Re: ordering
On 16 Apr 2017 8:12 am, "Theo de Raadt" wrote: Hi Vijay and everyone else, > I had sent an email to ord...@openbsdstore.com regarding this > yesterday and they replied that "there isn't a 6.1 cd, please check > out the obsd.org site to persuade them to make one...". However I did > not want to bother the list and the developers in case CDs are not the > way to go. I did a search on mailing list messages but did not see > anything about 6.1 CDs. True. The 6.1 ANNOUNCEMENT does not list an upcoming CD. 6.0 was announced as the last CD release. 6.0 says so in the liner notes. It is hard to believe OpenBSD followers missed that. 6.0 had 6 songs. It was meant to be over the top, a celebration. I sung the lyrics for the 6th song: Goodbye CDs I'm done with you today Goodbye Goodbye Goodbye No more pre-production And no more long delays So I have peace Of mind Goodbye. I am a sorry for people who missed the cues, but this change is personal. I made 40 CD releases in 20 years, investing personal effort and risk to build and sustain the costs of this project and sub-projects. I do not want to keep making CDs to sustain myself and the project anymore. Other ways need to work now. The decision is not only economical. I don't want the "friction" of trying to achieve high-quality production of collector item data CDs twice a year, in 2017. 6.0 was a high-quality CD release like previous ones, but don't want to expend the effort of producing and testing to make sure 6.1, 6.2 etc are up to that standard. It is better to call it quits on a high note. Having done 6.1 without a CD, we learn that incorporating CDs into the production cycle has been a big drag, basically 1 month out of 6. Other project developers and processes were locked to that cycle. It is shocking how easy a release cycle is without a CD. Generally our tree is always ready, we may be able to do future releases at the drop of a hat. As long as we produce a release the developers can be proud of. That is more important than making a CD -- by far. > So I am thinking that the CD's may be ready only by May 1 and the > release date was pushed earlier for some reason (just a guess > because in 2015 and before, CDs were released in May and November) The shop will not be selling 6.1 CDs. Most things come to an end, sorry. > If no OpenBSD CDs are going to be released, then probably it is better > to just send a donation to the OpenBSD foundation and/or to Theo de > Raadt. Vijay, that is the correct way to sustain the software. The CDs haven't pulled in sustaining revenue for many years. Based upon income from contributors the Foundation performs a fantastic function -- making worries and problems disappear. > If CD's are going to be released, of course, I would be first > in line since I have all CD's since 2.8 :) That is a good collection. I have one of each, and ones before that. I've heard that 2.5 is the most difficult to acquire. I think the audio CDs are undervalued. They contain no dorky software -- they are lyrics + music + drawing, just art. Dorky art sure, but no software... Sorry guys. Anyone want to buy some well-used CD burners? I have a pair of questions. Are there any plan to release audio CD at more or less regular intervals ? I only bought the last one and I really like it Could the project offer a ballpark estimate of the difficulty to release a token object with each release ? I'm thinking of something like a blank usb key, maybe in a box similar to the one used for the release CD. The idea would be to offer a physical token which could be produced without any impact to the core project. Just like the song, which are not released yet as far as I know.
Re: ordering
While I understand this decision, I would like to mention some issues [which you almost certainly already knew about] which might convince someone else to eventually tackle the CD release process (or maybe scare them away from doing so): (1) CDs, by their nature, are a bit more difficult to corrupt than many other relevant storage mechanisms, (2) The CD release process imposed the discipline of a regular "release freeze" on development, (3) Some modern machines are built without any CD reader. I will go back to doing that "shut up" thing, now. Thanks, -- Raul On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 2:10 AM, Theo de Raadt wrote: > Hi Vijay and everyone else, > >> I had sent an email to ord...@openbsdstore.com regarding this >> yesterday and they replied that "there isn't a 6.1 cd, please check >> out the obsd.org site to persuade them to make one...". However I did >> not want to bother the list and the developers in case CDs are not the >> way to go. I did a search on mailing list messages but did not see >> anything about 6.1 CDs. > > True. The 6.1 ANNOUNCEMENT does not list an upcoming CD. > > 6.0 was announced as the last CD release. > > 6.0 says so in the liner notes. > > It is hard to believe OpenBSD followers missed that. > > 6.0 had 6 songs. It was meant to be over the top, a celebration. > > I sung the lyrics for the 6th song: > > Goodbye CDs > I'm done with you today > Goodbye > Goodbye > Goodbye > No more pre-production > And no more long delays > So I have peace > Of mind > Goodbye. > > I am a sorry for people who missed the cues, but this change is > personal. I made 40 CD releases in 20 years, investing personal > effort and risk to build and sustain the costs of this project and > sub-projects. > > I do not want to keep making CDs to sustain myself and the project > anymore. Other ways need to work now. > > The decision is not only economical. I don't want the "friction" of > trying to achieve high-quality production of collector item data CDs > twice a year, in 2017. 