Re: [Mono-list] Novell, SuSE, Mono.

2003-11-07 Thread Rainer Queck
Hello Giuseppe,

> Yes, I agree, but we will look at SuSE Linux if and only if they
> will switch from KDE to GNOME... and if I've well understood, they will.
I do not really understand your concerns. KDE or GNOME is just a select out
of a combobox on X-Login
with SuSE.

Rainer

- Original Message -
From: "Giuseppe Greco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Pavlica, Nick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Miguel de Icaza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Mono" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Mono-list] Novell, SuSE, Mono.


> On Thu, 2003-11-06 at 19:55, Pavlica, Nick wrote:
> > That is wonderful news!  I look forward to seeing what the results are.
> > It may give me a reason to look at something other than RH/Fedora :)
>
> Yes, I agree, but we will look at SuSE Linux if and only if they
> will switch from KDE to GNOME... and if I've well understood, they will.
>
> Far away, what's the new SuSE strategy? Will they focus more on GNOME
> and include KDE just as an alternative (like RH)?
>
> What does "Novell/SuSE will continue to distribute KDE and Gnome." mean?
> Which of the two platforms will be the standard/default one?
>
> Gius_.
>
> >
> > Thanks again to everyone contributing to the Open Source community!!
> >
> > Nick Pavlica
> >
> > On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 21:36, Miguel de Icaza wrote:
> > > Hey guys,
> > >
> > > I know that there has been a lot of speculation over Novell, SuSE,
> > > Gnome, KDE and Mono with today's announcement.
> > >
> > > We can say that once the acquisition is completed that:
> > >
> > > * Novell/SuSE will continue to distribute KDE and Gnome.
> > >
> > > * Novell/SuSE will include Ximian Desktop build,
> > >   as it is a more fine tuned desktop than the default Gnome
> > >   build they ship.
> > >
> > > * Novell is commited to build an stable ISV platform (you can
> > >   read my blog for some thoughts on this).
> > >
> > > * Gtk+, the Gnome platform and Mono use the right licensing
> > >   terms for creating an ISV platform.
> > >
> > > * We will continue to work on open source projects, and work
> > >   in the best way to offer a complete Linux stack.
> > >
> > > And lastly, just remember that Nat and myself are in charge of
> > > Novell's Linux Desktop Strategy, so we will do the right thing ;-)
> > >
> > > Love,
> > > Miguel.
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[Mono-list] ASP.NET / usings (C#) and Imports (VB)

2003-11-07 Thread Jochen Wezel
Title: ASP.NET / usings (C#) and Imports (VB)






Hi!


I recommend some changes in System.CodeDom.Compiler.CodeGenerator.cs, but this might change generated ASP.NET code in a critical kind.

That's why I haven't had the heart to do these modifications myself without any reviewing of other peoples involved in creating this script

These changes would influence the behaviour of VB as well as C# - in the baddest case, you won't be able to launch ASP.NET pages even if they're written in C#

I don't know where to place the additional needed "using ASP"/"Imports ASP" command correctly (this would be a need after the modifications)

Please find code and further comments below.


Can anybody help reviewing and coding?


-Jochen






Order of Namespace declaration and Imports/usings seems to be changeable as follows (also see my comments):

//

// System.CodeDom.Compiler.CodeGenerator.cs

//

// Authors:

//   Miguel de Icaza ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

//   Daniel Stodden ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

//   Gonzalo Paniagua Javier ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

//   Andreas Nahr ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

//

// (C) 2001-2003 Ximian, Inc.

//

...

        protected virtual void GenerateNamespace (CodeNamespace ns)

        {

            foreach (CodeCommentStatement statement in ns.Comments)

                GenerateCommentStatement (statement);


            // 

            foreach (CodeNamespaceImport import in ns.Imports)

                GenerateNamespaceImport (import);


            output.WriteLine();

            // 


            GenerateNamespaceStart (ns);


            //  

            // !!! I think we have to pay attention to the required Imports ASP/using ASP for ASP.NET !!!


            foreach (CodeTypeDeclaration type in ns.Types) {

                GenerateType (type);

                output.WriteLine();

            }



Unclear for me is the right placing location for "Option Strict Off" and "Option Explicit On"

The same with "Imports Microsoft.VisualBasic" and "Imports ASP"



 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-

Von:    Jochen Wezel  

Gesendet:   Mittwoch, 5. November 2003 15:26

An: 'Gonzalo Paniagua Javier'

