[MoLiCo] Fw: WARNING: Tensions Rise Across America
Friends of ALIPAC, It takes a great deal to get my blood pressure up these days after all of the horror I've witnessed due to illegal immigration and the fact our own government has been hijacked at the top! But today, I ask you to watch and listen carefully and understand what these new stories mean for us all. First, please do not post or circulate the protest sign that reads We will shoot more police in Arizona till we get free? We cannot prove that is a fake, but several of our supporting activists feel the picture is a hoax and has been altered. You can see our full discussions here and make your own determination. Our ruling is that the sign is problematic and we cannot document a source, therefore it should not be further circulated. Sign discussion at this link http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-197478.html With that out of the way, we need to do our best to make sure everyone in America knows about and understands what just happened with two stories. In California, students wearing clothing with American flags were sent home while students wearing Mexican flags were allowed to stay in class. It is my strong personal opinion that school administrators sent the Hispanic kids wearing American flags home because of the clear and present danger of violence against them. The next day, many of the Mexican kids walked out to protest the insult they felt the kids wearing American flags had delivered by wearing such a racist symbol as the American flag. At another school, a kid is in trouble for tearing down a Mexican flag and we are receiving word of another story where someone burned a Mexican flag in or near school. War may be upon us in our own land and our school children may be on the front lines. IF THESE STORIES DO NOT MAKE IT CLEAR TO OUR FELLOW AMERICANS WHAT WE FACE THEN I DO NOT KNOW WHAT WILL! Story Details at... Five Students Wearing U.S. Flag Shirts Sent Home http://www.alipac.us/article-5232-thread-1-0.html Mexican flag display causes flap at Klein Collins High http://www.alipac.us/article-5236-thread-1-0.html While we try not to put to much in one e-mail, because we know our busy supporters will not always read to the end, I hope you are still reading. We regret to inform everyone that Hollywood just released a movie into theaters on the weekend of Cinco de Mayo that glorifies and encourages illegal aliens to take up arms against Americans. While some will claim this movie is a spoof, you need to watch the trailer yourself. The movie is about an illegal alien that gets double crossed after accepting a commission to murder an American politician that is driving illegal aliens out of our country. The protagonists then lead an army of machete and AK-47 wielding illegal aliens in a violent uprising. In Central and South America, the machete is a symbol of violent revolt. Many of us are greatly concerned that the introduction of this propaganda film, at this time, with the specific threat against the state of Arizona could greatly increase the chances of violent harm against Americans by illegal aliens. Here is the trailer of the film... MACHETE Illegal Trailer X HD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FMvT3g8MxE Please spread the word far and wide about these items. If you would like to comment about any of these items, please do so at ALIPAC via this link... http://www.alipac.us/ftopicp-1057510.html#1057510 Sincerely, William Gheen President of Americans for Legal Immigration PAC ALIPAC www.alipac.us Americans for Legal Immigration PAC ALIPAC | PO Box 30966 | Raleigh | NC | 27622 -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
Re: [MoLiCo] Fw: The mosque at ground zero
Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am YHVH your Elohim. --- Leviticus 24:22 Err... on what legal pretext do you want to bar people from building a mosque on PRIVAT E PROPERTY in Manhattan? As far as I can see, no public money is going to this. It is not at ground zero but two blocks away. It is not public property and it is not sacred ground and in any case, sacred to whom? Do you happen to know the religious identities of EVERY PERSON who died that day in the World Trade Centers and on the aircraft? We do not live in a country where it is forbidden to build mosques, nor even where it is forbidden for people who only pretend to be Christian to build churches. If it is supportable to deny this mosque in this spot, then it is supportable to forbid any religious or cultural institution anywhere and someday it could be YOUR church forbidden because it is not an acceptable church--- the reason that many of America's early colonists came here in the first place. And this is just vapid ranting: In a Fox NY channel 5 interview on Thursday, a 9/11 firefighter Tim Brown described the mosque project as, a Trojan horse being rolled into our most sacred ground. He asked the mosque's imam, Feisal Abdul Rauf, where did Rauf get the reported $4.85 million in cash to purchase the building? Needless to say, that question was never answered in full; Rauf would say only that the cash came from “members of the community.” Cathi and I are members of the church in Springfield where our daughter was baptized. The church recently purchased adjoining land for expanding charitable activities. Where do you think the money came from? Members of the community, and, if anyone demanded to know the exact donors and amounts, I see no reason the church should reveal it and a double standard is not supported. Sincerely, Eric Vought Faith does not absolve us from trying to understand our world and make moral distinctions with the eyes and brain given us. Religion is as much responsibility as direction: Duty not Distinction. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
