Re: [ronpaul-29] Fwd: Your not going to like this one!!!!!!!!
On Apr 11, 2009, at 11:12 PM, Tom Martz wrote: Your right anyone that espouses that mindset is a little off their rocker. Ahh... but most people do not just send political emails and the political emails are not what I am worried about. Having worked in data security, I have gotten a bit more perspective on what crooks can use to do damage. Let's say they get an email where I am negotiating to buy 400 pounds of sodium hydroxide (lye). I must be starting a meth lab, right? Of course, because their computer is only picking out the emails that match either lye, bomb or ron paul, they don't bother to find out that we make soap (and that soap is made from lye). Now I get to explain that in a little room after my farm has been raided, my dog is dead for having gotten in the way and my 4-year-old daughter has been thrown to the ground and terrorized by men with guns. Or, let's say I send an email telling my Aunt Marge where we will be going on vacation, how long, and where my daughter will be staying. The government gets this email, it goes into their little database, some teenager with too much time on their hands breaks into the government database and sells the data in bulk to criminals... including a child smuggling ring and a bunch of common everyday thieves. I get back from vacation, my house has been emptied (again) and my daughter is gone. How could you send my daughter with a bunch of strangers?!! Well, they had a bunch of information about where you were, he said he was your brother-in-law and pulled out an anecdote from your wedding where I saw him 10 years ago. Some gal has the misfortune to date and then break up with a cop. He digs through the database and finds emails between her and her new boyfriend. He goes to the new guy's boss and just asks some questions about the guy (and has enough information to make the questions really pointed). Doesn't ever suggest anything, but leaves the impression that the guy is the target of a terrorism investigation. Guy loses his job. Some local guy is killed with a 20-gauge shotgun. Instead of actually investigating the crime and trying to find out who might have wanted this guy dead or who might have been at the scene, they just comb their database of financial records, emails, and random junk for anyone in the area that owns or might own a 20-gauge shotgun, bring them in and harass them. After putting one of them in jail for the crime of not being able to produce the gun they knew he had because he discussed 20-gauge ammunition in an email, they discover that the person who committed the crime lived in Arkansas and that the gun had been stolen anyway. A guy is running for local office and the in-crowd needs dirt. They snoop on his emails and find one that is *almost* incriminating. They edit it just a touch and then just happen upon it and arrest him. Since he does not routinely use digital signatures on his emails, he cannot prove that they modified it. They have no other evidence, so the charges eventually get dropped... after he loses the election (sounds like what just happened in Alaska, doesn't it?). None of this information is subversive, but it is all dangerous in the wrong hands. You are right: I make no secret of my political position. Hell, it is posted on a dozen websites. That is not what we should be afraid of. That is perhaps the LEAST important information we have to protect. If people use protective technology routinely then: 1) They don't have to think about whether something is worth protecting or not. I was taught at the Pentagon and in the business world to treat every sneeze as important and then you won't slip up and let something slip you should not. 2) It will be harder for the Feds (or criminals) to do traffic analyses to figure out what is 'important'. If you only encrypt emails with financial information then the crooks know exactly what to decrypt. If you only shred important documents then it is that much easier to put them back together. If your old bank statements are shredded and mixed in with an old cookie recipe, that makes the job *much* harder. They can spend hours piecing together to find out how much butter to add. 3) People who are in sensitive positions politically (e.g. investigating abuses at a local jail) will not stick out if they use protective technology. They will be lost in the noise of all the other encrypted messages. Do you put all of your mail on a postcard for everyone to read or do you usually use an envelope? Why? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be
Fwd: Your not going to like this one!!!!!!!!
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/42779197.html Keep the government from snooping in our e-mail *By Examiner Editorial* - 4/9/09 *Civilian libertarians were apoplectic over former President George W. Bush’s “warrantless wiretap” program, which sought to monitor communications from terrorist networks overseas. So why are they not screaming bloody murder now that President Barack Obama appears slated to receive unprecedented power to monitor all Internet traffic without a warrant and to even shut the system down completely on the pretext of national security? The Cybersecurity Act of 2009 - introduced by Senate Intelligence Committee chairman Jay Rockefeller, D-WV, and cosponsor Olympia Snowe, R-ME - bypasses all existing privacy laws and allows White House political operatives to tap into any online communication without a warrant, including banking, medical, and business records and personal e-mail conversations. This amounts to warrantless wiretaps on steroids, directed at U.S. citizens instead of foreign terrorists. * *The bill gives the Secretary of Commerce and a new national cybersecurity czar power to shut down all Internet transmissions in the event of a yet-to-be defined “cyber emergency.” This is a dangerous power, even for a president who in a 2008 campaign appearance at Dartmouth College harshly criticized Bush for anti-terrorist “wiretaps without warrants,” and promised that if elected he would leave such policies behind.* *There’s no doubt that serious deficiencies in cyber security remain a major threat to national security. Just this week, The Wall Street Journal reported that our electric grid has already been penetrated by Russian and Chinese hackers. But centralized eavesdropping in Washington and government licensing of cyber- security specialists is exactly the wrong approach. Jennifer Granick, director of civil liberties at the Electronic Frontier Foundation, says such an approach would actually make the Internet even more vulnerable by “basically establish[ing] a path for the bad guys to skip down.” The best response to increasing cyber threats, then, is less centralization - not more. This bill, which is a full frontal assault on our First Amendment rights, should be deleted from the congressional agenda immediately. Americans should tell President Obama and members of Congress in no uncertain terms that their cyber-security agents will get inside our e-mail only after they pry our cold, dead hands away from our keypads.