Re: TouchPad, right clicking, and cwm
On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 11:09:00PM +0200, Ulf Brosziewski wrote: They are using them. Which problems do you expect? The "ClickFinger" mechanism is the only feature of synaptics(4) that doesn't work properly because MT data are missing. Users that prefer synaptics(4) to wsmouse(4) will turn the "ClickPad" option on, activate "soft-buttons" or tapping, and that's it. Okay, so it sounds like the recommended solution is to use either: a. synaptics(4) with ClickPad and soft-buttons or tapping, or b. use wsmouse(4) Did I understand that right? How do people produce right- or middle-clicks with a) and tapping? (for trackpads that have no defined soft-button areas) And to configure b), I assume that's just another set of xorg.conf configuration lines? or is there additional complexity I'm missing? As to the default driver in wsmouse(4), it doesn't require any manual configuration for clickpads, if you you are happy with soft-buttons (tapping can be enabled). That sounds good. But unlike some laptops, my clickpad doesn't have any defined soft-button areas. Maybe there is a way to define them?
Re: TouchPad, right clicking, and cwm
On 4/18/21 6:39 PM, tetrahe...@danwin1210.me wrote: > On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 08:56:59PM +0200, Ulf Brosziewski wrote: >> Unfortunately, that "trick" is no general solution because turning the >> "ClickPad" option off makes click-and-drag operations with two fingers >> impossible. If you don't use that "gesture", or perform it with one >> finger only, the setup might work for you. >> >> I think the issue won't be fixed, for various reasons: synaptics(4) is >> legacy, there is no active development. It cannot handle that setup >> coherently because a reasonable treatment of the "ClickFinger" method >> requires full multitouch data. Only a subset of our hardware drivers >> provide MT support, and even if these data are available, they aren't >> passed to userland drivers in OpenBSD. Only wsmouse(4) makes use of >> them, but it doesn't offer that "click method" for touchpads - hardly >> anyone has asked for it. > > I see. So how do people deal with newer generation touchpads that don't have > buttons? They are using them. Which problems do you expect? The "ClickFinger" mechanism is the only feature of synaptics(4) that doesn't work properly because MT data are missing. Users that prefer synaptics(4) to wsmouse(4) will turn the "ClickPad" option on, activate "soft-buttons" or tapping, and that's it. As to the default driver in wsmouse(4), it doesn't require any manual configuration for clickpads, if you you are happy with soft-buttons (tapping can be enabled). And more and more "newer generation touchpads" provide the full set of MT data to the driver because they conform to the Windows Precision Touchpad standard, which is supported by OpenBSD. Some older hardware drivers provide MT data as well. However, the standard features - soft-buttons, tapping, click-and-drag, two-finger scrolling - can work reliably without them, even on clickpads. Some more or less subtle aspects of their behaviour - like pointer control - will depend on the device firmware. Only some "newer" features, like "thumb detection", won't work.
Re: TouchPad, right clicking, and cwm
On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 08:56:59PM +0200, Ulf Brosziewski wrote: Unfortunately, that "trick" is no general solution because turning the "ClickPad" option off makes click-and-drag operations with two fingers impossible. If you don't use that "gesture", or perform it with one finger only, the setup might work for you. I think the issue won't be fixed, for various reasons: synaptics(4) is legacy, there is no active development. It cannot handle that setup coherently because a reasonable treatment of the "ClickFinger" method requires full multitouch data. Only a subset of our hardware drivers provide MT support, and even if these data are available, they aren't passed to userland drivers in OpenBSD. Only wsmouse(4) makes use of them, but it doesn't offer that "click method" for touchpads - hardly anyone has asked for it. I see. So how do people deal with newer generation touchpads that don't have buttons?
Re: TouchPad, right clicking, and cwm
On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 12:08:56AM +0200, Ulf Brosziewski wrote: Could you remove the "ClickPad" option from the configuration file and try two-finger clicks again? The combination of that option with the "ClickFinger" mechanism is broken, and you probably don't need it if you don't use "soft-button areas". Thanks! That did the trick. Three-finger clicks should work - if your hardware detects the number of fingers reliably. Unfortunately, it doesn't, and right-clicking is more important than middle-clicking, so now my file looks like: Section "InputClass" Identifier "touchpad" Driver "synaptics" MatchIsTouchpad "on" Option "VertEdgeScroll" "off" Option "VertTwoFingerScroll" "on" Option "ClickFinger2" "3" Option "ClickFinger3" "2" EndSection If it's not practical to fix the bug with the "ClickPad" option, I would suggest adding a note to the synaptics(4) manpage under "ClickPad support", perhaps something along the lines of: The use of the option ClickPad in combination with Option ClickFinger2 and/or ClickFinger3 is currently not fully supported and may lead to unexpected behaviour. In particular, enabling the Option ClickPad may cause ClickFinger functionality to stop working.
