Re: bsd.rd doesn't boot on a Lenovo Thinkstation S10
On Tuesday 02 June 2009 19:14:12 Marco Peereboom wrote: > Are you guys still all excited about the stinkstation? I haven't tried putting a spare disk in the s10 someone has at work and put OpenBSD on it, but I can say that its built a LOT better than many of the netbooks I've seen. --STeve Andre'
Re: bsd.rd doesn't boot on a Lenovo Thinkstation S10
Are you guys still all excited about the stinkstation?
Re: bsd.rd doesn't boot on a Lenovo Thinkstation S10
On 2009-06-02, Graham Allan wrote: > On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 02:36:07PM -0400, Donald Allen wrote: >> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Jonathan Gray wrote: >> > On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 01:29:45PM -0400, Ted Unangst wrote: >> >> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 1:09 PM, wrote: >> >> > Why are you using the AMD installation with an Intel cpu? >> >> >> >> Probably because it's a better architecture. >> > >> > If such decisions could be made without taking into account >> > reality, surely sparc64 would be a better choice. >> > >> > But the S10 has an N270 Atom processor, so it is i386 only. >> >> That's not correct. See my previous message. You are confusing my >> machine (a Thinkstation S10 workstation) with a Lenovo netbook of the >> same name. > > Either way, I believe the Atom supports amd64 architecture as well as > i386. > Only some.
Re: bsd.rd doesn't boot on a Lenovo Thinkstation S10
On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 02:36:07PM -0400, Donald Allen wrote: > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Jonathan Gray wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 01:29:45PM -0400, Ted Unangst wrote: > >> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 1:09 PM, wrote: > >> > Why are you using the AMD installation with an Intel cpu? > >> > >> Probably because it's a better architecture. > > > > If such decisions could be made without taking into account > > reality, surely sparc64 would be a better choice. > > > > But the S10 has an N270 Atom processor, so it is i386 only. > > That's not correct. See my previous message. You are confusing my > machine (a Thinkstation S10 workstation) with a Lenovo netbook of the > same name. Either way, I believe the Atom supports amd64 architecture as well as i386. -- - Graham Allan School of Physics and Astronomy - University of Minnesota -
Re: bsd.rd doesn't boot on a Lenovo Thinkstation S10
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 1:09 PM, wrote: >> Attempting to boot my Thinkstation S10 with a cd made from >> amd64/install45.iso results in > >> uhci3: host system error >> uhci3: host controller process error >> uhci3: host controller halted > >> The machine has a quad-core Intel processor, 4 Gb memory, 2 146 Gb SAS >> drives on an LSI raid controller set up as a raid 0. It's plugged into >> a Raritan Switchman KVM. I had no trouble installing Linux and later >> FreeBSD on this machine. From what I've seen thus far of OpenBSD, I >> prefer it to anything else. But this is obviously a showstopper if I >> can't boot the install cd. Anyone have any ideas? > >> Thanks -- >> /Don Allen > > Why are you using the AMD installation with an Intel cpu? >From http://www.openbsd.org/amd64.html: "OpenBSD/amd64 runs on AMD's Athlon-64 family of processors in 64-bit mode. It also runs on processors made by other manufacturers which have cloned the AMD64 extensions. (Some Intel processors lack support for important PAE NX bit, which means those machines will run without any W^X support -- it is thus safer to run those machines in i386 mode)." This machine has the Intel Q6600 quad-core processor, which supports PAE NX. /Don Allen > -- > Ed Ahlsen-Girard > Ft. Walton Beach FL
Re: bsd.rd doesn't boot on a Lenovo Thinkstation S10
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Jonathan Gray wrote: > On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 01:29:45PM -0400, Ted Unangst wrote: >> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 1:09 PM, wrote: >> > Why are you using the AMD installation with an Intel cpu? >> >> Probably because it's a better architecture. > > If such decisions could be made without taking into account > reality, surely sparc64 would be a better choice. > > But the S10 has an N270 Atom processor, so it is i386 only. That's not correct. See my previous message. You are confusing my machine (a Thinkstation S10 workstation) with a Lenovo netbook of the same name. /Don > > http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=36331
Re: bsd.rd doesn't boot on a Lenovo Thinkstation S10
On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 02:00:02PM -0400, Ted Unangst wrote: > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Jonathan Gray wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 01:29:45PM -0400, Ted Unangst wrote: > >> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 1:09 PM, wrote: > >> > Why are you using the AMD installation with an Intel cpu? > >> > >> Probably because it's a better architecture. > > > > If such decisions could be made without taking into account > > reality, surely sparc64 would be a better choice. > > > > But the S10 has an N270 Atom processor, so it is i386 only. > > > > http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=36331 > > If it makes it far enough to display usb device attachment it can > definitely run 64-bit code, as evidenced by the fact that it is. So lenovo sell two different products called S10, ugh.
