Re: mod_eprl or PHP
On Wed, 26 Jul 2000, Denton River wrote: HI list, My company is using mod_perl right now and i like it alot, but now are they wanting us to start develop in PHP i really like to stay mod_perl, so i am askin you for some help, I would really like to have something to say to my boss, like this is why i want to use mod_perl instedd of PHP so my question is "Why should i use mod_perl insted of PHP. Denton ps. we are workin alot with XML. Well then mod_perl (well, Perl) has much more extensive XML support right now compared to PHP. I was talking to Rael Dornfest yesterday, and he's moving back to Perl development after developing PHP's most significant XML project (meerkat) because of the tools available under perl. -- Matt/ Fastnet Software Ltd. High Performance Web Specialists Providing mod_perl, XML, Sybase and Oracle solutions Email for training and consultancy availability. http://sergeant.org | AxKit: http://axkit.org
Re: mod_eprl or PHP
This is also comparing apples and oranges since PHP requires mod_perl... A better comparison would be HTMLEmbperl vs. PHP Or mod_perl vs. java server pages, ASP, etc...
Re: mod_eprl or PHP
PHP does not require mod_perl. They are completely seperate (and often do not like each other when loaded as DSOs). On 26-Jul-2000 Erich L. Markert wrote: This is also comparing apples and oranges since PHP requires mod_perl... A better comparison would be HTMLEmbperl vs. PHP Or mod_perl vs. java server pages, ASP, etc... -- Jason Bodnar + [EMAIL PROTECTED] + Team Linux Oooh ... maca-ma-damia nuts. -- Homer Simpson Bart's Dog Gets an F
RE: mod_eprl or PHP
With all due respect, what the hell are you smoking? PHP is an ENTIRELY different beast from perl, or mod_perl. http://php.net has absolutely nothing to do with Larry Wall -Original Message- From: Erich L. Markert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 12:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: mod_eprl or PHP This is also comparing apples and oranges since PHP requires mod_perl... A better comparison would be HTMLEmbperl vs. PHP Or mod_perl vs. java server pages, ASP, etc...
Re: mod_eprl or PHP
On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PHP does not require mod_perl. They are completely seperate (and often do not like each other when loaded as DSOs). Has anyone figured out why that is yet? -- Matt/ Fastnet Software Ltd. High Performance Web Specialists Providing mod_perl, XML, Sybase and Oracle solutions Email for training and consultancy availability. http://sergeant.org | AxKit: http://axkit.org
Re: mod_eprl or PHP
--On Wednesday, July 26, 2000 8:22 AM -0700 Denton River [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HI list, My company is using mod_perl right now and i like it alot, but now are they wanting us to start develop in PHP i really like to stay mod_perl, so i am askin you for some help, That's not a simple question, and you haven't really said what kinds of applications you're using mod-perl for. In a nutshell, mod-perl is a much more complex tool than PHP, but it also enables you to do much more complex tasks. PHP works at the Apache response phase, mod-perl gives you access to all the request phases. PHP a powerfull, but still limited tool. Mod-perl gives you full access to perl and to any and all existing perl packages (anything on CPAN or anywhere else). Both packages have their place, and I use both. If the kinds of web applications you develop clearly fit into one camp or the other, than use one or the other exclusively. But if it's a mixed bag, use the tool most appropriate to the application. Also, for basic dynamic page generation, learning and using PHP is a simpler task than learning and using mod-perl. That's real important to keep in mind when hiring developers who may have no experience with either tool -- and "OH MY!!" may not even know perl -- shutter to think. ;-). I would really like to have something to say to my boss, like this is why i want to use mod_perl instedd of PHP so my question is "Why should i use mod_perl insted of PHP. Denton ps. we are workin alot with XML. I'm not sure if there are XML parsers available for PHP or not. If not, that would certainly make a difference in what tool to use. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail ? Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ -- Rob _ _ _ _ __ _ _ _ _ /\_\_\_\_\/\_\ /\_\_\_\_\_\ /\/_/_/_/_/ /\/_/ \/_/_/_/_/_/ QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT, /\/_/__\/_/ __/\/_//\/_/ PROFUNDUM VIDITUR /\/_/_/_/_/ /\_\ /\/_//\/_/ /\/_/ \/_/ /\/_/_/\/_//\/_/ (Whatever is said in Latin \/_/ \/_/ \/_/_/_/_/ \/_/ appears profound) Rob Tanner McMinnville, Oregon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mod_eprl or PHP
The great thing about mod_perl is that you can, with just a little training in some common traps (global variables), turn a perl programmer into a mod_perl programmer. To turn someone into a PHP programmer you have to teach them the perl-like PHP syntax. PHP is popular. If you are drowning in PHP applicants, I say go for it. But since you say you are already a mod_perl shop, it sounds like you are trading in one of the most powerful apache tools in for a way to embed code in your HTML. There are MANY ways to make a PHP like mod_perl environment. HTML::Mason (www.masonhq.com), Embperl or you could just have mod_perl support PHP itself with mod_php. As Jason Bodnar noted, they do not like playing with each other as DSOs. If my perceptions are misplaced about PHP, please feel free to correct me. Thanks, JoshKoshB'Gosh
