Re: [mod_perl audio tutorials] (was Re: [OT slightly] mod_perl developers (do they exist?)

[Bakki Kudva]

 Stas Bekman  wrote on Tuesday, April 04, 2000 2:59 AM :

> Well, I've just installed the G2 Player and tried it. Yes it's quite good.
> May be you are right and it would work. So are you going to give it a
> whirl?

I'd love to give it a try. Couple of starting points.

1. Conferences will not be a good source for the material. So we'll have to
find an alternative. We may have to compile this incrementally, slide by
slide. The slides/audio files can be created by the author, (who can be the
'guru'? Would you have the time to do it?) or I can have some one just read
from a script.

2. I am not sure what the SUN site uses at the server side. We can do ours
using mod_perl ofcourse unless something like it already exists. I like the
"last slide", "next slide" buttons to which we may be able to add "last
chapter#", "next chapter#"  buttons to make the presentation more
interactive. With some help I would be willing to roll this out myself. My
web site is at Verio. So mod_perl won't be possible there, though I would
have loved to host the site there. If we can do it with CGI may be it can be
hosted there. The simplest way to put audio would have been with the
 tag and .wav, or .au files. Unfortunately this works only for IE.
Don't know if Netscape v4.72 supports it yet. Any ideas here?

bakki

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[mod_perl audio tutorials] (was Re: [OT slightly] mod_perl developers (do they exist?)

[Stas Bekman]

On Thu, 30 Mar 2000, Bakki Kudva wrote:

> > If I understand correctly the handouts and possible audio/video records
> > belong to the host of the conference. Therefore you should talk to them
> > about this issue. It can be ORA, Camelot or any other conference
> > organizer.
> 
> In that case they would have little incentive to release this material as
> they are in the business of conducting training and tutorials.

That's right

> > Another possibility is to organize a training session which will be hosted
> > by you for example and then you will be able to make the recording with
> > the only permission of the speakers.
> >
> > Of course if your intention is to make money by selling the recordings,
> > you will have to pay a certain percentage to the "artists".
> 
> This is not my line of business and so I wasn't thinking of this as a
> for-profit venture. It was more of a community service project in my mind.
> However a nominal charge to recover production costs, (specially if CD-ROMs
> are pressed) speaker's fees etc might be ok. The whole point was to make a
> tutorial available to "the rest of us" and promote further use of mod_perl.
> I wasn't personally planning on profiting from this other than the learning
> experience at the 'feet of the gurus' :)

I've assumed that you didn't want to make a profit, I just said 'if...' :)

> > BTW, I think that if you are serious about doing this project, I believe
> > that the only way to do that is in the video format. It's hard to imagine
> > the slide and see where the speaker points to with his laser on the audio
> > recording. Audio format is fine for keynotes, but not for tutorials.
> 
> I used to feel the same way until I saw the SUN webcasts and Bruce Eckel's
> "Thinking in Java" course. The slides/audio presentation works very well
> over low bandwidth connections and would be cheaper to setup than a
> streaming video server. Did you check out the links I had in my original
> post? Just imaging that you are in a presentation in a darkened room where
> you can't see the speaker :-)

Well, I've just installed the G2 Player and tried it. Yes it's quite good.
May be you are right and it would work. So are you going to give it a
whirl?

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Re: [OT slightly] mod_perl developers (do they exist?)

[Bakki Kudva]

> If I understand correctly the handouts and possible audio/video records
> belong to the host of the conference. Therefore you should talk to them
> about this issue. It can be ORA, Camelot or any other conference
> organizer.

In that case they would have little incentive to release this material as
they are in the business of conducting training and tutorials.

> Another possibility is to organize a training session which will be hosted
> by you for example and then you will be able to make the recording with
> the only permission of the speakers.
>
> Of course if your intention is to make money by selling the recordings,
> you will have to pay a certain percentage to the "artists".