Re: [MoLiCo] Fw: The mosque at ground zero
Well jerry if the government is telling a factual story 14 out of the 19 were saudi arabian and educated by their government run system and yet we still look upon that nation as a friend. let me know when you want to get serious about terrorism. As for Islam it is like any other religion that has its fruitcakes, but all of the whole religion is not out to destroy this nation. As for a Mosque in NYC that is exactly why the 1st amendment exist unless you want to rewrite the constitution. On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Jerry Blevins jb...@mchsi.com wrote: Well Eric you need an education on Islam and also you need to understand who our enemy is and who it was that flew the planes into the towers, if you can come up with that, then come back and tell me you believe what you just said. Jerry -Original Message- From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalit...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Vought Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 5:38 PM To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [MoLiCo] Fw: The mosque at ground zero Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am YHVH your Elohim. --- Leviticus 24:22 Err... on what legal pretext do you want to bar people from building a mosque on PRIVAT E PROPERTY in Manhattan? As far as I can see, no public money is going to this. It is not at ground zero but two blocks away. It is not public property and it is not sacred ground and in any case, sacred to whom? Do you happen to know the religious identities of EVERY PERSON who died that day in the World Trade Centers and on the aircraft? We do not live in a country where it is forbidden to build mosques, nor even where it is forbidden for people who only pretend to be Christian to build churches. If it is supportable to deny this mosque in this spot, then it is supportable to forbid any religious or cultural institution anywhere and someday it could be YOUR church forbidden because it is not an acceptable church--- the reason that many of America's early colonists came here in the first place. And this is just vapid ranting: In a Fox NY channel 5 interview on Thursday, a 9/11 firefighter Tim Brown described the mosque project as, a Trojan horse being rolled into our most sacred ground. He asked the mosque's imam, Feisal Abdul Rauf, where did Rauf get the reported $4.85 million in cash to purchase the building? Needless to say, that question was never answered in full; Rauf would say only that the cash came from members of the community. Cathi and I are members of the church in Springfield where our daughter was baptized. The church recently purchased adjoining land for expanding charitable activities. Where do you think the money came from? Members of the community, and, if anyone demanded to know the exact donors and amounts, I see no reason the church should reveal it and a double standard is not supported. Sincerely, Eric Vought Faith does not absolve us from trying to understand our world and make moral distinctions with the eyes and brain given us. Religion is as much responsibility as direction: Duty not Distinction. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Goethe www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
Re: [MoLiCo] Fw: The mosque at ground zero
According to the 9/11 Commission Report: All the suspected hijackers were from Saudi Arabia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia (fifteen hijackers), United Arab Emirateshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_Emirates(two hijackers), Lebanon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanon (one hijacker) and Egypthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt(one hijacker). Saudi Arabia remains one of the United States' allies in the region, and relations between the two countries go back as far as 1931 when the US first extended diplomatic recognition. In 1945 President Roosevelt and King Abdul Saud met on board a ship to discuss relations between the two countries. Since then, the two have maintained close relations for economic reasons and political reasons. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijackers_in_the_September_11_attacks On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Jerry Blevins jb...@mchsi.com wrote: Well Eric you need an education on Islam and also you need to understand who our enemy is and who it was that flew the planes into the towers, if you can come up with that, then come back and tell me you believe what you just said. Jerry -Original Message- From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalit...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Vought Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 5:38 PM To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [MoLiCo] Fw: The mosque at ground zero Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am YHVH your Elohim. --- Leviticus 24:22 Err... on what legal pretext do you want to bar people from building a mosque on PRIVAT E PROPERTY in Manhattan? As far as I can see, no public money is going to this. It is not at ground zero but two blocks away. It is not public property and it is not sacred ground and in any case, sacred to whom? Do you happen to know the religious identities of EVERY PERSON who died that day in the World Trade Centers and on the aircraft? We do not live in a country where it is forbidden to build mosques, nor even where it is forbidden for people who only pretend to be Christian to build churches. If it is supportable to deny this mosque in this spot, then it is supportable to forbid any