Re: mod_perl Programmers demand is going up...

1999-12-04 Thread John White

On Fri, Dec 03, 1999 at 11:15:53PM +0200, Stas Bekman wrote:
  Does anybody see a niche for a new web-hosting company specializing in
  mode_perl and other goodies, rather than the generic "package" ? Matt ?
  That could ease the management problem of "we agree mod_perl is great,
  but our hoster won't run it".
  I for one ended up having to host my own website because nobody would
  host mod_perl  msql for less than an arm and a leg.
 
 Sure, Rod, there is a niche
 Build a rack of machines, give each client a dedicated box and have solved
 the problem of many people seeking mod_perl support. The question is how
 much this service is going to cost...
 
Painful question.

I guess the answer lies in how much responsibility the ISP is being
asked to shoulder.

I've thought about putting together a package of
1) Apache
2) mod_perl
3) mysql
4) reverse proxy cache
5) a slice of raid
6) automated remote backup
7) hardware update calendars...

But you can't walk into Exodus without paying $750 for rackspace...

Is this Rod's proverbial arm and a leg?

Quite frankly, providing a service like this is a bit more interesting
to me at the moment than actuall programming.  If anyone is looking to
partner up to make a service like this a reality, I'd certainly be 
interested in chatting.

John



Re: system resources to spec out purchases

1999-11-12 Thread John White

On Tue, Nov 09, 1999 at 04:03:49PM -0800, Scott Unkefer wrote:
 I am the CTO for webfs, inc.
 We are a mod_perl/ Solaris house.
 I am going to do some buying of web servers for our web site.
 Since our web server + mod_perl=application server, What are the areas
 of intensity that are known as far as resources?
 Since ultra 5's cost around 2k a piece, they are attractive.  But since
 they are EIDE and limited in cache and IO, I was wondering if they are
 good buys for a website that is strictly mod_perl.
 Bottom line, is mod_perl intensive on system IO or other areas where it
 would be in our interest in looking at ultra 1's or 2's instead of ultra
 5's?

In this situation, I'd probably purchase Solaris systems based on
Sun's AXi motherboard.  It has built-in 100BT, 2 UW SCSI channels,
and can be purchased in configurations as small as 2U, or in mid-towers
if you don't rackmount.  They max out at 1GB of memory.

A good platform to load-balance, though more expensive than an 
equivalent powered PC Unix platform.

I doubt that you can buy a high-memory configuration for under $2K,
but you're not going to spend $10K either.  Probably pretty easy to
spend under $5K.

Vendors include Tatung, Rave, Telenet, and probably loads of others.

This is an ATX platform, so anyone can buy the parts from the
distributor and integrate it.  You could even do it in-house, but
that's a pain.

Another alternative is the sun CompactPCI platform.  That's a bit
more complex, and unless you're willing to put in some time to understand
the industry (mostle telco servers), I'd stay away.  OTOH, if you're
looking to load-balance with high compute density...

John