Re: [Mono-dev] Re: What would you like to see in Mono?
On Sunday 16 April 2006 05:24, Pablo Iñigo Blasco wrote: Greetings folks, A developer group looking for a platform to deploy theirs applications wants: - Secure platform stable platform and dinamic(i think mono it is enough, but it has to be proven, we can't do anything only the time can) - Modern abstract POO language (Mono supports the most successful languages) - Tons of Documentation, clear and proffesional (MS has got it, indirectly Mono has got it) - Compatible extendible platforms and Cooperable(Web Services) with others platforms. - IMHO The best IDE(perhaps it makes the difference between the current leaders platforms) Nowadays is the most attractive feature for developing an application. Something like eclipse for mono with web and winform designer. · IDE (BrainStorm) - quick and effective Intelli-Sense with quick documentation that doesn't leave the screen. - Debugger fully integrated with the IDE, better debugger tools,for example in VS you can see values of basics types and explore the state of an object putting the mouse over the reference in the code.(that's incredibly useful) - Be able to develop asp.net with automatic cooperation with either XSP or ModMono, and a second step would be develop them with visual tools. Integrate apache(mod_mono) or xsp so that we can preview web page by just selecting preview in web browser. (same as VS 2005) - WebService use and deployment facilities. - Tools or plugins for integration of Nunit, Ajax, ifolder, monoUML...and Samples how to develop theese plugins. A class designer as in VS 2005. if mono now supports winforms why dont try use sharpdevelop on linux (i know that monodevelop is the linux the port of sharpdevelop but they are not the same) Why do the things twice. · Documentation(BrainStorm) Concentrate the effort in better documentation about those things exclusive in mono such as: - Runtime source code - Mono APIS - Embedding mono,mkbundle adventages Single click setup/ installer builder. - Samples developing plugins for the IDE Plugable as eclipse. This is my humble point of view. Bye. ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list -- - Sharique uddin Ahmed Farooqui http://www.managefolio.com/sharique DOAccess : Object data access library for MySql. Zero codeing, early binding for MySql ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] Re: What would you like to see in Mono?
Greetings folks, A developer group looking for a platform to deploy theirs applications wants: - Secure platform stable platform and dinamic(i think mono it is enough, but it has to be proven, we can't do anything only the time can) - Modern abstract POO language (Mono supports the most successful languages) - Tons of Documentation, clear and proffesional (MS has got it, indirectly Mono has got it) - Compatible extendible platforms and Cooperable(Web Services) with others platforms. - IMHO The best IDE(perhaps it makes the difference between the current leaders platforms) Nowadays is the most attractive feature for developing an application. · IDE (BrainStorm) - quick and effective Intelli-Sense with quick documentation that doesn't leave the screen. - Debugger fully integrated with the IDE, better debugger tools,for example in VS you can see values of basics types and explore the state of an object putting the mouse over the reference in the code.(that's incredibly useful) - Be able to develop asp.net with automatic cooperation with either XSP or ModMono, and a second step would be develop them with visual tools. - WebService use and deployment facilities. - Tools or plugins for integration of Nunit, Ajax, ifolder, monoUML...and Samples how to develop theese plugins. if mono now supports winforms why dont try use sharpdevelop on linux (i know that monodevelop is the linux the port of sharpdevelop but they are not the same) Why do the things twice. · Documentation(BrainStorm) Concentrate the effort in better documentation about those things exclusive in mono such as: - Runtime source code - Mono APIS - Embedding mono,mkbundle adventages - Samples developing plugins for the IDE This is my humble point of view. Bye. ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] Re: What would you like to see in Mono?
Hi, I would like to see a Mono binary distribution bundle like a Runtime Environment (like JRE) and a Developer Kit (like JDK). Saludos Victor Romero Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Business Web Page: http://www.dsnibble.com.mx Personal Web Page: http://linux.ipn.mx/cms/space/VictorRomero Blog Web Page: http://elcarteldetux.blogspot.com - Original Message - From: Andrés G. Aragoneses [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 4:23 AM Subject: [Mono-dev] Re: What would you like to see in Mono? Miguel de Icaza escribió: Hey, What would be the top feature you would like to see in Mono? Think of a feature that is not something we are currently working on (we know about those), for example avoid saying: a class-is-missing feature or IDE or the debugger. We know about those. Miguel. This doesn't fit to Mono strictly, but I would like to see Paint.NET running on Linux :D Regards, Andrés [ knocte ] -- ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
[Mono-dev] Re: What would you like to see in Mono?
Miguel de Icaza escribió: Hey, What would be the top feature you would like to see in Mono? Think of a feature that is not something we are currently working on (we know about those), for example avoid saying: a class-is-missing feature or IDE or the debugger. We know about those. Miguel. This doesn't fit to Mono strictly, but I would like to see Paint.NET running on Linux :D Regards, Andrés [ knocte ] -- ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] Re: What would you like to see in Mono? [.wapi-less config]
On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 16:50 +0200, Joachim Ante wrote: So will such a configure variable be added? Or will MONO_DISABLE_SHM be reintroduced? Yes - Dick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] Re: What would you like to see in Mono? [.wapi-less config]
Hi, So will such a configure variable be added? Or will MONO_DISABLE_SHM be reintroduced? I've had several people complaining about that our web player creates folders in the home directory. Joachim Ante ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
RE: [Mono-dev] Re: What would you like to see in Mono?
