Re: [WikimediaMobile] Apps for Kindle and Windows

[Yuvi Panda]

On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 6:52 AM, Joaquin Oltra Hernandez
 wrote:
>> I've also floated the idea of cleaning up / replacing the experimental
>> Firefox OS app (which is based on our old PhoneGap app code) and using a
>> modernized HTML5+JS app for both Firefox OS and Windows 10 Tablet/Mobile.
>> Nobody's bitten on the idea yet, but I think it might be better than trying
>> to separately spin up resources for multiple minority mobile OSs.
>
>
> Where is such phonegap app? I'm very interested in building a web client and
> have already been doing so for the last 2 hackathons (T106275) and I'm
> working on it thinking mobile first.
>
> I would be very interested in checking the feature set of the old phonegap
> app and when good enough, making an effort to package something like that
> web client for firefoxOS & windows phone.

As someone who spent a good amount of time on the PhoneGap app's
codebase a long time ago, I would suggest running screaming away from
that codebase and starting afresh any experiments you might want to
do.

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Re: [WikimediaMobile] Apps for Kindle and Windows

[Stephen Niedzielski]

  Slightly off topic but Blackberry also has a suite of Android tools where
you basically repackage an .apk as a .bar and it magically works via on
device Android emulation. I've used it previously and it worked well
overall.


--stephen

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Joaquin Oltra Hernandez <
jhernan...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> It would be interesting to try it, if anything to see if the performance
> is acceptable.
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Dmitry Brant  wrote:
>
>> I've just received access to the beta of the Windows Android Bridge[1],
>> which will supposedly allow Android apps to run on Windows 10 Mobile with
>> very little modification. In fact, most of the bridge functionality has to
>> do with providing interop functions that replace Google Play services,
>> which we don't use anyway.
>>
>> I'll also mention that Microsoft has an equivalent bridge for iOS apps
>> (which they've recently open-sourced[2]) that should allow existing iOS
>> apps to run on Windows Phone.
>>
>> My concern, however, would be that our Android app (or iOS app) would
>> look really out of place if it ran unmodified within the ecosystem of
>> Windows 10 Mobile, meaning that we would still need to devote significant
>> design and engineering resources to make the app look like it "belongs" on
>> this platform...
>>
>>
>> [1] http://uwp.dev.windows.com/en-us/uwp-bridges/android/
>> [2] https://github.com/Microsoft/WinObjC/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 6:29 AM, Joaquin Oltra Hernandez <
>> jhernan...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the link Adam, there's interesting context there.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Adam Baso  wrote:
>>>
 My understanding is: in part, although people who were on the mobile
 team during the most active part of these projects are probably best
 situated to speak to it. There's also this page that has some historical
 information:

 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Apps/Wikipedia/Hybrid_notes

 -Adam





 On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 7:41 AM, Stephane Bisson >>> > wrote:

> Is the firefox os wikipedia app that's currently out there based on
> the old phonegap app?
>
> https://marketplace.firefox.com/app/wikipedia/
>
> https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/admin/projects/apps/firefox/wikipedia
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Michael Holloway <
> mhollo...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
>> The old PhoneGap app repo lives here on GitHub:
>> https://github.com/wikimedia/WikipediaMobile
>>
>> (I haven't touched it and can't speak to its current state.)
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Joaquin Oltra Hernandez <
>> jhernan...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I've also floated the idea of cleaning up / replacing the
 experimental Firefox OS app (which is based on our old PhoneGap app 
 code)
 and using a modernized HTML5+JS app for both Firefox OS and Windows 10
 Tablet/Mobile. Nobody's bitten on the idea yet, but I think it might be
 better than trying to separately spin up resources for multiple 
 minority
 mobile OSs.
>>>
>>>
>>> Where is such phonegap app? I'm very interested in building a web
>>> client and have already been doing so for the last 2 hackathons
>>>  (T106275
>>> ) and I'm working on it
>>> thinking mobile first.
>>>
>>> I would be very interested in checking the feature set of the old
>>> phonegap app and when good enough, making an effort to package something
>>> like that web client for firefoxOS & windows phone.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 4:10 AM, Stephen Niedzielski <
>>> sniedziel...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>>
   Hey! I believe we update the Wikipedia for Fire OS (Android)
 app[0] whenever a production version has fully rolled out on Play, 
 although
 we don't offer the Beta[2] on Appstore. I can see they're both 
 currently at
 the latest and greatest. I don't have Fire device presently, but if you
 highlight a term for sharing and have Wikipedia installed, you should 
 get
 the option to search with the app. I *thought* there was also some
 additional platform level support for Wikipedia lookups built by 
 Amazon but
 I might be mistaken.


 --stephen

 [0] https://www.amazon.com/gp/mas/dl/android?p=org.wikipedia
 [1] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.wikipedia
 [2]
 https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.wikipedia.beta

 On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 7:42 PM, Pine W 
 wrote:

> Hi Brion,
>
> Ok, thanks.
>
> Is the Wikipedia app promoted to Kin

Re: [WikimediaMobile] Apps for Kindle and Windows

[Joaquin Oltra Hernandez]

It would be interesting to try it, if anything to see if the performance is
acceptable.

