Re: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7
The MonoDevelop rpms on go-mono.com have been updated to fix this. The Linux Installer has also been updated. Wade On Mon, 2005-09-12 at 10:45 +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Running Mono 1.1.9. Installed from SuSE 9.3 RPMs, after uninstalling Mono, due to a problems after installing Mono from the binay installer. If you create a new Glade# 2 project, it generates a set of references that point to Glade# version 2.00, Gtk# version 2.00 etc References ProjectReference type=Gac localcopy=True refto=gtk-sharp, Version=2.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=35e10195dab3c99f / ProjectReference type=Gac localcopy=True refto=gdk-sharp, Version=2.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=35e10195dab3c99f / ProjectReference type=Gac localcopy=True refto=glib-sharp, Version=2.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=35e10195dab3c99f / ProjectReference type=Gac localcopy=True refto=glade-sharp, Version=2.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=35e10195dab3c99f / ProjectReference type=Gac localcopy=True refto=pango-sharp, Version=2.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=35e10195dab3c99f / ProjectReference type=Gac localcopy=True refto=glade-sharp, Version=2.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=35e10195dab3c99f / /References But Mono 1.1.9 does not seem to have any version 2.00 dlls for these libraries. Instead it has either Version 1.00, or Version 2.4. Strangely, if you run the Glade editor GUI, you can build windows, and paste widgets into them. You can also compile the Glade C code. Regards Tracy Barlow Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 08:28:01 +1000 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7 To: mono-list@lists.ximian.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain What I am getting now is the following error when I try to run any Glade based GUI app glade-sharp, Version=2.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=35e10195dab3c99f could not be found or is invalid. Regards Tracy Barlow ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
[Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7
I have just installed Mono 1.1.9. using the Binary installer. I am now unable to open files in existing MonoDevelop projects. I get the following Error messages when I run MonoDevelop from a console. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ monodevelop node `monohb' is not defined on the documentation map 2005-09-11 23:14:55,445 [-1210345792] INFO MonoDevelop.Services.ILoggingService [(null)] - Reading /home/tracy/.config/MonoDevelop/CodeCompletionData/mscorlib_1.0.5000.0_b77a5c561934e089.pidb 2005-09-11 23:14:55,639 [-1210345792] INFO MonoDevelop.Services.ILoggingService [(null)] - WARNING Could not find stock Icons.16x16.FindPrevIcon 2005-09-11 23:14:55,643 [-1210345792] INFO MonoDevelop.Services.ILoggingService [(null)] - WARNING Could not find stock gtk-stop 2005-09-11 23:14:55,681 [-1210345792] INFO MonoDevelop.Services.ILoggingService [(null)] - Creating DefaultWorkbench 2005-09-11 23:15:54,952 [-1210345792] INFO MonoDevelop.Services.ILoggingService [(null)] - WARNING Could not find stock gtk-open 2005-09-11 23:15:55,326 [-1243980880] INFO MonoDevelop.Services.ILoggingService [(null)] - Reading /home/tracy/MonoDevelop/CdClient/CdClient.pidb 2005-09-11 23:15:55,344 [-1243980880] INFO MonoDevelop.Services.ILoggingService [(null)] - Reading /home/tracy/.config/MonoDevelop/CodeCompletionData/gtk-sharp_2.0.0.0_35e10195dab3c99f.pidb 2005-09-11 23:15:55,379 [-1243980880] INFO MonoDevelop.Services.ILoggingService [(null)] - Reading /home/tracy/.config/MonoDevelop/CodeCompletionData/glib-sharp_2.0.0.0_35e10195dab3c99f.pidb 2005-09-11 23:15:55,384 [-1243980880] INFO MonoDevelop.Services.ILoggingService [(null)] - Reading /home/tracy/.config/MonoDevelop/CodeCompletionData/System_1.0.5000.0_b77a5c561934e089.pidb 2005-09-11 23:15:55,478 [-1243980880] INFO MonoDevelop.Services.ILoggingService [(null)] - Reading /home/tracy/.config/MonoDevelop/CodeCompletionData/System.Xml_1.0.5000.0_b77a5c561934e089.pidb 2005-09-11 23:15:55,496 [-1243980880] INFO MonoDevelop.Services.ILoggingService [(null)] - Reading /home/tracy/.config/MonoDevelop/CodeCompletionData/gdk-sharp_2.0.0.0_35e10195dab3c99f.pidb 2005-09-11 23:15:55,509 [-1243980880] INFO MonoDevelop.Services.ILoggingService [(null)] - Reading /home/tracy/.config/MonoDevelop/CodeCompletionData/pango-sharp_2.0.0.0_35e10195dab3c99f.pidb 2005-09-11 23:15:55,517 [-1243980880] INFO MonoDevelop.Services.ILoggingService [(null)] - Reading /home/tracy/.config/MonoDevelop/CodeCompletionData/atk-sharp_2.0.0.0_35e10195dab3c99f.pidb 2005-09-11 23:15:55,526 [-1243980880] INFO MonoDevelop.Services.ILoggingService [(null)] - Reading /home/tracy/.config/MonoDevelop/CodeCompletionData/glade-sharp_2.0.0.0_35e10195dab3c99f.pidb 2005-09-11 23:15:55,532 [-1243980880] INFO MonoDevelop.Services.ILoggingService [(null)] - Reading /home/tracy/.config/MonoDevelop/CodeCompletionData/gnome-sharp_2.0.0.0_35e10195dab3c99f.pidb 2005-09-11 23:15:55,551 [-1243980880] INFO MonoDevelop.Services.ILoggingService [(null)] - Reading /home/tracy/.config/MonoDevelop/CodeCompletionData/art-sharp_2.0.0.0_35e10195dab3c99f.pidb 2005-09-11 23:15:55,558 [-1243980880] INFO MonoDevelop.Services.ILoggingService [(null)] - Reading /home/tracy/.config/MonoDevelop/CodeCompletionData/gconf-sharp_2.0.0.0_35e10195dab3c99f.pidb 2005-09-11 23:15:55,726 [-1210345792] INFO MonoDevelop.Services.ILoggingService [(null)] - WARNING Could not find stock gtk-open 2005-09-11 23:15:55,729 [-1210345792] INFO MonoDevelop.Services.ILoggingService [(null)] - WARNING Could not find stock gtk-open 2005-09-11 23:15:55,732 [-1210345792] INFO MonoDevelop.Services.ILoggingService [(null)] - WARNING Could not find stock gtk-open 2005-09-11 23:15:55,734 [-1210345792] INFO MonoDevelop.Services.ILoggingService [(null)] - WARNING Could not find stock gtk-open 2005-09-11 23:15:55,737 [-1210345792] INFO MonoDevelop.Services.ILoggingService [(null)] - WARNING Could not find stock gtk-open 2005-09-11 23:15:55,739 [-1210345792] INFO MonoDevelop.Services.ILoggingService [(null)] - WARNING Could not find stock gtk-open 2005-09-11 23:15:55,741 [-1210345792] INFO MonoDevelop.Services.ILoggingService [(null)] - WARNING Could not find stock gtk-open (MonoDevelop:9500): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_boxed_type_register_static: assertion `g_type_from_name (name) == 0' failed (MonoDevelop:9500): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_boxed_type_register_static: assertion `g_type_from_name (name) == 0' failed (MonoDevelop:9500): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_boxed_type_register_static: assertion `g_type_from_name (name) == 0' failed (MonoDevelop:9500): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_boxed_type_register_static: assertion `g_type_from_name (name) == 0' failed (MonoDevelop:9500): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_boxed_type_register_static: assertion `g_type_from_name (name) == 0' failed (MonoDevelop:9500): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_boxed_type_register_static: assertion `g_type_from_name (name) == 0' failed (MonoDevelop:9500): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_boxed_type_register_static:
[Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7
What I am getting now is the following error when I try to run any Glade based GUI app glade-sharp, Version=2.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=35e10195dab3c99f could not be found or is invalid. Regards Tracy Barlow Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 23:31:27 +1000 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7 To: mono-list@lists.ximian.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain I have just installed Mono 1.1.9. using the Binary installer. I am now unable to open files in existing MonoDevelop projects. I get the following Error messages when I run MonoDevelop from a console. ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
[Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7
It's OK, I've worked out what is going on. As I uninstalled the previous version of Mono 1.1.8-2, I removed the gtk, gdk, glade, pango etc Version 2.00 files, Mono 1.1.9 has versions 1.0 and versions 2.4. So my applications which use Version 2.00 need to be recompiled with Version 2.4 of these objects. Reagrds Tracy Barlow Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 08:28:01 +1000 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7 To: mono-list@lists.ximian.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain What I am getting now is the following error when I try to run any Glade based GUI app glade-sharp, Version=2.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=35e10195dab3c99f could not be found or is invalid. Regards Tracy Barlow pango-sharp, Version=2.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=35e10195dab3c99f could not be found or is invalid. glade-sharp, Version=2.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=35e10195dab3c99f could not be found or is invalid. glib-sharp, Version=2.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=35e10195dab3c99f could not be found or is invalid. gdk-sharp, Version=2.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=35e10195dab3c99f could not be found or is invalid. gtk-sharp, Version=2.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=35e10195dab3c99f could not be found or is invalid. Regards Tracy Barlow ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
[Mono-list] Monodevelop 0.7-1pre2 and mono1.1.8.1-0pre1 in debian sid
