Re: [Mono-list] "Beginner C# book": round two
Hi Andrew, 2007/10/30, Andrew Conkling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On 10/29/07, Martin Trejo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > If not the definitive guide, at least is not MS/VS oriented > > http://www.librarything.com/work/454187/book/16053479 > > > > It's a bit old and there are quite a bunch of new stuff but is mainly > > oriented to Linux/Mono environments. > > > That's good news. Is it outdated? I'm not even sure what to ask about in > terms of it being old, but as long as I can understand C# enough to start > looking at the documentation for GTK# and to start hacking on some source > code, I'll be happy. > > The one you mentioned by Jesse Liberty it's quite good too. There is one > > from APress by Gunnerson I can't recall right now. > > > Duly noted... Liberty's seems to be rather well-liked. Is there anything > lacking in it? As a beginner in C# there is nothing missing but advanced themes are touched quite lightly (for my like), For advanced themes on C# I highly recommend reading mcs' source code :P. ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] "Beginner C# book": round two
On 10/30/07, Mads Bondo Dydensborg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Please note, that it is quite short and concise - it really is a nice book > if > you already know how to program (which I am sure you do). A bit, a bit. ;) I certainly wouldn't mind a review of OOP though. I'm not planning on only picking up one book anyway, so maybe I'll get this one and the Mono one Martin pointed out. Cheers, Andrew ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] "Beginner C# book": round two
On 10/30/07, Mads Bondo Dydensborg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Please note, that it is quite short and concise - it really is a nice book > if > you already know how to program (which I am sure you do). A bit, a bit. ;) I certainly wouldn't mind a review of OOP though. I'm not planning on only picking up one book anyway, so maybe I'll get this one and the Mono one Martin pointed out. Cheers, Andrew ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] "Beginner C# book": round two
[C# Precisely, by Sestoft et al] > Looks like the nice thing is that this covers C# 2.0. If I understand > correctly, that's supported in Mono 1.2, right? Mostly, yes. > > It does not cover the framework, apart from a very few things. > > > So this would exclude the class libraries. From a quick survey, it looks > like those provide a lot of functionality. Would I be lacking if I didn't > cover those quickly? For what it's worth, I'm mostly interested in > contributing to some of the GNOME projects using Mono. > This book is about the core language. Its really very good for that. Hacking Mono sources is probably mostly framework. I can't say I would know much about that, really, and the book is _not_ about the framework, but the language. Please note, that it is quite short and concise - it really is a nice book if you already know how to program (which I am sure you do). Regards. Mads -- Med venlig hilsen/Regards Systemudvikler/Systemsdeveloper cand.scient.dat, Ph.d., Mads Bondo Dydensborg Dansk BiblioteksCenter A/S, Tempovej 7-11, 2750 Ballerup, Tlf. +45 44 86 77 34 ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] "Beginner C# book": round two
On 10/29/07, Martin Trejo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If not the definitive guide, at least is not MS/VS oriented > http://www.librarything.com/work/454187/book/16053479 > > It's a bit old and there are quite a bunch of new stuff but is mainly > oriented to Linux/Mono environments. That's good news. Is it outdated? I'm not even sure what to ask about in terms of it being old, but as long as I can understand C# enough to start looking at the documentation for GTK# and to start hacking on some source code, I'll be happy. The one you mentioned by Jesse Liberty it's quite good too. There is one > from APress by Gunnerson I can't recall right now. Duly noted... Liberty's seems to be rather well-liked. Is there anything lacking in it? Cheers, Andrew ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] "Beginner C# book": round two
On 10/30/07, Mads Bondo Dydensborg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > mandag 29 Oktober 2007 skrev Andrew Conkling: > > http://lists.ximian.com/pipermail/mono-list/2004-August/022878.html > > > > That thread is a few years old, and I'm posting now in hopes to find > some > > more current recommendations. > > I have greatly enjoyed > > http://www.amazon.co.uk/C-Precisely-Peter-Sestoft/dp/0262693178 > > for the core language. Looks like the nice thing is that this covers C# 2.0. If I understand correctly, that's supported in Mono 1.2, right? It does not cover the framework, apart from a very few things. So this would exclude the class libraries. From a quick survey, it looks like those provide a lot of functionality. Would I be lacking if I didn't cover those quickly? For what it's worth, I'm mostly interested in contributing to some of the GNOME projects using Mono. Cheers, Andrew ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] "Beginner C# book": round two