On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Dmitry Brant  wrote:

> I've just received access to the beta of the Windows Android Bridge[1],
> which will supposedly allow Android apps to run on Windows 10 Mobile with
> very little modification. In fact, most of the bridge functionality has to
> do with providing interop functions that replace Google Play services,
> which we don't use anyway.
>
> I'll also mention that Microsoft has an equivalent bridge for iOS apps
> (which they've recently open-sourced[2]) that should allow existing iOS
> apps to run on Windows Phone.
>
> My concern, however, would be that our Android app (or iOS app) would look
> really out of place if it ran unmodified within the ecosystem of Windows 10
> Mobile, meaning that we would still need to devote significant design and
> engineering resources to make the app look like it "belongs" on this
> platform...
>
>
> [1] http://uwp.dev.windows.com/en-us/uwp-bridges/android/
> [2] https://github.com/Microsoft/WinObjC/
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 6:29 AM, Joaquin Oltra Hernandez <
> jhernan...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the link Adam, there's interesting context there.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Adam Baso  wrote:
>>
>>> My understanding is: in part, although people who were on the mobile
>>> team during the most active part of these projects are probably best
>>> situated to speak to it. There's also this page that has some historical
>>> information:
>>>
>>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Apps/Wikipedia/Hybrid_notes
>>>
>>> -Adam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 7:41 AM, Stephane Bisson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Is the firefox os wikipedia app that's currently out there based on the
 old phonegap app?

 https://marketplace.firefox.com/app/wikipedia/

 https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/admin/projects/apps/firefox/wikipedia


 On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Michael Holloway <
 mhollo...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> The old PhoneGap app repo lives here on GitHub:
> https://github.com/wikimedia/WikipediaMobile
>
> (I haven't touched it and can't speak to its current state.)
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Joaquin Oltra Hernandez <
> jhernan...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
>> I've also floated the idea of cleaning up / replacing the
>>> experimental Firefox OS app (which is based on our old PhoneGap app 
>>> code)
>>> and using a modernized HTML5+JS app for both Firefox OS and Windows 10
>>> Tablet/Mobile. Nobody's bitten on the idea yet, but I think it might be
>>> better than trying to separately spin up resources for multiple minority
>>> mobile OSs.
>>
>>
>> Where is such phonegap app? I'm very interested in building a web
>> client and have already been doing so for the last 2 hackathons
>>  (T106275
>> ) and I'm working on it
>> thinking mobile first.
>>
>> I would be very interested in checking the feature set of the old
>> phonegap app and when good enough, making an effort to package something
>> like that web client for firefoxOS & windows phone.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 4:10 AM, Stephen Niedzielski <
>> sniedziel...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>
>>>   Hey! I believe we update the Wikipedia for Fire OS (Android)
>>> app[0] whenever a production version has fully rolled out on Play, 
>>> although
>>> we don't offer the Beta[2] on Appstore. I can see they're both 
>>> currently at
>>> the latest and greatest. I don't have Fire device presently, but if you
>>> highlight a term for sharing and have Wikipedia installed, you should 
>>> get
>>> the option to search with the app. I *thought* there was also some
>>> additional platform level support for Wikipedia lookups built by Amazon 
>>> but
>>> I might be mistaken.
>>>
>>>
>>> --stephen
>>>
>>> [0] https://www.amazon.com/gp/mas/dl/android?p=org.wikipedia
>>> [1] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.wikipedia
>>> [2] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.wikipedia.beta
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 7:42 PM, Pine W  wrote:
>>>
 Hi Brion,

 Ok, thanks.

 Is the Wikipedia app promoted to Kindle Fire users very much? It
 would be interesting if highlighting a term in a Kindle book or 
 newspaper
 would take the user to a Wikipedia or Wiktionary article for 
 definitions
 and background info.

 I wonder if Microsoft would be willing to support Wikipedia app
 development for Windows with Microsoft financing or in-kind 
 contribution of
 developer time. Any thoughts?

 Pine

Re: [WikimediaMobile] Apps for Kindle and Windows

[Dmitry Brant]

I've just received access to the beta of the Windows Android Bridge[1],
which will supposedly allow Android apps to run on Windows 10 Mobile with
very little modification. In fact, most of the bridge functionality has to
do with providing interop functions that replace Google Play services,
which we don't use anyway.

I'll also mention that Microsoft has an equivalent bridge for iOS apps
(which they've recently open-sourced[2]) that should allow existing iOS
apps to run on Windows Phone.

My concern, however, would be that our Android app (or iOS app) would look
really out of place if it ran unmodified within the ecosystem of Windows 10
Mobile, meaning that we would still need to devote significant design and
engineering resources to make the app look like it "belongs" on this
platform...


