openbsd and chromebooks

2014-07-28 Thread Jan Lambertz
Hi Johan,

dmesg (seems i lied little bit, got 4gb ram)

OpenBSD 5.5-current (GENERIC.MP) #250: Tue Jul  8 12:13:47 MDT 2014
t...@amd64.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC.MP
real mem = 4062691328 (3874MB)
avail mem = 3945762816 (3762MB)
mpath0 at root
scsibus0 at mpath0: 256 targets
mainbus0 at root
bios0 at mainbus0: SMBIOS rev. 2.6 @ 0xe0010 (78 entries)
bios0: vendor LENOVO version "6QET70WW (1.40 )" date 10/11/2012
bios0: LENOVO 3323REG
acpi0 at bios0: rev 2
acpi0: sleep states S0 S3 S4 S5
acpi0: tables DSDT FACP SSDT ECDT APIC MCFG HPET ASF! SLIC BOOT SSDT
TCPA DMAR SSDT SSDT SSDT
acpi0: wakeup devices LID_(S3) SLPB(S3) IGBE(S4) EXP1(S4) EXP2(S4)
EXP3(S4) EXP4(S4) EXP5(S4) EHC1(S3) EHC2(S3) HDEF(S4)
acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 24 bits
acpiec0 at acpi0
acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat
cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor)
cpu0: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU M 520 @ 2.40GHz, 2660.50 MHz
cpu0: 
FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,SMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,PCID,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,POPCNT,AES,NXE,LONG,LAHF,PERF,ITSC
cpu0: 256KB 64b/line 8-way L2 cache
cpu0: smt 0, core 0, package 0
mtrr: Pentium Pro MTRR support, 8 var ranges, 88 fixed ranges
cpu0: apic clock running at 133MHz
cpu0: mwait min=64, max=64, C-substates=0.2.1.1.0, IBE
cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 1 (application processor)
cpu1: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU M 520 @ 2.40GHz, 2660.01 MHz
cpu1: 
FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,SMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,PCID,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,POPCNT,AES,NXE,LONG,LAHF,PERF,ITSC
cpu1: 256KB 64b/line 8-way L2 cache
cpu1: smt 1, core 0, package 0
cpu2 at mainbus0: apid 4 (application processor)
cpu2: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU M 520 @ 2.40GHz, 2660.01 MHz
cpu2: 
FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,SMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,PCID,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,POPCNT,AES,NXE,LONG,LAHF,PERF,ITSC
cpu2: 256KB 64b/line 8-way L2 cache
cpu2: smt 0, core 2, package 0
cpu3 at mainbus0: apid 5 (application processor)
cpu3: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU M 520 @ 2.40GHz, 2660.01 MHz
cpu3: 
FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,SMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,PCID,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,POPCNT,AES,NXE,LONG,LAHF,PERF,ITSC
cpu3: 256KB 64b/line 8-way L2 cache
cpu3: smt 1, core 2, package 0
ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 1 pa 0xfec0, version 20, 24 pins
ioapic0: misconfigured as apic 2, remapped to apid 1
acpimcfg0 at acpi0 addr 0xe000, bus 0-255
acpihpet0 at acpi0: 14318179 Hz
acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0)
acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus -1 (PEG_)
acpiprt2 at acpi0: bus 13 (EXP1)
acpiprt3 at acpi0: bus -1 (EXP2)
acpiprt4 at acpi0: bus -1 (EXP3)
acpiprt5 at acpi0: bus 5 (EXP4)
acpiprt6 at acpi0: bus 2 (EXP5)
acpicpu0 at acpi0: C3, C1, PSS
acpicpu1 at acpi0: C3, C1, PSS
acpicpu2 at acpi0: C3, C1, PSS
acpicpu3 at acpi0: C3, C1, PSS
acpipwrres0 at acpi0: PUBS, resource for EHC1, EHC2
acpitz0 at acpi0: critical temperature is 100 degC
acpibtn0 at acpi0: LID_
acpibtn1 at acpi0: SLPB
acpibat0 at acpi0: BAT0 model "42T4696" serial  8337 type LION oem "Panasonic"
acpibat1 at acpi0: BAT1 not present
acpiac0 at acpi0: AC unit online
acpithinkpad0 at acpi0
acpidock0 at acpi0: GDCK docked (15)
cpu0: Enhanced SpeedStep 2660 MHz: speeds: 2400, 2399, 2266, 2133,
1999, 1866, 1733, 1599, 1466, 1333, 1199 MHz
pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0
pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 "Intel Core Host" rev 0x02
vga1 at pci0 dev 2 function 0 "Intel HD Graphics" rev 0x02
intagp0 at vga1
agp0 at intagp0: aperture at 0xd000, size 0x1000
inteldrm0 at vga1
drm0 at inteldrm0
inteldrm0: 1280x800
wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (std, vt100 emulation)
wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (std, vt100 emulation)
"Intel 3400 MEI" rev 0x06 at pci0 dev 22 function 0 not configured
puc0 at pci0 dev 22 function 3 "Intel 3400 KT" rev 0x06: ports: 1 com
com4 at puc0 port 0 apic 1 int 17: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo
com4: probed fifo depth: 0 bytes
em0 at pci0 dev 25 function 0 "Intel 82577LM" rev 0x06: msi, address
f0:de:f1:11:80:ca
ehci0 at pci0 dev 26 function 0 "Intel 3400 USB" rev 0x06: apic 1 int 23
usb0 at ehci0: USB revision 2.0
uhub0 at usb0 "Intel EHCI root hub" rev 2.00/1.00 addr 1
azalia0 at pci0 dev 27 function 0 "Intel 3400 HD Audio" rev 0x06: msi
azalia0: codecs: Conexant/0x5069, Intel/0x2804, using Conexant/0x5069
audio0 at azalia0
ppb0 at pci0 dev 28 function 0 "Intel 3400 PCIE" rev 0x06: msi
pci1 at ppb0 bus 13
ppb1 at pci0 dev 28 function 3 "Intel 3400 PCIE" rev 0x06: msi
pci2 at ppb1 bus 5
ppb2 at pci0 dev 28 function 4 "Intel 3400 PCIE" rev 0x06: msi
pci3 at ppb2 bus 2
iwn0 at pci3 dev 0 function 0 "Inte