religious or cultural institution anywhere and someday it could be YOUR church forbidden because it is not an acceptable church--- the reason that many of America's early colonists came here in the first place. And this is just vapid ranting: In a Fox NY channel 5 interview on Thursday, a 9/11 firefighter Tim Brown described the mosque project as, a Trojan horse being rolled into our most sacred ground. He asked the mosque's imam, Feisal Abdul Rauf, where did Rauf get the reported $4.85 million in cash to purchase the building? Needless to say, that question was never answered in full; Rauf would say only that the cash came from members of the community. Cathi and I are members of the church in Springfield where our daughter was baptized. The church recently purchased adjoining land for expanding charitable activities. Where do you think the money came from? Members of the community, and, if anyone demanded to know the exact donors and amounts, I see no reason the church should reveal it and a double standard is not supported. Sincerely, Eric Vought Faith does not absolve us from trying to understand our world and make moral distinctions with the eyes and brain given us. Religion is as much responsibility as direction: Duty not Distinction. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
RE: [MoLiCo] Fw: The mosque at ground zero
Tom: You too, need to do your home work and the study on Islam. Jerry From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalit...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Martz Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 2:41 PM To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [MoLiCo] Fw: The mosque at ground zero Well jerry if the government is telling a factual story 14 out of the 19 were saudi arabian and educated by their government run system and yet we still look upon that nation as a friend. let me know when you want to get serious about terrorism. As for Islam it is like any other religion that has its fruitcakes, but all of the whole religion is not out to destroy this nation. As for a Mosque in NYC that is exactly why the 1st amendment exist unless you want to rewrite the constitution. On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Jerry Blevins jb...@mchsi.com wrote: Well Eric you need an education on Islam and also you need to understand who our enemy is and who it was that flew the planes into the towers, if you can come up with that, then come back and tell me you believe what you just said. Jerry -Original Message- From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalit...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Vought Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 5:38 PM To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [MoLiCo] Fw: The mosque at ground zero Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am YHVH your Elohim. --- Leviticus 24:22 Err... on what legal pretext do you want to bar people from building a mosque on PRIVAT E PROPERTY in Manhattan? As far as I can see, no public money is going to this. It is not at ground zero but two blocks away. It is not public property and it is not sacred ground and in any case, sacred to whom? Do you happen to know the religious identities of EVERY PERSON who died that day in the World Trade Centers and on the aircraft? We do not live in a country where it is forbidden to build mosques, nor even where it is forbidden for people who only pretend to be Christian to build churches. If it is supportable to deny this mosque in this spot, then it is supportable to forbid any religious or cultural institution anywhere and someday it could be YOUR church forbidden because it is not an acceptable church--- the reason that many of America's early colonists came here in the first place. And this is just vapid ranting: In a Fox NY channel 5 interview on Thursday, a 9/11 firefighter Tim Brown described the mosque project as, a Trojan horse being rolled into our most sacred ground. He asked the mosque's imam, Feisal Abdul Rauf, where did Rauf get the reported $4.85 million in cash to purchase the building? Needless to say, that question was never answered in full; Rauf would say only that the cash came from members of the community. Cathi and I are members of the church in Springfield where our daughter was baptized. The church recently purchased adjoining land for expanding charitable activities. Where do you think the money came from? Members of the community, and, if anyone demanded to know the exact donors and amounts, I see no reason the church should reveal it and a double standard is not supported. Sincerely, Eric Vought Faith does not absolve us from trying to understand our world and make moral distinctions with the eyes and brain given us. Religion is as much responsibility as direction: Duty not Distinction. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Goethe www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for
Re: [MoLiCo] Fw: The mosque at ground zero