Betreff:    WG: ASP.NET's VB support


There are some differences regarding the standard includes and also the standard options in ASP.NET of Mono and MS  (here shown as VB code):

This is Mono:

=

Line 11: Namespace ASP

Line 12: Imports System

Line 13: Imports System.Collections

Line 14: Imports System.Collections.Specialized

Line 15: Imports System.Configuration

Line 16: Imports System.Text

Line 17: Imports System.Text.RegularExpressions

Line 18: Imports System.Web

Line 19: Imports System.Web.Caching

Line 20: Imports System.Web.Security

Line 21: Imports System.Web.SessionState

Line 22: Imports System.Web.UI

Line 23: Imports System.Web.UI.WebControls              'MS: HtmlControls first, the next line WebControls (TODO priority: low)

Line 24: Imports System.Web.UI.HtmlControls


This is MS:

===

Zeile 11:   Option Strict Off                           'missing in Mono's ASP.NET (TODO priority: high)

Zeile 12:   Option Explicit On                      'missing in Mono's ASP.NET (TODO priority: high)

Zeile 13:                                       'missing in Mono's ASP.NET (TODO priority: high)

Zeile 14:   Imports ASP                             'missing in Mono's ASP.NET (TODO priority: high)

Zeile 15:   Imports Microsoft.VisualBasic                   'missing in Mono's ASP.NET (TODO priority: high)

Zeile 16:   Imports System

Zeile 17:   Imports System.Collections

Zeile 18:   Imports System.Collections.Specialized

Zeile 19:   Imports System.Configuration

Zeile 20:   Imports System.Text

Zeile 21:   Imports System.Text.RegularExpressions

Zeile 22:   Imports System.Web

Zeile 23:   Imports System.Web.Caching

Zeile 24:   Imports System.Web.Security

Zeile 25:   Imports System.Web.SessionState

Zeile 26:   Imports System.Web.UI

Zeile 27:   Imports System.Web.UI.HtmlControls

Zeile 28:   Imports System.Web.UI.WebControls

Zeile 29:   

Zeile 30:   Namespace ASP

Zeile 31:   





Re: [Mono-list] Something about mod_mono yet

2003-11-07 Thread Mariusz Bożewicz
On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 18:03:58 +0100
Gonzalo Paniagua Javier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 
> > Why MonoApplication command is wrong? I've seen in archive message
> > from 1 October 2003 and someone used it.
> 
> You should take a look at the README file. MonoApplication is no
> longer used.
> 

Maybe this is not important thing, but I would like to know which
README file I should read. If you mind README file from mod_mono from
CVS (5 Nov 2003) there is adnotation about reading INSTALL file.
INSTALL file says about using MonoApplication option. So where is
current description of installation proces?


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Re: [Mono-list] Something about mod_mono yet

2003-11-07 Thread yoros
On Fri, Nov 07, 2003 at 09:13:02AM +0100, Mariusz Bo?ewicz wrote:
> On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 18:03:58 +0100
> Gonzalo Paniagua Javier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
> > > Why MonoApplication command is wrong? I've seen in archive message
> > > from 1 October 2003 and someone used it.
> > 
> > You should take a look at the README file. MonoApplication is no
> > longer used.
> > 
> 
> Maybe this is not important thing, but I would like to know which
> README file I should read. If you mind README file from mod_mono from
> CVS (5 Nov 2003) there is adnotation about reading INSTALL file.
> INSTALL file says about using MonoApplication option. So where is
> current description of installation proces?
> 

There are two INSTALL files, INSTALL and INSTALL-old. In the first one
you've got nothing related MonoApplication directive.

Hope this helps,

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Re: [Mono-list] Something about mod_mono yet

2003-11-07 Thread Gonzalo Paniagua Javier
El vie, 07-11-2003 a las 09:13, Mariusz Bożewicz escribió:
> On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 18:03:58 +0100
> Gonzalo Paniagua Javier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
> > > Why MonoApplication command is wrong? I've seen in archive message
> > > from 1 October 2003 and someone used it.
> > 
> > You should take a look at the README file. MonoApplication is no
> > longer used.
> > 
> 
> Maybe this is not important thing, but I would like to know which
> README file I should read. If you mind README file from mod_mono from
> CVS (5 Nov 2003) there is adnotation about reading INSTALL file.
> INSTALL file says about using MonoApplication option. So where is
> current description of installation proces?
> 

Mmm. There's no "MonoApplication" in mod_mono/INSTALL

-Gonzalo


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RE: [Mono-list] xsp/mod_mono setup

2003-11-07 Thread Kenneth Benson
Title: RE: [Mono-list] xsp/mod_mono setup



OK, as a follow on to my problem...I did a cvs update, 
then a make clean; autogen.sh
make; make install with my prefix. It still 
does the same thing from Mozilla on the
development box and when I tested from a Windows box 
with IE 6 the language/import
statement is gone, the mono logo is there, no other 
code shows, but no examples are
displayed and the date time generated is not showing. 
I've attached a file with the
page source as seen by IE 6 in it. If you want a screen 
print let me know.

