Re: [me too] certification [Was: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection]
> > On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 01:22:26PM -0800, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > > > > > > I mean, until I can demonstrate that people with certs are likely > > > to get hired faster or make more money, what's the point? As it is > > > now, good mod_perl people are hard enough to find that the > > > jobseeker already has the advantage. "The jobseeker already has the advantage" is the key phrase. I think the general idea is to balance that out and broaden both the job market for mod_perl folks, and the talent pool of mod_perl programmers. At this point, IMO certification is the end of the line, the destination. What we need is a path to the destination. We want to generate enough interest and (dare I say) marketability of mod_perl to warrant certification. Articles are helpful, but when was the last time you saw a corporate big-wig reading TPJ or Perl Month? I'm sure it happens, but what about getting an article in the big trade rags? Slipping something in Ziff-Davis rags, the things that sit on their desk and coffee tables... > > I'd take a list of activities from your website, complete the > > activities, submit my code back to you, and let you grade me, Copy and paste works wonders in the web. You'd need heavy code-commenting or a detailed explanation from the person (preferably in person) of the code they "wrote". It's the right path, just need to prepare for the lowest common denomenator. > I'd be a little less eager about the sort of simple multiple choice > that would be easiest to automate, but even that would suffice. Or a good combination thereof. > I would love to be able to list on my resumé that I was Perl and > mod_perl certified. How about publicity in the form of a page listing > certified Perl/modPerl coders on take23, with contact info if they > like? Great for getting those job offers. From an employer's standpoint, that's an awful statement to read. If I hire a certified perl/mod_perl person, I'd like to believe that they're with my company, and not reviewing other job offers continually, if the site could evolve to "available certified folks"... that would be a much better solution. See point #1 above. Jay Jacobs - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[me too] certification [Was: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection]
First, the gratuitous "me, too!" As fair warning, there's little more than that in terms of valid content here, but if you're still interested in reading the rest --- "J. J. Horner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 01:22:26PM -0800, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > > > "Gunther" == Gunther Birznieks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Gunther> This is exactly why someone experienced in training (ie > > Gunther> Randal/StoneHenge) would hopefully be the ones to take the > > Gunther> torch on this. If there's anyone I would trust a > > Gunther> certification from, it would be them. > > > > We've considered the certification route from time to time, but > > other than being a money maker for us (which isn't all that bad > > of a deal :-), > > I'm still not entirely convinced that the community of *ours* > > would demand certification in any distinguishing way. > > > > I mean, until I can demonstrate that people with certs are likely > > to get hired faster or make more money, what's the point? As it is > > now, good mod_perl people are hard enough to find that the jobseeker > > already has the advantage. > > > > I'm very open to being convinced otherwise though. > > > > I'd be interested in something like this. For a low price > ($50-$100), I would do that. In fact, I would probably pay more. > I'd take a list of activities from your website, complete the > activities, submit my code back to you, and let you grade me, > and then send me some form of certificate saying > "Certified mod_perl hacker" with Stonehenge and the famous > merlyn signing it. I'd be a little less eager about the sort of simple multiple choice that would be easiest to automate, but even that would suffice. > If we could get Doug and Lincoln to sign off on the list of > activities, the certification couldn't get more genuine than that. Agreed. [snip] > How many technologies have the actual creator as part of the > certification process? It could only help. I don't know about "only", but I second the sentiment. I would love to be able to list on my resumé that I was Perl and mod_perl certified. How about publicity in the form of a page listing certified Perl/modPerl coders on take23, with contact info if they like? Great for getting those job offers. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [me too] certification [Was: mod_perl advocacy project resurrection]
On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, Paul wrote: > I would love to be able to list on my resumé that I was Perl and > mod_perl certified. How about publicity in the form of a page listing > certified Perl/modPerl coders on take23, with contact info if they > like? Great for getting those job offers. We will be doing jobs and resumes on there when I get some tuits to do a bit more coding on the site, maybe over xmas. What I'd love to be able to provide is some sort of auto-matcher for employers/employees, but thats way up there right now. -- /||** Director and CTO ** //||** AxKit.com Ltd ** ** XML Application Serving ** // ||** http://axkit.org ** ** XSLT, XPathScript, XSP ** // \\| // ** Personal Web Site: http://sergeant.org/ ** \\// //\\ // \\ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]