One problem with this: none of it is standardized. Red Hat will differ from SuSE will differ from Debian will differ from... Sure - but surely you define an interface, and the environment can define a localised implementation for your flavour of UNIX. Hopefully this would not be Linux specific, but would be achievable on Solaris and *BSD too. (And who cares about AIX, eh? ;-)) I don't think Mono should have to ship with all possible implementations - a couple and a null implementation that throws NotImplemented or similar should be enough. ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
[Mono-dev] Re: What would you like to see in Mono?
Maxime de Lavenne wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Mansion Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 12:28 AM To: Jonathan Pryor Cc: Dave Cramer; mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com Subject: RE: [Mono-dev] Re: What would you like to see in Mono? One problem with this: none of it is standardized. Red Hat will differ from SuSE will differ from Debian will differ from... Sure - but surely you define an interface, and the environment can define a localised implementation for your flavour of UNIX. Hopefully this would not be Linux specific, but would be achievable on Solaris and *BSD too. (And who cares about AIX, eh? ;-)) I don't think Mono should have to ship with all possible implementations - a couple and a null implementation that throws NotImplemented or similar should be enough. I don't understand that approach. Java's JVM works out of the box on all systems (or please slam me if I am wrong :) Why can't mono ? You're out of context. The original question of this subthread was: I want to see a system wide api in Mono (sonthing like System.linux or linux.system). By using this u can handle any kind of stuff on linux. Everything (i.e. services, cronjobs, even kernel resources etc ) on linux can be handled directly without calling any other api (or system call). Robert ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
[Mono-dev] Re: What would you like to see in Mono? [.wapi-less config]
Joachim Ante wrote: Hello, What i'd like to see in mono is the ability to start up an application without it needing a .WAPI folder. I understand why mono needs the wapi folder, but i'm sure there are application for which one wouldn't need one at all. Yeah that would really useful. For that, try using MONO_DISABLE_SHM=1 on your environment As far as i can see this environment variable doesn't exist anymore. Is there another way to disable wapi? No, there isn't. Indeed, it would be nice to have a .wapi-less config or at least to make the current implementation setuid(2) safe. This means that all shm ops have to be configurable, unless there is a way to make them working with setuid, which doesn't work in all Linux kernel versions, AFAIK. Robert ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] Re: What would you like to see in Mono?
On 3/30/06, Jonathan Pryor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2006-03-30 at 12:58 +0530, Sharique uddin Ahmed Farooqui wrote: I want to see a system wide api in Mono (sonthing like System.linux or linux.system). By using this u can handle any kind of stuff on linux. Rudimentary support for this exists in Mono.Unix and Mono.Unix.Native, in Mono.Posix.dll. Everything (i.e. services, cronjobs, even kernel resources etc ) on linux can be handled directly without calling any other api (or system call). One problem with this: none of it is standardized. Red Hat will differ from SuSE will differ from Debian will differ from... We can implament an abstacrt interface as done in syste.data. rest leave for the vendor to implament it. (as every databse vendor implements IDbconnection and so on.) At least for startup scripts, and lots of other things. I for one don't wish to keep up with all of the potential variations. - Jon -- Sharique uddin Ahmed Farooqui (C++/C# Developer. IT Consultant, Open Source Expert) http://www.managefolio.com/sharique DOAccess : Object data access library for MySql. Zero codeing, early binding for MySql ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] Re: What would you like to see in Mono?
System.Windows.Automation!!! This way we could implement multi platform GUI based automated testing system!!! Imagine standard open tests for our applications running in multiple platforms!!! Would be great! ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] Re: What would you like to see in Mono?
Jonathan Pryor wrote: On Thu, 2006-03-30 at 12:58 +0530, Sharique uddin Ahmed Farooqui wrote: I want to see a system wide api in Mono (sonthing like System.linux or linux.system). By using this u can handle any kind of stuff on linux. Rudimentary support for this exists in Mono.Unix and Mono.Unix.Native, in Mono.Posix.dll. Everything (i.e. services, cronjobs, even kernel resources etc ) on linux can be handled directly without calling any other api (or system call). One problem with this: none of it is standardized. Red Hat will differ from SuSE will differ from Debian will differ from... Mono could have a Linux Standards Base compatible API. The 3.1 LSB spec defines some directories (ie for cronjobs) and it looks like future specs will use some lsb-specific command utility to provide compatibility. I honestly don't know much about the LSB, but anyone can read the current spec here: http://refspecs.freestandards.org/LSB_3.1.0/LSB-Core-generic/LSB-Core-generic/book1.html Michael Schurter ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