mandag 29 Oktober 2007 skrev Andrew Conkling: > http://lists.ximian.com/pipermail/mono-list/2004-August/022878.html > > That thread is a few years old, and I'm posting now in hopes to find some > more current recommendations. I have greatly enjoyed http://www.amazon.co.uk/C-Precisely-Peter-Sestoft/dp/0262693178 for the core language. It does not cover the framework, apart from a very few things. Also, I just received this: http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/bookdescription.cws_home/712628/description#description But haven't read it yet. Regards, Mads -- Med venlig hilsen/Regards Systemudvikler/Systemsdeveloper cand.scient.dat, Ph.d., Mads Bondo Dydensborg Dansk BiblioteksCenter A/S, Tempovej 7-11, 2750 Ballerup, Tlf. +45 44 86 77 34 ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
[Mono-list] "Beginner C# book": round two
http://lists.ximian.com/pipermail/mono-list/2004-August/022878.html That thread is a few years old, and I'm posting now in hopes to find some more current recommendations. Similarly, I'm looking to do some C#/Mono development on Linux, and am looking for a book that's suited to this environment, or at the very least not very Microsoft/Visual Studio centered. It seemed that the best choices from the replies on that original thread were "Learning C#" or "Programming C#" from O'Reilly's, with a bias towards the former for being more introductory. Is that still the case? Anything better these days? It sounds like I'm a bit more familiar with OOP, for what that's worth, but only in the I've-used-Python-and-only-sorta-get-OOP kind of way, so any review on that topic would be quite welcome. :) Thanks in advance, Best regards, Andrew Conkling ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] "Beginner C# book": round two
Hi Andrew, If not the definitive guide, at least is not MS/VS oriented http://www.librarything.com/work/454187/book/16053479 It's a bit old and there are quite a bunch of new stuff but is mainly oriented to Linux/Mono environments. The one you mentioned by Jesse Liberty it's quite good too. There is one from APress by Gunnerson I can't recall right now. Saludos, Martín Trejo Chávez 2007/10/29, Andrew Conkling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > http://lists.ximian.com/pipermail/mono-list/2004-August/022878.html > > That thread is a few years old, and I'm posting now in hopes to find some > more current recommendations. > > Similarly, I'm looking to do some C#/Mono development on Linux, and am > looking for a book that's suited to this environment, or at the very least > not very Microsoft/Visual Studio centered. > > It seemed that the best choices from the replies on that original thread > were "Learning C#" or "Programming C#" from O'Reilly's, with a bias towards > the former for being more introductory. Is that still the case? Anything > better these days? > > It sounds like I'm a bit more familiar with OOP, for what that's worth, > but only in the I've-used-Python-and-only-sorta-get-OOP kind of way, so any > review on that topic would be quite welcome. :) > > Thanks in advance, > Best regards, > Andrew Conkling > > ___ > Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list > > ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Beginner C# Book
> anyone still here? quiet lately.. > setting up an FC2 box tonight, and tomorrow to play with the 1.01, been > a while... going to do a presentation for the dot-net usergroup in my > area in january, for "Non-Microsoft .Net" .. focussing on alternatives > to MS based services, would love to get suggestions and feedback. I did such a presentation not too long ago... ftp://www.kalamazoolinux.org/pub/pdf/mono.pdf ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Beginner C# Book
anyone still here? quiet lately.. setting up an FC2 box tonight, and tomorrow to play with the 1.01, been a while... going to do a presentation for the dot-net usergroup in my area in january, for "Non-Microsoft .Net" .. focussing on alternatives to MS based services, would love to get suggestions and feedback. -- Michael J. Ryan - tracker1(at)theroughnecks(dot)com - www.theroughnecks.net icq: 4935386 - AIM/AOL: azTracker1 - Y!: azTracker1 - MSN/Win: (email) ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
RE: [Mono-list] Beginner C# Book
