Re: [Mono-dev] How do I develop mono/C# applications for the AppleiPhone?
Hi Daniel, Firstly, I'll only talk about the authorized development scene for the device. If you don't already know or can't find out about alternate methods, then you'll probably have little success with them if I pointed you in their direction. Firstly you're going to need to get a mac to dev on. An intel Mini with 10.5 is minimum requirements for the iPhone toolchain, but will do the job fine. Spring for some extra RAM, but google around for DIY upgrade, don't pay the Apple tax on it. Next you're going to need ADC membership (which is free), and then sign up to the iPhone dev program (also free) which will let you download the toolchain (including emulator) but then you'll need to pay over $99 for a certificate to let you run any apps you develop on the device. Then you're all set to develop and deploy to the iPhone in general. If you're wanting to start hacking around in mono on the device, the first thing to do would be to check out the source from the SVN server, and look at ~/mono/build-mono.sh. This is what will enable you to cross-compile using the apple toolchain. From then on you're into exposing APIs, working out a nice productive development / deployment toolchain and all that good stuff. Also, bear in mind that the combination of the Apple developer agreement and Novell's license terms for mono means that if you're going to be a commercial developer, you'll need to speak to Novell regarding a commercial license. But IANAL, so take professional advice as necessary. Or you can go for the Unity option. You'll still need the mac and the $99 certificate from Apple, but if you want to dev in c# on the iPhone, it's really going to be your quickest route to deployment. One of the best things about it is that you can do extremely rapid code-build-test cycles...in the order of about 3 seconds until you're seeing the results of your changes. I know that it seems like a large outlay, but if you're seriously looking to develop any game-style applications and you want to avoid a whole world of pain then I'd really recommend the Unity route. If you're more in it for the hacker culture aspect of cool toys, or if you want to do applications rather than games then try without it first. Once you've got the mac setup, you can always evaluate the 30 day trial of Unity to see how you get on with it as an environment. Hope this helps, Dave P.S. In the interest of full disclosure, my wife works at Unity. But that doesn't change the fact that it's the easiest route to getting c# on an iPhone ;-) -Original Message- From: mono-devel-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com [mailto:mono-devel-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Morgan Sent: 26. februar 2009 18:56 To: mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com Subject: [Mono-dev] How do I develop mono/C# applications for the AppleiPhone? I love the iphone. I recently got one (my first apple computer if you think about it). Now, I would like to develop my own applications for the iphone, but I do not know where to start. I have done an internet search and found stuff, but there is nothing that can get a C# developer who is used to windows to use and develop iphone apps on a Mac in C#. What would be the minimum requirements for a computer to develop iphone applications with? Will a Mac Mini with Intel running Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard suffice? How much RAM and Hard Disk space do I need? I would rather write these iphone apps in C# than Objective-C. This is where Mono comes in mind. I believe you can use static compilation in Mono using AOT compilation and a tool called Linker. I've seen a tool from unity3d, but that tool is expensive. After shelling out for the iphone, a mac mini, the apple developer program, i don't think there will be much left. Unity Indie for $200 and the iPhone Publishing Basic for $400 for a total of $600. So, what does one need to build applications for the iphone in C#? What tools must I install on the Mac (the iphone SDK and Mono of course) to do this? What steps must I take to build these apps? Thanks, Daniel ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list This e-mail is confidential, the property of NDS Ltd and intended for the addressee only. Any dissemination, copying or distribution of this message or any attachments by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the postmas...@nds.com and destroy the original message. Messages sent to and from NDS may be monitored. NDS cannot guarantee any message delivery method is secure or error-free. Information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. We do not accept responsibility for any errors or omissions in this message and/or attachment that arise as a result
Re: [Mono-dev] How do I develop mono/C# applications for the AppleiPhone?