[1] http://uwp.dev.windows.com/en-us/uwp-bridges/android/
[2] https://github.com/Microsoft/WinObjC/



On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 6:29 AM, Joaquin Oltra Hernandez <
jhernan...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Thanks for the link Adam, there's interesting context there.
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Adam Baso  wrote:
>
>> My understanding is: in part, although people who were on the mobile team
>> during the most active part of these projects are probably best situated to
>> speak to it. There's also this page that has some historical information:
>>
>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Apps/Wikipedia/Hybrid_notes
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 7:41 AM, Stephane Bisson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Is the firefox os wikipedia app that's currently out there based on the
>>> old phonegap app?
>>>
>>> https://marketplace.firefox.com/app/wikipedia/
>>>
>>> https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/admin/projects/apps/firefox/wikipedia
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Michael Holloway <
>>> mhollo...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>>
 The old PhoneGap app repo lives here on GitHub:
 https://github.com/wikimedia/WikipediaMobile

 (I haven't touched it and can't speak to its current state.)

 On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Joaquin Oltra Hernandez <
 jhernan...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> I've also floated the idea of cleaning up / replacing the experimental
>> Firefox OS app (which is based on our old PhoneGap app code) and using a
>> modernized HTML5+JS app for both Firefox OS and Windows 10 Tablet/Mobile.
>> Nobody's bitten on the idea yet, but I think it might be better than 
>> trying
>> to separately spin up resources for multiple minority mobile OSs.
>
>
> Where is such phonegap app? I'm very interested in building a web
> client and have already been doing so for the last 2 hackathons
>  (T106275
> ) and I'm working on it
> thinking mobile first.
>
> I would be very interested in checking the feature set of the old
> phonegap app and when good enough, making an effort to package something
> like that web client for firefoxOS & windows phone.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 4:10 AM, Stephen Niedzielski <
> sniedziel...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
>>   Hey! I believe we update the Wikipedia for Fire OS (Android) app[0]
>> whenever a production version has fully rolled out on Play, although we
>> don't offer the Beta[2] on Appstore. I can see they're both currently at
>> the latest and greatest. I don't have Fire device presently, but if you
>> highlight a term for sharing and have Wikipedia installed, you should get
>> the option to search with the app. I *thought* there was also some
>> additional platform level support for Wikipedia lookups built by Amazon 
>> but
>> I might be mistaken.
>>
>>
>> --stephen
>>
>> [0] https://www.amazon.com/gp/mas/dl/android?p=org.wikipedia
>> [1] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.wikipedia
>> [2] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.wikipedia.beta
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 7:42 PM, Pine W  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Brion,
>>>
>>> Ok, thanks.
>>>
>>> Is the Wikipedia app promoted to Kindle Fire users very much? It
>>> would be interesting if highlighting a term in a Kindle book or 
>>> newspaper
>>> would take the user to a Wikipedia or Wiktionary article for definitions
>>> and background info.
>>>
>>> I wonder if Microsoft would be willing to support Wikipedia app
>>> development for Windows with Microsoft financing or in-kind 
>>> contribution of
>>> developer time. Any thoughts?
>>>
>>> Pine
>>> On Jul 25, 2015 6:08 PM, "Brion Vibber" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 5:56 PM, Pine W 
 wrote:

> Hi Mobilizers,
>
> 1. Do you think it would make sense to develop a Wikipedia app for
> Kindle, or to encourage Amazon to do so or financially spons

Re: [WikimediaMobile] Apps for Kindle and Windows

[Joaquin Oltra Hernandez]

Thanks for the link Adam, there's interesting context there.

On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Adam Baso  wrote:

> My understanding is: in part, although people who were on the mobile team
> during the most active part of these projects are probably best situated to
> speak to it. There's also this page that has some historical information:
>
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Apps/Wikipedia/Hybrid_notes
>
> -Adam
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 7:41 AM, Stephane Bisson 
> wrote:
>
>> Is the firefox os wikipedia app that's currently out there based on the
>> old phonegap app?
>>
>> https://marketplace.firefox.com/app/wikipedia/
>>
>> https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/admin/projects/apps/firefox/wikipedia
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Michael Holloway <
>> mhollo...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>
>>> The old PhoneGap app repo lives here on GitHub:
>>> https://github.com/wikimedia/WikipediaMobile
>>>
>>> (I haven't touched it and can't speak to its current state.)
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Joaquin Oltra Hernandez <
>>> jhernan...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>>
 I've also floated the idea of cleaning up / replacing the experimental
> Firefox OS app (which is based on our old PhoneGap app code) and using a
> modernized HTML5+JS app for both Firefox OS and Windows 10 Tablet/Mobile.
> Nobody's bitten on the idea yet, but I think it might be better than 
> trying
> to separately spin up resources for multiple minority mobile OSs.


 Where is such phonegap app? I'm very interested in building a web
 client and have already been doing so for the last 2 hackathons
  (T106275
 ) and I'm working on it
 thinking mobile first.

 I would be very interested in checking the feature set of the old
 phonegap app and when good enough, making an effort to package something
 like that web client for firefoxOS & windows phone.

 Thoughts?