Hi, > Yeah, Herb Schildt has two C# books out that I've seen, and both are bad. "If ever you want answers quick, then ask the expert". The only problem is that this is the standard advertising blurb on his books. Unfortunately as well, folks pay 30 UKP per book to find he is *not* the expert. > They both look like recycles of his Java books which were recycles of his > C++ books. Very liitle effort was done to make these books .NET oriented. No. Very little effort was done. > A shame, Herb wrote some good C/C++ books in the old days. Can't say I've seen any of them. Probably the best book he wrote was the annotated C standard whereby for 18UKP, you had a full copy of the standard and could just ignore is largely incorrect comments on the opposing pages! Schildt is a dangerous author. Very dangerous. TTFN Paul -- "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful - and so are we," "They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people - and neither do we." - George W. Bush, Aug 2004 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
RE: [Mono-list] Beginner C# Book
On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 00:02:39 +0100, "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Hi, > > > I picked up and started Sams "C# Primer". It dates from 2001, but it > > seems to be taking a nice, slow, make-no-assumptions approach. > > And if it's anything like the other SAMS books I've had the misfortune > to read, full of errors! > > > Wrox books are full of obvious typos, even in second editions and > > later. Who proofreads their stuff? > > Dunno, but it can't be anywhere near as bad as Linux Games Programming > from Prima-Tech or *anything* Herb Shildt has done... I'm about 100 pages into the Sams book and haven't seen any glaring typos yet. Overall,I've had mixed experience with them. In general, it seems the "computer book" trade is full of products with poor quality control. Even if someone does catch the typos, they often appear to be edited by someone with no awareness of the subject: bad organization, lack of continuity, etc. These are the tell-tales signs of bad writing that editors are supposed to fix. I also picked up a Wrox book that is a fountain of typos and reads as an unpolished collection of lectures notes, and maybe it is. But, it is the third edition, time enough for the typos, at least,to have been corrected. O'Reilly isn't perfect, but their books are professionally written and edited. So is Prentice-Hall, and I've read some awfully good books from the Dr Dobbs folks at M&T. At first glance, this subject seems a bit OT, but I think it is pertinent to any newborn language that's trying to attract fans and users. A beginner's Mono book -- keyed to the Linux platform -- from a quality publisher would provide a real boost. ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
RE: [Mono-list] Beginner C# Book
Yeah, Herb Schildt has two C# books out that I've seen, and both are bad. They both look like recycles of his Java books which were recycles of his C++ books. Very liitle effort was done to make these books .NET oriented. A shame, Herb wrote some good C/C++ books in the old days. -Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 7:03 PM To: Mono List Subject: RE: [Mono-list] Beginner C# Book Hi, > I picked up and started Sams "C# Primer". It dates from 2001, but it > seems to be taking a nice, slow, make-no-assumptions approach. And if it's anything like the other SAMS books I've had the misfortune to read, full of errors! > Wrox books are full of obvious typoes, even in second editions and > later. Who proofreads their stuff? Dunno, but it can't be anywhere near as bad as Linux Games Programming from Prima-Tech or *anything* Herb Shildt has done... TTFN Paul -- "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful - and so are we," "They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people - and neither do we." - George W. Bush, Aug 2004 ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
RE: [Mono-list] Beginner C# Book
Hi, > I picked up and started Sams "C# Primer". It dates from 2001, but it > seems to be taking a nice, slow, make-no-assumptions approach. And if it's anything like the other SAMS books I've had the misfortune to read, full of errors! > Wrox books are full of obvious typoes, even in second editions and > later. Who proofreads their stuff? Dunno, but it can't be anywhere near as bad as Linux Games Programming from Prima-Tech or *anything* Herb Shildt has done... TTFN Paul -- "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful - and so are we," "They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people - and neither do we." - George W. Bush, Aug 2004 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
RE: [Mono-list] Beginner C# Book
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:50:24 +0100, "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Tue, 2004-08-24 at 22:31 -0500, Carl Olsen wrote: > > I have two recommendations, Mono Kickstart (Sams) > > NO. It's way out of date now and really isn't a very good book. (what a > suprise, a Sams book which isn't very good) > > > Beginning Visual C# (Wrox). > > Another not amazing book. I picked up and started Sams "C# Primer". It dates from 2001, but it seems to be taking a nice, slow, make-no-assumptions approach. Wrox books are full of obvious typoes, even in second editions and later. Who proofreads their stuff? ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
RE: [Mono-list] Beginner C# Book