Mariner, David wrote: Hi Daniel, Firstly, I'll only talk about the authorized development scene for the device. If you don't already know or can't find out about alternate methods, then you'll probably have little success with them if I pointed you in their direction. In my case, I'm interest in all directions, so please point me in that direction, where do I start? Firstly you're going to need to get a mac to dev on. An intel Mini with 10.5 is minimum requirements for the iPhone toolchain, but will do the job fine. Spring for some extra RAM, but google around for DIY upgrade, don't pay the Apple tax on it. Next you're going to need ADC membership (which is free), and then sign up to the iPhone dev program (also free) which will let you download the toolchain (including emulator) but then you'll need to pay over $99 for a certificate to let you run any apps you develop on the device. Then you're all set to develop and deploy to the iPhone in general. If you're wanting to start hacking around in mono on the device, the first thing to do would be to check out the source from the SVN server, and look at ~/mono/build-mono.sh. This is what will enable you to cross-compile using the apple toolchain. From then on you're into exposing APIs, working out a nice productive development / deployment toolchain and all that good stuff. Also, bear in mind that the combination of the Apple developer agreement and Novell's license terms for mono means that if you're going to be a commercial developer, you'll need to speak to Novell regarding a commercial license. But IANAL, so take professional advice as necessary. Or you can go for the Unity option. You'll still need the mac and the $99 certificate from Apple, but if you want to dev in c# on the iPhone, it's really going to be your quickest route to deployment. One of the best things about it is that you can do extremely rapid code-build-test cycles...in the order of about 3 seconds until you're seeing the results of your changes. I know that it seems like a large outlay, but if you're seriously looking to develop any game-style applications and you want to avoid a whole world of pain then I'd really recommend the Unity route. If you're more in it for the hacker culture aspect of cool toys, or if you want to do applications rather than games then try without it first. Once you've got the mac setup, you can always evaluate the 30 day trial of Unity to see how you get on with it as an environment. Hope this helps, Dave P.S. In the interest of full disclosure, my wife works at Unity. But that doesn't change the fact that it's the easiest route to getting c# on an iPhone ;-) -Original Message- From: mono-devel-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com [mailto:mono-devel-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Morgan Sent: 26. februar 2009 18:56 To: mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com Subject: [Mono-dev] How do I develop mono/C# applications for the AppleiPhone? I love the iphone. I recently got one (my first apple computer if you think about it). Now, I would like to develop my own applications for the iphone, but I do not know where to start. I have done an internet search and found stuff, but there is nothing that can get a C# developer who is used to windows to use and develop iphone apps on a Mac in C#. What would be the minimum requirements for a computer to develop iphone applications with? Will a Mac Mini with Intel running Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard suffice? How much RAM and Hard Disk space do I need? I would rather write these iphone apps in C# than Objective-C. This is where Mono comes in mind. I believe you can use static compilation in Mono using AOT compilation and a tool called Linker. I've seen a tool from unity3d, but that tool is expensive. After shelling out for the iphone, a mac mini, the apple developer program, i don't think there will be much left. Unity Indie for $200 and the iPhone Publishing Basic for $400 for a total of $600. So, what does one need to build applications for the iphone in C#? What tools must I install on the Mac (the iphone SDK and Mono of course) to do this? What steps must I take to build these apps? Thanks, Daniel ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list This e-mail is confidential, the property of NDS Ltd and intended for the addressee only. Any dissemination, copying or distribution of this message or any attachments by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the postmas...@nds.com and destroy the original message. Messages sent to and from NDS may be monitored. NDS cannot guarantee any message delivery method is secure or error-free. Information could be intercepted
Re: [Mono-dev] How do I develop mono/C# applications for the AppleiPhone?