6.0 was a high-quality CD release like > previous ones, but don't want to expend the effort of producing and > testing to make sure 6.1, 6.2 etc are up to that standard. It is > better to call it quits on a high note. > > Having done 6.1 without a CD, we learn that incorporating CDs into the > production cycle has been a big drag, basically 1 month out of 6. > Other project developers and processes were locked to that cycle. It > is shocking how easy a release cycle is without a CD. Generally our > tree is always ready, we may be able to do future releases at the drop > of a hat. > > As long as we produce a release the developers can be proud of. That > is more important than making a CD -- by far. > >> So I am thinking that the CD's may be ready only by May 1 and the >> release date was pushed earlier for some reason (just a guess >> because in 2015 and before, CDs were released in May and November) > > The shop will not be selling 6.1 CDs. > > Most things come to an end, sorry. > >> If no OpenBSD CDs are going to be released, then probably it is better >> to just send a donation to the OpenBSD foundation and/or to Theo de >> Raadt. > > Vijay, that is the correct way to sustain the software. > > The CDs haven't pulled in sustaining revenue for many years. > > Based upon income from contributors the Foundation performs a > fantastic function -- making worries and problems disappear. > >> If CD's are going to be released, of course, I would be first >> in line since I have all CD's since 2.8 :) > > That is a good collection. I have one of each, and ones before that. > I've heard that 2.5 is the most difficult to acquire. > > I think the audio CDs are undervalued. They contain no dorky software > -- they are lyrics + music + drawing, just art. Dorky art sure, but > no software... > > Sorry guys. > > Anyone want to buy some well-used CD burners?
Re: ordering
On 04/16/17 03:28, Friedrich Locke wrote: > i would like to order obsd 6.1, butfrom the openbsd store i cannot see it > available for ordering. > May you help me ? As others have pointed out, 6.0 was the last release with an official CD set made. But as long as you have funds allocated, you could do worse than head over to http://www.openbsd.org/donations.html and donate an equivalent (or larger!) amount via whatever option appears appropriate. I'm sure this will make you feel even better while downloading the release. -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team http://bsdly.blogspot.com/ http://www.bsdly.net/ http://www.nuug.no/ "Remember to set the evil bit on all malicious network traffic" delilah spamd[29949]: 85.152.224.147: disconnected after 42673 seconds.
Re: ordering
Hi Vijay and everyone else, > I had sent an email to ord...@openbsdstore.com regarding this > yesterday and they replied that "there isn't a 6.1 cd, please check > out the obsd.org site to persuade them to make one...". However I did > not want to bother the list and the developers in case CDs are not the > way to go. I did a search on mailing list messages but did not see > anything about 6.1 CDs. True. The 6.1 ANNOUNCEMENT does not list an upcoming CD. 6.0 was announced as the last CD release. 6.0 says so in the liner notes. It is hard to believe OpenBSD followers missed that. 6.0 had 6 songs. It was meant to be over the top, a celebration. I sung the lyrics for the 6th song: Goodbye CDs I'm done with you today Goodbye Goodbye Goodbye No more pre-production And no more long delays So I have peace Of mind Goodbye. I am a sorry for people who missed the cues, but this change is personal. I made 40 CD releases in 20 years, investing personal effort and risk to build and sustain the costs of this project and sub-projects. I do not want to keep making CDs to sustain myself and the project anymore. Other ways need to work now. The decision is not only economical. I don't want the "friction" of trying to achieve high-quality production of collector item data CDs twice a year, in 2017. 6.0 was a high-quality CD release like previous ones, but don't want to expend the effort of producing and testing to make sure 6.1, 6.2 etc are up to that standard. It is better to call it quits on a high note. Having done 6.1 without a CD, we learn that incorporating CDs into the production cycle has been a big drag, basically 1 month out of 6. Other project developers and processes were locked to that cycle. It is shocking how easy a release cycle is without a CD. Generally our tree is always ready, we may be able to do future releases at the drop of a hat. As long as we produce a release the developers can be proud of. That is more important than making a CD -- by far. > So I am thinking that the CD's may be ready only by May 1 and the > release date was pushed earlier for some reason (just a guess > because in 2015 and before, CDs were released in May and November) The shop will not be selling 6.1 CDs. Most things come to an end, sorry. > If no OpenBSD CDs are going to be released, then probably it is better > to just send a donation to the OpenBSD foundation and/or to Theo de > Raadt. Vijay, that is the correct way to sustain the software. The CDs haven't pulled in sustaining revenue for many years. Based upon income from contributors the Foundation performs a fantastic function -- making worries and problems disappear. > If CD's are going to be released, of course, I would be first > in line since I have all CD's since 2.8 :) That is a good collection. I have one of each, and ones before that. I've heard that 2.5 is the most difficult to acquire. I think the audio CDs are undervalued. They contain no dorky software -- they are lyrics + music + drawing, just art. Dorky art sure, but no software... Sorry guys. Anyone want to buy some well-used CD burners?