This is not my line of business and so I wasn't thinking of this as a
for-profit venture. It was more of a community service project in my mind.
However a nominal charge to recover production costs, (specially if CD-ROMs
are pressed) speaker's fees etc might be ok. The whole point was to make a
tutorial available to "the rest of us" and promote further use of mod_perl.
I wasn't personally planning on profiting from this other than the learning
experience at the 'feet of the gurus' :)

> BTW, I think that if you are serious about doing this project, I believe
> that the only way to do that is in the video format. It's hard to imagine
> the slide and see where the speaker points to with his laser on the audio
> recording. Audio format is fine for keynotes, but not for tutorials.

I used to feel the same way until I saw the SUN webcasts and Bruce Eckel's
"Thinking in Java" course. The slides/audio presentation works very well
over low bandwidth connections and would be cheaper to setup than a
streaming video server. Did you check out the links I had in my original
post? Just imaging that you are in a presentation in a darkened room where
you can't see the speaker :-)

bakki

Bakki Kudva
Navaco
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phone: (814) 833-2592
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Re: [OT slightly] mod_perl developers (do they exist?)

[Stas Bekman]

> > > My suggestion would be to capture one of two of these tutorial sessions
> on
> > > audio tape(assuming employer consent), edit and sync them to a bunch of
> HTML
> > > slides and put the whole shebang on the Net...preferably right next to
> Stas'
> > > great guide. Some nifty examples of this are at...
> >
> > Hmm, that's what ORA did at the last Perl conference, although not with
> > mod_perl talks... They have prepared the audio/video recording of the most
> > popular sessions and made them available to the public. Not for free of
> > course.
> >
> > You probably could have done the same at the ApacheCon, but it's over
> > already.  Your next chance is the summer's OpenSource conference in
> > Monterey and the autumn's next ApacheCon in London.
> 
> As I recall you gave the talk on mod_perl. Would you consent to have your
> tutorial session recorded for this purpose? Any other organizational
> permissions needed? I wonder if everything at the OpenSource conference
> becomes O'Reilly's copyright.

If I understand correctly the handouts and possible audio/video records
belong to the host of the conference. Therefore you should talk to them
about this issue. It can be ORA, Camelot or any other conference
organizer.

Another possibility is to organize a training session which will be hosted
by you for example and then you will be able to make the recording with
the only permission of the speakers.

Of course if your intention is to make money by selling the recordings,
you will have to pay a certain percentage to the "artists".

BTW, I think that if you are serious about doing this project, I believe
that the only way to do that is in the video format. It's hard to imagine
the slide and see where the speaker points to with his laser on the audio
recording. Audio format is fine for keynotes, but not for tutorials. 

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Re: [OT slightly] mod_perl developers (do they exist?)

[Bakki Kudva]

Hi Stas,

> > My suggestion would be to capture one of two of these tutorial sessions
on
> > audio tape(assuming employer consent), edit and sync them to a bunch of
HTML
> > slides and put the whole shebang on the Net...preferably right next to
Stas'
> > great guide. Some nifty examples of this are at...
>
> Hmm, that's what ORA did at the last Perl conference, although not with
> mod_perl talks... They have prepared the audio/video recording of the most
> popular sessions and made them available to the public. Not for free of
> course.
>
> You probably could have done the same at the ApacheCon, but it's over
> already.  Your next chance is the summer's OpenSource conference in
> Monterey and the autumn's next ApacheCon in London.

As I recall you gave the talk on mod_perl. Would you consent to have your
tutorial session recorded for this purpose? Any other organizational
permissions needed? I wonder if everything at the OpenSource conference
becomes O'Reilly's copyright.

bakki

Bakki Kudva
Navaco
(Electronic Document Management Solutions)
phone: (814) 833-2592
fax:  (603) 947-5747
http://www.navaco.com/

Re: [OT slightly] mod_perl developers (do they exist?)

[Andy Johnson]

Well, I don't know if the rest of you actually exist, but I do, and I'm
looking for a job!

Re: [OT slightly] mod_perl developers (do they exist?)

[Bill Jones]

Re:  Subject line...