On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:50:24 +0100, "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Tue, 2004-08-24 at 22:31 -0500, Carl Olsen wrote: > > I have two recommendations, Mono Kickstart (Sams) > > NO. It's way out of date now and really isn't a very good book. (what a > suprise, a Sams book which isn't very good) > > > Beginning Visual C# (Wrox). > > Another not amazing book. > ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
RE: [Mono-list] Beginner C# Book
On Tue, 2004-08-24 at 22:31 -0500, Carl Olsen wrote: > I have two recommendations, Mono Kickstart (Sams) NO. It's way out of date now and really isn't a very good book. (what a suprise, a Sams book which isn't very good) > Beginning Visual C# (Wrox). Another not amazing book. I have both and out of the two, the most use they get is for killing wasps! TTFN Paul -- "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful - and so are we," "They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people - and neither do we." - George W. Bush, Aug 2004 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
RE: [Mono-list] Beginner C# Book
I have two recommendations, Mono Kickstart (Sams) and Beginning Visual C# (Wrox). I know the second book is written for Windows and Visual Studio, but it really covers the C# language and syntax well. I tried learning ASP.NET first and had to go back and learn C# before it made any sense. I just picked up Mono: A Developers Notebook, but haven't started reading it yet. I'm currently reading ASP.NET Website Programming (Wrox), which, again, is another Windows / Visual Studio book. I'm trying to keep up with Mono at the same time. I've moved some C# ASP.NET code from Windows to Linux and it runs exactly the same on both platforms. The code I'm using reads and writes XML files. It's the BLOG example at the end of the Beginning Visual C# book, so that should tell you why I'm recommending a Windows-centric book for learning C# on any platform. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:mono-list- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom McLaughlin > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 9:51 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Mono-list] Beginner C# Book > > Thanks to everyone who responded, I got a lot of great suggestions. I > ended up grabbing "Learning C#" from O'Reilly. It's starting me off > with the basics and it's not overly long so I can decide what direction > I want to go once I'm done with it. Thanks a bunch. > > Tom > > > > On Sun, 2004-08-22 at 18:39 -0400, Tom McLaughlin wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I'm looking for a good beginner C# book. Preferably one that does not > > assume a certain amount of familiarity with C++, Java, or OOP in > > general. I picked up "Mono: A Developers Notebook" from O'Reilly > > figuring that some of the C++ I saw in school would come back to me. > > What I saw in school was nearly five years ago and it's definitely not > > coming back. > > > > I really need a book that will not only go over the syntax and structure > > of the language but the underlying fundementals of the language. (Like > > not just how to create a vector but what each part of the declaraion > > means and how it all works.) Right now I maintain the FreeBSD port for > > Muine and I am looking at creating ports of other applications. I would > > like to have enough familiarity with the language to fix bugs, > > especially FreeBSD specific bugs in programs. > > > > If someone could recommend a book they found to give a good > > comprehensive understanding of the language to a beginner that would be > > great. Thanks. > > > > Tom > > > > ___ > > Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list > > ___ > Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Beginner C# Book
Thanks to everyone who responded, I got a lot of great suggestions. I ended up grabbing "Learning C#" from O'Reilly. It's starting me off with the basics and it's not overly long so I can decide what direction I want to go once I'm done with it. Thanks a bunch. Tom On Sun, 2004-08-22 at 18:39 -0400, Tom McLaughlin wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm looking for a good beginner C# book. Preferably one that does not > assume a certain amount of familiarity with C++, Java, or OOP in > general. I picked up "Mono: A Developers Notebook" from O'Reilly > figuring that some of the C++ I saw in school would come back to me. > What I saw in school was nearly five years ago and it's definitely not > coming back. > > I really need a book that will not only go over the syntax and structure > of the language but the underlying fundementals of the language. (Like > not just how to create a vector but what each part of the declaraion > means and how it all works.) Right now I maintain the FreeBSD port for > Muine and I am looking at creating ports of other applications. I would > like to have enough familiarity with the language to fix bugs, > especially FreeBSD specific bugs in programs. > > If someone could recommend a book they found to give a good > comprehensive understanding of the language to a beginner that would be > great. Thanks. > > Tom > > ___ > Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