 On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 4:10 AM, Stephen Niedzielski <
 sniedziel...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

>   Hey! I believe we update the Wikipedia for Fire OS (Android) app[0]
> whenever a production version has fully rolled out on Play, although we
> don't offer the Beta[2] on Appstore. I can see they're both currently at
> the latest and greatest. I don't have Fire device presently, but if you
> highlight a term for sharing and have Wikipedia installed, you should get
> the option to search with the app. I *thought* there was also some
> additional platform level support for Wikipedia lookups built by Amazon 
> but
> I might be mistaken.
>
>
> --stephen
>
> [0] https://www.amazon.com/gp/mas/dl/android?p=org.wikipedia
> [1] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.wikipedia
> [2] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.wikipedia.beta
>
> On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 7:42 PM, Pine W  wrote:
>
>> Hi Brion,
>>
>> Ok, thanks.
>>
>> Is the Wikipedia app promoted to Kindle Fire users very much? It
>> would be interesting if highlighting a term in a Kindle book or newspaper
>> would take the user to a Wikipedia or Wiktionary article for definitions
>> and background info.
>>
>> I wonder if Microsoft would be willing to support Wikipedia app
>> development for Windows with Microsoft financing or in-kind contribution 
>> of
>> developer time. Any thoughts?
>>
>> Pine
>> On Jul 25, 2015 6:08 PM, "Brion Vibber" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 5:56 PM, Pine W  wrote:
>>>
 Hi Mobilizers,

 1. Do you think it would make sense to develop a Wikipedia app for
 Kindle, or to encourage Amazon to do so or financially sponsor its
 development?

>>>
>>> Kindle Fire devices are Android-based and can run the existing
>>> Android Wikipedia app. The bare-bones e-ink Kindle readers are another
>>> story perhaps. :)
>>>
>>>
 2. Same questions for Windows and Microsoft, especially considering
 the Windows 10 launch.

>>>
>>> I did an experimental JavaScript/WinJS-based Windows tablet app back
>>> for the Windows 8 launch, which is still in the Windows Store but needs 
>>> to
>>> be cleaned up for Windows 10 or perhaps killed and replaced. :)
>>>
>>> Windows 10 will also have a Mobile edition for phones 'and small
>>> tablets'; there's a unified app platform between desktop and mobile on
>>> Windows 10 so it should be possible to adapt the tablet app to run on
>>> phones (or rewrite it entirely to run on both!)
>>>
>>>
>>> There's also been some talk about using the framework Microsoft has
>>> put together for porting Android apps to Windows 10 Mobile, but I don't
>>> think anybody has a good handle on how tri

Re: [WikimediaMobile] Apps for Kindle and Windows

[Adam Baso]

My understanding is: in part, although people who were on the mobile team
during the most active part of these projects are probably best situated to
speak to it. There's also this page that has some historical information:

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Apps/Wikipedia/Hybrid_notes

-Adam





On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 7:41 AM, Stephane Bisson 
wrote:

> Is the firefox os wikipedia app that's currently out there based on the
> old phonegap app?
>
> https://marketplace.firefox.com/app/wikipedia/
>
> https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/admin/projects/apps/firefox/wikipedia
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Michael Holloway <
> mhollo...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
>> The old PhoneGap app repo lives here on GitHub:
>> https://github.com/wikimedia/WikipediaMobile
>>
>> (I haven't touched it and can't speak to its current state.)
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Joaquin Oltra Hernandez <
>> jhernan...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I've also floated the idea of cleaning up / replacing the experimental
 Firefox OS app (which is based on our old PhoneGap app code) and using a
 modernized HTML5+JS app for both Firefox OS and Windows 10 Tablet/Mobile.
 Nobody's bitten on the idea yet, but I think it might be better than trying
 to separately spin up resources for multiple minority mobile OSs.
>>>
>>>
>>> Where is such phonegap app? I'm very interested in building a web client and
>>> have already been doing so for the last 2 hackathons
>>>  (T106275
>>> ) and I'm working on it
>>> thinking mobile first.
>>>
>>> I would be very interested in checking the feature set of the old
>>> phonegap app and when good enough, making an effort to package something
>>> like that web client for firefoxOS & windows phone.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 4:10 AM, Stephen Niedzielski <
>>> sniedziel...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>>
   Hey! I believe we update the Wikipedia for Fire OS (Android) app[0]
 whenever a production version has fully rolled out on Play, although we
 don't offer the Beta[2] on Appstore. I can see they're both currently at
 the latest and greatest. I don't have Fire device presently, but if you
 highlight a term for sharing and have Wikipedia installed, you should get
 the option to search with the app. I *thought* there was also some
 additional platform level support for Wikipedia lookups built by Amazon but
 I might be mistaken.


