[Mono-docs-list] [Fwd: Re: [Mono-dev] Current state of documentation?]
(well, that didn't work right... let's try again) Joshua Tauberer wrote: There's a fundamental problem here: Any documentation you could write for the base classes must necessarily be a derivative work of the original ECMA documentation. That position rests on a number of legal issues that aren't well resolved. Are method signatures derivative works? Are the entire class libraries (the Mono source code) derivative works? I don't think these questions have been resolved in U.S. courts. Perhaps not, but that's not what I mean. I mean that the class libraries were written to conform to the EMCA-335 documentation. I know the .NET implementation is often treated as the gold standard, and wherever extra effort was needed for conformance we should document it, but the implementation really starts from conforming to the ECMA-335 docs. Is the class library source a derivative work of that standard? I don't think so at all. The Mono libraries are an implementation of the ideas embedded in the standard, not a revision of its contents. But when it comes to the question of the documentation for those libraries, any documentation not based on the ECMA specification would almost certainly fall short. You would pretty much have to reference the ECMA docs just to determine the original purpose of each method, if the purpose isn't clear from the source. And we haven't even talked about the additional examples, use cases, and architectural information that makes the spec so helpful. Is it possible to license the ECMA documentation text in a way compatible with Mono licenses and principles? I don't know, but I think it's very worth it to find out. If it's possible to both use and annotate the ECMA documentation where it applies to the Mono libraries, I consider that the best of all worlds. --Brian ___ Mono-docs-list maillist - Mono-docs-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-docs-list
[Mono-docs-list] Re: [Mono-dev] Current state of documentation?
Hello,m 1. What is being used from this project, and should it be updated in its present form? The To be added string is an old string that we used, but people got confused with The API has not been implemented, so we added a hack to the rendering program to substitute the string with something more informative. 2. Who is currently watching over this? mono-docs-list is the place to discuss documentation. 3. Would it be helpful (and/or legal) to update the Mono doc set with the documentation from the ECMA specs? (I can't find a notice from the ECMA site that says either way.) If not, what other way could the documentation for the base classes be updated? The mono documentation is based on the ECMA documentation, we already imported it all. Yes, it is legal, and open sourceish as someone said on a separate thread. There is a new batch of documents that the new ECMA spec has that covers generics that we could import. But before we do this, we need to add generics support to the various tools (documentation updater, monodoc itself, etc). miguel ___ Mono-docs-list maillist - Mono-docs-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-docs-list
Re: [Mono-dev] can mono run under AIX 4.3, 5.2
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 02/22/2006 08:46:57 AM: On 02/22/06 zhu shi song wrote: I hope my C# web application can run under AIX 6000. The OS versions of AIX6000 are 4.3, 5.2. Who know if there is mono binary release for aix? We don't have access to AIX boxes and nobody who does has stepped up to do the port (which should be mostly trivial, mono already runs on ppc). You may want to google for details posted a while ago about this. Later this summer I will be helping some interns who will be doing a mono port to PASE under i5/OS (the OS for IBM's iSeries). When that is done it should work under AIX as well (PASE is essentially AIX). A while ago I tried mono on Linux on the i5 hardware (power 5/power 5+) and it worked fine. -- Bill Seurer IBM System i5 internal compiler development Rochester, MN Business: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://w3.rchland.ibm.com/~seurer/ http://www.seurer.net ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] System.Threading.Thread:MemoryBarrier () implementation in ARM
On 02/26/06 Stefano Ilengo wrote: System.Threading.Thread:MemoryBarrier () implementation is still missing in ARM architecture. The exception thrown when I start XSP on ARM is due to this problem. Is there a way to circumvent the problem without rebuilding mscorelib? MemoryBarrier is now implemented in svn, though I didn't try xsp, so you may run into more issues... lupus -- - [EMAIL PROTECTED] debian/rules [EMAIL PROTECTED] Monkeys do it better ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] apache + mod_mono + libgdiplus = strange behaviour(was: libgdiplus bug?)
well, finally I found a condition when that behaviour appears, so if it may be interesting for someone I can describe a workaround. At 02:21 PM 24/02/2006 -0500, Gonzalo Paniagua Javier wrote: On Fri, 2006-02-24 at 11:28 +0200, Slava Petrenko wrote: [snip] no exception is thrown, Internal server error, that's all :-( I'm still looking for a way to get error messages or a stack trace or something that helps to determine the problem source. any suggestion? There's probably more information in the apache error_log file. My take is that some library is not found with the configuration that the apache user has. But if it is working otherwise, then the only library which would fail to be found would be libgdiplus, and that is accessed dynamically at runtime through P/Invoke. It is not required for the binary to start running, and P/Invoke failing to find a library *does* throw an exception... Jonathan Gilbert ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
[Mono-dev] Current state of documentation?