Re: mod_eprl or PHP
Obviously not the same stuff as you ;-) You missed my point, even though you reiterated it in your statement... How can you make a valid comparison between mod_perl against PHP? You can't because they are different beasts and serve different purposes. That's why I said it would be more valid to compare JSP against mod_perl - similar technologies. Jerrad Pierce wrote: With all due respect, what the hell are you smoking? PHP is an ENTIRELY different beast from perl, or mod_perl. http://php.net has absolutely nothing to do with Larry Wall -Original Message- From: Erich L. Markert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 12:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: mod_eprl or PHP This is also comparing apples and oranges since PHP requires mod_perl... A better comparison would be HTMLEmbperl vs. PHP Or mod_perl vs. java server pages, ASP, etc... -- __ Mr. Erich L. Markert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computer Learning Center TEL (914)422-4328 Pace University 1 Martine Ave White Plains, New York 10606-1932 Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. -- Henry Spencer
Re: mod_eprl or PHP
Mea culpa. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PHP does not require mod_perl. They are completely seperate (and often do not like each other when loaded as DSOs). -- __ Mr. Erich L. Markert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Computer Learning Center TEL (914)422-4328 Pace University 1 Martine Ave White Plains, New York 10606-1932 Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. -- Henry Spencer
Re: mod_eprl or PHP
Matt Sergeant wrote: On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PHP does not require mod_perl. They are completely seperate (and often do not like each other when loaded as DSOs). Has anyone figured out why that is yet? wasn't it related to conflicting mysql or dbi libraries? i've seen a few threads that achieved some kind of success disabling PHP's mysql libraries. of course, it's all overheard, so i may well be wrong martin
Re: mod_eprl or PHP
On Wed, 26 Jul 2000, Erich L. Markert wrote: Obviously not the same stuff as you ;-) You missed my point, even though you reiterated it in your statement... How can you make a valid comparison between mod_perl against PHP? You can't because they are different beasts and serve different purposes. That's why I said it would be more valid to compare JSP against mod_perl - similar technologies. Actually the only similar techs to mod_perl are: mod_snake (python equivalent to mod_perl, very new though), mod_java (java equivalent, doesn't even run yet AFAIK), the Apache C API, the microsoft internet server API (ISAPI), and the netscape server API (NSAPI). There are probably a few others that I've missed, for other web servers, but that's pretty much it as far as technologies similar to mod_perl. In short: most other tecnologies are web page API's, whereas mod_perl and its kin are web server API's. A common misconception though. -- Matt/ Fastnet Software Ltd. High Performance Web Specialists Providing mod_perl, XML, Sybase and Oracle solutions Email for training and consultancy availability. http://sergeant.org | AxKit: http://axkit.org
Re: mod_eprl or PHP
On Wed, 26 Jul 2000, martin langhoff wrote: Matt Sergeant wrote: On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PHP does not require mod_perl. They are completely seperate (and often do not like each other when loaded as DSOs). Has anyone figured out why that is yet? wasn't it related to conflicting mysql or dbi libraries? i've seen a few threads that achieved some kind of success disabling PHP's mysql libraries. of course, it's all overheard, so i may well be wrong Hmm... could be just that - exactly the same problem as the expat issue... -- Matt/ Fastnet Software Ltd. High Performance Web Specialists Providing mod_perl, XML, Sybase and Oracle solutions Email for training and consultancy availability. http://sergeant.org | AxKit: http://axkit.org
Re: mod_eprl or PHP
Its seems that people think PHP is easy to learn for HTML people. By that same token, all the embedded perl solutions are as well like Apache::ASP, Embperl, HTML::Mason, and AxKit, check out: http://perl.apache.org/#embed http://perl.apache.org/#xml --Joshua Denton River wrote: HI list, My company is using mod_perl right now and i like it alot, but now are they wanting us to start develop in PHP i really like to stay mod_perl, so i am askin you for some help, I would really like to have something to say to my boss, like this is why i want to use mod_perl instedd of PHP so my question is "Why should i use mod_perl insted of PHP. Denton ps. we are workin alot with XML. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/