 --stephen

 [0] https://www.amazon.com/gp/mas/dl/android?p=org.wikipedia
 [1] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.wikipedia
 [2] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.wikipedia.beta

 On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 7:42 PM, Pine W  wrote:

> Hi Brion,
>
> Ok, thanks.
>
> Is the Wikipedia app promoted to Kindle Fire users very much? It would
> be interesting if highlighting a term in a Kindle book or newspaper would
> take the user to a Wikipedia or Wiktionary article for definitions and
> background info.
>
> I wonder if Microsoft would be willing to support Wikipedia app
> development for Windows with Microsoft financing or in-kind contribution 
> of
> developer time. Any thoughts?
>
> Pine
> On Jul 25, 2015 6:08 PM, "Brion Vibber"  wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 5:56 PM, Pine W  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Mobilizers,
>>>
>>> 1. Do you think it would make sense to develop a Wikipedia app for
>>> Kindle, or to encourage Amazon to do so or financially sponsor its
>>> development?
>>>
>>
>> Kindle Fire devices are Android-based and can run the existing
>> Android Wikipedia app. The bare-bones e-ink Kindle readers are another
>> story perhaps. :)
>>
>>
>>> 2. Same questions for Windows and Microsoft, especially considering
>>> the Windows 10 launch.
>>>
>>
>> I did an experimental JavaScript/WinJS-based Windows tablet app back
>> for the Windows 8 launch, which is still in the Windows Store but needs 
>> to
>> be cleaned up for Windows 10 or perhaps killed and replaced. :)
>>
>> Windows 10 will also have a Mobile edition for phones 'and small
>> tablets'; there's a unified app platform between desktop and mobile on
>> Windows 10 so it should be possible to adapt the tablet app to run on
>> phones (or rewrite it entirely to run on both!)
>>
>>
>> There's also been some talk about using the framework Microsoft has
>> put together for porting Android apps to Windows 10 Mobile, but I don't
>> think anybody has a good handle on how tricky that will be to use, or the
>> cost-benefit of working on Windows 10 Mobile in general.
>>
>> I've also floated the idea of cleaning up / replacing the
>> experimental Firefox OS app (which is based on our old PhoneGap app code)
>> and using

Re: [WikimediaMobile] Apps for Kindle and Windows

[Stephane Bisson]

Is the firefox os wikipedia app that's currently out there based on the old
phonegap app?

https://marketplace.firefox.com/app/wikipedia/

https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/admin/projects/apps/firefox/wikipedia


On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Michael Holloway 
wrote:

> The old PhoneGap app repo lives here on GitHub:
> https://github.com/wikimedia/WikipediaMobile
>
> (I haven't touched it and can't speak to its current state.)
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Joaquin Oltra Hernandez <
> jhernan...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
>> I've also floated the idea of cleaning up / replacing the experimental
>>> Firefox OS app (which is based on our old PhoneGap app code) and using a
>>> modernized HTML5+JS app for both Firefox OS and Windows 10 Tablet/Mobile.
>>> Nobody's bitten on the idea yet, but I think it might be better than trying
>>> to separately spin up resources for multiple minority mobile OSs.
>>
>>
>> Where is such phonegap app? I'm very interested in building a web client and
>> have already been doing so for the last 2 hackathons
>>  (T106275
>> ) and I'm working on it
>> thinking mobile first.
>>
>> I would be very interested in checking the feature set of the old
>> phonegap app and when good enough, making an effort to package something
>> like that web client for firefoxOS & windows phone.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 4:10 AM, Stephen Niedzielski <
>> sniedziel...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>
>>>   Hey! I believe we update the Wikipedia for Fire OS (Android) app[0]
>>> whenever a production version has fully rolled out on Play, although we
>>> don't offer the Beta[2] on Appstore. I can see they're both currently at
>>> the latest and greatest. I don't have Fire device presently, but if you
>>> highlight a term for sharing and have Wikipedia installed, you should get
>>> the option to search with the app. I *thought* there was also some
>>> additional platform level support for Wikipedia lookups built by Amazon but
>>> I might be mistaken.
>>>
>>>
>>> --stephen
>>>
>>> [0] https://www.amazon.com/gp/mas/dl/android?p=org.wikipedia
>>> [1] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.wikipedia
>>> [2] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.wikipedia.beta
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 7:42 PM, Pine W  wrote:
>>>
 Hi Brion,

 Ok, thanks.

 Is the Wikipedia app promoted to Kindle Fire users very much? It would
 be interesting if highlighting a term in a Kindle book or newspaper would
 take the user to a Wikipedia or Wiktionary article for definitions and
 background info.

 I wonder if Microsoft would be willing to support Wikipedia app
 development for Windows with Microsoft financing or in-kind contribution of
 developer time. Any thoughts?

 Pine
 On Jul 25, 2015 6:08 PM, "Brion Vibber"  wrote:

> On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 5:56 PM, Pine W  wrote:
>
>> Hi Mobilizers,
>>
>> 1. Do you think it would make sense to develop a Wikipedia app for
>> Kindle, or to encourage Amazon to do so or financially sponsor its
>> development?
>>
>
> Kindle Fire devices are Android-based and can run the existing Android
> Wikipedia app. The bare-bones e-ink Kindle readers are another story
> perhaps. :)
>
>
>> 2. Same questions for Windows and Microsoft, especially considering
>> the Windows 10 launch.
>>
>
> I did an experimental JavaScript/WinJS-based Windows tablet app back
> for the Windows 8 launch, which is still in the Windows Store but needs to
> be cleaned up for Windows 10 or perhaps killed and replaced. :)
>
> Windows 10 will also have a Mobile edition for phones 'and small
> tablets'; there's a unified app platform between desktop and mobile on
> Windows 10 so it should be possible to adapt the tablet app to run on
> phones (or rewrite it entirely to run on both!)
>
>
> There's also been some talk about using the framework Microsoft has
> put together for porting Android apps to Windows 10 Mobile, but I don't
> think anybody has a good handle on how tricky that will be to use, or the
> cost-benefit of working on Windows 10 Mobile in general.
>
> I've also floated the idea of cleaning up / replacing the experimental
> Firefox OS app (which is based on our old PhoneGap app code) and using a
> modernized HTML5+JS app for both Firefox OS and Windows 10 Tablet/Mobile.
> Nobody's bitten on the idea yet, but I think it might be better than 
> trying
> to separately spin up resources for multiple minority mobile OSs.
>
> -- brion
>