Hi, I have an error in begin to Monodevelop # monodevelop (MonoDevelop:9788): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed. 2005-06-26 00:52:17,913 [-1210297696] INFO MonoDevelop.Services.ILoggingService [(null)] - Reading /root/.config/MonoDevelop/CodeCompletionData/mscorlib_1.0.5000.0_b77a5c561934e089.pidb 2005-06-26 00:52:18,089 [-1210297696] INFO MonoDevelop.Services.ILoggingService [(null)] - WARNING Could not find stock Icons.16x16.FindPrevIcon 2005-06-26 00:52:18,151 [-1210297696] INFO MonoDevelop.Services.ILoggingService [(null)] - WARNING Could not find stock gtk-stop 2005-06-26 00:52:18,220 [-1210297696] INFO MonoDevelop.Services.ILoggingService [(null)] - Creating DefaultWorkbench Socket already in use Here is beginin. An shut application. Unhandled Exception: System.ObjectDisposedException: The object was used after being disposed. in 0x00054 System.Threading.WaitHandle:CheckDisposed () in (wrapper remoting-invoke-with-check) System.Threading.WaitHandle:CheckDisposed () in 0x00010 System.Threading.ManualResetEvent:Reset () in (wrapper remoting-invoke-with-check) System.Threading.ManualResetEvent:Reset () in 0x0007a System.Threading.Timer+Runner:Start () in (wrapper delegate-invoke) System.MulticastDelegate:invoke_void () I don't understand, I have not editor and gtksouceview. Excuse, with my english is very bad. ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7
Hola! Back onto point a bit here. I have noticed a couple recurring trends. #1) People who use the installer, and not the rpms, and then install gtk# 1.9.5 into a *different* prefix than the installer, and then install MD seem to have the most issues. To me, and Daniel can correct me if I am wrong, but it seems that people using the installer don't seem to understand that if you don't install mono stuff into the same prefix as mono, you need to mung things like MONO_GAC_PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH, etc. Maybe this is something that should be put into some sort of HOWTO for the installer. You are correct. The original purpose of the installer was more of a runtime than using it for development purposes. All the MONO_GAC_PATH, LD_LIBRARY_PATH magic happens in intallpath/bin/mono, which is a shell script that sets the environment before executing Mono. If people are compiling stuff against what is included, we need to make it more explicit, add that to the installer Mini-FAQ in the website, maybe include it as a README. The installer, however, includes GTK# support, I believe he needs to properly setup PKG_CONFIG_PATH to also point to installdir/lib/pkgconfig This week I plan to set aside some time and have a new build that includes MonoDevelop support. I would recommend for people who are having issues installing MonoDevelop look into how their mono prefix and gtk# prefixes are setup, as that seems to be the #1 cause of all of these problems. Mixing RPMS w/ tarballs w/ installers is not something that should be done lightly and indiscriminately. I agree. I think all this comes from people trying all different installation methods in their frustration to get things set up :) A lot of people come from a Windows background, so this imposes much more work on us packagers to make sure everything just works. This is even more difficult than, say, Java runtime, because of the dependencies all over the place (gtk, gtkhtml, gecko, etc.). But we will get there, it just comes from using a state-of-the-art platform like Mono ;) Un saludo Daniel ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7
Todd Berman wrote: Back onto point a bit here. I have noticed a couple recurring trends. #1) People who use the installer, and not the rpms, and then install gtk# 1.9.5 into a *different* prefix than the installer, and then install MD seem to have the most issues. To me, and Daniel can correct me if I am wrong, but it seems that people using the installer don't seem to understand that if you don't install mono stuff into the same prefix as mono, you need to mung things like MONO_GAC_PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH, etc. Maybe this is something that should be put into some sort of HOWTO for the installer. #2) People assume that MD not loading with the DllNotFoundException are related to MD. That is just not the case. Any application that actually attempting to use those libraries would die the same way. MonoDevelop just happens to be a non-toy application, so it exposes the issues in your setup right away. I would recommend for people who are having issues installing MonoDevelop look into how their mono prefix and gtk# prefixes are setup, as that seems to be the #1 cause of all of these problems. Mixing RPMS w/ tarballs w/ installers is not something that should be done lightly and indiscriminately. --Todd Todd, I'm sure you're correct - but the question is how can a non-expert in these things, of reasonable intelligence, discover what needs to be done to put things right? At the moment, all I know is that I can't get monodevelop to run under mono 1.1.7. I don't know why and I don't know how to fix it. I've posted all the information I know about. If I need to post some more, I'd be more than happy to do so - or to repost what I've already posted. Usual caveats about my own shortcomings apply. Peter ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7
