AW: [Mono-list] OSS alternative to ASP.NET for use with Mono?
Hi Tom! The only alternative to ASP.NET is ASP.NET, one is from Microsoft, the other one from Mono ;-) If you don't like ASP.NET, why don't you use CGI, Pearl, Old ASP, ISAPI, PHP, etc. ? But then you would leave the .NET way... -Jochen -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Tom Gesendet: Samstag, 7. August 2004 03:59 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: [Mono-list] OSS alternative to ASP.NET for use with Mono? Instead of Windows.Forms I can use GTK#, swt#, or wx#. Instead of ASP.NET I should use ?. Thanks, Tom. ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
[Mono-list] Re: AW: OSS alternative to ASP.NET for use with Mono?
Jochen, I'd like to be able to use Mono, but also use an API that is free of MS patents. I don't know much about web programming, as I'm realy a C++ developer, but might the long term alternative to ASP.NET be a server API that builds and exchanges XAML/XUL with the client? I'm just surprised that there is no real alternative to the MS API, given that there are so many alternatives to the MS API for the desktop GUI. Tom. Jochen Wezel wrote: Hi Tom! The only alternative to ASP.NET is ASP.NET, one is from Microsoft, the other one from Mono ;-) If you don't like ASP.NET, why don't you use CGI, Pearl, Old ASP, ISAPI, PHP, etc. ? But then you would leave the .NET way... -Jochen -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Tom Gesendet: Samstag, 7. August 2004 03:59 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: [Mono-list] OSS alternative to ASP.NET for use with Mono? Instead of Windows.Forms I can use GTK#, swt#, or wx#. Instead of ASP.NET I should use ?. Thanks, Tom. ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
AW: [Mono-list] Re: AW: OSS alternative to ASP.NET for use with Mono?
Hi Tom! If you would be in the stone age and would get a great Jeep as a gift from Microsoft, wouldn't you use it to get from A to point B ? ;-) Gruß, Jochen -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Tom Gesendet: Samstag, 7. August 2004 16:50 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: [Mono-list] Re: AW: OSS alternative to ASP.NET for use with Mono? Jochen, I'd like to be able to use Mono, but also use an API that is free of MS patents. I don't know much about web programming, as I'm realy a C++ developer, but might the long term alternative to ASP.NET be a server API that builds and exchanges XAML/XUL with the client? I'm just surprised that there is no real alternative to the MS API, given that there are so many alternatives to the MS API for the desktop GUI. Tom. Jochen Wezel wrote: > Hi Tom! > > The only alternative to ASP.NET is ASP.NET, one is from Microsoft, the > other one from Mono ;-) > > If you don't like ASP.NET, why don't you use CGI, Pearl, Old ASP, ISAPI, PHP, etc. ? > But then you would leave the .NET way... > > -Jochen > > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Tom > Gesendet: Samstag, 7. August 2004 03:59 > An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Betreff: [Mono-list] OSS alternative to ASP.NET for use with Mono? > > > Instead of Windows.Forms I can use GTK#, swt#, or wx#. > > Instead of ASP.NET I should use ?. > > Thanks, > Tom. > > ___ > Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list > > > ___ > Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list > ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
[Mono-list] Re: AW: Re: AW: OSS alternative to ASP.NET for use with Mono?