RE: [Mono-list] Beginner C# Book
Title: RE: [Mono-list] Beginner C# Book You should also take a look at www.deitel.com, they have a lot of good books. Not just on C#, but also on Perl, Python, C++, Visual Basic... even good old C. > -Original Message- > From: Tom McLaughlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 6:39 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [Mono-list] Beginner C# Book > > > Hi all, > > I'm looking for a good beginner C# book. Preferably one that does not > assume a certain amount of familiarity with C++, Java, or OOP in > general. I picked up "Mono: A Developers Notebook" from O'Reilly > figuring that some of the C++ I saw in school would come back to me. > What I saw in school was nearly five years ago and it's definitely not > coming back. > > I really need a book that will not only go over the syntax > and structure > of the language but the underlying fundamentals of the > language. (Like > not just how to create a vector but what each part of the declaration > means and how it all works.) Right now I maintain the > FreeBSD port for > Muine and I am looking at creating ports of other > applications. I would > like to have enough familiarity with the language to fix bugs, > especially FreeBSD specific bugs in programs. > > If someone could recommend a book they found to give a good > comprehensive understanding of the language to a beginner > that would be > great. Thanks. > > Tom > > ___ > Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list >
RE: [Mono-list] Beginner C# Book
Tom, Welcome to the journey that is C# and the .NET framework! I found the book "C# Primer Plus", by Klaus Michelsen, excellent for those new to C# and OOP: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0672321521/qid=1093265707/sr=ka-1/ref =pd_ka_1/104-4273990-8750300 It assumes no prior OOP language experience and it focuses on the C# language and syntax without the distraction of delving too deep into the extended .NET framework classes, which is a much bigger topic better left for other books. Also, no need for Visual Studio.NET, you should be able to use your favorite text editor or IDE and Mono with the program examples just fine. Sharpdevelop(monodevelop on *nix), for instance, is excellent. After this book, I dug into "Programming C#" by Jesse Liberty, then "Professional C#, Second Edition" by Simon Robinson, then "Applied .NET Framework Programming" by Jeffrey Richter and finally "Programming .NET Components" by Juval Lowey. You will find some overlap in these books, but that's to be expected. In my opinion, they are all top titles, and I still use them quite a bit. Some of them mention the use of VS.NET but do not require it. There are many, many other reference books for specific topics like ADO.NET, ASP.NET. Windows Forms, etc, but avoid the temptation to veer off into those areas until you are comfortable with C# and the standard .NET framework classes first. I made that mistake and started spinning my wheels until I went back and finished learning the basics first. ;-) Regards, Dan Maltes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom McLaughlin Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 6:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mono-list] Beginner C# Book Hi all, I'm looking for a good beginner C# book. Preferably one that does not assume a certain amount of familiarity with C++, Java, or OOP in general. I picked up "Mono: A Developers Notebook" from O'Reilly figuring that some of the C++ I saw in school would come back to me. What I saw in school was nearly five years ago and it's definitely not coming back. I really need a book that will not only go over the syntax and structure of the language but the underlying fundementals of the language. (Like not just how to create a vector but what each part of the declaraion means and how it all works.) Right now I maintain the FreeBSD port for Muine and I am looking at creating ports of other applications. I would like to have enough familiarity with the language to fix bugs, especially FreeBSD specific bugs in programs. If someone could recommend a book they found to give a good comprehensive understanding of the language to a beginner that would be great. Thanks. Tom ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Beginner C# Book
> >>> I'm looking for a good beginner C# book. Preferably one that does not > >>> assume a certain amount of familiarity with C++, Java, or OOP in > >>> general. I picked up "Mono: A Developers Notebook" from O'Reilly > >>> figuring that some of the C++ I saw in school would come back to me. > >>> What I saw in school was nearly five years ago and it's definitely not > >>> coming back. check http://www.eckelobjects.com/ in case he's released "Thinking in C#" for free (had written he was planning to make such a book) as he had done for "Thinking in C++" and "Thinking in Java" in the past. Very nice books for learning an OOP language, esp. the Java one I had partially read... I loved it. - George Birbilis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.kagi.com/birbilis -- ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Beginner C# Book
