Re: module CDDB-0.9.tar.gz

[Ask Bjoern Hansen]

On Wed, 17 May 2000, Armin Obersteiner wrote:

> http://search.cpan.org/search?dist=CDDB-0.9

btw,

I hacked up a slightly improved version of your module. :-) (or at least
the code is neater). Let me know if you want it.


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Re: module CDDB-0.9.tar.gz

[Graham Barr]

On Fri, May 19, 2000 at 12:25:07AM +0200, Andreas J. Koenig wrote:
> > On Thu, 18 May 2000 14:30:49 +0100, Graham Barr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> 
>  > Should we check just dist names, module name or both.
> 
> Dist names have no meaning to PAUSE.

Right, but they do on search.cpan.org as it is one thing a user can
search on. So maybe I should use both.

I could notify an author automatically if thier distribution will not be
indexed. This may encourage them to change it.

>  > My concern is that there are times when dists change hands, and this will
>  > need manual intervention. Which I would really like to avoid.
> 
> It does need manual intervention only on PAUSE. The result of the
> manual intervention can be found in the 02packages... file. People
> uploading something they do not own, just are not listed in that file.

Right.

Graham.

Re: module CDDB-0.9.tar.gz

[Andreas J. Koenig]

> On Thu, 18 May 2000 14:30:49 +0100, Graham Barr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

 > Should we check just dist names, module name or both.

Dist names have no meaning to PAUSE.

 > My concern is that there are times when dists change hands, and this will
 > need manual intervention. Which I would really like to avoid.

It does need manual intervention only on PAUSE. The result of the
manual intervention can be found in the 02packages... file. People
uploading something they do not own, just are not listed in that file.

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Re: module CDDB-0.9.tar.gz

[Andreas J. Koenig]

> On Thu, 18 May 2000 08:30:18 +0100, Graham Barr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

 > On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 08:44:33AM +0200, Andreas J. Koenig wrote:
>> Uploading is not censored on PAUSE, indexing is. Rocco was the first

 > This is not implemented on search.cpan.org. search will index anything
 > uploaded, maybe that has to change.

>> to occupy CDDB namespace and without human intervention, he remains
>> owner.

 > CDDB namespace as in dist name or do you check the modules inside ?

Modules inside. PAUSE parses all .pm files to discover the namespaces.

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Re: module CDDB-0.9.tar.gz

[Graham Barr]

On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 09:25:50AM -0400, Chris Nandor wrote:
> At 8.30 +0100 2000.05.18, Graham Barr wrote:
> >On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 08:44:33AM +0200, Andreas J. Koenig wrote:
> >> Uploading is not censored on PAUSE, indexing is. Rocco was the first
> >
> >This is not implemented on search.cpan.org. search will index anything
> >uploaded, maybe that has to change.
> 
> Yeah, or else anyone can take over any namespace on search.cpan.org.

Should we check just dist names, module name or both.

My concern is that there are times when dists change hands, and this will
need manual intervention. Which I would really like to avoid.

Graham.

Re: module CDDB-0.9.tar.gz

[Chris Nandor]

At 8.30 +0100 2000.05.18, Graham Barr wrote:
>On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 08:44:33AM +0200, Andreas J. Koenig wrote:
>> Uploading is not censored on PAUSE, indexing is. Rocco was the first
>
>This is not implemented on search.cpan.org. search will index anything
>uploaded, maybe that has to change.

Yeah, or else anyone can take over any namespace on search.cpan.org.

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Re: module CDDB-0.9.tar.gz

[Graham Barr]

On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 08:44:33AM +0200, Andreas J. Koenig wrote:
> Uploading is not censored on PAUSE, indexing is. Rocco was the first

This is not implemented on search.cpan.org. search will index anything
uploaded, maybe that has to change.

> to occupy CDDB namespace and without human intervention, he remains
> owner.

CDDB namespace as in dist name or do you check the modules inside ?

Graham.

