Ownership transfer request for AFS-Command

[Phillip Moore]

I haven't worked with this module in about seven years, and don't expect to
ever work with it again.
I'd like to transfer ownership to both of:

DARIA 
JALTMAN 

I have no interest in continuing to have co-maintainer rights, so you can
remove my access entirely.

Jeff and Daria, take it away

Re: MQSeries

[Phillip Moore]

If you are unable to get a response from them, please let me know.   The
guy who joined the team and was given responsibility for the code seems
quite sincere about supporting it, so I will be happy to help get a
conversation started.

I'll reach out to them again today.

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Neil Bowers 
wrote:

> Hi Philip,
>
> Was this situation resolved to everyone's satisfaction?   When I left this
> issue, the team at MS had restored the mail alias, and the engineer working
> on it told me they are committed to supporting it and working to resolve
> some of the open issues.  I have been out of the loop since then.
>
> Did you manage to at least start communicating with the module owners, I
> hope?
>
>
> Thorsten had previously emailed mqser...@cpan.org, and wasn’t getting a
> bounce any more, but I haven’t seen any more than that.
>
> I’m guessing he didn’t get a reply, and has given up. Thorsten?
>
> Cheers,
> Neil
>
>
>

Re: MQSeries

[Phillip Moore]

Was this situation resolved to everyone's satisfaction?   When I left this
issue, the team at MS had restored the mail alias, and the engineer working
on it told me they are committed to supporting it and working to resolve
some of the open issues.  I have been out of the loop since then.

Did you manage to at least start communicating with the module owners, I
hope?

If there's anything else I can do to help out, jut let me know and I'll try.

On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 11:11 AM, Thorsten Hirsch <t.hir...@web.de> wrote:

> Hi Phillip,
>
> yes, at least I receive no longer a bounce mail when writing to
> mqser...@cpan.org.
> Let's see if anyone answers...
>
> Regards,
> Thorsten
>
>
> 2017-04-18 16:26 GMT+02:00 Phillip Moore <w.phillip.mo...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Apologies for the delay on getting back to everyone   I was out of
>> the country on vacation, and ignoring anything and everything remotely
>> related to work.
>>
>> I heard back from the engineering team that owns the MQSeries module, and
>> they have brought someone pretty senior into the team, and they have a plan
>> to address the backlog of issues (both internal and external) in the coming
>> months.   The mqser...@cpan.org address should work again, as they
>> re-enabled the internal mail group it was directed to.
>>
>> Can you try to reach out to them again, and reboot the conversation?
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 8:02 AM, David Golden <da...@autopragmatic.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Make sure MS understands it's not a transfer of copyright, it's just
>>> authorizing someone new to ship big fixes to CPAN.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 27, 2017 6:04 AM, "Neil Bowers" <neil.bow...@cogendo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Phil,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your reply and honest appraisal of the situation.
>>>>
>>>> This is very sad, and as the original author of the code, I would like
>>>> to apologize on behalf of those who have inherited in from me.   Except
>>>> that I have *NO* idea who that is.   I wrote and owned this code from 1998
>>>> to 2002.   Hildo also left the project and Morgan Stanley a few years
>>>> later, and the engineering team that manages the MQSeries infrastructure
>>>> Hildo and I designed and deployed are the ones responsible for the CPAN
>>>> distro now.   That team *was* pretty good, but they entire team quit or
>>>> changed projects in 2012, which explains the final release date.
>>>>
>>>> Now, I am going to be characteristically blunt here: all the good
>>>> engineers are gone from that team, and I don't think they are giving ANY
>>>> priority to maintaining the CPAN distribution, because none of them have
>>>> any clue how.If you have the skills and the interest in taking this
>>>> over, I would be more than happy to help broker getting the ownership
>>>> transferred.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you can help us get approval from “the right place in Morgan
>>>> Stanley”, that would be great.
>>>>
>>>>  If push comes to shove, I am pretty sure that if Hildo and I endorsed
>>>> it, the CPAN maintainers would make the change.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I should have made clear in my first response — I am one of the PAUSE
>>>> admins.
>>>>
>>>> […] Now, I honestly think that the team in question is so deep
>>>> underwater with everything we created (that infrastructure and the
>>>> management application we built are perhaps the most successful work of my
>>>> career, and they still use it), that they will most likely be thrilled to
>>>> give this up.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, if it is not obvious, please keep this discussion entirely
>>>> confidential for now.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just so you’re aware, the PAUSE admins mailing list (modules@perl.org)
>>>> has been copied on these emails. There is a public archive of these emails,
>>>> but it’s not likely that people will stumble on those archives. If you want
>>>> to continue this discussion off that list, just let us know.
>>>>
>>>> I am putting the priorities of the open source community before those
>>>> of my employers here, and so taking a bit of political risk by doing so.
>>>>  I am, for lack of clearly better judgment, working at MS again right now,
>>>> so I would appreciate you NOT sharing this discussion publicly 

