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Please take me off your email list. Thank you From: Jeremy D. Young jeremydyo...@sbcglobal.net To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, November 14, 2010 3:54:14 PM Subject: Re: [MoLiCo] Fw: Fwd: PASS THIS ALONG TO EVERYONE! One of the things that everyone should remember is that most people and organizations are neither good 100% of the time, nor evil 100% of the time. The Republican party is an excellent example of this. When they are the minority, they oppose the oppression of the big government Democrats mightily, and make us have hope that they are the party we want them to be. However, when they have the majority for too long, corruption inevitably creeps in, and things go badly. The ACLU is an organization that I would not say is primarily good or bad, but it fights certain fights, primarily in court, and frequently over what seems like technicalities in the law. Most often, however, they do come down upon the side of an individual who is being persecuted or discriminated against based upon something other than what that individual has done. They often fight for the rights of people that they disagree with, in a principled manner. Often the enemies of the public, such as individuals who identify themselves as homosexual or muslim, have had their rights trampled upon, and the general public does not want to come to those individuals' aid. The bottom line is that most issues of morality are not able to be argued in court. Under the law, people have the right to be immoral, and to make self destructive choices. The line has to be drawn where they infringe upon someone else's rights, not where the individual makes bad choices. I believe it is foolish and morally wrong to use the force of law to coerce someone to be what the majority considers to be moral. Especially since the only requirement is outward compliance, and a true change of heart is not actually secured in this manner. I will not be doing with Progressive Insurance, just because I have another insurance company already. Obviously, Peter Lewis should have the right to give money to any political organization he desires, and people should be able to make decisions on who they do business with as well. Jeremy D. Young On 11/14/2010 01:20 PM, Eric Vought wrote: On Nov 14, 2010, at 8:33 AM, CathyM wrote: Tom They may say this on their website but can you name me the last time the ACLU had a BIG case that hit the papers defending Christianity? I look at ACLU like I do the HSUS – they both preach on their websites things that I never see them do in public. Most of the crap is there to get people to still contribute and believe they are for what they claim while in secret their agendas/actions prove different. They have been heavily involved alongside the EFF (Electronic Frontier Foundation) in the lawsuits against the federal government over the NSA illegal wiretaps, and over misuse of National Security Letters. I consider this defense of freedom to benefit everyone, including Christians (as these things have been misused against alleged Christian militias). For the most part, when the ACLU is on a side I agree with, generally the EFF is standing with them. Therefore, I tend to be more ready to support the EFF directly rather than the ACLU. But the ACLU does do good things on occasion. I often use their postings to alert me of issues and then go do my own investigation. It would be nice if they got their heads out of their rectums on other issues, but you go with what you can get. Sincerely, Eric Vought Faith does not absolve us from trying to understand our world and make moral distinctions with the eyes and brain given us. Religion is as much responsibility as direction: Duty not Distinction. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
RE: [MoLiCo] Fw: Fwd: PASS THIS ALONG TO EVERYONE!
Are we saying here that we should support the ACLU Jerry From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalit...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Martz Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 10:46 PM To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [MoLiCo] Fw: Fwd: PASS THIS ALONG TO EVERYONE! Let's not forget the ACLU also comes to the defense of Christians and Christianity http://www.aclu.org/aclu-defense-religious-practice-and-expression On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Linda Herd linda.h...@sbcglobal.net wrote: - Forwarded Message From: pamejo2...@aol.com pamejo2...@aol.com To: linda.h...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Sat, November 13, 2010 3:57:53 PM Subject: Fwd: PASS THIS ALONG TO EVERYONE! -Original Message- From: deb3...@aol.com To: deb3...