Re: TouchPad, right clicking, and cwm
Unfortunately, that "trick" is no general solution because turning the "ClickPad" option off makes click-and-drag operations with two fingers impossible. If you don't use that "gesture", or perform it with one finger only, the setup might work for you. I think the issue won't be fixed, for various reasons: synaptics(4) is legacy, there is no active development. It cannot handle that setup coherently because a reasonable treatment of the "ClickFinger" method requires full multitouch data. Only a subset of our hardware drivers provide MT support, and even if these data are available, they aren't passed to userland drivers in OpenBSD. Only wsmouse(4) makes use of them, but it doesn't offer that "click method" for touchpads - hardly anyone has asked for it. On 4/16/21 6:56 PM, tetrahe...@danwin1210.me wrote: > On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 12:08:56AM +0200, Ulf Brosziewski wrote: >> Could you remove the "ClickPad" option from the configuration file and >> try two-finger clicks again? >> >> The combination of that option with the "ClickFinger" mechanism is broken, >> and you probably don't need it if you don't use "soft-button areas". > > Thanks! That did the trick. > >> Three-finger clicks should work - if your hardware detects the number of >> fingers reliably. > > Unfortunately, it doesn't, and right-clicking is more important than > middle-clicking, so now my file looks like: > > Section "InputClass" > Identifier "touchpad" > Driver "synaptics" > MatchIsTouchpad "on" > Option "VertEdgeScroll" "off" > Option "VertTwoFingerScroll" "on" > Option "ClickFinger2" "3" > Option "ClickFinger3" "2" > EndSection > > If it's not practical to fix the bug with the "ClickPad" option, I would > suggest adding a note to the synaptics(4) manpage under "ClickPad support", > perhaps something along the lines of: > > The use of the option ClickPad in combination with Option ClickFinger2 and/or > ClickFinger3 is currently not fully supported and may lead to unexpected > behaviour. In particular, enabling the Option ClickPad may cause ClickFinger > functionality to stop working.
Re: TouchPad, right clicking, and cwm
There is probably a better way, but I use the following script run from my .xsession file. This works for almost everything except for Chrome. For Chrome the scrolling is still non-natural. Script XFixMouse.sh - #!/bin/sh #ID Button #- #1 Left click #2 Middle click #3 Right click #4 Wheel up #5 Wheel down #6 Wheel left #7 Wheel right #8 Thumb1 #9 Thumb2 #10 ExtBt7 #11 ExtBt8 DEV=`xinput --list | grep wsmouse0 | sed -r 's/.*id=([0-9]+).*/\1/'` if [ ! -z $DEV ]; then # swap right and left mouse buttons and change scrolling to "natural" xinput set-button-map $DEV 3 2 1 5 4 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 fi Regards
Re: TouchPad, right clicking, and cwm
Could you remove the "ClickPad" option from the configuration file and try two-finger clicks again? The combination of that option with the "ClickFinger" mechanism is broken, and you probably don't need it if you don't use "soft-button areas". Three-finger clicks should work - if your hardware detects the number of fingers reliably. On 4/14/21 11:42 PM, tetrahe...@danwin1210.me wrote: > Hi, > I'm trying to get my TouchPad/trackpad to right click. I put the following in > my /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/70-synaptics.conf: > > Section "InputClass" > Identifier "touchpad" > Driver "synaptics" > MatchIsTouchpad "on" > Option "ClickPad" "on" > Option "VertEdgeScroll" "off" > Option "VertTwoFingerScroll" "on" > Option "ClickFinger2" "2" > Option "ClickFinger3" "3" > EndSection > > However, this was not enough to get two- or three-finger clicking working. > > I'd even be satisfied with Ctrl-Click mapping to right-click. > > Has anyone got any ideas how to make either option work? >
TouchPad, right clicking, and cwm
Hi, I'm trying to get my TouchPad/trackpad to right click. I put the following in my /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/70-synaptics.conf: Section "InputClass" Identifier "touchpad" Driver "synaptics" MatchIsTouchpad "on" Option "ClickPad" "on" Option "VertEdgeScroll" "off" Option "VertTwoFingerScroll" "on" Option "ClickFinger2" "2" Option "ClickFinger3" "3" EndSection However, this was not enough to get two- or three-finger clicking working. I'd even be satisfied with Ctrl-Click mapping to right-click. Has anyone got any ideas how to make either option work?