Not to add flame to fire, what I did was used dag rpm repositories to do apt-get (http://dag.wieers.com/home-made/apt), which installed mono develop .5 in 1 step. yum would also work I assume. I have no idea how to install red carpet on fedora. Since I could not figure out how to make .7, I started using X-develop, it support mono and glade, and I wrote a few simple programs. If the ide is stable, it easier to write. I also develop in vi sometimes, just to learn. Mono is great. Not sure if mono-develop is or will be great, so don't spend to much time on it is my advice. .V (ps still not sure about how to deploy a run time of mono cross platform) ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
RE: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7
I have SuSE 9.3 Pro. I tried the above, and I've tried installing from source. No joy. I just get a message (from rug) saying that /usr/bin/monodevelop doesn't exist (which is true). If I try to install from source I get the gtksourceview message that others have mentioned, when I do ./configure. I'm running monodevelop successfully on SuSe 9.3. 1. Forget all this rug stuff, it doesn't work; I fiddled with it for a long time. 2. Remove ALL SuSe's mono packages, this requires removing Beagle and Tomboy but you can put them in again later. 3. Download the packages from http://www.mono-project.com/Downloads into a directory 4. Do a rpm -Uvh * in that directory 5. On two of five boxes I needed to run /sbin/ldconfig before anything would work. 6. Monodevelop now runs! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7
Adam Tauno Williams wrote: I'm running monodevelop successfully on SuSe 9.3. 1. Forget all this rug stuff, it doesn't work; I fiddled with it for a long time. 2. Remove ALL SuSe's mono packages, this requires removing Beagle and Tomboy but you can put them in again later. 3. Download the packages from http://www.mono-project.com/Downloads into a directory 4. Do a rpm -Uvh * in that directory 5. On two of five boxes I needed to run /sbin/ldconfig before anything would work. 6. Monodevelop now runs! Adam, Thanks for that. I'm not sure what it says about Novell if what you say is true. Rug is their recommended method after all, so if it doesn't work, especially on their own distribution (SuSE), they really ought to be looking at it. Maybe they are. The only problem I have with your suggestion is that I now have absolutely no idea what I have to remove or what to install. a) What should I uninstall? Do I have to use rug to do it, as I used rug to install at least some of the packages in the first place? Or should I use apt, or YaST, since I guess some of the packages were in the original 9.3 upgrade? b) Following the link you gave to the 9.3 packages leads me to 30 separate packages to install, or 5 zip files containing these 30 packages. Once I've got all these packages, which ones am I supposed to install and in what order? I suppose that I can at least take some consolation from the fact that I don't appear to be the only one having trouble. It does make you compare the installation experience with the equivalent for VS, doesn't it. VS does take a long time to install, and I have had the occasional problem with it, but nothing like this. And I've never had any trouble installing the .NET framework. It won't put me off from getting to grips with mono - but it may mean that I just use it as a runtime environment and not for development. I'd find that very sad. I've been trying to get a full mono 1.1.x installation with monodevelop now almost since the day 1.1 was released. :( Although I should perhaps note that the problem has always been with monodevelop. mono itself has always installed just fine and done exactly what it's supposed to do. However, I regard a decent IDE as very important. I know this isn't a view shared by everyone, but I much prefer to use a good IDE over a text editor, however sophisticated. Things like code completion and integrated debugging are important to me - perhaps because I have such a poor memory and write such buggy code :) Hopefully this doesn't sound overcritical. Mono is important to me and I want it to succeed. I recognise that there may be issues with my particular installation even though it is a brand new SuSE 9.3 install (via upgrade from 9.2), so there shouldn't be that many problems, should there? I also recognise that although I might be a tidy developer, I'm not a good or a knowledgeable sysadmin. So there may be wetware problems. However, I am happy to learn and to follow advice where I can. Unfortunately this hasn't got me a good install of monodevelop with mono 1.1.x yet. Cheers Peter ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7