Re: bsd.rd doesn't boot on a Lenovo Thinkstation S10
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Jonathan Gray wrote: > On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 01:29:45PM -0400, Ted Unangst wrote: >> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 1:09 PM, wrote: >> > Why are you using the AMD installation with an Intel cpu? >> >> Probably because it's a better architecture. > > If such decisions could be made without taking into account > reality, surely sparc64 would be a better choice. > > But the S10 has an N270 Atom processor, so it is i386 only. > > http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=36331 If it makes it far enough to display usb device attachment it can definitely run 64-bit code, as evidenced by the fact that it is.
Re: bsd.rd doesn't boot on a Lenovo Thinkstation S10
On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 01:29:45PM -0400, Ted Unangst wrote: > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 1:09 PM, wrote: > > Why are you using the AMD installation with an Intel cpu? > > Probably because it's a better architecture. If such decisions could be made without taking into account reality, surely sparc64 would be a better choice. But the S10 has an N270 Atom processor, so it is i386 only. http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=36331
Re: bsd.rd doesn't boot on a Lenovo Thinkstation S10
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 1:09 PM, wrote: > Why are you using the AMD installation with an Intel cpu? Probably because it's a better architecture.
Re: bsd.rd doesn't boot on a Lenovo Thinkstation S10
> Attempting to boot my Thinkstation S10 with a cd made from > amd64/install45.iso results in > uhci3: host system error > uhci3: host controller process error > uhci3: host controller halted > The machine has a quad-core Intel processor, 4 Gb memory, 2 146 Gb SAS > drives on an LSI raid controller set up as a raid 0. It's plugged into > a Raritan Switchman KVM. I had no trouble installing Linux and later > FreeBSD on this machine. From what I've seen thus far of OpenBSD, I > prefer it to anything else. But this is obviously a showstopper if I > can't boot the install cd. Anyone have any ideas? > Thanks -- > /Don Allen Why are you using the AMD installation with an Intel cpu? -- Ed Ahlsen-Girard Ft. Walton Beach FL
Re: bsd.rd doesn't boot on a Lenovo Thinkstation S10
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 3:56 AM, David Vasek wrote: > On Sat, 30 May 2009, Donald Allen wrote: > >> Attempting to boot my Thinkstation S10 with a cd made from >> amd64/install45.iso results in >> >> uhci3: host system error >> uhci3: host controller process error >> uhci3: host controller halted >> >> The machine has a quad-core Intel processor, 4 Gb memory, 2 146 Gb SAS >> drives on an LSI raid controller set up as a raid 0. > > I also forgot one thing: RAID 0 is seldom a good idea. Two independent disks > or RAID 1 is much better one. RAID 0 is just a way to make a high risk even > higher and usually is not worth its benefits. I did think about this when I set the machine up. The issue is that I need the space -- a 146 Gb mirrored pair isn't big enough. If I set them up as separate disks, then if I lose one of them, I'm down anyway, and can't have a filesystem bigger than 146 Gb. So I chose raid 0, which gives me the flexibility of almost 300 Gb of space and maybe a little performance boost when the stars align. I back this system up often, to minimize my vulnerability. At some point, I may replace the drives with the 300 Gb 15k SAS drives that are now available and getting cheaper with 6 Gb/s SAS becoming available. If I do that, I'll arrange them as a mirrored pair. I've got X up, mouse works, backup SATA drive in USB shoebox works, so it looks like I'm ok. The system takes forever to boot, but I can probably fix that with config and ukc (nice feature!). Thanks again for your help. /Don > > Regards, > David
Re: bsd.rd doesn't boot on a Lenovo Thinkstation S10
