Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-list] Open source .NET and Mono.
Xamarin Studio for Linux is comming soon!!! Remeber MonoDevelop? MonoDevelop is not dead it is the core of XS, so it is there. If you mean on Xamarin.Android support that is another story. Xamarin.iOS will be NO-GO because of Apple's requirement to have mac for iOS, Mac development. Exactly. Xamarin Studio and MonoDevelop share the same engine. Xamarin Studio just adds a couple of add-ins (Android, iOS, Mac and Branding) Miguel ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-list] Open source .NET and Mono.
Hello Martin, Xamarin Studio on Windows does not support iOS projects currently. On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 3:57 PM, Martin Thwaites monofo...@my2cents.co.uk wrote: Miljkenko, I'm not sure you understand how Xamarin studio works. It works on Windows, even for iPhone development, you just need to push to a Mac build server if you want to run it/build it. Therefore Xamarin Studio (with iOS) would probably be possible on linux in the same way it is on Windows. That said, Xamarin has publicly said that there aren't plans for it at the moment (can't remember where, probably on this list, or their forum). Martin On 12 November 2014 20:43, Miljenko Cvjetko mcvje...@holisticware.net wrote: On 20141112 21:40 , Daniel Espinosa wrote: Xamarin Studio for Linux is comming soon!!! Remeber MonoDevelop? MonoDevelop is not dead it is the core of XS, so it is there. If you mean on Xamarin.Android support that is another story. Xamarin.iOS will be NO-GO because of Apple's requirement to have mac for iOS, Mac development. regards Mel El mié, 12 de nov 2014 a las 2:38 , Martin Thwaites monofo...@my2cents.co.uk monofo...@my2cents.co.uk escribió: Next stop... Visual Studio on Linux :D On 12 November 2014 19:45, Edward Ned Harvey (mono) edward.harvey.m...@clevertrove.com wrote: From: mono-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com [mailto:mono-list- boun...@lists.ximian.com] On Behalf Of Miguel de Icaza Hey guys, I posted details about the open sourcing of .NET and Mono on my blog. We have already started the work to integrate the .NET Framework code, and once I get back to Boston after the event we will check in the results. That is the reason we did not want to take the large #ifdef patch removal a couple of weeks ago. http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2014/Nov-12.html WAA - HOO!!! :-D Awesome, awesome. Thank you. :-D ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list ___ Mono-devel-list mailing listMono-devel-list@lists.ximian.comhttp://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-list] Open source .NET and Mono.
We are not likely going to move to Gtk# 3 any time soon. We have evolved the plan over the years, but this is the current plan: - We are going to be refactoring Xamarin Studio along engine vs UI components, to allow us to build native UIs for each component (WPF on Windows, Cocoa on Mac, Gtk# on Linux). - We typically start with a Gtk# UI, because that one already works everywhere, so we start with this, and we then provide the per-platform UIs. Replacing Gtk# 2 with 3 is not really a goal. They change the API, and are about to change it again with 4. When we move everything over to this split UI system, we will take a look at whether it is worth upgrading to newer versions of Gtk, but for now, version 2 has lots of custom improvements for Mac and Windows that have not yet been added to 3. On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 6:26 AM, Vasileios Anagnostopoulos fithis2...@gmail.com wrote: It would be even better news if mono finally compiled cleanly under mingw-w64 with gtk#3. ___ Mono-list maillist - mono-l...@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-list] Open source .NET and Mono.
On 13/11/2014 15:51, Miguel de Icaza wrote: We are not likely going to move to Gtk# 3 any time soon. We have evolved the plan over the years, but this is the current plan: * We are going to be refactoring Xamarin Studio along engine vs UI components, to allow us to build native UIs for each component (WPF on Windows, Cocoa on Mac, Gtk# on Linux). * We typically start with a Gtk# UI, because that one already works everywhere, so we start with this, and we then provide the per-platform UIs. Replacing Gtk# 2 with 3 is not really a goal. They change the API, and are about to change it again with 4. When we move everything over to this split UI system, we will take a look at whether it is worth upgrading to newer versions of Gtk, but for now, version 2 has lots of custom improvements for Mac and Windows that have not yet been added to 3. But if you move everything to the split UI system the custom Gtk 2 improvements for Mac and Windows will not be needed anymore and probably replacing them with Gtk 3 equivalents will make a nice improvement on the front of OS integration for Xamarin Studio on Linux. Yes, this is another half-hidden attempt at having CS on Linux. :) federico -- Federico Di Gregorio federico.digrego...@dndg.it Di Nunzio Di Gregorio srl http://dndg.it Io non sono romantica. La candelina sul tavolo mi vede e si spegne. -- sisterconfusion ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-list] Open source .NET and Mono.