Hi, > You might want to check out "Programming C#" by Jesse Liberty, 3rd edition, > pub. O'Reilly, ISBN 0-596-00489-3. > > The 3rd edition has complete coverage of .NET 1.1 and in this edition they > added VS.NET 2003, but not too much (50 pages out of 700 something). > > I would recommend it to anyone. Learning C#, Liberty http://www.accu.org/bookreviews/public/reviews/l/l003354.htm Programming C#, Liberty http://www.accu.org/bookreviews/public/reviews/p/p003468.htm I can't remember which one I liked better, they're both cracking books. I'd still recommend Mono : A developer's handbook as the 2nd or 3rd book you should read. TTFN Paul -- "If I face my God tomorrow, I can tell Him I am innocent. I've never harmed anyone. I have cheated no one. I have deceived no one. I have hurt no one. Except myself. And that He will forgive me." - Hans Holzel signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Mono-list] Beginner C# Book
You might want to check out "Programming C#" by Jesse Liberty, 3rd edition, pub. O'Reilly, ISBN 0-596-00489-3. The 3rd edition has complete coverage of .NET 1.1 and in this edition they added VS.NET 2003, but not too much (50 pages out of 700 something). I would recommend it to anyone. Its a great book for a beginner and a pro. It has all basic coverage On 8/22/04 4:57 PM, "Tom McLaughlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Peter, one thing pointed out to me off list is that I need to be > aware that many C# books are geared towards the MS platform and will > spend a lot of time on Windows Forms and the Visual Studio .NET tools. > Is that the case with "Learning C#"? Thanks. > > Tom > > On Sun, 2004-08-22 at 17:36 -0600, Peter Dennis Bartok wrote: >> O'Reilly : "Learning C#" it teaches from the ground up, and then O'Reilly's >> "Programming C#", which introduces you to things like ASP.Net and SWF. >> >> Peter >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: "Tom McLaughlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Date: Sunday, 22 August, 2004 16:39 >> Subject: [Mono-list] Beginner C# Book >> >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I'm looking for a good beginner C# book. Preferably one that does not >>> assume a certain amount of familiarity with C++, Java, or OOP in >>> general. I picked up "Mono: A Developers Notebook" from O'Reilly >>> figuring that some of the C++ I saw in school would come back to me. >>> What I saw in school was nearly five years ago and it's definitely not >>> coming back. >>> >>> I really need a book that will not only go over the syntax and structure >>> of the language but the underlying fundementals of the language. (Like >>> not just how to create a vector but what each part of the declaraion >>> means and how it all works.) Right now I maintain the FreeBSD port for >>> Muine and I am looking at creating ports of other applications. I would >>> like to have enough familiarity with the language to fix bugs, >>> especially FreeBSD specific bugs in programs. >>> >>> If someone could recommend a book they found to give a good >>> comprehensive understanding of the language to a beginner that would be >>> great. Thanks. >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> ___ >>> Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list >>> >>> >> > > ___ > Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
RE: [Mono-list] Beginner C# Book
I prefered Beginning (Visual) C# from WROX. It's a very good beginners book which doesn't use the "let's do 50 small applications and you'll get the picture" method, But tries to give a deeper insight on .NET and C# without making it to complicated or windows dependent. Timothy. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.737 / Virus Database: 491 - Release Date: 11/08/2004 ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Beginner C# Book
I thought "Inside C#" was great. It doesn't have any SWF or ASP.NET stuff in it, after the book I understood what all the stuff on MSDN was :) On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 18:39:29 -0400, Tom McLaughlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm looking for a good beginner C# book. Preferably one that does not > assume a certain amount of familiarity with C++, Java, or OOP in > general. I picked up "Mono: A Developers Notebook" from O'Reilly > figuring that some of the C++ I saw in school would come back to me. > What I saw in school was nearly five years ago and it's definitely not > coming back. > > I really need a book that will not only go over the syntax and structure > of the language but the underlying fundementals of the language. (Like > not just how to create a vector but what each part of the declaraion > means and how it all works.) Right now I maintain the FreeBSD port for > Muine and I am looking at creating ports of other applications. I would > like to have enough familiarity with the language to fix bugs, > especially FreeBSD specific bugs in programs. > > If someone could recommend a book they found to give a good > comprehensive understanding of the language to a beginner that would be > great. Thanks. > > Tom > > ___ > Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list > -- Cory Nelson http://www.int64.org ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Beginner C# Book
