Re: [Mono-list] Is ASP.NET safe?
On Fri, 2004-06-11 at 08:23, Rodrigo B. de Oliveira wrote: The question was not about how good the asp.net support on mono is right now. The question, a valid one, was what's the recommended approach to write web applications since asp.net is not covered by the ECMA spec, in other words, what's the equivalent piece of technology in the mono stack? I guess the answer is that right now we don't have one. That is what I mean. That is what keep me away from Mono. Mono is good to write desktop applications with GTK# but for web services :( all the best, Rodrigo Em Qui, 2004-06-10 às 21:54, Cory Nelson escreveu: ASP.NET is mainly just a collection of classes. The hack they call PHP doesn't even compare to it haha. Mono's ASP.NET support is actually very good. On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 07:39:35 +0700, Melinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, in FAQ page of go-mono website, there are statements like this: The controversial elements are the ASP.NET, ADO.NET and Windows.Forms subsets. Those are convenient for people who need full compatibility with the Windows platform, but are not required for the open source Mono platform, nor integration with today's Mono's rich support of Linux. Ok, it said ASP.NET is just for people who need full compatibility for Winblows platform, but not required for the open source Mono. So what is the alternative for ASP.NET in open source platform? Maybe PHP.NET? :) ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
[Mono-list] Is ASP.NET safe?
Ok, in FAQ page of go-mono website, there are statements like this: The controversial elements are the ASP.NET, ADO.NET and Windows.Forms subsets. Those are convenient for people who need full compatibility with the Windows platform, but are not required for the open source Mono platform, nor integration with today's Mono's rich support of Linux. I understand if Windows.Forms is controversial because to implement it, you have to use emulation so why bother. Just use something like Gtk#. What about Web services? ASP.NET is controversial according to the FAQ page. And it said: are not required for the open source Mono platform, nor Ok, it said ASP.NET is just for people who need full compatibility for Winblows platform, but not required for the open source Mono. So what is the alternative for ASP.NET in open source platform? Maybe PHP.NET? :) ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
[Mono-list] mcs and mono package
In this page: http://www.go-mono.org/download.html . The Virtual Execution System is available in package `mono'. Please refer to our Runtime description for more details on this part of the project. Optional packages are `libgdiplus' (if you want to do graphics), `winelib' (if you want to run the alpha winforms support). The package `mcs' contains the C# source code to the compilers and class libraries. . Ok what is difference between mono and mcs? I am confuse Before I read that page carefully, I thought mono is same with jre and mcs is same with javasdk. But after reading the page, here is my thought. The mono is the runtime and compiler and the class. But mcs is the source code of the mono. So which one is true. ... Can you explain it to me, guyz ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
RE: [Mono-list] mcs and mono package
On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 18:52, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Melinda, mono is the runtime (class libraries etc) mcs is the c# compiler Mbas is the vb.net compiler mint is the interpreter Hope this makes things a little clearer. I m sorry but that's not what I mean. I mean... what is difference between mono and mcs as package? I remember. I don't need mcs-xxx.tar.bz2 package to use this command: $ mcs whatever.cs Compilation successful So I confuse, why would someone want to install mcs-xxx.tar.bz2 if you got mcs compiler in mono-xxx.tar.bz2 package? I can compile c sharp file without installing mcs-xxx.tar.bz2 package. Thank you. Regards, Jon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Melinda Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 12:42 PM To: Mono List Subject: [Mono-list] mcs and mono package In this page: http://www.go-mono.org/download.html . The Virtual Execution System is available in package `mono'. Please refer to our Runtime description for more details on this part of the project. Optional packages are `libgdiplus' (if you want to do graphics), `winelib' (if you want to run the alpha winforms support). The package `mcs' contains the C# source code to the compilers and class libraries. . Ok what is difference between mono and mcs? I am confuse Before I read that page carefully, I thought mono is same with jre and mcs is same with javasdk. But after reading the page, here is my thought. The mono is the runtime and compiler and the class. But mcs is the source code of the mono. So which one is true. ... Can you explain it to me, guyz ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list This email may contain information which is privileged or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, please notify the sender immediately and delete it without reading, copying, storing, forwarding or disclosing its contents to any other person Thank you Check us out at http://www.btsyntegra.com ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] mcs and mono package
On Tue, 2004-06-08 at 18:30, Giuseppe Greco wrote: The split between mono and mcs is historical... The mono package contains the execution environment source code, plus the pre-compiled class library. Is it safe to tell people that: mono-xxx.tar.bz2 has compiler for C# inside? I am writing article about mono but I m still confuse. Do we need mcs in order to install C# compiler for your computer? The link for downloading mcs-xxx.tar.gz is: Mono Class Libraries and C# Compiler 0.95 You see C# compiler C# compiler... But with mono and without mcs, you have C# compiler already. YOu could do something like this: mcs blabla.cs without installing mcs package. I am confuse. What is mcs? Where is C# compiler truly? In mono or mcs package? To get mono running, you just need this package. The mcs package contains the class library source code, and you need it only if you want to compile the class library by yourself. Why would someone want to do this? Thank you, guyz I just hope I can clarify this in my article so my readers are not confuse just like me. j3d. , in reality the .NET Framework has deeper dependencies than those that meet the eye. They should be in fact be considered as one package. ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
[Mono-list] Is it Mono safe?