I've checked out the monodoc project from AnonSVN, but I'm not sure if it's being used. The contents of the various XML files don't match those on the website, unless there's some special translation for anything marked To be added. So I guess what I want to know is: 1. What is being used from this project, and should it be updated in its present form? 2. Who is currently watching over this? 3. Would it be helpful (and/or legal) to update the Mono doc set with the documentation from the ECMA specs? (I can't find a notice from the ECMA site that says either way.) If not, what other way could the documentation for the base classes be updated? --Brian ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] Current state of documentation?
Ah. I missed the part about monodoc being a program with submission support. The questions still stand, though: Is monodoc still being used and maintained? What would be an appropriate way to fill in missing documentation? --Brian Brian Crowell wrote: 1. What is being used from this project, and should it be updated in its present form? 2. Who is currently watching over this? 3. Would it be helpful (and/or legal) to update the Mono doc set with the documentation from the ECMA specs? (I can't find a notice from the ECMA site that says either way.) If not, what other way could the documentation for the base classes be updated? --Brian ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list --- ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] Current state of documentation?
For future reference, mono-docs-list is the right place for these questions. (Anyone replying should now reply on that list and not mono-devel-list.) On to my reply: Hi, Brian, Brian Crowell wrote: I've checked out the monodoc project from AnonSVN, but I'm not sure if it's being used. The contents of the various XML files don't match those on the website, unless there's some special translation for anything marked To be added. Actually, there is. Miguel pointed out some time ago that To be added made it seem like the implementation, rather than the documentation, is missing. So it replaces that on the fly with whatever it actually says. Sometimes the web version falls out of date with what's in SVN, but that should be the only difference. 1. What is being used from this project, and should it be updated in its present form? The monodoc documentation should be updated, yes. We're waiting (or at least I was) for Cecil to support generics before documenting the .NET 2.0 libraries. 2. Who is currently watching over this? Miguel, from the official side of things, but various other people on mono-docs-list have stepped up to watch over things as well. 3. Would it be helpful (and/or legal) to update the Mono doc set with the documentation from the ECMA specs? (I can't find a notice from the ECMA site that says either way.) If not, what other way could the documentation for the base classes be updated? Unless the ECMA docs have been released under an open-source-ish license, they're copyrighted and can't be 'imported' without permission from the copyright holder. I don't know if they're licensed at all. The other way to update docs is for people to write them. :) Really, the best people to write docs are the people that have had a hand in the implementation of the class libraries. (Nudge nudge.) But the rest of us really ought to do some writing too, either through the Monodoc Gtk# app, or via editing the XML files directly and committing or submitting a patch to mono-docs-list. -- - Joshua Tauberer http://taubz.for.net Unfortunately, we're having this discussion. It's too bad, because guess who listens to the discussion: the enemy. ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] Current state of documentation?
Hey, On Feb 27, 2006, at 10:13 PM, Joshua Tauberer wrote: We're waiting (or at least I was) for Cecil to support generics before documenting the .NET 2.0 libraries. Cecil can read .net 2.0 assemblies, and already have generics support (it is used inside the debugger). Jb ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] Current state of documentation?
Joshua Tauberer wrote: For future reference, mono-docs-list is the right place for these questions. (Anyone replying should now reply on that list and not mono-devel-list.) On to my reply: I would, except that list appears to be a ghost town. I'll check with them as soon as my subscription clears, though. Unless the ECMA docs have been released under an open-source-ish license, they're copyrighted and can't be 'imported' without permission from the copyright holder. I don't know if they're licensed at all. The other way to update docs is for people to write them. :) There's a fundamental problem here: Any documentation you could write for the base classes must necessarily be a derivative work of the original ECMA documentation. I think trying to avoid copyright infringement here will be difficult at best. I've written to the ECMA to ask what the rules are on licensing the contents of their standards. It might be better, though, if either a Novell employee or a Swiss native would give them a call. --Brian ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
[Mono-dev] Mono.Unix.UnixGroupInfo in OpenBSD
Hello, Mono.Unix.UnixGroupInfo.GetMembers fails in OpenBSD (mono 1.1.10) Unhandled Exception: System.EntryPointNotFoundException: Mono_Posix_Syscall_getpwnam_r in (wrapper managed-to-native) Mono.Unix.Native.Syscall:sys_getpwnam_r (string,Mono.Unix.Native.Syscall/_Passwd,intptr) in 0x00038 Mono.Unix.Native.Syscall:getpwnam_r (System.String name, Mono.Unix.Native.Passwd pwbuf, Mono.Unix.Native.Passwd pwbufp) in 0x00044 Mono.Unix.UnixUserInfo:.ctor (System.String user) in 0x00068 Mono.Unix.UnixGroupInfo:GetMembers () ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] Current state of documentation?