Re: module CDDB-0.9.tar.gz

[Andreas J. Koenig]

> On Wed, 17 May 2000 12:47:59 -0400, Chris Nandor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

 > At 17.38 +0100 2000.05.17, Graham Barr wrote:
>> I am not sure where the bug is, maybe PAUSE, maybe search.cpan.org, maybe
>> both,
>> but
>> 
>> find . -name CDDB\*gz -ls
>> 10493 May 14 10:50 ./F/FO/FONKIE/CDDB-0.9.tar.gz
>> 10493 May 15 11:44 ./K/KR/KRAEHE/CDDB-0.9.tar.gz
>> 11706 Nov  7  1998 ./R/RC/RCAPUTO/CDDB-0.06-beta.tar.gz
>> 12471 Jan 10  1999 ./R/RC/RCAPUTO/CDDB-0.07.tar.gz
>> 12916 Jul 16  1999 ./R/RC/RCAPUTO/CDDB-1.00.tar.gz
>> 13227 Jul 16  1999 ./R/RC/RCAPUTO/CDDB-1.01.tar.gz
>> 13422 Aug 13  1999 ./R/RC/RCAPUTO/CDDB-1.02.tar.gz
>> 13829 Apr 29 22:00 ./R/RC/RCAPUTO/CDDB-1.03.tar.gz

 > I see two problems.  One, that someone was allowed to upload CDDB other
 > than Rocco (that seems to me to be a bug, but I could be wrong). 

Uploading is not censored on PAUSE, indexing is. Rocco was the first
to occupy CDDB namespace and without human intervention, he remains
owner.

At some point I'd like to start censoring uploads as well, because it
helps to spot error conditions earlier in the game.

 > The other
 > is that somehow FONKIE and KRAEHE have the exact same distribution.
 > Perhaps KRAEHE mistakenly claimed it as his own after FONKIE already
 > uploaded it?

This can easily happen (but doesn't happen very often). On PAUSE, the
uploaded files share a common incoming directory and people can point
to the wrong one and. No serious problem.

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andreas

Re: module CDDB-0.9.tar.gz

[Chris Nandor]

At 17.38 +0100 2000.05.17, Graham Barr wrote:
>I am not sure where the bug is, maybe PAUSE, maybe search.cpan.org, maybe
>both,
>but
>
>find . -name CDDB\*gz -ls
> 10493 May 14 10:50 ./F/FO/FONKIE/CDDB-0.9.tar.gz
> 10493 May 15 11:44 ./K/KR/KRAEHE/CDDB-0.9.tar.gz
> 11706 Nov  7  1998 ./R/RC/RCAPUTO/CDDB-0.06-beta.tar.gz
> 12471 Jan 10  1999 ./R/RC/RCAPUTO/CDDB-0.07.tar.gz
> 12916 Jul 16  1999 ./R/RC/RCAPUTO/CDDB-1.00.tar.gz
> 13227 Jul 16  1999 ./R/RC/RCAPUTO/CDDB-1.01.tar.gz
> 13422 Aug 13  1999 ./R/RC/RCAPUTO/CDDB-1.02.tar.gz
> 13829 Apr 29 22:00 ./R/RC/RCAPUTO/CDDB-1.03.tar.gz

I see two problems.  One, that someone was allowed to upload CDDB other
than Rocco (that seems to me to be a bug, but I could be wrong).  The other
is that somehow FONKIE and KRAEHE have the exact same distribution.
Perhaps KRAEHE mistakenly claimed it as his own after FONKIE already
uploaded it?