Re: ordering
Quoting Friedrich Locke : Hi folks, i would like to order obsd 6.1, butfrom the openbsd store i cannot see it available for ordering. May you help me ? thanks, gustavo. Hi, I had sent an email to ord...@openbsdstore.com regarding this yesterday and they replied that "there isn't a 6.1 cd, please check out the obsd.org site to persuade them to make one...". However I did not want to bother the list and the developers in case CDs are not the way to go. I did a search on mailing list messages but did not see anything about 6.1 CDs. So I am thinking that the CD's may be ready only by May 1 and the release date was pushed earlier for some reason (just a guess because in 2015 and before, CDs were released in May and November) If no OpenBSD CDs are going to be released, then probably it is better to just send a donation to the OpenBSD foundation and/or to Theo de Raadt. If CD's are going to be released, of course, I would be first in line since I have all CD's since 2.8 :) Vijay -- Vijay Sankar, M.Eng., P.Eng. ForeTell Technologies Limited vsan...@foretell.ca
Re: ordering
I guess this is the thread where I mention that most of the OpenBSD FTP mirrors' login motd banner say you can buy 6.1 on CD. Not really a big deal, but mirror maintainers might want to adjust it. On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 8:37 PM, Edgar Pettijohn wrote: > On 04/15/17 20:28, Friedrich Locke wrote: > >> Hi folks, >> >> i would like to order obsd 6.1, butfrom the openbsd store i cannot see it >> available for ordering. >> May you help me ? >> >> thanks, gustavo. >> > 6.0 was the last release that the project made CD's for.
Re: ordering
On 04/15/17 20:28, Friedrich Locke wrote: Hi folks, i would like to order obsd 6.1, butfrom the openbsd store i cannot see it available for ordering. May you help me ? thanks, gustavo. 6.0 was the last release that the project made CD's for.
Re: ordering
On 15/04/2017, Friedrich Locke wrote: > Hi folks, > > i would like to order obsd 6.1, butfrom the openbsd store i cannot see it > available for ordering. > May you help me ? http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#60f Notice that the 61.html page no longer has any ISBN numbers, BTW. C.
ordering
Hi folks, i would like to order obsd 6.1, butfrom the openbsd store i cannot see it available for ordering. May you help me ? thanks, gustavo.
Re: open bsd 5.7 and 5.8 cd ordering questions
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 22:28:48 +0100 Fred wrote: >Although the truly paranoid can check the signify key printed on >their disks with the one on the OpenBSD website. ...unless of course they've poisoned your dns and are sending you to an alternate site for just such an event... Maybe you should just drive up to Calgary and get them in person. But yeah, they'll probably just swap the cds in your car while they're strip searching you when you're trying to get back in... *sigh*
Re: open bsd 5.7 and 5.8 cd ordering questions
On 08/22/15 21:32, Danny Nguyen wrote: Hi, I want to order these two compact discs (see subject line) and have few questions: 1. Is there tamperproof tape on the OpenBSD compact discs mailed from the openbsd store? 2. Royal Mail takes how long to arrive to California? Is it being sent as a letter? Thank you. oh and in answer to question 2. the Royal Mail claim to deliver in 5-7 working days to the rest of the world, which includes the US. hth Fred
Re: open bsd 5.7 and 5.8 cd ordering questions
On 08/22/15 21:32, Danny Nguyen wrote: Hi, I want to order these two compact discs (see subject line) and have few questions: 1. Is there tamperproof tape on the OpenBSD compact discs mailed from the openbsd store? 2. Royal Mail takes how long to arrive to California? Is it being sent as a letter? Thank you. Hi Danny, The CD's come in a DVD case which has a plastic film cover which has to be removed to access the CD's from the case. They also come in padded envelopes that are obvious if they have been tampered with. However, if you have an adversary who has lots of money these protection methods can be subverted - but the signify key will then allow you to see if they have tampered with the product. Although the truly paranoid can check the signify key printed on their disks with the one on the OpenBSD website. hth Fred
open bsd 5.7 and 5.8 cd ordering questions
Hi, I want to order these two compact discs (see subject line) and have few questions: 1. Is there tamperproof tape on the OpenBSD compact discs mailed from the openbsd store? 2. Royal Mail takes how long to arrive to California? Is it being sent as a letter? Thank you.