Re: MQSeries

[Phillip Moore]

Apologies for the delay on getting back to everyone   I was out of the
country on vacation, and ignoring anything and everything remotely related
to work.

I heard back from the engineering team that owns the MQSeries module, and
they have brought someone pretty senior into the team, and they have a plan
to address the backlog of issues (both internal and external) in the coming
months.   The mqser...@cpan.org address should work again, as they
re-enabled the internal mail group it was directed to.

Can you try to reach out to them again, and reboot the conversation?


On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 8:02 AM, David Golden 
wrote:

> Make sure MS understands it's not a transfer of copyright, it's just
> authorizing someone new to ship big fixes to CPAN.
>
>
> On Mar 27, 2017 6:04 AM, "Neil Bowers"  wrote:
>
>> Hi Phil,
>>
>> Thanks for your reply and honest appraisal of the situation.
>>
>> This is very sad, and as the original author of the code, I would like to
>> apologize on behalf of those who have inherited in from me.   Except that I
>> have *NO* idea who that is.   I wrote and owned this code from 1998 to
>> 2002.   Hildo also left the project and Morgan Stanley a few years later,
>> and the engineering team that manages the MQSeries infrastructure Hildo and
>> I designed and deployed are the ones responsible for the CPAN distro now.
>> That team *was* pretty good, but they entire team quit or changed projects
>> in 2012, which explains the final release date.
>>
>> Now, I am going to be characteristically blunt here: all the good
>> engineers are gone from that team, and I don't think they are giving ANY
>> priority to maintaining the CPAN distribution, because none of them have
>> any clue how.If you have the skills and the interest in taking this
>> over, I would be more than happy to help broker getting the ownership
>> transferred.
>>
>>
>> If you can help us get approval from “the right place in Morgan Stanley”,
>> that would be great.
>>
>>  If push comes to shove, I am pretty sure that if Hildo and I endorsed
>> it, the CPAN maintainers would make the change.
>>
>>
>> I should have made clear in my first response — I am one of the PAUSE
>> admins.
>>
>> […] Now, I honestly think that the team in question is so deep underwater
>> with everything we created (that infrastructure and the management
>> application we built are perhaps the most successful work of my career, and
>> they still use it), that they will most likely be thrilled to give this up.
>>
>> Anyway, if it is not obvious, please keep this discussion entirely
>> confidential for now.
>>
>>
>> Just so you’re aware, the PAUSE admins mailing list (modules@perl.org)
>> has been copied on these emails. There is a public archive of these emails,
>> but it’s not likely that people will stumble on those archives. If you want
>> to continue this discussion off that list, just let us know.
>>
>> I am putting the priorities of the open source community before those of
>> my employers here, and so taking a bit of political risk by doing so.I
>> am, for lack of clearly better judgment, working at MS again right now, so
>> I would appreciate you NOT sharing this discussion publicly until it is
>> appropriate to do so.   This is also why I am in the perfect spot to broker
>> the ownership change.
>>
>>
>> I appreciate you doing this.
>>
>> reach out to Golden, and inquire about the process here, as I don't think
>> you will ever see another release if we don't, so I will bring him into
>> this discussion as well.   Please give me about a week to get the internal
>> feedback on this.
>>
>>
>> Since the code is copyright Morgan Stanley, and was last released from a
>> Morgan Stanley account, we’ll need some approval from MS to hand over
>> maintenance. If you can get approval and forward it to us, I can then give
>> co-maint to Thorsten on all of the MQSeries modules. This doesn’t need a
>> formal signature, but once you’ve spoken to the right person in MS, you
>> could send an email to us and cc that person, with a simple email along the
>> lines of:
>>
>> Dear PAUSE Admins,
>>
>> I’ve spoken to XX at Morgan Stanley, who is happy for co-maint
>> permissions to be granted to Thorsten Hirsch on the MQSeries distribution.
>> I’ve copied XX on this email.
>>
>> Phil
>>
>>
>> Given Thorsten’s recent email, it will hopefully be relatively easy to
>> make a good case for this, as it’s going to result in active maintenance
>> and bug fixing (I notice there’s at least one patch from Thorsten in the RT
>> bug queue for the dist). They’re clearly dependent on this module in
>> production, and have a good CPAN pedigree.
>>
>> Let me know if there’s anything else I can do to help.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Neil
>>
>>
>>