I have a couple of friends who practice the faith as of yet I still have my head. On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Jerry Blevins jb...@mchsi.com wrote: Tom: You too, need to do your home work and the study on Islam. Jerry *From:* missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto: missourilibertycoalit...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Martz *Sent:* Tuesday, May 11, 2010 2:41 PM *To:* missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [MoLiCo] Fw: The mosque at ground zero Well jerry if the government is telling a factual story 14 out of the 19 were saudi arabian and educated by their government run system and yet we still look upon that nation as a friend. let me know when you want to get serious about terrorism. As for Islam it is like any other religion that has its fruitcakes, but all of the whole religion is not out to destroy this nation. As for a Mosque in NYC that is exactly why the 1st amendment exist unless you want to rewrite the constitution. On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Jerry Blevins jb...@mchsi.com wrote: Well Eric you need an education on Islam and also you need to understand who our enemy is and who it was that flew the planes into the towers, if you can come up with that, then come back and tell me you believe what you just said. Jerry -Original Message- From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalit...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Vought Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 5:38 PM To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [MoLiCo] Fw: The mosque at ground zero Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am YHVH your Elohim. --- Leviticus 24:22 Err... on what legal pretext do you want to bar people from building a mosque on PRIVAT E PROPERTY in Manhattan? As far as I can see, no public money is going to this. It is not at ground zero but two blocks away. It is not public property and it is not sacred ground and in any case, sacred to whom? Do you happen to know the religious identities of EVERY PERSON who died that day in the World Trade Centers and on the aircraft? We do not live in a country where it is forbidden to build mosques, nor even where it is forbidden for people who only pretend to be Christian to build churches. If it is supportable to deny this mosque in this spot, then it is supportable to forbid any religious or cultural institution anywhere and someday it could be YOUR church forbidden because it is not an acceptable church--- the reason that many of America's early colonists came here in the first place. And this is just vapid ranting: In a Fox NY channel 5 interview on Thursday, a 9/11 firefighter Tim Brown described the mosque project as, a Trojan horse being rolled into our most sacred ground. He asked the mosque's imam, Feisal Abdul Rauf, where did Rauf get the reported $4.85 million in cash to purchase the building? Needless to say, that question was never answered in full; Rauf would say only that the cash came from members of the community. Cathi and I are members of the church in Springfield where our daughter was baptized. The church recently purchased adjoining land for expanding charitable activities. Where do you think the money came from? Members of the community, and, if anyone demanded to know the exact donors and amounts, I see no reason the church should reveal it and a double standard is not supported. Sincerely, Eric Vought Faith does not absolve us from trying to understand our world and make moral distinctions with the eyes and brain given us. Religion is as much responsibility as direction: Duty not Distinction. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Goethe www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ -- This
Re: [MoLiCo] Fw: The mosque at ground zero
On May 11, 2010, at 2:36 PM, Jerry Blevins wrote: Well Eric you need an education on Islam and also you need to understand who our enemy is and who it was that flew the planes into the towers, if you can come up with that, then come back and tell me you believe what you just said. I believe that if we do not follow our own law, we are not WORTH saving. Sincerely, Eric Vought Faith does not absolve us from trying to understand our world and make moral distinctions with the eyes and brain given us. Religion is as much responsibility as direction: Duty not Distinction. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
Re: [MoLiCo] Fw: The mosque at ground zero
I have a couple of friends who practice Islam, too. One lives two streets away from me with his beautiful family in our wonderful neighborhood. I've had them over for a dinner party and they didn't leave any bombs in my house or even try to cut off my head. Go figure. On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Tom Martz t.ma...@gmail.com wrote: I have a couple of friends who practice the faith as of yet I still have my head. On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Jerry Blevins jb...@mchsi.com wrote: Tom: You too, need to do your home work and the study on Islam. Jerry *From:* missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto: missourilibertycoalit...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Martz *Sent:* Tuesday, May 11, 2010 2:41 PM *To:* missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [MoLiCo] Fw: The mosque at ground zero Well jerry if the government is telling a factual story 14 out of the 19 were saudi arabian and educated by their government run system and yet we still look upon that nation as a friend. let me know when you want to get serious about terrorism. As for Islam it is like any other religion that has its fruitcakes, but all of the whole religion is not out to destroy this nation. As for a Mosque in NYC that is exactly why the 1st amendment exist unless you want to rewrite the constitution. On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Jerry Blevins jb...@mchsi.com wrote: Well Eric you need an education on Islam and also you need to understand who our enemy is and who it was that flew the planes into the towers, if you can come up with that, then come back and tell me you believe what you just said. Jerry -Original Message- From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalit...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Vought Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 5:38 PM To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [MoLiCo] Fw: The mosque at ground zero Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am YHVH your Elohim. --- Leviticus 24:22 Err... on what legal pretext do you want to bar people from building a mosque on PRIVAT E PROPERTY in Manhattan? As far as I can see, no public money is going to this. It is not at ground zero but two blocks away. It is not public property and it is not sacred ground and in any case, sacred to whom? Do you happen to know the religious identities of EVERY PERSON who died that day in the World Trade Centers and on the aircraft? We do not live in a country where it is forbidden to build mosques, nor even where it is forbidden for people who only pretend to be Christian to build churches. If it is supportable to deny this mosque in this spot, then it is supportable to forbid any religious or cultural institution anywhere and someday it could be YOUR church forbidden because it is not an acceptable church--- the reason that many of America's early colonists came here in the first place. And this is just vapid ranting: In a Fox NY channel 5 interview on Thursday, a 9/11 firefighter Tim Brown described the mosque project as, a Trojan horse being rolled into our most sacred ground. He asked the mosque's imam, Feisal Abdul Rauf, where did Rauf get the reported $4.85 million in cash to purchase the building? Needless to say, that question was never answered in full; Rauf would say only that the cash came from members of the community. Cathi and I are members of the church in Springfield where our daughter was baptized. The church recently purchased adjoining land for expanding charitable activities. Where do you think the money came from? Members of the community, and, if anyone demanded to know the exact donors and amounts, I see no reason the church should reveal it and a double standard is not supported. Sincerely, Eric Vought Faith does not absolve us from trying to understand our world and make moral distinctions with the eyes and brain given us. Religion is as much responsibility as direction: Duty not Distinction. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Goethe www.moliberty.org
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I guess we're fortunate, Tom, because as everyone who's anyone knows, every single person who practices Islam is going to freak out and kill us all. Good thing they don't say that about us, especially with this in our Bible: *If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death.* (Leviticus 20:10 NLT) *'Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.'* (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT) *Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants.* (Isaiah 14:21 NAB) ** Context is everything. --- On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Tom Martz t.ma...@gmail.com wrote: well Deb perhaps we are fortunate to still be able to wear a collared shirt, but be on the lookout the change may come without any provocation. On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 4:17 PM, D L Wells kcrecyc...@gmail.com wrote: I have a couple of friends who practice Islam, too. One lives two streets away from me with his beautiful family in our wonderful neighborhood. I've had them over for a dinner party and they didn't leave any bombs in my house or even try to cut off my head. Go figure. On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Tom Martz t.ma...@gmail.com wrote: I have a couple of friends who practice the faith as of yet I still have my head. On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Jerry Blevins jb...@mchsi.com wrote: Tom: You too, need to do your home work and the study on Islam. Jerry *From:* missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto: missourilibertycoalit...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Martz *Sent:* Tuesday, May 11, 2010 2:41 PM *To:* missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [MoLiCo] Fw: The mosque at ground zero Well jerry if the government is telling a factual story 14 out of the 19 were saudi arabian and educated by their government run system and yet we still look upon that nation as a friend. let me know when you want to get serious about terrorism. As for Islam it is like any other religion that has its fruitcakes, but all of the whole religion is not out to destroy this nation. As for a Mosque in NYC that is exactly why the 1st amendment exist unless you want to rewrite the constitution. On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Jerry Blevins jb...@mchsi.com wrote: Well Eric you need an education on Islam and also you need to understand who our enemy is and who it was that flew the planes into the towers, if you can come up with that, then come back and tell me you believe what you just said. Jerry -Original Message- From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalit...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Vought Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 5:38 PM To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [MoLiCo] Fw: The mosque at ground zero Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am YHVH your Elohim. --- Leviticus 24:22 Err... on what legal pretext do you want to bar people from building a mosque on PRIVAT E PROPERTY in Manhattan? As far as I can see, no public money is going to this. It is not at ground zero but two blocks away. It is not public property and it is not sacred ground and in any case, sacred to whom? Do you happen to know the religious identities of EVERY PERSON who died that day in the World Trade Centers and on the aircraft? We do not live in a country where it is forbidden to build mosques, nor even where it is forbidden for people who only pretend to be Christian to build churches. If it is supportable to deny this mosque in this spot, then it is supportable to forbid any religious or cultural institution anywhere and someday it could be YOUR church forbidden because it is not an acceptable church--- the reason that many of America's early colonists came here in the first place. And this is just vapid ranting: In a Fox NY channel 5 interview on Thursday, a 9/11 firefighter Tim Brown described the mosque project as, a Trojan horse being rolled into our most sacred ground. He asked the mosque's imam, Feisal Abdul Rauf, where did Rauf get the reported $4.85 million in cash to purchase the building? Needless to say, that question was never answered in full; Rauf would say only that the cash came from members of the community. Cathi and I are members of the church in Springfield where our daughter was baptized. The church recently purchased adjoining land for expanding charitable activities. Where do you think the money came from? Members of the community, and, if anyone demanded to know the exact donors and
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yes but this is the old testament we don't no longer follows this portion of the Bible or anyother other for that matter. Perhaps when I'm around my muslim friends I should wear my shrouded steel neck band just in case. tom On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 5:37 PM, D L Wells kcrecyc...@gmail.com wrote: I guess we're fortunate, Tom, because as everyone who's anyone knows, every single person who practices Islam is going to freak out and kill us all. Good thing they don't say that about us, especially with this in our Bible: *If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death.* (Leviticus 20:10 NLT) *'Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.'* (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT) *Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants.* (Isaiah 14:21 NAB) ** Context is everything. --- On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Tom Martz t.ma...@gmail.com wrote: well Deb perhaps we are fortunate to still be able to wear a collared shirt, but be on the lookout the change may come without any provocation. On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 4:17 PM, D L Wells kcrecyc...@gmail.com wrote: I have a couple of friends who practice Islam, too. One lives two streets away from me with his beautiful family in our wonderful neighborhood. I've had them over for a dinner party and they didn't leave any bombs in my house or even try to cut off my head. Go figure. On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Tom Martz t.ma...@gmail.com wrote: I have a couple of friends who practice the faith as of yet I still have my head. On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Jerry Blevins jb...@mchsi.com wrote: Tom: You too, need to do your home work and the study on Islam. Jerry *From:* missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto: missourilibertycoalit...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Martz *Sent:* Tuesday, May 11, 2010 2:41 PM *To:* missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [MoLiCo] Fw: The mosque at ground zero Well jerry if the government is telling a factual story 14 out of the 19 were saudi arabian and educated by their government run system and yet we still look upon that nation as a friend. let me know when you want to get serious about terrorism. As for Islam it is like any other religion that has its fruitcakes, but all of the whole religion is not out to destroy this nation. As for a Mosque in NYC that is exactly why the 1st amendment exist unless you want to rewrite the constitution. On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Jerry Blevins jb...@mchsi.com wrote: Well Eric you need an education on Islam and also you need to understand who our enemy is and who it was that flew the planes into the towers, if you can come up with that, then come back and tell me you believe what you just said. Jerry -Original Message- From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalit...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Vought Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 5:38 PM To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [MoLiCo] Fw: The mosque at ground zero Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am YHVH your Elohim. --- Leviticus 24:22 Err... on what legal pretext do you want to bar people from building a mosque on PRIVAT E PROPERTY in Manhattan? As far as I can see, no public money is going to this. It is not at ground zero but two blocks away. It is not public property and it is not sacred ground and in any case, sacred to whom? Do you happen to know the religious identities of EVERY PERSON who died that day in the World Trade Centers and on the aircraft? We do not live in a country where it is forbidden to build mosques, nor even where it is forbidden for people who only pretend to be Christian to build churches. If it is supportable to deny this mosque in this spot, then it is supportable to forbid any religious or cultural institution anywhere and someday it could be YOUR church forbidden because it is not an acceptable church--- the reason that many of America's early colonists came here in the first place. And this is just vapid ranting: In a Fox NY channel 5 interview on Thursday, a 9/11 firefighter Tim Brown described the mosque project as, a Trojan horse being rolled into our most sacred ground. He asked the mosque's imam, Feisal Abdul Rauf, where did Rauf get the reported $4.85 million in cash to purchase the building? Needless to say, that question was never answered in full; Rauf would say only that the cash came