I'm running monodevelop successfully on SuSe 9.3. 1. Forget all this rug stuff, it doesn't work; I fiddled with it for a long time. 2. Remove ALL SuSe's mono packages, this requires removing Beagle and Tomboy but you can put them in again later. 3. Download the packages from http://www.mono-project.com/Downloads into a directory 4. Do a rpm -Uvh * in that directory 5. On two of five boxes I needed to run /sbin/ldconfig before anything would work. 6. Monodevelop now runs! Thanks for that. I'm not sure what it says about Novell if what you say is true. Rug is their recommended method after all, so if it doesn't work, especially on their own distribution (SuSE), they really ought to be looking at it. Maybe they are. 9.3 is new, as is Monodevelop 0.7; these things will sort themselves out. I've been using rug/red-carpet since Ximian released it, it is an excellent product and solution. a) What should I uninstall? Do I have to use rug to do it, as I used rug to install at least some of the packages in the first place? Or should I use apt, or YaST, since I guess some of the packages were in the original 9.3 upgrade? rpm -qa | grep mono Remove all those, and the ones that depend on them. b) Following the link you gave to the 9.3 packages leads me to 30 separate packages to install, or 5 zip files containing these 30 packages. Once I've got all these packages, which ones am I supposed to install and in what order? You probably want all of them although you may not need all the gapi ones; and it you don't do ASP/web stuff you don't need mon_mono/xsp. But I'd guess you want all the other ones. I suppose that I can at least take some consolation from the fact that I don't appear to be the only one having trouble. It does make you compare the installation experience with the equivalent for VS, doesn't it. VS wasn't released last week for a Windows version only about a month old. :) VS does take a long time to install, and I have had the occasional problem with it, but nothing like this. And I've never had any trouble installing the .NET framework. It won't put me off from getting to grips with mono - but it may mean that I just use it as a runtime environment and not for development. I'd find that very sad. Ok, I've never used VS. You'd have to pay me a great deal of money to put up with using a M$ product for my day-to-day work. Time is saves it one area it consumes may fold more futzing with myriad 'mystery' problems with useless error messages. I've been trying to get a full mono 1.1.x installation with monodevelop now almost since the day 1.1 was released. :( Although I should perhaps note that the problem has always been with monodevelop. mono itself has always installed just fine and done exactly what it's supposed to do. However, I regard a decent IDE as very important. Same, monodevelop is the bugger of the mix. I know this isn't a view shared by everyone, but I much prefer to use a good IDE over a text editor, however sophisticated. Same, an monodevelop is quite nice; certainly worth the wrestling match to get it to run. Hopefully this doesn't sound overcritical. Mono is important to me and I want it to succeed. I recognise that there may be issues with my particular installation even though it is a brand new SuSE 9.3 install (via upgrade from 9.2), so there shouldn't be that many problems, should there? I never upgrade. Make /home a separate partition and just reinstall the new distribution. I belong to a largish LUG and just about everyone has given up on upgrading; for a workstation the convenience of upgrading is rarely worth the potential flakiness (especially if you've used third party packages or ever once done an rpm --force). signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7
Adam Tauno Williams wrote: 9.3 is new, as is Monodevelop 0.7; these things will sort themselves out. I've been using rug/red-carpet since Ximian released it, it is an excellent product and solution. Yes. I appreciate that and I'm certainly prepared to cut them a bit of slack. a) What should I uninstall? Do I have to use rug to do it, as I used rug to install at least some of the packages in the first place? Or should I use apt, or YaST, since I guess some of the packages were in the original 9.3 upgrade? rpm -qa | grep mono Remove all those, and the ones that depend on them. How do I know what all the dependencies are? You probably want all of them although you may not need all the gapi ones; and it you don't do ASP/web stuff you don't need mon_mono/xsp. That's all of them then, as I definitely want