Working ThinkPads? (Was: Re: openbsd and chromebooks)

2014-07-28 Thread Adam Thompson
So to get back on topic a bit, I know most of the devs use ThinkPads... 
My x201t is showing its age (already! *sigh*) as a Windows machine, but since 
much of the hardware (notably the serial Wacom touch-screen, rotation, 
fingerprint sensor) is nonfunctional under OpenBSD, I'm not sure that's what I 
want as my primary OpenBSD laptop.

What's the most current X-series that more or less completely works with 
OpenBSD?  By more or less completely, I include all the USB ports, internal 
WiFi & Bluetooth & Ethernet...

...preferably all under 5.6-Stable, too, as I don't update my machines very 
often.

Opinions?  I see the X1 Carbon mostly works, what about other current models?

-Adam
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Re: openbsd and chromebooks

2014-07-28 Thread Theo de Raadt
> On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 01:59:45PM +0200, frantisek holop wrote:
> > hmm, on Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 02:11:00PM -0400, Mike Burns said that
> > > > Anybody know of any small laptops (not necessarily chromebooks) that run
> > > > OpenBSD well?
> > > 
> > > Thinkpad X1 Carbon. -current works well: wifi, keyboard, mouse,
> > > touchscreen, suspend, resume, USB, headphones. See my recent thread "zzz
> > > + /dev/wsmouse" if you run into suspend/resume issues, or if you want to
> > > see a dmesg.
> > 
> > i am afraid this is a wholly different price category
> > than the chromebooks.
> 
> Moreover, the entire line Thinkpads turned into complete shit after the
> purchase of the Chinese Lenovo.

Please, not again.  There may be forums for discussing that matter, but this
is not the place.



Re: openbsd and chromebooks

2014-07-28 Thread Артур Истомин
On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 01:59:45PM +0200, frantisek holop wrote:
> hmm, on Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 02:11:00PM -0400, Mike Burns said that
> > > Anybody know of any small laptops (not necessarily chromebooks) that run
> > > OpenBSD well?
> > 
> > Thinkpad X1 Carbon. -current works well: wifi, keyboard, mouse,
> > touchscreen, suspend, resume, USB, headphones. See my recent thread "zzz
> > + /dev/wsmouse" if you run into suspend/resume issues, or if you want to
> > see a dmesg.
> 
> i am afraid this is a wholly different price category
> than the chromebooks.

Moreover, the entire line Thinkpads turned into complete shit after the
purchase of the Chinese Lenovo.
> 
> anyone tried anyo of the HP ones?
> 
> -f
> -- 
> good words cost no more than bad.



openbsd and chromebooks

2014-07-27 Thread Jan Lambertz
Hi,

i thought chromebooks can be nice with openbsd some time ago. i found
that out that at least some chromebooks have a bios and bootloader
that i dont like.
after that i bought a thinkpad x201 with i5, gsm modem,ssd, 2gb ram,
giant battery and dockingstation for 340€ at ebay. its quite light and
has a 12,1 inch screen.
this device runs great and without any problems.
gsm modem and fingerprint reader are not working due lack of drivers.