@aol.com Sent: Thu, Nov 11, 2010 10:14 pm Subject: PASS THIS ALONG TO EVERYONE! Please forward this one on to everyone on your e-mail list... Important FYI - PROGRESSIVE AUTO INSURANCE This is a heads up regarding Progressive Auto Insurance. You know who they are. They're the ones with the clever television ads featuring the perky brunette actress all dressed in white. What you might not know is that the Chairman of Progressive is Peter Lewis, one of the major funders of leftist causes in America. Between 2001 and 2003, Lewis funneled $15 million to the ACLU, the group most responsible for destroying what's left of America's Christian heritage. Lewis also gave $12.5 million to MoveOn.org and America Coming Together, two key propaganda arms of the socialist left. His funding for these groups was conditional on matching contributions from George Soros, the America-hating socialist and chief financier of the Obama political machine. Lewis made a fortune as a result of capitalism, but now finances a progressive movement that threatens to destroy the American free enterprise system that is targeting television shows on Fox News. Peter Lewis is making a fortune off of conservative Americans so that he can help dismantle the very system that made him wealthy. He's banking on no one finding out who he is. Please boycott Progressive Insurance. Let's get the word out! Verify at Snopes: http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/peterlewis.asp -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Goethe www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
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Tom They may say this on their website but can you name me the last time the ACLU had a BIG case that hit the papers defending Christianity? I look at ACLU like I do the HSUS - they both preach on their websites things that I never see them do in public. Most of the crap is there to get people to still contribute and believe they are for what they claim while in secret their agendas/actions prove different. CathyM Catren's Shar Pei Catren's Leather Show Accessories November 16, 2009 HSUS CEO, Wayne Pacelle, made the suggestion: ...every responsible breeder is a puppy miller, every family farmer is a factory farmer and every responsible hunter is a poacher. This is what HSUS really thinks about anyone involved with animals! Don't donate and don't believe them when HSUS says they protect animals. Kill The Killing Fields Bills of the HSUS http://www.americanssupportinganimalownership.com/ www.americanssupportinganimalownership.com From: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto:missourilibertycoalit...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Martz Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2010 10:46 PM To: missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [MoLiCo] Fw: Fwd: PASS THIS ALONG TO EVERYONE! Let's not forget the ACLU also comes to the defense of Christians and Christianity http://www.aclu.org/aclu-defense-religious-practice-and-expression On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Linda Herd linda.h...@sbcglobal.net wrote: - Forwarded Message From: pamejo2...@aol.com pamejo2...@aol.com To: linda.h...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Sat, November 13, 2010 3:57:53 PM Subject: Fwd: PASS THIS ALONG TO EVERYONE! -Original Message- From: deb3...@aol.com To: deb3...@aol.com Sent: Thu, Nov 11, 2010 10:14 pm Subject: PASS THIS ALONG TO EVERYONE! Please forward this one on to everyone on your e-mail list... Important FYI - PROGRESSIVE AUTO INSURANCE This is a heads up regarding Progressive Auto Insurance. You know who they are. They're the ones with the clever television ads featuring the perky brunette actress all dressed in white. What you might not know is that the Chairman of Progressive is Peter Lewis, one of the major funders of leftist causes in America. Between 2001 and 2003, Lewis funneled $15 million to the ACLU, the group most responsible for destroying what's left of America's Christian heritage. Lewis also gave $12.5 million to MoveOn.org and America Coming Together, two key propaganda arms of the socialist left. His funding for these groups was conditional on matching contributions from George Soros, the America-hating socialist and chief financier of the Obama political machine. Lewis made a fortune as a result of capitalism, but now finances a progressive movement that threatens to destroy the American free enterprise system that is targeting television shows on Fox News. Peter Lewis is making a fortune off of conservative Americans so that he can help dismantle the very system that made him wealthy. He's banking on no one finding out who he is. Please boycott Progressive Insurance. Let's get the word out! Verify at Snopes: http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/peterlewis.asp -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Goethe www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG
Re: [MoLiCo] Fw: Fwd: PASS THIS ALONG TO EVERYONE!