ASP.NET. What order should they be installed in, do you know? VS wasn't released last week for a Windows version only about a month old. :) No, that's right. As I said, I'm prepared to cut them a bit of slack. It is worth noting, though, that monodevelop's Windows predecessor installs very easily. Ok, I've never used VS. You'd have to pay me a great deal of money to put up with using a M$ product for my day-to-day work. Time is saves it one area it consumes may fold more futzing with myriad 'mystery' problems with useless error messages. I'd like to say that I agree: but actually I've never had any problems with VS - although it does take a bit of learning. And since I work in a University, my employers pay next to nothing for it, and I get a legal copy free for home use. My interest in this is that I'm coming up to starting an MSc dissertation, which if all goes well will try to ascertain whether it can be said that .NET is now truly cross-platform. As part of the dissertation I want to write a demonstration ASP.NET application that will run under Windows/IIS and under Linux/Apache. If I'm really lucky, it will also have business logic and data access components running remotely (i.e. not on the web server - or at least, for demonstration purposes, not in the presentation layer (code behind page) process on the web server). It's going to be inevitable that I have to compare development on Windows and Linux. I really would like to be able to say that there is an easy transition path for Windows developers to Linux (or at least present evidence that such a path is being prepared). My ultimate goal is to try to get my employers to see that they would be better of with Linux, but I have to be realistic and say that there's no chance of that in the near future. However, the things I discover might help to sway the argument if the debate ever actually takes place. They might also get me a masters degree :) Same, monodevelop is the bugger of the mix. Yes. It seems that way. I know this isn't a view shared by everyone, but I much prefer to use a good IDE over a text editor, however sophisticated. Same, an monodevelop is quite nice; certainly worth the wrestling match to get it to run. I hope I'll be able to agree with you one day - if I can just get it to run! :) I never upgrade. Make /home a separate partition and just reinstall the new distribution. I belong to a largish LUG and just about everyone has given up on upgrading; for a workstation the convenience of upgrading is rarely worth the potential flakiness (especially if you've used third party packages or ever once done an rpm --force). Too late :( Thanks for your help and interest, Adam Cheers Peter ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
RE: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7
I'm just going to live with the fact that monodevelop isn't going to run on My SuSE 9.2 Pro now that I've upgraded to Mono 1.1.7. Everything else seems to be working, so I'll consider myself fortunate that this is the only thing I've lost. Whoever posted the instructions for upgrading to Mono 1.1.7 made it sound as simple as running a couple red carpet commands from the command line. It's not as easy as it was made to sound. I'm trying to develop an application using Npgsql and ASP.NET on Apache/Linux, and I don't have time to figure out why monodevelop isn't working right now. I'm having enough trouble figuring out how to set up Npgsql using three different classes for the database communications, the connections strings, and the business logic, so that everything is abstracted and my connection strings don't show up every time there is an error on one of my ASP.NET pages. Carl Olsen http://www.carl-olsen.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of peter Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 11:58 AM To: mono-list@lists.ximian.com Subject: Re: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7 Adam Tauno Williams wrote: 9.3 is new, as is Monodevelop 0.7; these things will sort themselves out. I've been using rug/red-carpet since Ximian released it, it is an excellent product and solution. Yes. I appreciate that and I'm certainly prepared to cut them a bit of slack. a) What should I uninstall? Do I have to use rug to do it, as I used rug to install at least some of the packages in the first place? Or should I use apt, or YaST, since I guess some of the packages were in the original 9.3 upgrade? rpm -qa | grep mono Remove all those, and the ones that depend on them. How do I know what all the dependencies are? You probably want all of them although you may not need all the gapi ones; and it you don't do ASP/web stuff you don't need mon_mono/xsp. That's all of them then, as I definitely want ASP.NET. What order should they be installed in, do you know? VS wasn't released last week for a Windows version only about