Re: [Mono-dev] Porting runtime - where to start?

2007-03-31 Thread virgile . bello
Quoting Miguel de Icaza [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Hello,

  When I checked about using the interpreter, I've read somewhere that it
 wasn't
  up to date anymore (maybe the info was too old and it's now up to date to
  execute everything, anyone can confirm ?).

 It still builds, but no maintenance has gone into it.   It is also
 missing important things like generics support, that was never updated.

 But the main problem you have with the interpreter is that the
 interpreter *also* needs to generate dynamic code.   All the trampoline
 code is emitted at runtime so you need to have that.

Ok, thanks for the summary of its current state  issues.

 So in short: the interpreter just generates *less* code than the JIT,
 but it still generates code.

 I heard from an embedded customer of ours that they are looking at
 pregenerating all the trampoline code but am not sure this is a long
 term strategy.

It could be very promising !

 Miguel.




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Re: [Mono-dev] Porting runtime - where to start?

2007-03-31 Thread virgile . bello
As of December XDK it wasn't possible. I checked doc of february one and it was
still the same, and I'm downloading april one right now to check doc if anything
changed (though nothing changed according to release note).
Btw, when I asked, it was also confirmed on xbox mailing list by microsoft
people that it was designed to be impossible to do that. I really hope they
change it ! (even if it requires some protection security scheme). Best would be
a partnership with XBOX and Mono... Well, just kidding of course !

Sincerely
Virgile Bello

Quoting Miguel de Icaza [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Hello,

  prevented me to continue (you can check the blog post I did about that on
  http://dev.kalimdor.org/entropia/).

 I read somewhere that some of those restrictions were being lifted, am I
 incorrect?

 Miguel




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Re: [Mono-dev] Porting runtime - where to start?

2007-03-31 Thread virgile . bello
The problem of AOT is that it only generates .so (or .dll on Win32 platform I
guess). Nevertheless, XBOX executable format, .xex, has to go through their
special compilator. So, no other way that I know than getting C++ code to
compile.

Quoting Miguel de Icaza [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Hello,

  Just to let you know since I did something very similiar for XBOX360 :
  Even if I was able to make glib and then mono compile on XBOX360 (it was a
 bit
  painful but doable) and it generated valid code to execute at runtime,
  nevertheless memory protection against execution of user allocated area
 totally
  prevented me to continue (you can check the blog post I did about that on
  http://dev.kalimdor.org/entropia/).

 Another thing that am wondering is whether precompilation (AOT) might be
 enough to use Mono on those consoles.

 Miguel.




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Re: [Mono-dev] Need help tracking this bug...

2007-03-31 Thread Alan McGovern

Hi,

I just compiled the latest SVN head, and once again monotorrent works
perfectly (well, as perfectly as to be expected ;) ). No more crazy memory
usage, which means it was a mono bug after all. I just wish i knew what
exactly had gone wrong inside mono. For the amount of time i spent trying to
figure out what it was, i feel cheated that someone else fixed it before i
could ;)

Anyway, thanks for the help joe, i couldn't have gotten as far as i did
without you.

Alan.

On 3/31/07, Alan McGovern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Ok, i did a quick bit of testing on my code.

Firstly, the 54 instances of SocketAsyncResult do make sense. Typically
there will *always* be a pending BeginReceive on every socket i have opened.
Therefore 54 instances of SocketAsyncResult would correspond to 54 open
connections, which is pretty standard stuff.

Every call to socket.BeginXXX or socket.EndXXX goes through a
TCPConnection class, so i added a count there so i could see how many calls
to each BeginXXX and EndXXX method i actually make. The results were pretty
much as expected. There was always a difference between BeginReceive and
EndReceive pretty much equal to the number of sockets i have open. The
difference between BeginSend and EndSend was always close enough to zero,
which would also make sense as most messages i'm sending would only be a few
bytes in size. The difference between the BeginConnects and EndConnects is
always 5. This is right as i've set it so i only connect to at most 5 people
at any one instant.

So i can rule out a bug in my code that's causing millions of BeginXXX's
without corresponding EndXXX's. There'd typically be between 80 and 120
Begin/EndReceive calls a second, which isn't that much really. A similar
amount for Begin/EndSend.


On 3/31/07, Alan McGovern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi,

 That leaves me with the question of how the hell a SocketAsyncResult is
 10 megs in size! The size of the largest single object in my entire code is
 a 16kB byte[] buffer. If each SocketAsyncResult is 10 megabytes in size, i
 have to question the internal workings of mono, as i know from profiling my
 own code does *not* create objects anywhere near that size.

 I'm going to do a bit of profiling to count how many socket BeginXXX
 calls are made from my own code as compared to the EndXXX calls to see how
 they match up.

 Is there any way of finding out what exactly is inside those
 SocketAsyncResults that is 10 megs in size? I can verify that the exact same
 code running under Mono 1.2 and earlier does *not* exhibit the same
 behavior, everything works fine. I only came across this bug after updating
 my mono installation to 1.2.3. This is why i think it's a mono bug,
 however i can't reproduce the problem in the form of an NUnit test.

 Thanks again,
 Alan.

 On 3/30/07, Joe Shaw  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hi again,
 
  On 3/30/07, Joe Shaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   That huge object array, in turn, is referenced by
   System.Collections.Queue - System.Net.Socket.Socket , specifically
  the
   readQ member.  So basically it means that the readQ member in
   System.Net.Socket.Socket is a huge Queue, which internally has an
   object array, which apparently has millions of SocketAsyncResult
   objects inside.  So how those are being allocated?
  
   These objects are created a lot[...]
 
  I got a little ahead of myself here: I'm obviously looking at the code
  for System.Net.Sockets.Socket here.
 
   I don't know much about the Socket class and how the async IO
   works, but it boils down to the fact that BeginReceive() is being
   called probably millions of times, but it doesn't look like
  Complete()
   is being called enough (or possibly at all) to balance the load.
 
  I actually noticed something else:
 
  The object array in question has an average size of 10.6 megs, but it
  only holds 56 references to SocketAsyncResult at the time of this
  snapshot.  So this seems to indicate to me that the enqueues and
  dequeues do ultimately match up, but that the allocation pattern is
  bad and probably not interspersed.  That is,
 
  enqueue, enqueue, dequeue, dequeue, enqueue, enqueue, etc.
 
  would mean that an array could be as small as 2 items and still work
  for N items, assuming a 1:1 match..  But if the pattern is instead,
 
  enqueue, enqueue, enqueue, enqueue, dequeue, dequeue, etc.
 
  then it would have to be at least N.  Now pretend N is a million. :)
 
  Joe
 



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[Mono-dev] completionPortThreads in threadpool.c not used?

2007-03-31 Thread John Hurliman
I'm writing a UDP client that attempts to detect when there are no more 
available threads in the ThreadPool for doing packet processing with 
Begin/EndReceiveFrom(), and I noticed in 
http://svn.myrealbox.com/viewcvs/trunk/mono/mono/metadata/threadpool.c?rev=73042view=markup
 
that the completionPortThread argument is always set to zero or not used 
in all of the static ThreadPool members. Does Mono handle things 
differently, and how can I find out if there are available threads to 
process additional packets? I was going to ask about the status of 
ThreadPool.SetMaxThreads but it may not be relevant if Mono is not using 
the completionPortThread argument.

John Hurliman
libsecondlife Developer (http://www.libsecondlife.org/)
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