Deb, I guess you didn't look on the link provided on the many cases where the ACLU has come to the aid of Christians and/or Christianity. Just because people like Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh, Borrtz, NY Times, FOXNews, don't cover it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 8:33 AM, CathyM catr...@juno.com wrote: Tom They may say this on their website but can you name me the last time the ACLU had a BIG case that hit the papers defending Christianity? I look at ACLU like I do the HSUS – they both preach on their websites things that I never see them do in public. Most of the crap is there to get people to still contribute and believe they are for what they claim while in secret their agendas/actions prove different. *CathyM* *Catren's Shar Pei* *Catren's Leather Show Accessories* *November 16, 2009 HSUS CEO, Wayne Pacelle, made the suggestion: ...every **responsible breeder is a puppy miller, every **family farmer is a factory farmer and every **responsible hunter **is a poacher. This is what HSUS really thinks about anyone involved with animals! Don't donate and don't believe them when HSUS says they protect animals. * Kill The Killing Fields Bills of the HSUS www.americanssupportinganimalownership.com * * *From:* missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com [mailto: missourilibertycoalit...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Tom Martz *Sent:* Saturday, November 13, 2010 10:46 PM *To:* missourilibertycoalition@googlegroups.com *Subject:* Re: [MoLiCo] Fw: Fwd: PASS THIS ALONG TO EVERYONE! Let's not forget the ACLU also comes to the defense of Christians and Christianity http://www.aclu.org/aclu-defense-religious-practice-and-expression On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Linda Herd linda.h...@sbcglobal.net wrote: - Forwarded Message *From:* pamejo2...@aol.com pamejo2...@aol.com *To:* linda.h...@sbcglobal.net *Sent:* Sat, November 13, 2010 3:57:53 PM *Subject:* Fwd: PASS THIS ALONG TO EVERYONE! -Original Message- From: deb3...@aol.com To: deb3...@aol.com Sent: Thu, Nov 11, 2010 10:14 pm Subject: PASS THIS ALONG TO EVERYONE! Please forward this one on to everyone on your e-mail list... Important FYI - PROGRESSIVE AUTO INSURANCE This is a heads up regarding Progressive Auto Insurance. You know who they are. They’re the ones with the clever television ads featuring the perky brunette actress all dressed in white. What you might not know is that the Chairman of Progressive is Peter Lewis, one of the major funders of leftist causes in America. Between 2001 and 2003, Lewis funneled $15 million to the ACLU, the group most responsible for destroying what’s left of America’s Christian heritage. Lewis also gave $12.5 million to MoveOn.org and America Coming Together, two key propaganda arms of the socialist left. His funding for these groups was conditional on matching contributions from George Soros, the America-hating socialist and chief financier of the Obama political machine. Lewis made a fortune as a result of capitalism, but now finances a progressive movement that threatens to destroy the American free enterprise system that is targeting television shows on Fox News. Peter Lewis is making a fortune off of conservative Americans so that he can help dismantle the very system that made him wealthy. He’s banking on no one finding out who he is. Please boycott Progressive Insurance. Let’s get the word out! Verify at Snopes: http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/peterlewis.asp -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Goethe www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) A legislative act contrary to the Constitution
Re: [MoLiCo] Fw: Fwd: PASS THIS ALONG TO EVERYONE!
On Nov 14, 2010, at 8:43 AM, Jerry Blevins wrote: Are we saying here that we should support the ACLU I do, to a limited extent. The ACLU has been in a battle for years against illegal wiretaps, illegal military tribunals, abuse of NSLs, election tinkering (including electronic voting machines), the Unconstitutional FISA expansions, etc. I would not be ashamed to stand next to them on any of these issues. When they are on the side of personal freedom, the Constitution, and limitations on government, I support them. When they are not, I don't. Sincerely, Eric Vought Faith does not absolve us from trying to understand our world and make moral distinctions with the eyes and brain given us. Religion is as much responsibility as direction: Duty not Distinction. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
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On Nov 14, 2010, at 8:33 AM, CathyM wrote: Tom They may say this on their website but can you name me the last time the ACLU had a BIG case that hit the papers defending Christianity? I look at ACLU like I do the HSUS – they both preach on their websites things that I never see them do in public. Most of the crap is there to get people to still contribute and believe they are for what they claim while in secret their agendas/actions prove different. They have been heavily involved alongside the EFF (Electronic Frontier Foundation) in the lawsuits against the federal government over the NSA illegal wiretaps, and over misuse of National Security Letters. I consider this defense of freedom to benefit everyone, including Christians (as these things have been misused against alleged Christian militias). For the most part, when the ACLU is on a side I agree with, generally the EFF is standing with them. Therefore, I tend to be more ready to support the EFF directly rather than the ACLU. But the ACLU does do good things on occasion. I often use their postings to alert me of issues and then go do my own investigation. It would be nice if they got their heads out of their rectums on other issues, but you go with what you can get. Sincerely, Eric Vought Faith does not absolve us from trying to understand our world and make moral distinctions with the eyes and brain given us. Religion is as much responsibility as direction: Duty not Distinction. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
