Re: mod_perl mod_php
* Jie Gao ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [30 Aug 2002 09:49]: On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Jesse Erlbaum wrote: [...] I notice that you are using mod_perl AND mod_php. I have a general question for the list: Do people often use BOTH of these environments at the same time? It seems to me that there would be little benefit to using both. Am I mistaken? It happens when somebody wants to use php and you don't want to use it. We had both for a while --- then I got fed up and rewrote the small amount of PHP into Mason. I've been happier ever since =) cheers, -- Iain.
Re: mod_perl mod_php
* Andy Lester ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [30 Aug 2002 10:33]: [...] PHP is better than Perl in some cases, I've found. If you're predominantly templating and don't want to futz around with Mason or TT or whatever, PHP will do a fine job. I'm naturally biased toward Perl, and generally the PHP I've seen sucks (written by a non-programmer futzing around with third-hand code). Is there good PHP code out there? (I don't want to get into a war over PHP vs Perl, so please don't start one.) cheers, -- Iain.
Re: Change in module naming conventions
* Stas Bekman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [28 Aug 2002 12:54]: Nick Tonkin wrote: [...] I'm in favor of your approach. I have it like that in my stuff. Auth::Auth, Auth::Authz, and Auth:: Access. But Authentication, Authorization and Access aren't all Auth. May be using Apache::AAA:: as in httpd-2.0/modules/aaa/ ? I'd have to favour them being in a second-level namespace rather than a top-level one. If they provide Apache related handlers, the Apache handler modules should be in Apache:: (or ModPerl::, Apache2:: whatever; I'm going to have to look up the new naming convention there). Generic authentication stuff should probably belong in the namespace of the appropriate protocol. (e.g. Net::LDAP::Authenticate, used by Apache::AAA::NetLDAP). But Apache specific stuff should be in an Apache related namespace. (of course, now you'll all say that the 'toplevel' thing mentioned previously was relative to Apache::. Hrm.) cheers, -- Iain.
Re: the cookbook review on perl.com
* Jon Robison ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [27 Apr 2002 00:12]: Hmmat least I have the excuse that I'm not a writer ;-) That's fine. Simon's not a copy editor. =) cheers, -- iain. http://eh.org/~koschei/
Re: [WOT] Google Programming Contest.
* Randal L. Schwartz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [08 Feb 2002 05:28]: * Dave == Dave Rolsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In the Slashdot discussion, there's a link to a usenet posting by a Google employee which explicitly says only C++ or Java, no Perl or Lisp. A google employee is perhaps only an opinion though. Is it the group running the contest? Yes, it's an official opinion. cheers, -- iain. http://eh.org/~koschei/
Re: [OT] RE: New mod_perl Logo
* Rob Bloodgood ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [31 Jan 2002 09:32]: Uhh... the platypus, the wombat, the tazmanian devil, and the emu. That's 'Tasmanian'. And they're wonderfully cute and vicious brutes. cheers, -- iain. http://eh.org/~koschei/
Re: Fast template system
* Ryan Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [31 Dec 2001 08:19]: [...] I've tried or at least taken a critical look at most of the template systems out there, and they [...] use constructs/syntax that break HTML validation. Surely you only validate your HTML that's served and not your template system source? I, personally, would be quite annoyed if I had to do things like: if expr=$a $b blah blah else / flarp flarp /if cheers, -- iain. http://eh.org/~koschei/
Re: embperl
* Medi Montaseri ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [08 Sep 2001 22:58]: Another advantage of Perl is that you can use this language in other situations as well. Unlike PHP, or ColdFusion or other languages who need something to tow them. [...] Much as I hate to give PHP a pro rather than a con, I must point out that PHP can be used independently from a web service. It can be happily used as a general purpose scripting language. Of course, you don't get CPAN... cheers, -- iain. http://eh.org/~koschei/ PGP signature
Re: embperl
* Diego V ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [07 Sep 2001 06:59]: [...] Just wanted to ask to any embperl user, is there any real advantage about using embperl instead of PHP ? You get the advantage of using Perl rather than PHP. This includes the vast resources of CPAN. Personally, I recommend Mason http://www.masonhq.com/ over Embperl simply because I prefer the way it integrates into HTML. Investigate both =) I've done reasonably sized projects with both and find Mason cleaner (mostly in its handling of scope and the way it doesn't use all those [- [+ [# [$ [* etc. tags and instead just has %, %init and other wordy ones: easier to remember =). ) cheers, -- iain. http://eh.org/~koschei/ The only disadvantage I see is that it would force everyone to get Perl. Horrors. :-) --Larry Wall in [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: embperl
* Jim Cox ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [07 Sep 2001 08:03]: This will sould like sour grapes,. But! Since PHP module compiles,... and Mod_Perl will not on AIX with gcc compiler I'm thinkin' PHP is getting better and better all the time. It's all a case of use what works =) There's something peculiar with one of my Apaches in that it refuses to use DSOs. And I've got mod_perl happily compiled into it. On my home site, the admin of the machine has PHP installed but not mod_perl. At work, I haven't been able to convince the sysadmin to install either. And if I do, he's more likely to go for PHP since it's less likely to require many configuration changes. mod_perl can attach modules to any part of a request/response phase and thus can be configured somewhat complexly. PHP is just a content handler, right? mod_perl is an everything handler: content, headers, logging, URI translation, etc. etc. It's more powerful. As far as I know, there's nothing PHP can do that mod_perl can't. Well, apart from compile on AIX with gcc =) cheers, -- iain. http://eh.org/~koschei/
Re: ssl advice? modssl vs. apache-ssl vs. ?