I'm only interested in legitimate means. I registered at the Apple Developer Program for info on the iPhone, and I looked around the site reading docs and watching videos. Yet, I was unable to find anything about the minimum RAM and recommended RAM requirements on the development machine for creating iPhone applications. And the requirements for hard disk space. I think the iPhone SDK is about 2GB. It would be nice if Unity had a cheaper edition of Unity and iPhone Publishing for those who want to explore building C# applications on the iPhone. The cheaper edition could be made to only work on the virtual iPhone or some other limitation. If someone thinks their apps would be usefull to others, they could upgrade to an edition which allows deployment to an iPhone or Apple's AppStore. To be honest, this would be only a hobby. And I do not plan on writing games. --- On Fri, 2/27/09, Mariner, David dmari...@nds.com wrote: From: Mariner, David dmari...@nds.com Subject: Re: [Mono-dev] How do I develop mono/C# applications for the AppleiPhone? To: mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com Date: Friday, February 27, 2009, 6:51 AM Hi Daniel, Firstly, I'll only talk about the authorized development scene for the device. If you don't already know or can't find out about alternate methods, then you'll probably have little success with them if I pointed you in their direction. Firstly you're going to need to get a mac to dev on. An intel Mini with 10.5 is minimum requirements for the iPhone toolchain, but will do the job fine. Spring for some extra RAM, but google around for DIY upgrade, don't pay the Apple tax on it. Next you're going to need ADC membership (which is free), and then sign up to the iPhone dev program (also free) which will let you download the toolchain (including emulator) but then you'll need to pay over $99 for a certificate to let you run any apps you develop on the device. Then you're all set to develop and deploy to the iPhone in general. If you're wanting to start hacking around in mono on the device, the first thing to do would be to check out the source from the SVN server, and look at ~/mono/build-mono.sh. This is what will enable you to cross-compile using the apple toolchain. From then on you're into exposing APIs, working out a nice productive development / deployment toolchain and all that good stuff. Also, bear in mind that the combination of the Apple developer agreement and Novell's license terms for mono means that if you're going to be a commercial developer, you'll need to speak to Novell regarding a commercial license. But IANAL, so take professional advice as necessary. Or you can go for the Unity option. You'll still need the mac and the $99 certificate from Apple, but if you want to dev in c# on the iPhone, it's really going to be your quickest route to deployment. One of the best things about it is that you can do extremely rapid code-build-test cycles...in the order of about 3 seconds until you're seeing the results of your changes. I know that it seems like a large outlay, but if you're seriously looking to develop any game-style applications and you want to avoid a whole world of pain then I'd really recommend the Unity route. If you're more in it for the hacker culture aspect of cool toys, or if you want to do applications rather than games then try without it first. Once you've got the mac setup, you can always evaluate the 30 day trial of Unity to see how you get on with it as an environment. Hope this helps, Dave P.S. In the interest of full disclosure, my wife works at Unity. But that doesn't change the fact that it's the easiest route to getting c# on an iPhone ;-) -Original Message- From: mono-devel-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com [mailto:mono-devel-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Morgan Sent: 26. februar 2009 18:56 To: mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com Subject: [Mono-dev] How do I develop mono/C# applications for the AppleiPhone? I love the iphone. I recently got one (my first apple computer if you think about it). Now, I would like to develop my own applications for the iphone, but I do not know where to start. I have done an internet search and found stuff, but there is nothing that can get a C# developer who is used to windows to use and develop iphone apps on a Mac in C#. What would be the minimum requirements for a computer to develop iphone applications with? Will a Mac Mini with Intel running Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard suffice? How much RAM and Hard Disk space do I need? I would rather write these iphone apps in C# than Objective-C. This is where Mono comes in mind. I believe you can use static compilation in Mono using AOT compilation and a tool called Linker. I've seen a tool from unity3d, but that tool is expensive. After shelling out for the iphone
Re: [Mono-dev] How do I develop mono/C# applications for the AppleiPhone?
Buy or have a Intel Mac with Mac OS X at least 10.5 Leopard. Do an update to the latest version of Mac OS X. A Mac Mini will work just fine. Go here to the Apple iPhone Developer Program web site: http://developer.apple.com/iphone/program/ If you need to register, go to this site: http://developer.apple.com/iphone/ See link Not a Registered iPhone Developer? and click Start now. If you already have an Apple ID, then click Log In to register your Apple ID for the membership. If you do not have an Apple ID, click Create Apple ID. Registration if Free. Once you do this, you will have access to all the documentation, videos, and the iPhone SDK for you to download. The SDK will allow you to develop on a iphone emulator using the xcode IDE. However, if you want to deploy to an actual iphone or the AppStore, you will need to pay Apple $99 for the Standard Program. If you do not use Mono or Unity, you will have to learn Objective-C. Unity Indie $200 and iPhone Publishing Basic $400 = $600 iPhone 3G with 8GB $200 Mac Mini Intel with Mac OS X 10.5 Leopar $600 (does not include Keyboard and mouse) KeyboardKit for mac - $25 Mouse for mac - $25 Total is about $1450 --- On Fri, 2/27/09, buhochil...@gmail.com buhochil...@gmail.com wrote: From: buhochil...@gmail.com buhochil...