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One of the things that everyone should remember is that most people and organizations are neither good 100% of the time, nor evil 100% of the time. The Republican party is an excellent example of this. When they are the minority, they oppose the oppression of the big government Democrats mightily, and make us have hope that they are the party we want them to be. However, when they have the majority for too long, corruption inevitably creeps in, and things go badly. The ACLU is an organization that I would not say is primarily good or bad, but it fights certain fights, primarily in court, and frequently over what seems like technicalities in the law. Most often, however, they do come down upon the side of an individual who is being persecuted or discriminated against based upon something other than what that individual has done. They often fight for the rights of people that they disagree with, in a principled manner. Often the enemies of the public, such as individuals who identify themselves as homosexual or muslim, have had their rights trampled upon, and the general public does not want to come to those individuals' aid. The bottom line is that most issues of morality are not able to be argued in court. Under the law, people have the right to be immoral, and to make self destructive choices. The line has to be drawn where they infringe upon someone else's rights, not where the individual makes bad choices. I believe it is foolish and morally wrong to use the force of law to coerce someone to be what the majority considers to be moral. Especially since the only requirement is outward compliance, and a true change of heart is not actually secured in this manner. I will not be doing with Progressive Insurance, just because I have another insurance company already. Obviously, Peter Lewis should have the right to give money to any political organization he desires, and people should be able to make decisions on who they do business with as well. Jeremy D. Young On 11/14/2010 01:20 PM, Eric Vought wrote: On Nov 14, 2010, at 8:33 AM, CathyM wrote: Tom They may say this on their website but can you name me the last time the ACLU had a BIG case that hit the papers defending Christianity? I look at ACLU like I do the HSUS – they both preach on their websites things that I never see them do in public. Most of the crap is there to get people to still contribute and believe they are for what they claim while in secret their agendas/actions prove different. They have been heavily involved alongside the EFF (Electronic Frontier Foundation) in the lawsuits against the federal government over the NSA illegal wiretaps, and over misuse of National Security Letters. I consider this defense of freedom to benefit everyone, including Christians (as these things have been misused against alleged Christian militias). For the most part, when the ACLU is on a side I agree with, generally the EFF is standing with them. Therefore, I tend to be more ready to support the EFF directly rather than the ACLU. But the ACLU does do good things on occasion. I often use their postings to alert me of issues and then go do my own investigation. It would be nice if they got their heads out of their rectums on other issues, but you go with what you can get. Sincerely, Eric Vought Faith does not absolve us from trying to understand our world and make moral distinctions with the eyes and brain given us. Religion is as much responsibility as direction: Duty not Distinction. -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
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Let's not forget the ACLU also comes to the defense of Christians and Christianity http://www.aclu.org/aclu-defense-religious-practice-and-expression On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Linda Herd linda.h...@sbcglobal.netwrote: - Forwarded Message *From:* pamejo2...@aol.com pamejo2...@aol.com *To:* linda.h...@sbcglobal.net *Sent:* Sat, November 13, 2010 3:57:53 PM *Subject:* Fwd: PASS THIS ALONG TO EVERYONE! -Original Message- From: deb3...@aol.com To: deb3...@aol.com Sent: Thu, Nov 11, 2010 10:14 pm Subject: PASS THIS ALONG TO EVERYONE! Please forward this one on to everyone on your e-mail list... Important FYI - PROGRESSIVE AUTO INSURANCE This is a heads up regarding Progressive Auto Insurance. You know who they are. They’re the ones with the clever television ads featuring the perky brunette actress all dressed in white. What you might not know is that the Chairman of Progressive is Peter Lewis, one of the major funders of leftist causes in America. Between 2001 and 2003, Lewis funneled $15 million to the ACLU, the group most responsible for destroying what’s left of America’s Christian heritage. Lewis also gave $12.5 million to MoveOn.org and America Coming Together, two key propaganda arms of the socialist left. His funding for these groups was conditional on matching contributions from George Soros, the America-hating socialist and chief financier of the Obama political machine. Lewis made a fortune as a result of capitalism, but now finances a progressive movement that threatens to destroy the American free enterprise system that is targeting television shows on Fox News. Peter Lewis is making a fortune off of conservative Americans so that he can help dismantle the very system that made him wealthy. He’s banking on no one finding out who he is. Please boycott Progressive Insurance. Let’s get the word out! Verify at Snopes: http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/peterlewis.asp -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever. -- no cause is lost if there is but one fool to fight for it ~Will Turner~ ~Pirate's of the Caribbean @ World's End~ None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ~Goethe www.moliberty.org http://417-political-pundit.blogspot.com The power to tax involves the power to destroy. ~Justice John Marshall~ Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you! -Pericles (430 B.C.) A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. ~Justice John Marshall~ -- This is a Free Speech forum. The owner of this list assumes no responsibility for the intellectual or emotional maturity of its members. If you do not like what is being said here, filter it to trash, ignore it or leave. If you leave, learn how to do this for yourself. If you do not, you will be here forever.