Re: openbsd and chromebooks

2014-07-26 Thread frantisek holop
hmm, on Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 02:11:00PM -0400, Mike Burns said that
> > Anybody know of any small laptops (not necessarily chromebooks) that run
> > OpenBSD well?
> 
> Thinkpad X1 Carbon. -current works well: wifi, keyboard, mouse,
> touchscreen, suspend, resume, USB, headphones. See my recent thread "zzz
> + /dev/wsmouse" if you run into suspend/resume issues, or if you want to
> see a dmesg.

i am afraid this is a wholly different price category
than the chromebooks.

anyone tried anyo of the HP ones?

-f
-- 
good words cost no more than bad.



Re: openbsd and chromebooks

2014-07-25 Thread Mike Burns
On 2014-07-25 11.59.33 -0400, Stuart McMurray wrote:
> Anybody know of any small laptops (not necessarily chromebooks) that run
> OpenBSD well?

Thinkpad X1 Carbon. -current works well: wifi, keyboard, mouse,
touchscreen, suspend, resume, USB, headphones. See my recent thread "zzz
+ /dev/wsmouse" if you run into suspend/resume issues, or if you want to
see a dmesg.

Have not yet tried: camera, fingerprint reader, mini-DisplayPort,
BlueTooth.

If you buy one, double-check the keyboard layout first. You may have to
buy from a reseller.

-Mike



Re: [Bulk] Re: openbsd and chromebooks

2014-07-25 Thread Kevin Chadwick
previously on this list Stuart McMurray contributed:

> The other thing that kept me from putting OpenBSD on here is that
> dual-booting is kinda kooky and has security implications for the ChromeOS
> side.  A better question:
> 

Is that because you have to unlock the bootloader or root it?

> Anybody know of any small laptops (not necessarily chromebooks) that run
> OpenBSD well?
> 

I believe I've seen atleast one dev with a lenovo x201 which I have
used briefly with OpenBSD and the T's seem to run well enough.

I rarely use wifi though and so can't vouch there.

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Re: openbsd and chromebooks

2014-07-25 Thread Peter Hessler
the keyboard and trackpad are horrendeous.  I hate typing on it.

no wifi, which is also really annoying.


On 2014 Jul 25 (Fri) at 17:40:24 +0200 (+0200), frantisek holop wrote:
:has anyone tried any of the existing chromebooks?
:any dmesgs?
:
:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromebook#Chromebook_models
:
:-f
:-- 
:tap here >>> <<< with hammer for a new monitor.
:

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Re: openbsd and chromebooks

2014-07-25 Thread Stuart McMurray
The other thing that kept me from putting OpenBSD on here is that
dual-booting is kinda kooky and has security implications for the ChromeOS
side.  A better question:

Anybody know of any small laptops (not necessarily chromebooks) that run
OpenBSD well?

J. Stuart McMurray


On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 11:56 AM, frantisek holop  wrote:

> hmm, on Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 11:45:32AM -0400, Stuart McMurray said that
> > I tried putting it on an SD card on my acer c270.  I don't have a dmesg
> at
> > the moment.
> >
> > Wireless and the trackpad didn't work, but a cheapy USB wireless device
> > did.  The biggest problem was putting it on the SD card made disk IO
> > really, really slow.  The lack of 802.11n was also kinda a bummer.
>
> well, there is no 802.11n in openbsd :)
> but i understand what you mean. the wifi is not
> supported on my current notebook either, so i am
> used to usb helpers.
>
> i am interested in the newest samsung chromebook.
> looks quite nice.
>
> -f
> --
> in the country of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.



Re: openbsd and chromebooks

2014-07-25 Thread frantisek holop
hmm, on Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 11:45:32AM -0400, Stuart McMurray said that
> I tried putting it on an SD card on my acer c270.  I don't have a dmesg at
> the moment.
> 
> Wireless and the trackpad didn't work, but a cheapy USB wireless device
> did.  The biggest problem was putting it on the SD card made disk IO
> really, really slow.  The lack of 802.11n was also kinda a bummer.

well, there is no 802.11n in openbsd :)
but i understand what you mean. the wifi is not
supported on my current notebook either, so i am
used to usb helpers.

i am interested in the newest samsung chromebook.
looks quite nice.

-f
-- 
in the country of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.



Re: openbsd and chromebooks

2014-07-25 Thread Stuart McMurray
I tried putting it on an SD card on my acer c270.  I don't have a dmesg at
the moment.

Wireless and the trackpad didn't work, but a cheapy USB wireless device
did.  The biggest problem was putting it on the SD card made disk IO
really, really slow.  The lack of 802.11n was also kinda a bummer.

J. Stuart McMurray


On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 11:40 AM, frantisek holop  wrote:

> has anyone tried any of the existing chromebooks?
> any dmesgs?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromebook#Chromebook_models
>
> -f
> --
> tap here >>> <<< with hammer for a new monitor.



openbsd and chromebooks

2014-07-25 Thread frantisek holop
has anyone tried any of the existing chromebooks?
any dmesgs?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromebook#Chromebook_models

-f
-- 
tap here >>> <<< with hammer for a new monitor.