  -Original Message-From: Kenneth Benson 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 
  6:03 PMTo: 'Gonzalo Paniagua Javier'; 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [Mono-list] xsp/mod_mono 
  setup
  I think it's about 6-7 days old. I'll get a fresh CVS tomorrow 
  and give it a try. 
  -Original Message- From: 
  Gonzalo Paniagua Javier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 
  [Mono-list] xsp/mod_mono setup 
  El mié, 05-11-2003 a las 20:02, Kenneth Benson 
  escribió: > Below is the output of setting up xsp 
  and mod_mono per the install > file 
  > in mod_mono. > 
  > === 
  > <%@ language="C#" %> <%@ Import 
  namespace="System.IO" %> > Welcome to Mono 
  XSP! > http://www.go-mono.com > 
  > Here are some ASP.NET examples: > 
  [snip] 
  > FileList.Text = sb.ToString (); > %> >  >  >  >  
  > Generated: <%= DateTime.Now 
  %> >  
  >  
  > > Can anyone help me figure 
  out what is going wrong? > Thanks in 
  advance! 
  Are you using current CVS? 
  -Gonzalo 
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<%@ language="C#" %>
<%@ Import namespace="System.IO" %>


Welcome to Mono XSP!


Welcome to Mono XSP!
http://www.go-mono.com";>http://www.go-mono.com";>
Here are some ASP.NET examples:
<%
DirectoryInfo dir = new DirectoryInfo (Path.GetDirectoryName (Request.PhysicalPath));
FileInfo[] files = dir.GetFiles ();
StringBuilder sb = new StringBuilder ();
Hashtable styles = new Hashtable ();
styles [".aspx"] = "background: #ff";
styles [".ashx"] = "background: #00";
styles [".asmx"] = "background: #00";
for (int i=0; i < files.Length; i++) {
string fileName = Path.GetFileName(files[i].FullName);
string extension = Path.GetExtension (files[i].FullName);
if (styles.Contains (extension)) {
sb.AppendFormat ("{0}\n", 
fileName, styles [extension]);
}
}
FileList.Text = sb.ToString ();
%>




Generated: <%= DateTime.Now %>




Re: [Mono-list] Novell, SuSE, Mono.

2003-11-07 Thread Olaf Jan Schmidt
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Hi Miguel, hi Mono and KDE folks!

[Miguel de Icaza]
> Hey guys,
>
>I know that there has been a lot of speculation over Novell, SuSE,
> Gnome, KDE and Mono with today's announcement.
>
>We can say that once the acquisition is completed that:
>
>* Novell/SuSE will continue to distribute KDE and Gnome.
>
>* Novell/SuSE will include Ximian Desktop build,
>  as it is a more fine tuned desktop than the default Gnome
>  build they ship.
>
>* Novell is commited to build an stable ISV platform (you can
>  read my blog for some thoughts on this).
>
>* Gtk+, the Gnome platform and Mono use the right licensing
>  terms for creating an ISV platform.
>
>* We will continue to work on open source projects, and work
>  in the best way to offer a complete Linux stack.
>
>And lastly, just remember that Nat and myself are in charge of
> Novell's Linux Desktop Strategy, so we will do the right thing ;-)

Does the "right thing" include better cooperation between KDE and 
Mono/GNOME, meaning contributions to ALL these projects with at least the 
same efford as in the past?

Or will SuSE's currently big support for KDE be phased out after carefully 
examining how quickly it can be dropped without alienating the developer 
community?

Or does it also depend on what the SuSE people think is best for their 
customers?

I am a bit worried by the fact that you only spoke of "distributing" KDE, 
not of actively supporting it. Not saying something sometimes says the 
most.

KDE and GNOME are both so important for the Linux desktop that dropping 
contributions to one of them would be very sad.