* Michael Robinton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [14 Apr 2001 17:23]: I've just taken a quick look at the modssl site and the apache-ssl site. Does anyone want to comment on the pros and cons of these 2 approaches? Can mod_perl co-exist with either or both of these? [...] Don't know anything about modssl, I've been using apache-ssl + mod_perl for several years and am quite happy with the results. Apache/1.3.19 (Unix) PHP/4.0.4pl1 mod_perl/1.25 mod_ssl/2.8.1 OpenSSL/0.9.6 Been happily working with various versions for the past year on the above machine and another one. mod_perl happily coexists with mod_ssl. Simple to install, simple to use. cheers, -- iain. http://eh.org/~koschei/ Be nice to your kids They will pick out your nursing home.
Delving into Apache's configuration innards
Hello, I'd like to be able to display all of my web server's configuration on a web page. Since a fair amount of it is automatically generated I was wondering if there was a way to easily obtain a dump (of hash and array references) to munge and display on the page. cheers, -- iain. http://eh.org/~koschei/ 51 things to do in a lift 18. When at least 8 people have boarded, moan from the back: "Oh, not now, damn motion sickness!"
Re: Delving into Apache's configuration innards
* Stas Bekman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [08 Mar 2001 01:48]: On Wed, 7 Mar 2001, iain truskett wrote: [...] I'd like to be able to display all of my web server's configuration on a web page. Since a fair amount of it is automatically generated I was wondering if there was a way to easily obtain a dump (of hash and array references) to munge and display on the page. http://perl.apache.org/guide/config.html#Verifying Except that (a) adding $Apache::Server::SaveConfig = 1; to my perl bit has the side effect of stopping the virtualhost hash being filled out properly, and (b) according to the documentation you pointed out (which I had checked previously) it doesn't give me access to the entirety of the configuration, only what I set in the perl sections. Mind you, I could go and translate the rest of the configuration into a perl section so that the whole thing is a perl program but I'd rather not unless I have to. Thanks anyway. cheers, -- #!/usr/bin/perl -- # -- iain. http://eh.org/~koschei/ ($#=q/M2VYO=VQE9,=E($%B;W9E($%L;"X*.,AT='`Z+R]E:"YOFO?FMOV-H96DO'')I F4^"|``/)=~y-,.|\r\n\t -/@-d,$;=pack c,280551%015025;print unpack$;,$#
Re: Delving into Apache's configuration innards
* Stas Bekman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [08 Mar 2001 02:36]: On Thu, 8 Mar 2001, iain truskett wrote: [...] http://perl.apache.org/guide/config.html#Verifying Except that (a) adding $Apache::Server::SaveConfig = 1; to my perl bit has the side effect of stopping the virtualhost hash being filled out properly, and You may want to submit a bug report providing all the details. Just sayind "improperly filled out" doesn't tell much. I was going to once I figured out exactly what it was doing. Weekend job that. (b) according to the documentation you pointed out (which I had checked previously) it doesn't give me access to the entirety of the configuration, only what I set in the perl sections. The documentation mentions this fact, I believe. "according to the documentation you pointed out"... [...] Use mod_info: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/mod/mod_info.html But it's not aware of the CPerl sections. I suppose that Apache::Status can be improved to merge the info from mod_info and the CPerl sections, so if anybody wants to do that you are very welcome. Sounds like a plan. I'll see what I can get done with mod_info. cheers, -- iain. http://eh.org/~koschei/ "I'd just like to take this opportunity to say: Iain Truskett, you are a crafty git!" -- Erik Pollitt, The Jade Pagoda, 2208.
XML::Parser 2.30
For what it's worth, the new verion of the XML::Parser module appears to segfault. Works fine outside mod_perl from what I can see, but segfaults the Apache child within. This is using it with XML::RSS on: Apache/1.3.12 (Unix) PHP/3.0.16 mod_perl/1.24 mod_ssl/2.6.2 OpenSSL/0.9.5a Linux dijkstra 2.2.12-20 #1 Wed Apr 12 15:43:14 EST 2000 i686 unknown Downgrading to 2.29 fixed the problem. cheers, -- iain truskett, aka Koschei.http://eh.org/~koschei/ The book to read is not the one which thinks for you, but the one which makes you think. ---James McCosh
Re: PerlRequire conf/startup.pl
* Dennis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [14 Oct 2000 16:00]: I have "PerlRequire conf/startup.pl" in httpd.conf and startup.pl has "1;" in it then I start apache "/usr/local/apache/bin/apachectl start and it says: /usr/local/apache/bin/apachectl start: httpd started but it looks like it's exiting out right away. is that what it's supposed to do ? Do you mean httpd is exiting right away or that startup.pl is? If the former, then have you looked in your Apache error log? If the latter, then that's good since startup.pl is meant to be run at the start of an httpd starting up and just set some things up for later (I use it to get XML::Parser and stuff into memory early on to speed up the first requests). cheers, -- iain truskett, aka Koschei.http://eh.org/~koschei/ You know you are addicted to coffee if... 8 You chew on other people's fingernails.