Look over here: http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog/mono and here: http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=7094 This is bad news :( How do you convince somebody to programming in Mono if he already read that news? ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
RE: [Mono-list] Is it Mono safe?
Thankx for the reply. I appreciate it. On Thu, 2004-05-20 at 17:53, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some information... http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/4557 Miguel and Novell legal staff are currently conducting a formal patent review of mono, and the team had already split up the components of mono into separate ECMA-based and non-ECMA components (WinForms, ADO.NET, etc) to clearly define what RedHat and others could make use of. Importantly, Miguel also said that Ximian had a letter from Microsoft, Intel and HP stating that they would offer *royalty-free* RAND licensing to the ECMA-submitted components of .NET. [Aside: He said they were kicking around catchy names like 'polio' or 'cholera' to distinguish the free and non-free stacks] I told Miguel he should publicize the letter more because it was such a relief to me, but he said it would be premature to promote this before the patent review was complete in case other infringement was uncovered. http://www.go-mono.com/faq.html#patents Most importantly: For Linux server and desktop development, we only need the ECMA components, and things that we have developed (like Gtk#) or Apache integration. http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg06501.html Read Andy Satori's very well though out response, also Miguel's second response further down in the thread. I believe Andy hit the nail on the head with regards to the possibility of MS imposing restrictions on Mono in the future. MS are trying to better their image. They are now even releaseing old source on sourceforge. They would not benefit from any future attack on Mono. http://nwc.linuxpipeline.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=20300445 Yet according to de Icaza, open source advocates have blown the royalty issue out of proportion. We already know that the ECMA components are royalty-free, he stated. To the best of my knowledge, I am not aware of any libraries or other parts that would have to be licensed under royalty terms from Microsoft. I think this issue comes up more because people in the open source community are scared of Microsoft and because they're ill-informed about the issue, de Icaza said. We've spent a lot of time dealing with [the patent question], and we're confident that we understand it. I believe the Mono/Novell tem are working on an official legal standing for Mono 1.0, so please wait until then before voicing growing concern for the implications of development with the framework. -Original Message- From: Simon Ask Ulsnes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 11:34 AM To: COOPER, Jonathan -Syntegra UK Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Mono-list] Is it Mono safe? Tell me again: Why doesn't Novell/Ximian contact Microsoft to get it on paper that Mono _is_ safe? (and if Microsoft refuses, can we actually be sure it is safe?) - Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think one of the greatest barriers to adoption of mono by influential developers will always be the MS issue. Miguel has explained the legal situation over and over, but there are some linux users who will argue over the smallest detail wherever MS is concerned with a technology. It is unfortunate that the community will negate the fantastic success of the mono development guys through FUD and miscommunication. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Melinda Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 6:40 AM To: Mono List Subject: [Mono-list] Is it Mono safe? Look over here: http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog/mono and here: http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=7094 This is bad news :( How do you convince somebody to programming in Mono if he already read that news? ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list This email may contain information which is privileged or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, please notify the sender immediately and delete it without reading, copying, storing, forwarding or disclosing its contents to any other person Thank you Check us out at http://www.btsyntegra.com ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list This email may contain information which is privileged or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, please notify the sender immediately and delete it without reading, copying, storing, forwarding or disclosing its contents to any other person Thank you Check us out at http