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Mono-dev] How do I develop mono/C# applications for the AppleiPhone? To: Mono devel list mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com Date: Friday, February 27, 2009, 7:00 AM Mariner, David wrote: Hi Daniel, Firstly, I'll only talk about the authorized development scene for the device. If you don't already know or can't find out about alternate methods, then you'll probably have little success with them if I pointed you in their direction. In my case, I'm interest in all directions, so please point me in that direction, where do I start? Firstly you're going to need to get a mac to dev on. An intel Mini with 10.5 is minimum requirements for the iPhone toolchain, but will do the job fine. Spring for some extra RAM, but google around for DIY upgrade, don't pay the Apple tax on it. Next you're going to need ADC membership (which is free), and then sign up to the iPhone dev program (also free) which will let you download the toolchain (including emulator) but then you'll need to pay over $99 for a certificate to let you run any apps you develop on the device. Then you're all set to develop and deploy to the iPhone in general. If you're wanting to start hacking around in mono on the device, the first thing to do would be to check out the source from the SVN server, and look at ~/mono/build-mono.sh. This is what will enable you to cross-compile using the apple toolchain. From then on you're into exposing APIs, working out a nice productive development / deployment toolchain and all that good stuff. Also, bear in mind that the combination of the Apple developer agreement and Novell's license terms for mono means that if you're going to be a commercial developer, you'll need to speak to Novell regarding a commercial license. But IANAL, so take professional advice as necessary. Or you can go for the Unity option. You'll still need the mac and the $99 certificate from Apple, but if you want to dev in c# on the iPhone, it's really going to be your quickest route to deployment. One of the best things about it is that you can do extremely rapid code-build-test cycles...in the order of about 3 seconds until you're seeing the results of your changes. I know that it seems like a large outlay, but if you're seriously looking to develop any game-style applications and you want to avoid a whole world of pain then I'd really recommend the Unity route. If you're more in it for the hacker culture aspect of cool toys, or if you want to do applications rather than games then try without it first. Once you've got the mac setup, you can always evaluate the 30 day trial of Unity to see how you get on with it as an environment. Hope this helps, Dave P.S. In the interest of full disclosure, my wife works at Unity. But that doesn't change the fact that it's the easiest route to getting c# on an iPhone ;-) -Original Message- From: mono-devel-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com [mailto:mono-devel-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Morgan Sent: 26. februar 2009 18:56 To: mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com Subject: [Mono-dev] How do I develop mono/C# applications for the AppleiPhone? I love the iphone. I recently got one (my first apple computer if you think about it). Now, I would like to develop my own applications for the iphone, but I do not know where to start. I have done an internet search and found stuff, but there is nothing that can get a C# developer who is used to windows to use and develop iphone apps on a Mac
Re: [Mono-dev] How do I develop mono/C# applications for the AppleiPhone?
the easiest route to getting c# on an iPhone ;-) -Original Message- From: mono-devel-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com [mailto:mono-devel-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Morgan Sent: 26. februar 2009 18:56 To: mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com Subject: [Mono-dev] How do I develop mono/C# applications for the AppleiPhone? I love the iphone. I recently got one (my first apple computer if you think about it). Now, I would like to develop my own applications for the iphone, but I do not know where to start. I have done an internet search and found stuff, but there is nothing that can get a C# developer who is used to windows to use and develop iphone apps on a Mac in C#. What would be the minimum requirements for a computer to develop iphone applications with? Will a Mac Mini with Intel running Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard suffice? How much RAM and Hard Disk space do I need? I would rather write these iphone apps in C# than Objective-C. This is where Mono comes in mind. I believe you can use static compilation in Mono using AOT compilation and a tool called Linker. I've seen a tool from unity3d, but that tool is expensive. After shelling out for the iphone, a mac mini, the apple developer program, i don't think there will be much left. Unity Indie for $200 and the iPhone Publishing Basic for $400 for a total of $600. So, what does one need to build applications for the iphone in C#? What tools must I install on the Mac (the iphone SDK and Mono of course) to do this? What steps must I take to build these apps? Thanks, Daniel ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list This e-mail is confidential, the property of NDS Ltd and intended for the addressee only. Any dissemination, copying or distribution of this message or any attachments by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the postmas...@nds.com and destroy the original message. Messages sent to and from NDS may be monitored. NDS cannot guarantee any message delivery method is secure or error-free. Information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. We do not accept responsibility for any errors or omissions in this message and/or attachment that arise as a result of transmission. You should carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of NDS. To protect the environment please do not print this e-mail unless necessary. ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/How-do-I-develop-mono-C--applications-for-the-Apple-iPhone--tp9867p22247494.html Sent from the Mono - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