a month old. :) No, that's right. As I said, I'm prepared to cut them a bit of slack. It is worth noting, though, that monodevelop's Windows predecessor installs very easily. Ok, I've never used VS. You'd have to pay me a great deal of money to put up with using a M$ product for my day-to-day work. Time is saves it one area it consumes may fold more futzing with myriad 'mystery' problems with useless error messages. I'd like to say that I agree: but actually I've never had any problems with VS - although it does take a bit of learning. And since I work in a University, my employers pay next to nothing for it, and I get a legal copy free for home use. My interest in this is that I'm coming up to starting an MSc dissertation, which if all goes well will try to ascertain whether it can be said that .NET is now truly cross-platform. As part of the dissertation I want to write a demonstration ASP.NET application that will run under Windows/IIS and under Linux/Apache. If I'm really lucky, it will also have business logic and data access components running remotely (i.e. not on the web server - or at least, for demonstration purposes, not in the presentation layer (code behind page) process on the web server). It's going to be inevitable that I have to compare development on Windows and Linux. I really would like to be able to say that there is an easy transition path for Windows developers to Linux (or at least present evidence that such a path is being prepared). My ultimate goal is to try to get my employers to see that they would be better of with Linux, but I have to be realistic and say that there's no chance of that in the near future. However, the things I discover might help to sway the argument if the debate ever actually takes place. They might also get me a masters degree :) Same, monodevelop is the bugger of the mix. Yes. It seems that way. I know this isn't a view shared by everyone, but I much prefer to use a good IDE over a text editor, however sophisticated. Same, an monodevelop is quite nice; certainly worth the wrestling match to get it to run. I hope I'll be able to agree with you one day - if I can just get it to run! :) I never upgrade. Make /home a separate partition and just reinstall the new distribution. I belong to a largish LUG and just about everyone has given up on upgrading; for a workstation the convenience of upgrading is rarely worth the potential flakiness (especially if you've used third party packages or ever once done an rpm --force). Too late :( Thanks for your help and interest, Adam Cheers Peter ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7
Carl Olsen wrote: I'm just going to live with the fact that monodevelop isn't going to run on My SuSE 9.2 Pro now that I've upgraded to Mono 1.1.7. Everything else seems to be working, so I'll consider myself fortunate that this is the only thing I've lost. Whoever posted the instructions for upgrading to Mono 1.1.7 made it sound as simple as running a couple red carpet commands from the command line. It's not as easy as it was made to sound. I'm trying to develop an application using Npgsql and ASP.NET on Apache/Linux, and I don't have time to figure out why monodevelop isn't working right now. I'm having enough trouble figuring out how to set up Npgsql using three different classes for the database communications, the connections strings, and the business logic, so that everything is abstracted and my connection strings don't show up every time there is an error on one of my ASP.NET pages. Carl Olsen http://www.carl-olsen.com/ I can see your problem, Carl. It's tempting, isn't it, to say that it shouldn't be this way, but I think Adam made a good point about the maturity of monodevelop. Perhaps we shouldn't expect too much too soon. But I do hope that Novell (who I don't think are directly responsible for monodevelop, by the way) are listening and put some serious work into helping the monodevelop team get things sorted out. Maybe they already are. As to your other problem, I use separate data access objects (remote objects as it happens) that are called from the presentation layer. The developer can therefore ensure that something sensible is returned from the call and decide what to do about it - like putting up an error page, or whatever. It's not too hard, so if you're interested in knowing more please feel free to contact me off-list and I'll give you what help I can. Cheers Peter ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
RE: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7