Re: Ordering OpenBSD 5.6 in the US?
https://https.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/order from this page; http://www.openbsd.org/orders.html#ca/cshop On Mon, Sep 29, 2014, at 10:21 PM, Andrew Lester wrote: > Hey all, > > I notice the Softpro books seller, the only one for the US, indicates > that they will no longer sell > OpenBSD as distribution is moving to Europe. That being the case, what > would the best place > to order the disc set for OpenBSD 5.6 in the US be? Any word on when a > preorder will be > available? > > Warm regards, > Andrew
Ordering OpenBSD 5.6 in the US?
Hey all, I notice the Softpro books seller, the only one for the US, indicates that they will no longer sell OpenBSD as distribution is moving to Europe. That being the case, what would the best place to order the disc set for OpenBSD 5.6 in the US be? Any word on when a preorder will be available? Warm regards, Andrew
CD ordering problems in the last day or so fixed.
The https.openbsd.org machines were under a denial of service attack originating from LeaseWeb USA and LeasWeb Netherlands: Their nets have now been filtered and you should be able to order again. Thank you to those who dropped me a note. -Bob If you know anyone here you could tell them if they care. attack originated from multiple IP's on both their USA and Netherlands networks. # # ARIN WHOIS data and services are subject to the Terms of Use # available at: https://www.arin.net/whois_tou.html # % This is the RIPE Database query service. % The objects are in RPSL format. % % The RIPE Database is subject to Terms and Conditions. % See http://www.ripe.net/db/support/db-terms-conditions.pdf % Note: this output has been filtered. % To receive output for a database update, use the "-B" flag. % Information related to '94.75.252.64 - 94.75.255.255' inetnum: 94.75.252.64 - 94.75.255.255 netname: LEASEWEB descr: LeaseWeb descr: P.O. Box 93054 descr: 1090BB AMSTERDAM descr: Netherlands descr: www.leaseweb.com remarks: Please send email to "ab...@leaseweb.com" for complaints remarks: regarding portscans, DoS attacks and spam. remarks: INFRA-AW country: NL admin-c: LSW1-RIPE tech-c: LSW1-RIPE status: ASSIGNED PA mnt-by: LEASEWEB-MNT source: RIPE # Filtered person: RIP Mean address:P.O. Box 93054 address:1090BB AMSTERDAM address:Netherlands phone: +31 20 3162880 fax-no: +31 20 3162890 abuse-mailbox: ab...@leaseweb.com nic-hdl:LSW1-RIPE mnt-by: OCOM-MNT source: RIPE # Filtered # The following results may also be obtained via: # http://whois.arin.net/rest/nets;q=108.59.1.227?showDetails=true&showARIN=false&ext=netref2 # NetRange: 108.59.0.0 - 108.59.15.255 CIDR: 108.59.0.0/20 OriginAS: AS30633 NetName:LEASEWEB-US NetHandle: NET-108-59-0-0-1 Parent: NET-108-0-0-0-0 NetType:Direct Allocation Comment:LEASE-ARIN RegDate:2010-11-18 Updated:2012-02-24 Ref:http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-108-59-0-0-1 OrgName:Leaseweb USA, Inc. OrgId: LU Address:9480 Innovation Dr City: Manassas StateProv: VA PostalCode: 20109 Country:US RegDate:2010-09-13 Updated:2012-10-09 Comment:www.leaseweb.com Ref:http://whois.arin.net/rest/org/LU
Re: Ordering CDs in Europe becoming increasingly difficult
On Fri, Jul 09, 2010 at 01:34:26AM +0200, Floor Terra wrote: > > I admit that I'm a bit ignorant here, as I've myself never > > administered an SSL web site, but I am not convinced by this: Doesn't > > the above just mean that it switches to HTTPS *after* transmitting my > > information in the clear? Or can someone else explain if and/or how > > the above is sane? > > > > From a quick glance at the website: > You get an empty form delivered over plain http. The form submits to > an https page. > This means the content of the form is only transmitted over https. Unless the attacker substitutes the page with another one that can send your password wherever he wants...
Re: Ordering CDs in Europe becoming increasingly difficult
We have made it very clear on our website. If you wish to avoid the account creation/order process please email us your order directly. We're working on the other issues. Thanks,
Re: Ordering CDs in Europe becoming increasingly difficult
ropers wrote: On 22 May 2010 11:01, Lyn Done wrote: Sorry that you have concerns about buying from us. We have moved to a new, more secure ecommerce system which is compliant under PCI-DSS, so that you need have no concerns about the security of entering your personal or card details. We were unable to transfer across the information from the old system, so that yes, you can use your previous details on the new site or different details - you can change this information at any time in the future. Once you enter any information on the login page, then it forces an https call, so the site is totally secure with your details. I admit that I'm a bit ignorant here, as I've myself never administered an SSL web site, but I am not convinced by this: Doesn't the above just mean that it switches to HTTPS *after* transmitting my information in the clear? Or can someone else explain if and/or how the above is sane? Please ignore the guess work.