Yes, but this isn't a 'gift'. This is very proprietary, and has network and lock-in effects that jeeps don't have. Besides, Jeeps are too big, take too much gas for my needs, and many are not very reliable. I'd prefer a simple, reliable, compact vehicle of some sort. Tom. Jochen Wezel wrote: Hi Tom! If you would be in the stone age and would get a great Jeep as a gift from Microsoft, wouldn't you use it to get from A to point B ? ;-) Gruß, Jochen -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Tom Gesendet: Samstag, 7. August 2004 16:50 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: [Mono-list] Re: AW: OSS alternative to ASP.NET for use with Mono? Jochen, I'd like to be able to use Mono, but also use an API that is free of MS patents. I don't know much about web programming, as I'm realy a C++ developer, but might the long term alternative to ASP.NET be a server API that builds and exchanges XAML/XUL with the client? I'm just surprised that there is no real alternative to the MS API, given that there are so many alternatives to the MS API for the desktop GUI. Tom. Jochen Wezel wrote: Hi Tom! The only alternative to ASP.NET is ASP.NET, one is from Microsoft, the other one from Mono ;-) If you don't like ASP.NET, why don't you use CGI, Pearl, Old ASP, ISAPI, PHP, etc. ? But then you would leave the .NET way... -Jochen -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Tom Gesendet: Samstag, 7. August 2004 03:59 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: [Mono-list] OSS alternative to ASP.NET for use with Mono? Instead of Windows.Forms I can use GTK#, swt#, or wx#. Instead of ASP.NET I should use ?. Thanks, Tom. ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
RE: [Mono-list] Re: AW: Re: AW: OSS alternative to ASP.NET for use with Mono?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Yes, but this isn't a 'gift'. > > This is very proprietary, and has network and lock-in effects that > jeeps > don't have. > > Besides, Jeeps are too big, take too much gas for my needs, and many > are > not very reliable. I'd prefer a simple, reliable, compact vehicle of > some sort. Simple, reliable, compact vehicles need good roads. You wouldn't have those in the stone age. -- Arild AnkhSVN: http://ankhsvn.tigris.org Blog: http://ankhsvn.com/blog IRC: irc://irc.freenode.net/ankhsvn "Weaseling out of things is good. It's what separates us from the other animalsexcept weasels." -- Homer Simpson ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
RE: [Mono-list] Re: AW: Re: AW: OSS alternative to ASP.NET for use with Mono?
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom >Sent: 07 August 2004 16:18 >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [Mono-list] Re: AW: Re: AW: OSS alternative to >ASP.NET for use with Mono? >Yes, but this isn't a 'gift'. > >This is very proprietary, and has network and lock-in effects >that jeeps don't have. I'll assume you're referring to the supposed "patent crackdown" that the anti-MS crowd are convinced is coming? If you think that that is any more than just FUD, surely it applies to the whole of Mono and not just ASP.NET? Sure I've heard all the arguments about this ECMA rule about patents, etc., but the news of the last few years should tell you that any technology can get hit with a patent claim any time whether it is a clone of a companies product or is independently developed. Your best way to avoid risk is to buy some of the "very proprietary" software you despise from a large company that can afford to defend patent claims from 3rd parties. Free software can never be truly free while patents can apply to software. So, either buy your software from a big vendor or just ignore the patent issue altogether and get on with your life. >Besides, Jeeps are too big, take too much gas for my needs, and many are >not very reliable. I'd prefer a simple, reliable, compact vehicle of some sort. Great, so use PHP. Seriously, what is so compelling about Mono that makes you want to use it instead of something else like Java for instance, but not want to use ASP.NET? >> I don't know much about web programming, as I'm realy a C++ developer, >> but might the long term alternative to ASP.NET be a server API that >> builds and exchanges XAML/XUL with the client? Yes, maybe one day, in the future, but even Microsoft don't know where they're going down that road yet. ASP.NET is something that works *right now* and that trumps arguments about what technology might be the best way to go one day. If you don't know much about web development maybe you don't know that ASP.NET is very compelling technology that moves the game on a long way past where ASP was and makes things like ASP, Coldfusion and PHP look a bit old-fashioned. Of course people that don't know ASP.NET think that it's just "a bit better" than ASP and since things like JSP and PHP4/5 are a lot better than ASP, that ASP.NET is a waste of time. They are very wrong. It's more usual for web developers to think "I want to use ASP.NET but I'm not sure about having to use Windows Server for my website". Mono has offered a great service by allowing people to run ASP.NET apps on Linux. What you are asking for is something 'less good' than ASP.NET just to make you feel better about some supposed patent issue. >> I'm just surprised that there is no real alternative to the MS API, >> given that there are so many alternatives to the MS API for the >> desktop GUI. There are many alternatives to Windows Forms for the desktop API because emulating Windows Forms on non-Windows platforms is more than a little difficult. And cross-platform GUIs don't necessarily make much sense anyway. Web serving is whole different world where it doesn't matter what programming language you use or which OS or framework because only HTML is generated so there is not really any requirement for anything different from a technological perspective anyway. Wow, I'm really still trying to get my head round someone wanting to use mono to serve web pages but not want to use ASP.NET. I strongly suggest that if this hasn't convinced you to learn and use ASP.NET, you should check out JSP (Java Server Pages). If you have issues with using Java I'd be surprised if they don't also apply to Mono. If Java is to 'heavyweight' for you then use PHP. I think that covers all the main alternatives and if you haven't used ASP.NET you won't know what you're missing anyway :) Regards richard ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Re: AW: OSS alternative to ASP.NET for use with Mono?