But if you move everything to the split UI system the custom Gtk 2 improvements for Mac and Windows will not be needed anymore and probably replacing them with Gtk 3 equivalents will make a nice improvement on the front of OS integration for Xamarin Studio on Linux. Correct, eventually this wont be necessary, and doing a port to Gtk# 3/4 will be easier. Yes, this is another half-hidden attempt at having CS on Linux. :) I do not understand what CS on Linux means. MonoDevelop *already* works on Linux, and internally we use it and continue to develop it on Linux. Even the Android support is developed on Linux. We just have not figured out how to ship on Linux, and not being accused of not supporting your favorite distribution. Miguel ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-list] Open source .NET and Mono.
On 13/11/2014 17:26, Miguel de Icaza wrote: But if you move everything to the split UI system the custom Gtk 2 improvements for Mac and Windows will not be needed anymore and probably replacing them with Gtk 3 equivalents will make a nice improvement on the front of OS integration for Xamarin Studio on Linux. Correct, eventually this wont be necessary, and doing a port to Gtk# 3/4 will be easier. Yes, this is another half-hidden attempt at having CS on Linux. :) I do not understand what CS on Linux means. It should have been XS - Xamarin Studio. MonoDevelop *already* works on Linux, and internally we use it and continue to develop it on Linux. No need to repeat that. It was a joke about myself pinging you and anyone else I know at Xamarin every 6 months or so about getting XS and Android support on Linkux. Even the Android support is developed on Linux. We just have not figured out how to ship on Linux, and not being accused of not supporting your favorite distribution. I still have hope. :) federico -- Federico Di Gregorio federico.digrego...@dndg.it Di Nunzio Di Gregorio srl http://dndg.it La macchina virtuale elabora quindi dati adempiendo le sue funzioni specifiche senza esistere nella realtà degli oggetti. -- uno studente ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-list] Open source .NET and Mono.
From: mono-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com [mailto:mono-list- boun...@lists.ximian.com] On Behalf Of Miguel de Icaza Hey guys, I posted details about the open sourcing of .NET and Mono on my blog. We have already started the work to integrate the .NET Framework code, and once I get back to Boston after the event we will check in the results. That is the reason we did not want to take the large #ifdef patch removal a couple of weeks ago. http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2014/Nov-12.html WAA - HOO!!! :-D Awesome, awesome. Thank you. :-D ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-list] Open source .NET and Mono.
Xamarin Studio for Linux is comming soon!!! El mié, 12 de nov 2014 a las 2:38 , Martin Thwaites monofo...@my2cents.co.uk escribió: Next stop... Visual Studio on Linux :D On 12 November 2014 19:45, Edward Ned Harvey (mono) edward.harvey.m...@clevertrove.com wrote: From: mono-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com [mailto:mono-list- boun...@lists.ximian.com] On Behalf Of Miguel de Icaza Hey guys, I posted details about the open sourcing of .NET and Mono on my blog. We have already started the work to integrate the .NET Framework code, and once I get back to Boston after the event we will check in the results. That is the reason we did not want to take the large #ifdef patch removal a couple of weeks ago. http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2014/Nov-12.html WAA - HOO!!! :-D Awesome, awesome. Thank you. :-D ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-list] Open source .NET and Mono.
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 1:40 PM, Daniel Espinosa eso...@gmail.com wrote: Xamarin Studio for Linux is comming soon!!! Technically Xamarin Studio is already on Linux under monodevelop :) Cheers, Stephen ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-list] Open source .NET and Mono.