I see great possibilities in the cooperation between Ximian and SuSE for 
free desktop interoperation - which is urgently needed for accessibility, 
the area of KDE I am involved in.

I hope my hopes are not too optimistic.

>
> Love,
> Miguel.

Love and peace,
Olaf

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[Mono-list] cvs service restored

2003-11-07 Thread Michael Wolf
Yo,

mono-cvs.ximian.com has been moved to a new server.  I expect it will be
much more reliable than the old mono-cvs server.  This should make you
glad because you can keep hacking without interruption, and makes me
glad because Miguel can stop calling me at home asking me to fix it. 
(That just leaves mailing lists to fix...)

For those who are interested in such things, the new machine is a Dell
Poweredge 650 (1U) with a 3Ghz P4 processor, 2 gigs of ram, and IDE
RAID1 (done in hardware, not software).  This is bordering on overkill,
I know.  It's running Red Hat 9, but will be Susinated one of these
days.  

If you suspect something's not right, don't hesitate to email me
directly.

mike


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RE: [Mono-list] ASP.NET default language --> VB

2003-11-07 Thread Adam Chester
Perhaps its easier to REQUIRE the @page directive until mbas works.

-adam 

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Javier
Sent: Thursday, 6 November 2003 4:46 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Mono-list] ASP.NET default language --> VB

El jue, 06-11-2003 a las 05:35, Piers Haken escribió:
> > 
> > Our C# compiler is far more stable than our VB.NET compiler. 
> > That's the reason.
> > 
> > -Gonzalo
> 
> But surely this is a compatibility issue, not a stability issue.
> 
> When users switch between mono and .NET, _ALL_ .aspx pages without the 
> @Page directive are going to break (until this default is changed, 
> regardless of the stability of the mbas compiler).

I prefer setting the default to C# until mbas works as those users are gonna
get an error anyway. If they want to aid in debugging mbas they can change
the default in their machine.config and use bugzilla.

-Gonzalo


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RE: [Mono-list] ASP.NET default language --> VB

2003-11-07 Thread Jackson Harper
Its best if this gets filed as a bug. 

Jackson


On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 17:25, Adam Chester wrote:
> Perhaps its easier to REQUIRE the @page directive until mbas works.
> 
> -adam 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gonzalo Paniagua
> Javier
> Sent: Thursday, 6 November 2003 4:46 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [Mono-list] ASP.NET default language --> VB
> 
> El jue, 06-11-2003 a las 05:35, Piers Haken escribiÃ:
> > > 
> > > Our C# compiler is far more stable than our VB.NET compiler. 
> > > That's the reason.
> > > 
> > > -Gonzalo
> > 
> > But surely this is a compatibility issue, not a stability issue.
> > 
> > When users switch between mono and .NET, _ALL_ .aspx pages without the 
> > @Page directive are going to break (until this default is changed, 
> > regardless of the stability of the mbas compiler).
> 
> I prefer setting the default to C# until mbas works as those users are gonna
> get an error anyway. If they want to aid in debugging mbas they can change
> the default in their machine.config and use bugzilla.
> 
> -Gonzalo
> 
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Re: [Mono-list] Powered by Mono.

2003-11-07 Thread Freddy BL
Or you can publish the parts of the images in larger sizes, so we can use 
it.
The important part of the logo you can find in this stylish art in Miguels 
presentation:
http://primates.ximian.com/~miguel/slides-europe-nov-2002/DotNetOneKeynote.sxi

The DotNetOneKeynote-File is a OpenOffice/StarOffice presentation-file.

Like all OpenOffice / StarOffice > 6.0 formats, it is a zip-archive, what 
you can unpack:

$ unzip DotNetOneKeynote.sxi
Archive:  DotNetOneKeynote.sxi
extracting: Pictures/130F01450B0CECB1.gif
extracting: Pictures/1201009600B4DAE5059E.png
extracting: Pictures/12000400030082F9BE98.gif
 inflating: content.xml
 inflating: styles.xml
extracting: meta.xml
 inflating: settings.xml
 inflating: META-INF/manifest.xml
$
And now have a look at
./Pictures/1201009600B4DAE5059E.png
thats the bigger artistic monkey-head of this nice files. :-)
If you only want to have the monkey-head in non stylish form, there is a 
svg-file, so you can have it in _any_ size:
http://jimmac.musichall.cz/stuff/mono-gorilla.svg

And for a logo like this on the mono-main-side look at
http://jimmac.musichall.cz/stuff/mono.png
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[Mono-list] why should I use mono?