Jb Evain wrote: We're waiting (or at least I was) for Cecil to support generics before documenting the .NET 2.0 libraries. Cecil can read .net 2.0 assemblies, and already have generics support (it is used inside the debugger). In that case, someone (me, I guess) better update monodocer! -- - Joshua Tauberer http://taubz.for.net Unfortunately, we're having this discussion. It's too bad, because guess who listens to the discussion: the enemy. ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] Unloading an Assembly
Hi, I was going through an MSDN article by Eric Gunnerson. He says that if we want the runtime to probe for the assembly in any other location then we should setup the ApplicationBase property of AppDomainSetup class.By default, runtime will lock that assembly. So we have to set the ShadowCopyFiles property to true so that the assembly is copied to a cache opened. There won't be any lock now. Here is the link for that article. http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dncscol/html/csharp05162002.asp But even after doing all this, still it is giving the same exception. The explanation is good and seems relevant to my application. Iam not able to understand what went wrong ? Please help me. Thank you. ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
Re: [Mono-dev] Current state of documentation?
Hello,m 1. What is being used from this project, and should it be updated in its present form? The To be added string is an old string that we used, but people got confused with The API has not been implemented, so we added a hack to the rendering program to substitute the string with something more informative. 2. Who is currently watching over this? mono-docs-list is the place to discuss documentation. 3. Would it be helpful (and/or legal) to update the Mono doc set with the documentation from the ECMA specs? (I can't find a notice from the ECMA site that says either way.) If not, what other way could the documentation for the base classes be updated? The mono documentation is based on the ECMA documentation, we already imported it all. Yes, it is legal, and open sourceish as someone said on a separate thread. There is a new batch of documents that the new ECMA spec has that covers generics that we could import. But before we do this, we need to add generics support to the various tools (documentation updater, monodoc itself, etc). miguel ___ Mono-devel-list mailing list Mono-devel-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-devel-list
RE: [Mono-list] Configuring Apache for mono
This doesn't seem to be the problem unless I'm missing something. I can only find one version of mod_mono.so on the machine. There is a link called mod_mono.so, which points to mod_mono.so.0.0.0. According to RedCarpet, I have mod_mono 1.0.6-4, which provides mod_mono.so.0 So this all looks OK to me. I've got an absolutely bog standard out-of-the-box setup, so I confess to getting a little frustrated. Is there anyone who can suggest what I can try, given that following the instructions doesn't appear to work? Thanks Peter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gonzalo Paniagua Javier Sent: 26 February 2006 00:09 To: mono-list@lists.ximian.com Subject: Re: [Mono-list] Configuring Apache for mono On Sat, 2006-02-25 at 12:53 +, Bradley, Peter wrote: This thread was: Unable to deploy ASP.NET application on Apache [...] Starting at the paragraph entitled Configuring Mod_Mono, I stopped apache and added the following to my http.conf: LoadModule mono_module /usr/lib/apache2/mod_mono.so Alias /test /usr/lib/xsp/test AddMonoApplications default /test:/usr/lib/xsp/test Location /test SetHandler mono /Location When I tried to restart apache, I got the following error message: Invalid command 'AddMonoApplications', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration You might have an old version of mod_mono.so around. -Gonzalo ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Remoting between mono and CF.NET
Hello, I'm looking for the way to transfer arbitrary objects between Compact.NET application on PocketPC and mono application on linux. And I need it bidirectional, so web service will not suit here. I'd use remoting, but CF.NET doesn't support it. Are there any solutions for such task? Try Ice from ZeroC.com Miguel. ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
[Mono-list] Re: Configuring Apache for mono