I want Visual Studio, full, with all bells and whistles. As good as Xamarin Studio/MonoDevelop is, I'd much prefer full VS. I imagine that is likely to not be a reality for a long time. Having said that, I said the same about opensourcing the .NET framework, and just look how wrong I was on that front! On 12 November 2014 20:40, Daniel Espinosa eso...@gmail.com wrote: Xamarin Studio for Linux is comming soon!!! El mié, 12 de nov 2014 a las 2:38 , Martin Thwaites monofo...@my2cents.co.uk escribió: Next stop... Visual Studio on Linux :D On 12 November 2014 19:45, Edward Ned Harvey (mono) edward.harvey.m...@clevertrove.com wrote: From: mono-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com [mailto:mono-list- boun...@lists.ximian.com] On Behalf Of Miguel de Icaza Hey guys, I posted details about the open sourcing of .NET and Mono on my blog. We have already started the work to integrate the .NET Framework code, and once I get back to Boston after the event we will check in the results. That is the reason we did not want to take the large #ifdef patch removal a couple of weeks ago. http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2014/Nov-12.html WAA - HOO!!! :-D Awesome, awesome. Thank you. :-D ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-list] Open source .NET and Mono.
Hi On 20141112 21:43 , Martin Thwaites wrote: I want Visual Studio, full, with all bells and whistles. As good as Xamarin Studio/MonoDevelop is, I'd much prefer full VS. Hardly imaginable. .net in the beginning was one big COM object - even had a name what com+ v.2? Similar with VS - still great parts are written in c/c++, so this is hardly to believe it will be ported to non Windows anytime soon... Microsoft needs to fix some important issues in VS on windows first like supporting more than 256 chars paths - for modern OS this is tragic, I imagine that is likely to not be a reality for a long time. Having said that, I said the same about opensourcing the .NET framework, and just look how wrong I was on that front! yup, huge change. OK we had an alternative - mono. cheers mel On 12 November 2014 20:40, Daniel Espinosa eso...@gmail.com mailto:eso...@gmail.com wrote: Xamarin Studio for Linux is comming soon!!! El mié, 12 de nov 2014 a las 2:38 , Martin Thwaites monofo...@my2cents.co.uk mailto:monofo...@my2cents.co.uk escribió: Next stop... Visual Studio on Linux :D On 12 November 2014 19:45, Edward Ned Harvey (mono) edward.harvey.m...@clevertrove.com mailto:edward.harvey.m...@clevertrove.com wrote: From: mono-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com mailto:mono-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com [mailto:mono-list- mailto:mono-list- boun...@lists.ximian.com mailto:boun...@lists.ximian.com] On Behalf Of Miguel de Icaza Hey guys, I posted details about the open sourcing of .NET and Mono on my blog. We have already started the work to integrate the .NET Framework code, and once I get back to Boston after the event we will check in the results. That is the reason we did not want to take the large #ifdef patch removal a couple of weeks ago. http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2014/Nov-12.html WAA - HOO!!! :-D Awesome, awesome. Thank you. :-D ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com mailto:Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-list] Open source .NET and Mono.
On 20141112 21:40 , Daniel Espinosa wrote: Xamarin Studio for Linux is comming soon!!! Remeber MonoDevelop? MonoDevelop is not dead it is the core of XS, so it is there. If you mean on Xamarin.Android support that is another story. Xamarin.iOS will be NO-GO because of Apple's requirement to have mac for iOS, Mac development. regards Mel El mié, 12 de nov 2014 a las 2:38 , Martin Thwaites monofo...@my2cents.co.uk escribió: Next stop... Visual Studio on Linux :D On 12 November 2014 19:45, Edward Ned Harvey (mono) edward.harvey.m...@clevertrove.com mailto:edward.harvey.m...@clevertrove.com wrote: From: mono-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com mailto:mono-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com [mailto:mono-list- mailto:mono-list- boun...@lists.ximian.com mailto:boun...@lists.ximian.com] On Behalf Of Miguel de Icaza Hey guys, I posted details about the open sourcing of .NET and Mono on my blog. We have already started the work to integrate the .NET Framework code, and once I get back to Boston after the event we will check in the results. That is the reason we did not want to take the large #ifdef patch removal a couple of weeks ago. http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2014/Nov-12.html WAA - HOO!!! :-D Awesome, awesome. Thank you. :-D ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com mailto:Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-list] Open source .NET and Mono.