On Sat, 30 May 2009, Donald Allen wrote: Attempting to boot my Thinkstation S10 with a cd made from amd64/install45.iso results in uhci3: host system error uhci3: host controller process error uhci3: host controller halted The machine has a quad-core Intel processor, 4 Gb memory, 2 146 Gb SAS drives on an LSI raid controller set up as a raid 0. I also forgot one thing: RAID 0 is seldom a good idea. Two independent disks or RAID 1 is much better one. RAID 0 is just a way to make a high risk even higher and usually is not worth its benefits. Regards, David
Re: bsd.rd doesn't boot on a Lenovo Thinkstation S10
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 4:02 PM, David Vasek wrote: > On Sat, 30 May 2009, Donald Allen wrote: > >> Attempting to boot my Thinkstation S10 with a cd made from >> amd64/install45.iso results in >> >> uhci3: host system error >> uhci3: host controller process error >> uhci3: host controller halted >> >> The machine has a quad-core Intel processor, 4 Gb memory, 2 146 Gb SAS >> drives on an LSI raid controller set up as a raid 0. It's plugged into >> a Raritan Switchman KVM. I had no trouble installing Linux and later >> FreeBSD on this machine. From what I've seen thus far of OpenBSD, I >> prefer it to anything else. But this is obviously a showstopper if I >> can't boot the install cd. Anyone have any ideas? > > Thinkstation S10 seems to be based on Intel X38 chipset. It has some special > features regarding USB. > http://www.intel.com/Products/Desktop/Chipsets/X38/X38-overview.htm > > Possibly you need to enable the fourth USB port fully in the BIOS Setup? > Just my guess. The BIOS doesn't appear to give you such fine-grained control over which USB ports are enabled/disabled. There's a big hammer (all USB ports), and a smaller hammer (the "front" ports). > > If USB support is not necessary for your install, you can go to UKC from the > boot prompt (see Boot-Time Configuration in the FAQ) and disable the uhci(4) > driver there. If you boot and install successfully, it will allow you to > send 'dmesg' and 'pcidump -v' output here for kind people to be able to help > you, if still needed. Using the UKC (which I didn't know about) to disable uhci has allowed me to boot the kernel for installation and then the installed kernel. I'm still setting the system up, so don't know if I have enough USB stuff working for the system to be usable (the keyboard works; haven't gotten to X and the mouse yet). I will report when I'm done. Thanks very much for your help. /Don > > Regards, > David
Re: bsd.rd doesn't boot on a Lenovo Thinkstation S10
On Sat, 30 May 2009, Donald Allen wrote: Attempting to boot my Thinkstation S10 with a cd made from amd64/install45.iso results in uhci3: host system error uhci3: host controller process error uhci3: host controller halted The machine has a quad-core Intel processor, 4 Gb memory, 2 146 Gb SAS drives on an LSI raid controller set up as a raid 0. It's plugged into a Raritan Switchman KVM. I had no trouble installing Linux and later FreeBSD on this machine. From what I've seen thus far of OpenBSD, I prefer it to anything else. But this is obviously a showstopper if I can't boot the install cd. Anyone have any ideas? Thinkstation S10 seems to be based on Intel X38 chipset. It has some special features regarding USB. http://www.intel.com/Products/Desktop/Chipsets/X38/X38-overview.htm Possibly you need to enable the fourth USB port fully in the BIOS Setup? Just my guess. If USB support is not necessary for your install, you can go to UKC from the boot prompt (see Boot-Time Configuration in the FAQ) and disable the uhci(4) driver there. If you boot and install successfully, it will allow you to send 'dmesg' and 'pcidump -v' output here for kind people to be able to help you, if still needed. Regards, David
bsd.rd doesn't boot on a Lenovo Thinkstation S10
Attempting to boot my Thinkstation S10 with a cd made from amd64/install45.iso results in uhci3: host system error uhci3: host controller process error uhci3: host controller halted The machine has a quad-core Intel processor, 4 Gb memory, 2 146 Gb SAS drives on an LSI raid controller set up as a raid 0. It's plugged into a Raritan Switchman KVM. I had no trouble installing Linux and later FreeBSD on this machine. From what I've seen thus far of OpenBSD, I prefer it to anything else. But this is obviously a showstopper if I can't boot the install cd. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks -- /Don Allen