Re: Ordering CDs in Europe becoming increasingly difficult
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 7:22 PM, ropers wrote: > I admit that I'm a bit ignorant here, as I've myself never > administered an SSL web site, but I am not convinced by this: Doesn't > the above just mean that it switches to HTTPS *after* transmitting my > information in the clear? Or can someone else explain if and/or how > the above is sane? Instead of asking people to guess what's happening based on your observation of what you think your browser is doing, wouldn't it make sense to just watch your network traffic and know for certain?
Re: Ordering CDs in Europe becoming increasingly difficult
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 1:22 AM, ropers wrote: > On 22 May 2010 11:01, Lyn Done wrote: >> Sorry that you have concerns about buying from us. >> >> We have moved to a new, more secure ecommerce system which is compliant >> under PCI-DSS, so that you need have no concerns about the security of >> entering your personal or card details. We were unable to transfer across >> the information from the old system, so that yes, you can use your previous >> details on the new site or different details - you can change this >> information at any time in the future. Once you enter any information on the >> login page, then it forces an https call, so the site is totally secure with >> your details. > > I admit that I'm a bit ignorant here, as I've myself never > administered an SSL web site, but I am not convinced by this: Doesn't > the above just mean that it switches to HTTPS *after* transmitting my > information in the clear? Or can someone else explain if and/or how > the above is sane? > >From a quick glance at the website: You get an empty form delivered over plain http. The form submits to an https page. This means the content of the form is only transmitted over https. -- Floor Terra www: http://brobding.mine.nu/
Re: Ordering CDs in Europe becoming increasingly difficult
I have also voiced concerns to OpenBSDEurope and I also have not ordered OpenBSD 4.7: On 22 May 2010 01:00, ropers wrote: > You seem to have migrated to a new e-commerce system; I'm not sure I > like having to create an additional account and remember yet another > password. Before I just plugged in my credit card details and was > done. > > If I do create an account with you, would I have to use the same email > address I used when I ordered 4.6 to avail of the account? Could I > change it later? What really scared me however was this: > NB: Also, on your order/checkout page, the link doesn't turn into a > HTTPS one until *after* the user has entered their password. This > can't be good. To which they replied: On 22 May 2010 11:01, Lyn Done wrote: > Sorry that you have concerns about buying from us. > > We have moved to a new, more secure ecommerce system which is compliant > under PCI-DSS, so that you need have no concerns about the security of > entering your personal or card details. We were unable to transfer across > the information from the old system, so that yes, you can use your previous > details on the new site or different details - you can change this > information at any time in the future. Once you enter any information on the > login page, then it forces an https call, so the site is totally secure with > your details. I admit that I'm a bit ignorant here, as I've myself never administered an SSL web site, but I am not convinced by this: Doesn't the above just mean that it switches to HTTPS *after* transmitting my information in the clear? Or can someone else explain if and/or how the above is sane? > I understand your worry about 'creating an account', however you are only > giving us the address details that we need to ship to you, and we allow you > to enter a password, so that you can return to the site, and check orders, > and of course when you buy from us again, you don't have to enter the detail > again... I find having to deal with another password and account and having to trust another person to safeguard my personal information they keep on file and online long after the order is fulfilled much more annoying than having to type in my address and payment details again. Some people find it more convenient to create additional accounts, or even log in with their Google or Facefook accounts (gah! yeuch!). If anything, it should be my choice whether I want to do that. /my 2 cents regards, --ropers
Re: Ordering CDs in Europe becoming increasingly difficult
Hi, well to say: ComputerShop even ship to Banana Republic (Ecuador) South America, It takes a week, its quickly (i am serious) :) -- Atentamente Andris Genovez Tobar / Sistemas Personal: andresgeno...@gmail.com http://www.crice.org
Re: Ordering CDs in Europe becoming increasingly difficult
Worked fine fro me in firefox at 4.7 release time, though I couldn't get the order placed via my symbian phones browsers. After a few tries I got through to visa verification and then it went nowhere. Not sure if that's visas fault, as I usually avoid using my phone for ordering.