Miljkenko, I'm not sure you understand how Xamarin studio works. It works on Windows, even for iPhone development, you just need to push to a Mac build server if you want to run it/build it. Therefore Xamarin Studio (with iOS) would probably be possible on linux in the same way it is on Windows. That said, Xamarin has publicly said that there aren't plans for it at the moment (can't remember where, probably on this list, or their forum). Martin On 12 November 2014 20:43, Miljenko Cvjetko mcvje...@holisticware.net wrote: On 20141112 21:40 , Daniel Espinosa wrote: Xamarin Studio for Linux is comming soon!!! Remeber MonoDevelop? MonoDevelop is not dead it is the core of XS, so it is there. If you mean on Xamarin.Android support that is another story. Xamarin.iOS will be NO-GO because of Apple's requirement to have mac for iOS, Mac development. regards Mel El mié, 12 de nov 2014 a las 2:38 , Martin Thwaites monofo...@my2cents.co.uk monofo...@my2cents.co.uk escribió: Next stop... Visual Studio on Linux :D On 12 November 2014 19:45, Edward Ned Harvey (mono) edward.harvey.m...@clevertrove.com wrote: From: mono-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com [mailto:mono-list- boun...@lists.ximian.com] On Behalf Of Miguel de Icaza Hey guys, I posted details about the open sourcing of .NET and Mono on my blog. We have already started the work to integrate the .NET Framework code, and once I get back to Boston after the event we will check in the results. That is the reason we did not want to take the large #ifdef patch removal a couple of weeks ago. http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2014/Nov-12.html WAA - HOO!!! :-D Awesome, awesome. Thank you. :-D ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list ___ Mono-devel-list mailing listMono-devel-list@lists.ximian.comhttp://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] [Mono-list] Open source .NET and Mono.
Hi Martin On 20141112 21:57 , Martin Thwaites wrote: Miljkenko, Mel - to make it easier. I'm not sure you understand how Xamarin studio works. I think I know, but OK. It works on Windows, True. even for iPhone development, You have mixed it with Visual Studio plugin for iOS development. Xamarin Studio on Windows lets you develop only Android. you just need to push to a Mac build server if you want to run it/build it. Therefore Xamarin Studio (with iOS) would probably be possible on linux in the same way it is on Windows. This is VS plugin and this was done to please VS centric developers (like I used to be). True it would be possible, but there are priorities... That said, Xamarin has publicly said that there aren't plans for it at the moment (can't remember where, probably on this list, or their forum). iOS on linux is far more distant goal than Android on linux. True both could be done, but when and if is another story. best regads Mel Martin On 12 November 2014 20:43, Miljenko Cvjetko mcvje...@holisticware.net mailto:mcvje...@holisticware.net wrote: On 20141112 21:40 , Daniel Espinosa wrote: Xamarin Studio for Linux is comming soon!!! Remeber MonoDevelop? MonoDevelop is not dead it is the core of XS, so it is there. If you mean on Xamarin.Android support that is another story. Xamarin.iOS will be NO-GO because of Apple's requirement to have mac for iOS, Mac development. regards Mel El mié, 12 de nov 2014 a las 2:38 , Martin Thwaites monofo...@my2cents.co.uk mailto:monofo...@my2cents.co.uk escribió: Next stop... Visual Studio on Linux :D On 12 November 2014 19:45, Edward Ned Harvey (mono) edward.harvey.m...@clevertrove.com mailto:edward.harvey.m...@clevertrove.com wrote: From: mono-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com mailto:mono-list-boun...@lists.ximian.com [mailto:mono-list- mailto:mono-list- boun...@lists.ximian.com mailto:boun...@lists.ximian.com] On Behalf Of Miguel de Icaza Hey guys, I posted details about the open sourcing of .NET and Mono on my blog. We have already started the work to integrate the .NET Framework code, and once I get back to Boston after the event we will check in the results. That is the reason we did not want to take the large #ifdef patch removal a couple of weeks ago. http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2014/Nov-12.html WAA - HOO!!! :-D Awesome, awesome. Thank you. :-D ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com mailto:Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com mailto:Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com mailto:Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