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Re: module CDDB-0.9.tar.gz

[Graham Barr]

On Wed, May 17, 2000 at 12:19:52PM -0400, Chris Nandor wrote:
> At 18.12 +0200 2000.05.17, Armin Obersteiner wrote:
> >hi!
> >
> >i have a pause account (user: fonkie) an uploaded the file.
> >
> >http://search.cpan.org/search?dist=CDDB-0.9
> >
> >shows my module, but another author ???!!!
> >why?
> >
> >did i do anything wrong? (i'm a first-timer)
> 
> Yes.  You uploaded a module that already existed.  I do not know why CDDB
> is listed under Michael Koehne, though.  Rocco Caputo is the author of CDDB:
> 
> http://www.perl.com/CPAN-local/authors/id/R/RC/RCAPUTO/
> 
> 
> >how to find a good place in the namespace tree?
> 
> Well, look on CPAN or at search.cpan.org to see if it already exists.
> 
> Although this seems like it may be a PAUSE bug; I thought that no one could
> upload "DistName-\d+.\d+.tar.gz" if DistName already belonged to another
> author.

I am not sure where the bug is, maybe PAUSE, maybe search.cpan.org, maybe both,
but

find . -name CDDB\*gz -ls
 10493 May 14 10:50 ./F/FO/FONKIE/CDDB-0.9.tar.gz
 10493 May 15 11:44 ./K/KR/KRAEHE/CDDB-0.9.tar.gz
 11706 Nov  7  1998 ./R/RC/RCAPUTO/CDDB-0.06-beta.tar.gz
 12471 Jan 10  1999 ./R/RC/RCAPUTO/CDDB-0.07.tar.gz
 12916 Jul 16  1999 ./R/RC/RCAPUTO/CDDB-1.00.tar.gz
 13227 Jul 16  1999 ./R/RC/RCAPUTO/CDDB-1.01.tar.gz
 13422 Aug 13  1999 ./R/RC/RCAPUTO/CDDB-1.02.tar.gz
 13829 Apr 29 22:00 ./R/RC/RCAPUTO/CDDB-1.03.tar.gz

0.9 does not exist in R/RC/RCAPUTO, but newer versions do.

But IIRC search.cpan.org uses that latest uploaded as you cannot always
determine a version number from the dist name. Although it is getting
better.

Graham.

Re: module CDDB-0.9.tar.gz

[Graham Barr]

This happened because both you and Michael Koehne (userid: KRAEHE )
have uploaded a distribution called CDDB-0.9. And Michael's
was uploaded after yours.

However looking in the files in K/KR/KRAEHE they look like
copies of yours.

Andreas, any ideas how this happened ?

Graham.

On Wed, May 17, 2000 at 06:12:14PM +0200, Armin Obersteiner wrote:
> hi!
> 
> i have a pause account (user: fonkie) an uploaded the file.
> 
> http://search.cpan.org/search?dist=CDDB-0.9
> 
> shows my module, but another author ???!!!
> why?
> 
> did i do anything wrong? (i'm a first-timer)
> 
> how to find a good place in the namespace tree?
> 
> Ciao,
>   Armin
> 

Re: module CDDB-0.9.tar.gz

[Chris Nandor]

At 18.12 +0200 2000.05.17, Armin Obersteiner wrote:
>hi!
>
>i have a pause account (user: fonkie) an uploaded the file.
>
>http://search.cpan.org/search?dist=CDDB-0.9
>
>shows my module, but another author ???!!!
>why?
>
>did i do anything wrong? (i'm a first-timer)

Yes.  You uploaded a module that already existed.  I do not know why CDDB
is listed under Michael Koehne, though.  Rocco Caputo is the author of CDDB:

http://www.perl.com/CPAN-local/authors/id/R/RC/RCAPUTO/


>how to find a good place in the namespace tree?

Well, look on CPAN or at search.cpan.org to see if it already exists.

Although this seems like it may be a PAUSE bug; I thought that no one could
upload "DistName-\d+.\d+.tar.gz" if DistName already belonged to another
author.

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module CDDB-0.9.tar.gz

[Armin Obersteiner]

hi!

i have a pause account (user: fonkie) an uploaded the file.

http://search.cpan.org/search?dist=CDDB-0.9

shows my module, but another author ???!!!
why?

did i do anything wrong? (i'm a first-timer)

how to find a good place in the namespace tree?

Ciao,
Armin