Hi Peter, one thing pointed out to me off list is that I need to be aware that many C# books are geared towards the MS platform and will spend a lot of time on Windows Forms and the Visual Studio .NET tools. Is that the case with "Learning C#"? Thanks. Tom On Sun, 2004-08-22 at 17:36 -0600, Peter Dennis Bartok wrote: > O'Reilly : "Learning C#" it teaches from the ground up, and then O'Reilly's > "Programming C#", which introduces you to things like ASP.Net and SWF. > > Peter > > > -Original Message- > From: "Tom McLaughlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Sunday, 22 August, 2004 16:39 > Subject: [Mono-list] Beginner C# Book > > > >Hi all, > > > >I'm looking for a good beginner C# book. Preferably one that does not > >assume a certain amount of familiarity with C++, Java, or OOP in > >general. I picked up "Mono: A Developers Notebook" from O'Reilly > >figuring that some of the C++ I saw in school would come back to me. > >What I saw in school was nearly five years ago and it's definitely not > >coming back. > > > >I really need a book that will not only go over the syntax and structure > >of the language but the underlying fundementals of the language. (Like > >not just how to create a vector but what each part of the declaraion > >means and how it all works.) Right now I maintain the FreeBSD port for > >Muine and I am looking at creating ports of other applications. I would > >like to have enough familiarity with the language to fix bugs, > >especially FreeBSD specific bugs in programs. > > > >If someone could recommend a book they found to give a good > >comprehensive understanding of the language to a beginner that would be > >great. Thanks. > > > >Tom > > > >___ > >Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list > > > > > ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Beginner C# Book
O'Reilly : "Learning C#" it teaches from the ground up, and then O'Reilly's "Programming C#", which introduces you to things like ASP.Net and SWF. Peter -Original Message- From: "Tom McLaughlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sunday, 22 August, 2004 16:39 Subject: [Mono-list] Beginner C# Book >Hi all, > >I'm looking for a good beginner C# book. Preferably one that does not >assume a certain amount of familiarity with C++, Java, or OOP in >general. I picked up "Mono: A Developers Notebook" from O'Reilly >figuring that some of the C++ I saw in school would come back to me. >What I saw in school was nearly five years ago and it's definitely not >coming back. > >I really need a book that will not only go over the syntax and structure >of the language but the underlying fundementals of the language. (Like >not just how to create a vector but what each part of the declaraion >means and how it all works.) Right now I maintain the FreeBSD port for >Muine and I am looking at creating ports of other applications. I would >like to have enough familiarity with the language to fix bugs, >especially FreeBSD specific bugs in programs. > >If someone could recommend a book they found to give a good >comprehensive understanding of the language to a beginner that would be >great. Thanks. > >Tom > >___ >Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list > > ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
[Mono-list] Beginner C# Book
Hi all, I'm looking for a good beginner C# book. Preferably one that does not assume a certain amount of familiarity with C++, Java, or OOP in general. I picked up "Mono: A Developers Notebook" from O'Reilly figuring that some of the C++ I saw in school would come back to me. What I saw in school was nearly five years ago and it's definitely not coming back. I really need a book that will not only go over the syntax and structure of the language but the underlying fundementals of the language. (Like not just how to create a vector but what each part of the declaraion means and how it all works.) Right now I maintain the FreeBSD port for Muine and I am looking at creating ports of other applications. I would like to have enough familiarity with the language to fix bugs, especially FreeBSD specific bugs in programs. If someone could recommend a book they found to give a good comprehensive understanding of the language to a beginner that would be great. Thanks. Tom ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