* __._,_.___ Messages in this topic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Obamination-Abomination/message/1096;_ylc=X3oDMTM1NGx1dWRnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIzNDg5MjY0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTQwNTM2OARtc2dJZAMxMDk2BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTIzOTQ4MDQ4MgR0cGNJZAMxMDk2( 1) Reply (via web post) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Obamination-Abomination/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJxMXRlNjVyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIzNDg5MjY0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTQwNTM2OARtc2dJZAMxMDk2BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTIzOTQ4MDQ4Mg--?act=replymessageNum=1096| Start a new topic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Obamination-Abomination/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJmYjZxbDRjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIzNDg5MjY0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTQwNTM2OARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEyMzk0ODA0ODI- Messageshttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Obamination-Abomination/messages;_ylc=X3oDMTJmOWE3Nm1jBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIzNDg5MjY0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTQwNTM2OARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNtc2dzBHN0aW1lAzEyMzk0ODA0ODI-| Fileshttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Obamination-Abomination/files;_ylc=X3oDMTJnbnI2NGFyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIzNDg5MjY0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTQwNTM2OARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNmaWxlcwRzdGltZQMxMjM5NDgwNDgy| Photoshttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Obamination-Abomination/photos;_ylc=X3oDMTJmNGdlNXQzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIzNDg5MjY0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTQwNTM2OARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNwaG90BHN0aW1lAzEyMzk0ODA0ODI-| Linkshttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Obamination-Abomination/links;_ylc=X3oDMTJncWZqMW1nBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIzNDg5MjY0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTQwNTM2OARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNsaW5rcwRzdGltZQMxMjM5NDgwNDgy| Databasehttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Obamination-Abomination/database;_ylc=X3oDMTJkMW8xcDI0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIzNDg5MjY0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTQwNTM2OARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNkYgRzdGltZQMxMjM5NDgwNDgy| Pollshttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Obamination-Abomination/polls;_ylc=X3oDMTJnbG8xOWxuBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIzNDg5MjY0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTQwNTM2OARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNwb2xscwRzdGltZQMxMjM5NDgwNDgy| Calendarhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Obamination-Abomination/calendar;_ylc=X3oDMTJlNmFjOWoxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIzNDg5MjY0BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTQwNTM2OARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNjYWwEc3RpbWUDMTIzOTQ4MDQ4Mg-- MARKETPLACE -- From kitchen basics to easy recipes - join the Group from Kraft Foods
Re: [ronpaul-29] Fwd: Your not going to like this one!!!!!!!!
Your right anyone that espouses that mindset is a little off their rocker. On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 11:09 PM, larmelt...@aol.com wrote: *I personally don't care if the Government snoops into my email. Fact is. I wish they would read my emails. But they don't.* *I can tell Roy Blunt or Oboma that they are as dumb as a three old African baby in person or by email. Don't matter to me. It would be easier to tell them by email because it is hard to find them so Ya can talk to them in person.* *What makes to difference. They don't understand either way.* *Even Greg Burris cant understand plain English. Written or spoken. So what is the problem here?* *If I thought the FBI or CIA or some ABC boys would get my email to Oboma I would write emails like a duck on a June bug.* *Take this email. Oboma is a terrorist and Roy Blunt is screwing you by using the IRS code to live off of your money.* *Want'a bet? This email will fall off the face of the earth and no one will give a crap.* *Support the Fairtax and remove the IRS.* *Larry Melton* ** In a message dated 4/11/2009 3:22:51 PM Central Daylight Time, evou...@pobox.com writes: On Apr 11, 2009, at 3:13 PM, tom wrote: Keep the government from snooping in our e-mail By Examiner Editorial - 4/9/09 Civilian libertarians were apoplectic over former President George W. Bush’s “warrantless wiretap” program, which sought to monitor communications from terrorist networks overseas. So why are they not screaming bloody murder now that President Barack Obama appears slated to receive unprecedented power to monitor all Internet traffic without a warrant and to even shut the system down completely on the pretext of national security? The Cybersecurity Act of 2009 - introduced by Senate Intelligence Committee chairman Jay Rockefeller, D-WV, and cosponsor Olympia Snowe, R-ME - bypasses all existing privacy laws and allows White House political operatives to tap into any online communication without a warrant, including banking, medical, and business records and personal e-mail conversations. This amounts to warrantl [snipped] Yes, we need to oppose this, but we also need to simply make it harder. More people need to routinely use personal encryption products everywhere they can. This will make it much more labor intensive to gather this kind of information and police will actually have to perform old-fashioned police work to decide what information it is really necessary to pursue. Additionally, using this personal encryption helps prevent criminals from piggy-backing on police surveillance and data-mining for identity theft and scams: Anything the government collects, CRIMINALS WILL HAVE. ** -- *A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps!http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220572838x1201387489/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooterNO62%22 * -- http://votetom4council.webs.com/ www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ http://www.radiofreeliberty.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