$_ = "mod_perl Developer";
print "If I Perl & I Apache, then am I a ",
  (/^mod\_perl\sDeveloper$/) ? $_ : " ... ", "?\n";

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Re: [OT slightly] mod_perl developers (do they exist in Buffalo NY?)

[Robert Monical]

Hello,

Looking for a mod_perl developer in Buffalo.
The site is www.destinations.com. The booking
engine bit is mod_perl.
Several new products are in the pipeline.

Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thanks

Have a great day!

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--Director of CRM Development
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Re: [OT slightly] mod_perl developers (do they exist?)

[Stas Bekman]

> > "Jeffrey W. Baker" wrote:
> 
> 
> > > I can't answer your population questions, but I would say that I am an
> > > expert in mod_perl.  I hired two develoeprs who didn't know a whole hell
> > > of a lot about mod_perl, and I taught them all about it in five two-hour
> > > tutorials.  Maybe you could hire some smart guys and teach them the way
> > > of truth.
> 
> 
> I consider myself a perl/mod_perl newbie (have been for a long time, still
> trying to make that leap from "easy things are easy -> difficult things
> possible  :-) I get the sense that more than a few of the gurus on this list
> go thro this tutorial path for new hirees to bring them up to speed.
> 
> My suggestion would be to capture one of two of these tutorial sessions on
> audio tape(assuming employer consent), edit and sync them to a bunch of HTML
> slides and put the whole shebang on the Net...preferably right next to Stas'
> great guide. Some nifty examples of this are at...

Hmm, that's what ORA did at the last Perl conference, although not with
mod_perl talks... They have prepared the audio/video recording of the most
popular sessions and made them available to the public. Not for free of
course.

You probably could have done the same at the ApacheCon, but it's over
already.  Your next chance is the summer's OpenSource conference in
Monterey and the autumn's next ApacheCon in London.

> http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/onlineTraining/webcasts/
> http://www.eckelobjects.com/TIJ2/index.html (Bruce Eckel's nice Java into
> tutorial in PDF with audio)
> I for one find these audio/slide presentations the next best thing to being
> there, less the huge expense of being there.
> 
> I would be willing to contribute my time to this project, which will help me
> along my learning curve. I have a friend who is a TV producer (anyone
> remember Milton Friedman's Free to Choose series on PBS a long time ago?)
> from whom I might perhaps mooch some free audio digitizing/editing time (not
> a promise)...If none of this can be done on an 'open source' basis, as does
> Bruce Eckel, then we can do it on a cost recovery basis so the time
> contributed by various folks (especially the Gurus) could be re-imbursed
> from a reasonable subscription rate. This approach could serve the Perl
> community at large if we do other topics as well. I am very curious to find
> out the opinions of the folks on this list.
> 
> Just my 2cents worth.
> 
> bakki
> 
> Bakki Kudva
> Navaco
> (Electronic Document Management Solutions)
> phone: (814) 833-2592
> fax:  (603) 947-5747
> http://www.navaco.com/
> 
> 



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Re: [OT slightly] mod_perl developers (do they exist?)

[Matt Arnold]

From: Victor Zamouline <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2000 5:44 PM


> - In 18 months, about 50 companies (including HP, Philips, etc.) => about
> 500 trainees (most of them sort of database programmers), I did not meet
**a
> single one** who had ever **heard about the existence** of mod_perl.

I've heard it before:  "mod_perl?  What's that?  Never heard of it.  And if
I've never heard about it, it must be a non-contender in the market."  It's
interesting how their ignorance is a matter of pride.

First use Netcraft to demonstrate Apache is the number one web server on the
planet.  http://www.netcraft.com/survey/  Okay.  Good.

Next use the E-Soft numbers to demonstrate the popularity of the various
Apache modules.
http://www.e-softinc.com/survey/data/22/news.html#modules  Well, look at
that -- mod_perl in the top three, and growing quickly.  Gee whiz!

Given these figures, most web developers become less enthusiastic about
their mod_perl ignorance.  :-)

M@