Bradley, This doesn't seem to be the problem unless I'm missing something. I can only find one version of mod_mono.so on the machine. There is a link called mod_mono.so, which points to mod_mono.so.0.0.0. According to RedCarpet, I have mod_mono 1.0.6-4, which provides mod_mono.so.0 Mod_mono 1.0.6 is a very old version, so I don't understand why do you thing this is not a problem. If Red Carpet doesn't provide the latest version (1.1.13), you have to compile mod_mono from sources: http://go-mono.com/sources/ So this all looks OK to me. I've got an absolutely bog standard out-of-the-box setup, so I confess to getting a little frustrated. Is there anyone who can suggest what I can try, given that following the instructions doesn't appear to work? Thanks Peter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gonzalo Paniagua Javier Sent: 26 February 2006 00:09 To: mono-list@lists.ximian.com Subject: Re: [Mono-list] Configuring Apache for mono On Sat, 2006-02-25 at 12:53 +, Bradley, Peter wrote: This thread was: Unable to deploy ASP.NET application on Apache [...] Starting at the paragraph entitled Configuring Mod_Mono, I stopped apache and added the following to my http.conf: LoadModule mono_module /usr/lib/apache2/mod_mono.so Alias /test /usr/lib/xsp/test AddMonoApplications default /test:/usr/lib/xsp/test Location /test SetHandler mono /Location When I tried to restart apache, I got the following error message: Invalid command 'AddMonoApplications', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration You might have an old version of mod_mono.so around. -Gonzalo ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
[Mono-list] Service problem
Hi guys, I'm experiencing a weird problem with a Service on FC4... It's basically a multithreaded TcpListener based server. When I run it as a standard console application it works fine; now I'm attempting to transform it into a mono-service based daemon and it does not work. Specifically the problem is that on the client side I do not receive anything (length of zero) when the server is run with mono-service. The service appears to start correctly (according to /var/log/messages), I can connect to it via TCP and send it a SOAP request. On the client side (Windows/.NET, Mac/Mono) TcpClient's NetworkStream.Read reads zero bytes and returns. Afterwards the daemon (started manually with an init script) is no longer existant, with no new message in /var/log/messages. Does this indicate Mono crashed, or doesn't mono-service output anything when it stops the service? (and I do not stop it) Using MSSoapT as intermediary I am however seeing a complete response in the trace (while the client still does not receive it), only that it does not change as expected (using Guid.NewGuid()); and if I use the same classes in a console app it works as expected. Reading that stdout is redirected to /dev/null for mono-service I have double-checked for Console.WriteLine calls and replaced them with Console.Error.WriteLine, but still no indication in /var/log/messages after mono: [...].exe Service [...] started. The assemblies are within my home directory and owned by me, the init script is symlinked from /etc/init.d into my home directory and owned by root (symlink root:root, file root:me). Any ideas? Regards, Andreas ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
[Mono-list] Apache/Mono Health Monitor
Hello, Is there a simple way to monitor the health of my mono applications hosted by Apache? The reason I ask is because I have a production server where a Mono application is seizing up (but not releasing until the next day). After the client has alerted me to theissue, the manualprocedure is to kill the Mono processes and restart Apache. I would like to automate the detection of the problem and then consequently the workaround procedure. I'm running Mono 1.1.7 on a Fedora Core 3 box with Apache 2.0.52 Regards, Camel ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
[Mono-list] Is mod_mono and ASP.NET production ready?
This is not a troll. I am interested in knowing people's experience with ASP.NET applications running with mod_mono under Apache. Is this really production ready? My general sense is that it's not. I am REALLY impressed with the desktop stack Mono offers but haven't really heard of a lot of high end web applications being built on Mono say the way Ruby on Rails is taking off. ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
[Mono-list] path.combine problem
Hi, Can someone help with this? posted in a few forums, no one was able to help, wonder if someone can assist in this.. thanks, appreciated - -- I did a quick webservice and ran it below.. http://203.81.56.67/test/test/MyService.asmx?page=opop=Execute bnd=MyServiceSoaptab=test However i had an error after entering "subject" and "person name", anyone familiar to fix this? The remote server returned an error: (500) Internal Server Error. Could not find file "/usr/lib/xsp/test\new.Maestro". 1. The slash is wrong, how(where) do i fix it.. 2. How do i see the full stack trace? is path.combine broken, how do i fix this?unix dir is /../ and not \ ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