Re: Ordering CDs in Europe becoming increasingly difficult
Jona Joachim wrote: Hi, I've been buying every CD release over the last couple of years. I purchased 4.6 from openbsdeurope.com and it was just as comfortable as with Wim the years before. However I haven't purchased 4.7 yet because the ordering involves too much hassle. openbsdeurope.com now requires you to create an account in order to place an order, that's really annoying. On top of that the regex they use to verify your e-mail address is flawed. I read http://www.openbsd.org/orders.html in order to find shops in France (where I live) that carry the OpenBSD CD sets. There are 2 listed: - http://www.eyrolles.com/ I couldn't find OpenBSD in their online shop. - http://www.lmet.fr/ They sell the CDs for 57 EUR compared to 38 EUR for openbsdeurope.com. They also want you to create an account. I could order from the Computer Shop of Calgary but that would involve big shipping costs. Ordering the CD sets just isn't as much fun anymore as it used to be. I would have to agree with your observations. I did order the 4.7 release and some other stuff from openbsdeurope.com, and it was anything but easy. The stuff did arrive in time though, so with that I have absolutely no complaint! Here's a copy of my views on the "user experience" they present. I had to cram it into a small HTML form window on their site: 8<8<8<8<8< (cut) Hi! I just made a purchase of OpenBSD 4.7 and some assorted stuff (order no xxx), and while struggling with the ordering process I found some bugs in your system that you might want to look into for improving the "customer experience". I don't know how the formatting will work in this small text window, but here goes: - Can't enter international phone numbers (+468, +46707), the system complains of "must enter UK area (01, 02) phone number" (or something similar) although I've specified Sweden as country. - Can't use international characters (although you've noted that yourself already). This is actually more than a nuisance, since these characters are a natural part of our language. Imagine if someone told you that you could not use for example the letters E, S and P, wouldn't you find that highly disruptive? - Can't check the box for delivery insurance until I've clicked "I have read and agree to the terms of sale" (for the SECOND TIME!), and that click box is on the very lowest portion of the page. Unintuitive! And please don't make the customer agree to the terms of sale more than once. - The URL to the Terms of sale (on both pages where one should agree to them...) is incorrect, yielding an error page on my browser. This is the one you link to that doesn't work: http://www.shop.openbsdeurope.com/terms.html Either of these work: http://www.openbsdeurope.com/terms.html http://shop.openbsdeurope.com/terms.html - On the final "Payment Details" page, you state the transaction fee when paying via Bank Transfer to be GBP -2.11, a negative value. I seriously doubt you will refund me GBP 2.11 if I pay by Bank Transfer. :-) Feel free to contact me if you have any questions or comments. Best regards, Benny Lofgren Internetlabbet AB (www.internetlabbet.se) Sweden (And when submitting this form I again stumbled on the "Invalid characters in response" thing due to the fact that I accidentally wrote my name as it should be written (I have a letter o with diaeresis in my last name) and not the way you want it.) 8<8<8<8<8< (cut) -- internetlabbet.se / work: +46 8 551 124 80 / "Words must Benny Lvfgren/ mobile: +46 70 718 11 90 / be weighed, / fax:+46 8 551 124 89/not counted." /email: benny -at- internetlabbet.se
Re: Ordering CDs in Europe becoming increasingly difficult
On 2010-07-08, OpenBSD Europe Orders wrote: > Jona Joachim wrote: >> Hi, >> I've been buying every CD release over the last couple of years. I >> purchased 4.6 from openbsdeurope.com and it was just as comfortable as >> with Wim the years before. >> However I haven't purchased 4.7 yet because the ordering involves too >> much hassle. >> openbsdeurope.com now requires you to create an account in order to >> place an order, that's really annoying. On top of that the regex they >> use to verify your e-mail address is flawed. > > We see it another way. When we used PayPal exclusively people purchased > and _then_ emailed us asking for an address change because they hadn't > bothered to update their PayPal information. 'On top of that' we had > people _not_ wanting to use PayPal but other various methods, bank > transfer, terminal etc etc... > > Please tell us how to win? I didn't mean to sound rude. It's just that remembering yet another password for an account I use once or twice a year is really annoying especially when it could be easier. You could have a form where the user can enter his address or alternatively hit a "use paypal address" checkbox or something like that. I like the KISS principle of the "SpongiForm" ordering system used on openbsd.org. > If you had emailed us we would have just taken your order via email and > allowed a PayPal payment... like many others have. I will make this > very, very clear from the home page. I didn't know that this was an option. I'm not a big fan of PayPal either, I had trouble with them in the past. The easiest for me would be a payement by credit card but I don't know if you can handle that. If you prefer PayPal it's fine, too. I will drop you a mail shortly to place the order. Best regards, Jona -- Worse is better Richard P. Gabriel
Re: Ordering CDs in Europe becoming increasingly difficult