Tom wrote: Jochen, I'd like to be able to use Mono, but also use an API that is free of MS patents. I don't know much about web programming, as I'm realy a C++ developer, but might the long term alternative to ASP.NET be a server API that builds and exchanges XAML/XUL with the client? I'm just surprised that there is no real alternative to the MS API, given that there are so many alternatives to the MS API for the desktop GUI. Hi guys, Just my $.02 I agree with the idea of having another implementation besides asp.net. One presentation framework I'd like to see ported to .Net would be the Echo Framework. http://echo.sf.net. It is very nice and allows you to use the same idea of application instance you are used to in desktop instead of using a page centric approach. I think it has this idea more tight than asp.net design. I know it is in Java, but IMHO, it would be a worthwhile port. Regards, Francisco Figueiredo Jr. ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
[Mono-list] Some benchmarks
Hello, hello! I have an aplication with many, many objects in memory that I have to save/load to have persistence. I implemented an abstract framework that enables me to make several persistence implementations. At this point, I have implemented persistence in XML (I write, I read to DOM and parse -- can't use XmlSerializer cause I have some Hastables... :( ), and implemented with the help of the BinaryFormatter. Before saving, I transform all my OO model in some simple classes that contain only the necessary info to save/load. That's why I can apply a BinaryFormatter easily. I first tryed it in Microsoft .NET and found out that saving is much more slower than loading... I wonder why! On the other hand, the same test ou Mono/Linux got me that saving was faster than loading... Now, I would like to understand the results, so I ask these questions: 1) Is writing to a file very much slower than reading from a file in Windows? Does the oposite happens in Linux? 2) Any information on can add on this results? Are they "expected" results? Thanks. Running on Microsoft .NET, I got this: --- XmlPersistenceTester --- Alliances: 2 Rulers: 1011 Planets: 1011 Save time: 00:02:23.9421060 Load time: 00:00:44.6889300 Size: 4,81 MB in 13146 files --- BinaryPersistenceTester --- Alliances: 2 Rulers: 1011 Planets: 1011 Save time: 00:02:34.7549520 Load time: 00:00:47.3296395 Size: 10,2 MB in 13146 files Running on Linux, Mono JIT compiler version 0.95, I got this: --- XmlPersistenceTester --- Alliances: 2 Rulers: 1011 Planets: 1011 Save time: 00:01:07.6105670 Load time: 00:02:47.9479530 --- BinaryPersistenceTester --- Alliances: 2 Rulers: 1011 Planets: 1011 Save time: 00:01:20.1833240 Load time: 00:03:13.55315 -- Pedro Santos "Si minor plus est ergo nihil sunt omnia..." ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
[Mono-list] Mod_mono for FC2 precompiled
For some reason the mono-complete yum taget does not include a mod_mono shared object. Is there anywhere I can obtain a precompiled mod_mono for FC1/FC2? I'd really prefere an rpm in a yum repository. Regards Morten Krog ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
[Mono-list] Enum.IsDefined
The ArgumentException should be "The value parameter is not the correct type. It must be type String, or the Enum, or the same type as the underlying type of the Enum.", instead of "The value parameter is not the correct type. It must be type String, or the same type as the underlying type of the Enum.". I have checked the message against the code and the msdn docs, although not against Microsofts implementation ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