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Re: [WikimediaMobile] Apps for Kindle and Windows

[Michael Holloway]

The old PhoneGap app repo lives here on GitHub:
https://github.com/wikimedia/WikipediaMobile

(I haven't touched it and can't speak to its current state.)

On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Joaquin Oltra Hernandez <
jhernan...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> I've also floated the idea of cleaning up / replacing the experimental
>> Firefox OS app (which is based on our old PhoneGap app code) and using a
>> modernized HTML5+JS app for both Firefox OS and Windows 10 Tablet/Mobile.
>> Nobody's bitten on the idea yet, but I think it might be better than trying
>> to separately spin up resources for multiple minority mobile OSs.
>
>
> Where is such phonegap app? I'm very interested in building a web client and
> have already been doing so for the last 2 hackathons
>  (T106275
> ) and I'm working on it
> thinking mobile first.
>
> I would be very interested in checking the feature set of the old phonegap
> app and when good enough, making an effort to package something like that
> web client for firefoxOS & windows phone.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 4:10 AM, Stephen Niedzielski <
> sniedziel...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
>>   Hey! I believe we update the Wikipedia for Fire OS (Android) app[0]
>> whenever a production version has fully rolled out on Play, although we
>> don't offer the Beta[2] on Appstore. I can see they're both currently at
>> the latest and greatest. I don't have Fire device presently, but if you
>> highlight a term for sharing and have Wikipedia installed, you should get
>> the option to search with the app. I *thought* there was also some
>> additional platform level support for Wikipedia lookups built by Amazon but
>> I might be mistaken.
>>
>>
>> --stephen
>>
>> [0] https://www.amazon.com/gp/mas/dl/android?p=org.wikipedia
>> [1] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.wikipedia
>> [2] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.wikipedia.beta
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 7:42 PM, Pine W  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Brion,
>>>
>>> Ok, thanks.
>>>
>>> Is the Wikipedia app promoted to Kindle Fire users very much? It would
>>> be interesting if highlighting a term in a Kindle book or newspaper would
>>> take the user to a Wikipedia or Wiktionary article for definitions and
>>> background info.
>>>
>>> I wonder if Microsoft would be willing to support Wikipedia app
>>> development for Windows with Microsoft financing or in-kind contribution of
>>> developer time. Any thoughts?
>>>
>>> Pine
>>> On Jul 25, 2015 6:08 PM, "Brion Vibber"  wrote:
>>>
 On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 5:56 PM, Pine W  wrote:

> Hi Mobilizers,
>
> 1. Do you think it would make sense to develop a Wikipedia app for
> Kindle, or to encourage Amazon to do so or financially sponsor its
> development?
>

 Kindle Fire devices are Android-based and can run the existing Android
 Wikipedia app. The bare-bones e-ink Kindle readers are another story
 perhaps. :)


> 2. Same questions for Windows and Microsoft, especially considering
> the Windows 10 launch.
>

 I did an experimental JavaScript/WinJS-based Windows tablet app back
 for the Windows 8 launch, which is still in the Windows Store but needs to
 be cleaned up for Windows 10 or perhaps killed and replaced. :)

 Windows 10 will also have a Mobile edition for phones 'and small
 tablets'; there's a unified app platform between desktop and mobile on
 Windows 10 so it should be possible to adapt the tablet app to run on
 phones (or rewrite it entirely to run on both!)


 There's also been some talk about using the framework Microsoft has put
 together for porting Android apps to Windows 10 Mobile, but I don't think
 anybody has a good handle on how tricky that will be to use, or the
 cost-benefit of working on Windows 10 Mobile in general.

 I've also floated the idea of cleaning up / replacing the experimental
 Firefox OS app (which is based on our old PhoneGap app code) and using a
 modernized HTML5+JS app for both Firefox OS and Windows 10 Tablet/Mobile.
 Nobody's bitten on the idea yet, but I think it might be better than trying
 to separately spin up resources for multiple minority mobile OSs.

 -- brion

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Re: [WikimediaMobile] Apps for Kindle and Windows

[Joaquin Oltra Hernandez]

>
> I've also floated the idea of cleaning up / replacing the experimental
> Firefox OS app (which is based on our old PhoneGap app code) and using a
> modernized HTML5+JS app for both Firefox OS and Windows 10 Tablet/Mobile.
> Nobody's bitten on the idea yet, but I think it might be better than trying
> to separately spin up resources for multiple minority mobile OSs.