I've bought from the computer shop directly on three occasions, I get the CDs in the right time and I didn't felt the shipping was that expensive. In fact, I think it was quite the same. I'm working near Eyrolles, and I didn't saw OpenBSD sets their for a long time. Not far from Eyrolles, the excellent book shop le monde en tique <http://www.lmet.fr/> sell them, but they receive them some times after official release day. Personnaly I'll keep buying from the Computer Shop. They are nice and efficient. cheers, -- nicolas On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 01:31:26PM +0200, Andri Braselmann wrote: > On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 12:21:54PM +0100, John Wright wrote: > > > > Ordering the CD sets just isn't as much fun anymore as it used to be. > > > > I feel the same way. > > rrright. > > Andri
Re: Ordering CDs in Europe becoming increasingly difficult
Jona Joachim wrote: Hi, I've been buying every CD release over the last couple of years. I purchased 4.6 from openbsdeurope.com and it was just as comfortable as with Wim the years before. However I haven't purchased 4.7 yet because the ordering involves too much hassle. openbsdeurope.com now requires you to create an account in order to place an order, that's really annoying. On top of that the regex they use to verify your e-mail address is flawed. We see it another way. When we used PayPal exclusively people purchased and _then_ emailed us asking for an address change because they hadn't bothered to update their PayPal information. 'On top of that' we had people _not_ wanting to use PayPal but other various methods, bank transfer, terminal etc etc... Please tell us how to win? If you had emailed us we would have just taken your order via email and allowed a PayPal payment... like many others have. I will make this very, very clear from the home page. I read http://www.openbsd.org/orders.html in order to find shops in France (where I live) that carry the OpenBSD CD sets. There are 2 listed: - http://www.eyrolles.com/ I couldn't find OpenBSD in their online shop. - http://www.lmet.fr/ They sell the CDs for 57 EUR compared to 38 EUR for openbsdeurope.com. Indeed. If you do the maths you'll see what this means to us. They also want you to create an account. I could order from the Computer Shop of Calgary but that would involve big shipping costs. Ordering the CD sets just isn't as much fun anymore as it used to be. Best regards, Jona
Re: Ordering CDs in Europe becoming increasingly difficult
On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 12:21:54PM +0100, John Wright wrote: > > Ordering the CD sets just isn't as much fun anymore as it used to be. > > I feel the same way. rrright. Andri
Re: Ordering CDs in Europe becoming increasingly difficult
On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 10:56:38AM +, Jona Joachim wrote: > Hi, > I've been buying every CD release over the last couple of years. I > purchased 4.6 from openbsdeurope.com and it was just as comfortable as > with Wim the years before. > However I haven't purchased 4.7 yet because the ordering involves too > much hassle. > openbsdeurope.com now requires you to create an account in order to > place an order, that's really annoying. On top of that the regex they > use to verify your e-mail address is flawed. > > I read http://www.openbsd.org/orders.html in order to find shops in > France (where I live) that carry the OpenBSD CD sets. > There are 2 listed: > - http://www.eyrolles.com/ > I couldn't find OpenBSD in their online shop. > > - http://www.lmet.fr/ > They sell the CDs for 57 EUR compared to 38 EUR for openbsdeurope.com. > They also want you to create an account. > > I could order from the Computer Shop of Calgary but that would involve > big shipping costs. > > Ordering the CD sets just isn't as much fun anymore as it used to be. I feel the same way. I've made sure to use https://https.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/donations to make a donation because that is still an easy thing to do. I will have to make do with FTP for installations from now on.
Re: Ordering more than the CD
On 5/29/09, Jean-Francois wrote: > Hello, > > Could you please indicate where one in France can order the Shirt and > CD, I found only CD resaler. > Ordering in EU/US is not a problem if needed. > > Thank you! > JF The Computer Shop of Calgary will sell you everything you need: https://https.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/order hth Fred
Ordering more than the CD
Hello, Could you please indicate where one in France can order the Shirt and CD, I found only CD resaler. Ordering in EU/US is not a problem if needed. Thank you! JF
pcidump hexdump byte ordering
Hi misc,
I'm toying with SMM with the prospect to write a correct (read: not
depending on some useless firmware magic) driver for battery threshold
setting for thinkpads. Right now I need to flip the D_OPEN flag of the
northbridge, but I'm unsure about the ordering of the bytes in the PCI
subsystem
this is the code I use to access the config space (chipset's an I915M) :
> iodata.pi_sel.pc_bus = 0;
> iodata.pi_sel.pc_dev = 0;
> iodata.pi_sel.pc_func = 0;
> iodata.pi_reg = 0x9C;
> iodata.pi_width = 4;
> iodata.pi_data = 0;
>
> if (ioctl(pcifd, PCIOCREAD, &iodata) == -1)
>warn("problem while doing ioctl on /dev/pci");
>
> printf("%#x\n", iodata.pi_data);
this is what it prints :
> 0x391a20
this is the output of pcidump -xx 0:0:0
> Domain /dev/pci:
> 0:0:0: Intel 82915GM Host
> 0x: 25908086 20900106 0603
> [...]
