommendation? Thanks ,Brandan
