Removing chmod world write support and sftp

2007-04-11 Thread Joshua Gimer
We have several production web servers and I am trying to figure out a way
to removing world write support from chmod. I have already written a wrapper
for the chmod command, but it does not seem to work within sftp; has anyone
encountered anything that could help in implementing this, or have any
suggestions.

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Thx
Joshua Gimer



Re: Removing chmod world write support and sftp

2007-04-11 Thread Nick !

On 4/11/07, Joshua Gimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

We have several production web servers and I am trying to figure out a way
to removing world write support from chmod. I have already written a wrapper
for the chmod command, but it does not seem to work within sftp; has anyone
encountered anything that could help in implementing this, or have any
suggestions


You mean, make it so that
chmod o+w
doesn't work?

Intuition from hanging around misc@ long enough tells me that there is
a good reason to keep this support, and that you're trying to solve
the wrong problem. But if you really want this you should edit chmod's
source code directly; it's simpler, and any wrapper would have to have
access to the original, and any user would have to have access to the
wrapper, and so because of the way unix permissions work any user
would still have access to chmod (I think, right?); you're not really
planning on security by obscurity are you?

-Nick



Re: Removing chmod world write support and sftp

2007-04-11 Thread Nick !

On 4/11/07, Joshua Gimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On 4/11/07, Nick ! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  you're not really
  planning on security by obscurity are you?


The wrapper will work because the users that are doing this are doing it out
of ignorance and not with malicious intentions.


This is a dangerous assumption.


If the only thing that can
be done is to change the sftp code,


Not the sftp code, the chmod code. It should be a one or two line change.

-Nick



Re: Removing chmod world write support and sftp

2007-04-11 Thread Joshua Gimer
On 4/11/07, Nick ! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  you're not really
  planning on security by obscurity are you?


The wrapper will work because the users that are doing this are doing it out
of ignorance and not with malicious intentions. If the only thing that can
be done is to change the sftp code, then I think that I will just write a
script that will go through and remove o+w from directories every hour or
so. There are going to only be about 50 users accessing this system and I do
not think that putting forth the effort is worth it, especially when I still
have 11 other systems to setup and configure by May 13th. :)

-- 
Thx
Joshua Gimer



Re: Removing chmod world write support and sftp

2007-04-11 Thread System Administrator
On 11 Apr 2007 at 16:33, Joshua Gimer wrote:

 On 4/11/07, Nick ! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   you're not really
   planning on security by obscurity are you?
 
 
 The wrapper will work because the users that are doing this are doing it
 out of ignorance and not with malicious intentions. If the only thing
 that can be done is to change the sftp code, then I think that I will
 just write a script that will go through and remove o+w from directories
 every hour or so. There are going to only be about 50 users accessing

You'll be amazed how much warez and porn can get uploaded in less than 
an hour ...

 this system and I do not think that putting forth the effort is worth
 it, especially when I still have 11 other systems to setup and configure
 by May 13th. :)
 
 -- 
 Thx
 Joshua Gimer
 
 

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