> 0x0080:
> 0x0090: 0110 0030 00391a20
> 0x00a0:
which is coherent with what my code displays
now, the I915 doc says that the VID is at offset 00h, and that the DID
is at 02h, and that their values are 8086h and 2590 respectively. I'll
let you check that on the dump above, theses values are interverted
...
Is that to say the offset 0x9D is on the lightest byte of the value I fetch ?
Cheers,
--
Vincent Gross
"So, the essence of XML is this: the problem it solves is not hard, and
it does not solve the problem well." -- Jerome Simeon & Phil Wadler
Re: T-short ordering to Ukraine
On Mon, 3 Apr 2006, Craig wrote: > Alexey Vatchenko wrote: > > Hi! > > > > I'd like to buy the "Wireframe Puffy". > > Has anyone order t-short from Ukraine? > > How many extra money does it take to deliver it to Ukraine? > > > > I don't know about the Ukraine, but I ordered a couple of t-shirts, 31 > days ago and there's still no sign of the goods. VERY disappointing. Orders containing 3.9 CDs won't ship until the CD's are available. Enquiry at the place where you've ordered. misc@ is not that place. -Otto
Re: T-short ordering to Ukraine
Alexey Vatchenko wrote: Hi! I'd like to buy the "Wireframe Puffy". Has anyone order t-short from Ukraine? How many extra money does it take to deliver it to Ukraine? I don't know about the Ukraine, but I ordered a couple of t-shirts, 31 days ago and there's still no sign of the goods. VERY disappointing. -- Best regards, Craig http://slashboot.org/ Support OpenBSD http://www.openbsd.org/orders.html
T-short ordering to Ukraine
Hi! I'd like to buy the "Wireframe Puffy". Has anyone order t-short from Ukraine? How many extra money does it take to deliver it to Ukraine? -- Alexey V. Vatchenko http://psytech.h10.ru JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 162799204
Re: rapid response to ordering :-)
> Hmmm, I ordered mine over 2 weeks ago and still haven't seen them. Probably > stuck somewhere with the good old USPS. > > Greg > > Me too, I preordered my CD set to OpenBSD/Europe (I live in Spain ) at the beginning of october and I am still waiting, :-( . Anyway, I asume they are busy sending so many CDs. Ramiro.
Re: rapid response to ordering :-)
Pete Vickers wrote: Hi, Just to say thanks to all involved. I ordered my 3.8CDs on via OpenBSD/europe page on tuesday, and they arrived today (friday)... in Norway. All in tact and unblemished (as usual). Great service, thanks :-) I even got it before I paid for it, how's that for service :-) Thanks to Wim for trying deal with the VISA card issued from my bank. /Sigfred
Re: rapid response to ordering :-)
Brandon Mercer wrote: Pete Vickers wrote: Hi, Just to say thanks to all involved. I ordered my 3.8CDs on via OpenBSD/europe page on tuesday, and they arrived today (friday)... in Norway. All in tact and unblemished (as usual). Great service, thanks :-) Me too! Great work to the entire team. I ordered my set on sunday, maybe saturday and I have them today, friday! Looking forwarding to showcasing OpenBSD at my hackathon on the 23rd. Brandon I ordered mine weeks ago and I'm still waiting! Maybe because it's a CD+T-shirt order to the US. Anyway, I'm jealous! P.S. Please do not send any diffs about the way I wrote T-shirt. ;) -- Darrin Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.stilyagin.com/
Re: rapid response to ordering :-)
On 11/4/05, Brandon Mercer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Pete Vickers wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Just to say thanks to all involved. I ordered my 3.8CDs on via > > OpenBSD/europe page on tuesday, and they arrived today (friday)... in > > Norway. All in tact and unblemished (as usual). Great service, > > thanks :-) > > Me too! Great work to the entire team. I ordered my set on sunday, > maybe saturday and I have them today, friday! Looking forwarding to > showcasing OpenBSD at my hackathon on the 23rd. > Brandon > > Hmmm, I ordered mine over 2 weeks ago and still haven't seen them. Probably stuck somewhere with the good old USPS. Greg
Re: rapid response to ordering :-)
Pete Vickers wrote: > Hi, > > Just to say thanks to all involved. I ordered my 3.8CDs on via > OpenBSD/europe page on tuesday, and they arrived today (friday)... in > Norway. All in tact and unblemished (as usual). Great service, > thanks :-) Me too! Great work to the entire team. I ordered my set on sunday, maybe saturday and I have them today, friday! Looking forwarding to showcasing OpenBSD at my hackathon on the 23rd. Brandon
rapid response to ordering :-)
Hi, Just to say thanks to all involved. I ordered my 3.8CDs on via OpenBSD/europe page on tuesday, and they arrived today (friday)... in Norway. All in tact and unblemished (as usual). Great service, thanks :-) /Pete