Re: MQSeries

[Phillip Moore]

This is very sad, and as the original author of the code, I would like to
apologize on behalf of those who have inherited in from me.   Except that I
have *NO* idea who that is.   I wrote and owned this code from 1998 to
2002.   Hildo also left the project and Morgan Stanley a few years later,
and the engineering team that manages the MQSeries infrastructure Hildo and
I designed and deployed are the ones responsible for the CPAN distro now.
That team *was* pretty good, but they entire team quit or changed projects
in 2012, which explains the final release date.

Now, I am going to be characteristically blunt here: all the good engineers
are gone from that team, and I don't think they are giving ANY priority to
maintaining the CPAN distribution, because none of them have any clue how.
   If you have the skills and the interest in taking this over, I would be
more than happy to help broker getting the ownership transferred.

If push comes to shove, I am pretty sure that if Hildo and I endorsed it,
the CPAN maintainers would make the change.   I have followed the DBIC
ownership debacle from a distance, and I think that was handled extremely
professionally by David Golden, for example.   Now, I honestly think that
the team in question is so deep underwater with everything we created (that
infrastructure and the management application we built are perhaps the most
successful work of my career, and they still use it), that they will most
likely be thrilled to give this up.

Anyway, if it is not obvious, please keep this discussion entirely
confidential for now.  I am putting the priorities of the open source
community before those of my employers here, and so taking a bit of
political risk by doing so.I am, for lack of clearly better judgment,
working at MS again right now, so I would appreciate you NOT sharing this
discussion publicly until it is appropriate to do so.   This is also why I
am in the perfect spot to broker the ownership change.

I am going to proactively reach out to Golden, and inquire about the
process here, as I don't think you will ever see another release if we
don't, so I will bring him into this discussion as well.   Please give me
about a week to get the internal feedback on this.


On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 10:17 AM, Neil Bowers <neil.bow...@cogendo.com>
wrote:

> Hi Thorsten,
>
> I'd like to adopt the MQSeries module.
>
> A year ago I've uploaded a patch (bug id 113894), but nothing happened.
> Then I've sent a mail to mqser...@cpan.org, but received a bounce mail
> (user unknown) from Morgan Stanley's mail server. Now I have found another
> issue and sent a mail to this address again, but still the same bounce
> mail. The module has open bug reports that are 8 years old. And the last
> release was built in 2012.
>
> Now I have requested a PAUSE account and forked the read-only repo mirror
> on github (gitpan/MQSeries) into my own account (thorstenhirsch/MQSeries)
> in order to continue development.
>
> What are the next steps?
>
>
> The README for the distribution lists Hildo Biersma and W Phillip Moore,
> so they may know how you can get in touch with the current maintainer, or
> get co-maint permission. They’ve both got PAUSE accounts, so I’ve copied
> them on this email.
>
> Hildo & Phillip, do you know the status of this module, and who is the
> right person to decide if Thorsten can have co-maint?
>
> Cheers,
> Neil
>
>