2003-11-07 Thread Evert Tigchelaar
Hi,

I read in an artical about mono.
Why should developers should write code for the mono
runtime instede of Java?

Evert

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Re: [Mono-list] why should I use mono?

2003-11-07 Thread Andy Satori
While I can't speak for the Mono team, nor for everyone, I don't see 
this as an either / or proposition.

I'm working with Mono to gain alternative platforms for projects that 
were defined as C# / .NET framework implementations by the business.

FRom a development deployment perspective, writing a WebService in Mono 
/ .NET is significantly easier than doing them in Java.

Remoting is also much easier.

Java is still a great environment, and for some projects, it remains 
the best choice.  There still isn't a usable Mono for the Mac OS X, so 
if you require OS X compatability, Java is your best option.

In short, I don't think there is a unilateral why, there are a lot of 
little contributing reasons that you as a developer need to evaluate to 
the business, or productivity problem that you are trying to solve.  
Unfortunately, we as developers sometimes lose track of the concept of 
the 'best solution to a problem' in our advocacy of what we are 
comfortable with, or of what we want to learn next :-).

Andy

On Nov 7, 2003, at 6:29 AM, Evert Tigchelaar wrote:

Hi,

I read in an artical about mono.
Why should developers should write code for the mono
runtime instede of Java?
Evert

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RE: [Mono-list] why should I use mono?

2003-11-07 Thread Rob . Tillie
Hello,

That's about the same question as "Why should I use Java 1.4 instead of
1.0?" or "Why should I use windows xp instead of Windows 95?"

I don't think there's a particular reason why you "should". It's a matter of
choice. And often, it is a choice your clients want, or your boss wants.

Both platforms are good, and offer benefits and have drawbacks against C++,
which in turn has benefits and drawbacks to ASM.

Sometimes it's a political choice, sometimes a financial choice... 
I use both, and I think .NET is a bit more productive (for me) then Java.

The thing that bothers me the most about Java, is that since I started with
the JDK 1.2.2, there haven't been any improvements. Yes, a couple of new
API's were incorporated, but the platform itself hasn't evolved. When you
compare .NET 1.0 to .NET 1.2/2.0, it's a big improvement.
Only now that Sun is feeling the competition, it starts to evolve the
platform. But sure, you can say the same about Windows, now that they feel
the competition, they are suddenly innovating the platform.
That's the reason why I think at least 2 managed platforms are good for the
industry as a whole.

Just start using Mono, and look at the benefits it offers you. It will do
you no harm.

I hope something is useful to you,

Greetz,
-- Rob.

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> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [Mono-list] why should I use mono?
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I read in an artical about mono.
> Why should developers should write code for the mono
> runtime instede of Java?
> 
> Evert
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RE: [Mono-list] why should I use mono?

2003-11-07 Thread Philippe Lavoie
The same reason you should use language X over language Y.

The language is a tool. Use the best tool for the job. If it's C#, good
for C#. If it's Java, good for Java. 

My personal opinion is that the more language you know, the better you
will be in any language. Knowing perl makes me a better C# programmer as
I have developed some respect for the power of regex which I might not
have done if I came only from a C++ background. 

>From my personal experience, people are lazy. People stick with what
they are familiar with. People are afraid of change. So if you are
comfortable with Java, stick with it. You won't be a worst programmer
because of it, you will be able to program with it. There is nothing
wrong with Java as a tool. 

The question is more of a philosophical question: should I learn new
languages? How can that help me as a programmer?

Please note, that for a company the choice of a language is different.

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Hi,

I read in an artical about mono.
Why should developers should write code for the mono
runtime instede of Java?

Evert

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[Mono-list] Monodoc docs for my Application (?)

2003-11-07 Thread Met @ Uber
So I got monodoc installed and ran updater.exe on my assembly which
generated a few directories full of XML stubs.  How do I go about
getting that documentation into monodoc's browser so that I can modify
the docs with ease?

~ Matthew

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Re: [Mono-list] Console.Write does not lock the console while writting.

2003-11-07 Thread Miguel de Icaza
Hello,

> When I try the same program on mono 0.26+linux it
> seems that the console is not locked in the callme
> function while executing System.Console.WriteLine
> (unlike in windows) and the behaviour is totally
> different in the two worlds.

Have you tried a more recent Mono?  We did fix that issue a long time
ago.

Miguel
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