Where is such phonegap app? I'm very interested in building a web client and
have already been doing so for the last 2 hackathons
 (T106275
) and I'm working on it thinking
mobile first.

I would be very interested in checking the feature set of the old phonegap
app and when good enough, making an effort to package something like that
web client for firefoxOS & windows phone.

Thoughts?

On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 4:10 AM, Stephen Niedzielski <
sniedziel...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

>   Hey! I believe we update the Wikipedia for Fire OS (Android) app[0]
> whenever a production version has fully rolled out on Play, although we
> don't offer the Beta[2] on Appstore. I can see they're both currently at
> the latest and greatest. I don't have Fire device presently, but if you
> highlight a term for sharing and have Wikipedia installed, you should get
> the option to search with the app. I *thought* there was also some
> additional platform level support for Wikipedia lookups built by Amazon but
> I might be mistaken.
>
>
> --stephen
>
> [0] https://www.amazon.com/gp/mas/dl/android?p=org.wikipedia
> [1] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.wikipedia
> [2] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.wikipedia.beta
>
> On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 7:42 PM, Pine W  wrote:
>
>> Hi Brion,
>>
>> Ok, thanks.
>>
>> Is the Wikipedia app promoted to Kindle Fire users very much? It would be
>> interesting if highlighting a term in a Kindle book or newspaper would take
>> the user to a Wikipedia or Wiktionary article for definitions and
>> background info.
>>
>> I wonder if Microsoft would be willing to support Wikipedia app
>> development for Windows with Microsoft financing or in-kind contribution of
>> developer time. Any thoughts?
>>
>> Pine
>> On Jul 25, 2015 6:08 PM, "Brion Vibber"  wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 5:56 PM, Pine W  wrote:
>>>
 Hi Mobilizers,

 1. Do you think it would make sense to develop a Wikipedia app for
 Kindle, or to encourage Amazon to do so or financially sponsor its
 development?

>>>
>>> Kindle Fire devices are Android-based and can run the existing Android
>>> Wikipedia app. The bare-bones e-ink Kindle readers are another story
>>> perhaps. :)
>>>
>>>
 2. Same questions for Windows and Microsoft, especially considering the
 Windows 10 launch.

>>>
>>> I did an experimental JavaScript/WinJS-based Windows tablet app back for
>>> the Windows 8 launch, which is still in the Windows Store but needs to be
>>> cleaned up for Windows 10 or perhaps killed and replaced. :)
>>>
>>> Windows 10 will also have a Mobile edition for phones 'and small
>>> tablets'; there's a unified app platform between desktop and mobile on
>>> Windows 10 so it should be possible to adapt the tablet app to run on
>>> phones (or rewrite it entirely to run on both!)
>>>
>>>
>>> There's also been some talk about using the framework Microsoft has put
>>> together for porting Android apps to Windows 10 Mobile, but I don't think
>>> anybody has a good handle on how tricky that will be to use, or the
>>> cost-benefit of working on Windows 10 Mobile in general.
>>>
>>> I've also floated the idea of cleaning up / replacing the experimental
>>> Firefox OS app (which is based on our old PhoneGap app code) and using a
>>> modernized HTML5+JS app for both Firefox OS and Windows 10 Tablet/Mobile.
>>> Nobody's bitten on the idea yet, but I think it might be better than trying
>>> to separately spin up resources for multiple minority mobile OSs.
>>>
>>> -- brion
>>>
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Re: [WikimediaMobile] Apps for Kindle and Windows

[Stephen Niedzielski]

  Hey! I believe we update the Wikipedia for Fire OS (Android) app[0]
whenever a production version has fully rolled out on Play, although we
don't offer the Beta[2] on Appstore. I can see they're both currently at
the latest and greatest. I don't have Fire device presently, but if you
highlight a term for sharing and have Wikipedia installed, you should get
the option to search with the app. I *thought* there was also some
additional platform level support for Wikipedia lookups built by Amazon but
I might be mistaken.


--stephen

[0] https://www.amazon.com/gp/mas/dl/android?p=org.wikipedia
[1] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.wikipedia
[2] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.wikipedia.beta

On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 7:42 PM, Pine W  wrote:

> Hi Brion,
>
> Ok, thanks.
>
> Is the Wikipedia app promoted to Kindle Fire users very much? It would be
> interesting if highlighting a term in a Kindle book or newspaper would take
> the user to a Wikipedia or Wiktionary article for definitions and
> background info.
>
> I wonder if Microsoft would be willing to support Wikipedia app
> development for Windows with Microsoft financing or in-kind contribution of
> developer time. Any thoughts?
>
> Pine
> On Jul 25, 2015 6:08 PM, "Brion Vibber"  wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 5:56 PM, Pine W  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Mobilizers,
>>>
>>> 1. Do you think it would make sense to develop a Wikipedia app for
>>> Kindle, or to encourage Amazon to do so or financially sponsor its
>>> development?
>>>
>>
>> Kindle Fire devices are Android-based and can run the existing Android
>> Wikipedia app. The bare-bones e-ink Kindle readers are another story
>> perhaps. :)
>>
>>
>>> 2. Same questions for Windows and Microsoft, especially considering the
>>> Windows 10 launch.
>>>
>>
>> I did an experimental JavaScript/WinJS-based Windows tablet app back for
>> the Windows 8 launch, which is still in the Windows Store but needs to be
>> cleaned up for Windows 10 or perhaps killed and replaced. :)
>>
>> Windows 10 will also have a Mobile edition for phones 'and small
>> tablets'; there's a unified app platform between desktop and mobile on
>> Windows 10 so it should be possible to adapt the tablet app to run on
>> phones (or rewrite it entirely to run on both!)
>>
>>
>> There's also been some talk about using the framework Microsoft has put
>> together for porting Android apps to Windows 10 Mobile, but I don't think
>> anybody has a good handle on how tricky that will be to use, or the
>> cost-benefit of working on Windows 10 Mobile in general.
>>
>> I've also floated the idea of cleaning up / replacing the experimental
>> Firefox OS app (which is based on our old PhoneGap app code) and using a
>> modernized HTML5+JS app for both Firefox OS and Windows 10 Tablet/Mobile.
>> Nobody's bitten on the idea yet, but I think it might be better than trying
>> to separately spin up resources for multiple minority mobile OSs.
>>
>> -- brion
>>
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Re: [WikimediaMobile] Apps for Kindle and Windows

[Pine W]

Hi Brion,

Ok, thanks.

Is the Wikipedia app promoted to Kindle Fire users very much? It would be
interesting if highlighting a term in a Kindle book or newspaper would take
the user to a Wikipedia or Wiktionary article for definitions and
background info.

I wonder if Microsoft would be willing to support Wikipedia app development
for Windows with Microsoft financing or in-kind contribution of developer
time. Any thoughts?

Pine
On Jul 25, 2015 6:08 PM, "Brion Vibber"  wrote:

> On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 5:56 PM, Pine W  wrote:
>
>> Hi Mobilizers,
>>
>> 1. Do you think it would make sense to develop a Wikipedia app for
>> Kindle, or to encourage Amazon to do so or financially sponsor its
>> development?
>>
>
> Kindle Fire devices are Android-based and can run the existing Android
> Wikipedia app. The bare-bones e-ink Kindle readers are another story
> perhaps. :)
>
>
>> 2. Same questions for Windows and Microsoft, especially considering the
>> Windows 10 launch.
>>
>
> I did an experimental JavaScript/WinJS-based Windows tablet app back for
> the Windows 8 launch, which is still in the Windows Store but needs to be
> cleaned up for Windows 10 or perhaps killed and replaced. :)
>
> Windows 10 will also have a Mobile edition for phones 'and small tablets';
> there's a unified app platform between desktop and mobile on Windows 10 so
> it should be possible to adapt the tablet app to run on phones (or rewrite
> it entirely to run on both!)
>
>
> There's also been some talk about using the framework Microsoft has put
> together for porting Android apps to Windows 10 Mobile, but I don't think
> anybody has a good handle on how tricky that will be to use, or the
> cost-benefit of working on Windows 10 Mobile in general.
>
> I've also floated the idea of cleaning up / replacing the experimental
> Firefox OS app (which is based on our old PhoneGap app code) and using a
> modernized HTML5+JS app for both Firefox OS and Windows 10 Tablet/Mobile.
> Nobody's bitten on the idea yet, but I think it might be better than trying
> to separately spin up resources for multiple minority mobile OSs.
>
> -- brion
>
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[Brion Vibber]

On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 5:56 PM, Pine W  wrote:

> Hi Mobilizers,
>
> 1. Do you think it would make sense to develop a Wikipedia app for Kindle,
> or to encourage Amazon to do so or financially sponsor its development?
>

Kindle Fire devices are Android-based and can run the existing Android
Wikipedia app. The bare-bones e-ink Kindle readers are another story
perhaps. :)


> 2. Same questions for Windows and Microsoft, especially considering the
> Windows 10 launch.
>

I did an experimental JavaScript/WinJS-based Windows tablet app back for
the Windows 8 launch, which is still in the Windows Store but needs to be
cleaned up for Windows 10 or perhaps killed and replaced. :)

Windows 10 will also have a Mobile edition for phones 'and small tablets';
there's a unified app platform between desktop and mobile on Windows 10 so
it should be possible to adapt the tablet app to run on phones (or rewrite
it entirely to run on both!)


There's also been some talk about using the framework Microsoft has put
together for porting Android apps to Windows 10 Mobile, but I don't think
anybody has a good handle on how tricky that will be to use, or the
cost-benefit of working on Windows 10 Mobile in general.

I've also floated the idea of cleaning up / replacing the experimental
Firefox OS app (which is based on our old PhoneGap app code) and using a
modernized HTML5+JS app for both Firefox OS and Windows 10 Tablet/Mobile.
Nobody's bitten on the idea yet, but I think it might be better than trying
to separately spin up resources for multiple minority mobile OSs.

-- brion
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