I bought SuSE 9.1 Pro for around $90, and then, shortly thereafter, paid another $60 to upgrade to SuSE 9.2 Pro, just to get Mono 1.0 instead of Mono 0.3 (which was working perfectly until I tried to upgrade to Mono 1.1.x). I see SuSE 9.3 now has Mono 1.1.x, but I've already paid them what I would have paid for Windows XP that has been out for several years now and the upgrades (service packs) are free. Yes, it's tempting to try to upgrade for free. Don't get me wrong, I'm very happy with the upgrade without monodevelop. I'm just cautioning people to explain the consequences of trying to upgrade, in case someone is particularly relying on monodevelop to keep functioning. In my case, I can get along fine without it until I'm ready to pay Novell for another upgrade to SuSE 9.2 Pro. I have three Window XP machines and three Windows 2003 Server machines, so it's not like I bought SuSE instead of Windows. I'm learning a lot more about C# and .NET by using Linux than I would by strictly using Windows. This is not a complaint about Mono. I'm a little upset with Novell for charging so much for SuSE. They should offer free upgrades on minor versions. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of peter Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 3:16 PM To: mono-list@lists.ximian.com Subject: Re: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7 Carl Olsen wrote: I'm just going to live with the fact that monodevelop isn't going to run on My SuSE 9.2 Pro now that I've upgraded to Mono 1.1.7. Everything else seems to be working, so I'll consider myself fortunate that this is the only thing I've lost. Whoever posted the instructions for upgrading to Mono 1.1.7 made it sound as simple as running a couple red carpet commands from the command line. It's not as easy as it was made to sound. I'm trying to develop an application using Npgsql and ASP.NET on Apache/Linux, and I don't have time to figure out why monodevelop isn't working right now. I'm having enough trouble figuring out how to set up Npgsql using three different classes for the database communications, the connections strings, and the business logic, so that everything is abstracted and my connection strings don't show up every time there is an error on one of my ASP.NET pages. Carl Olsen http://www.carl-olsen.com/ I can see your problem, Carl. It's tempting, isn't it, to say that it shouldn't be this way, but I think Adam made a good point about the maturity of monodevelop. Perhaps we shouldn't expect too much too soon. But I do hope that Novell (who I don't think are directly responsible for monodevelop, by the way) are listening and put some serious work into helping the monodevelop team get things sorted out. Maybe they already are. As to your other problem, I use separate data access objects (remote objects as it happens) that are called from the presentation layer. The developer can therefore ensure that something sensible is returned from the call and decide what to do about it - like putting up an error page, or whatever. It's not too hard, so if you're interested in knowing more please feel free to contact me off-list and I'll give you what help I can. Cheers Peter ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
RE: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7
On Sun, 2005-05-22 at 14:02 -0500, Carl Olsen wrote: I'm just going to live with the fact that monodevelop isn't going to run on My SuSE 9.2 Pro now that I've upgraded to Mono 1.1.7. Everything else seems to be working, so I'll consider myself fortunate that this is the only thing I've lost. Whoever posted the instructions for upgrading to Mono 1.1.7 made it sound as simple as running a couple red carpet commands from the command line. It's not as easy as it was made to sound. I am going to try to package Gtk# 2 (which is the only piece missing for you to get 0.7, which works really well) on SUSE 9.2. Hopefully that would make things easier for you. You could try building gtk# and everything up from there from source. I don't know why MonoDevelop breaks with 1.1.7. MonoDevelop has often been an application that is tightly integrated to a specific version of Mono. Your best bet to get things working is 0.7, with the newest MD and Mono. -- Ben ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
RE: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7
That sounds great. This has only been a minor inconvenience for me. Mono is great stuff and monodevelop is a great tool. I was surprised to see it break, but not overly surprised. I realize this stuff is still under heavy development. I started running Mono on Red Hat 8 and 9, but it was just too much trouble to keep up. SuSE has made it a lot easier, but I can't believe they want another $60 every time they do a minor version upgrade. How are they going to compete with Windows XP by doing that? -Original Message- From: Ben Maurer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 3:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'peter'; mono-list@lists.ximian.com Subject: RE: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7 On Sun, 2005-05-22 at 14:02 -0500, Carl Olsen wrote: I'm just going to live with the fact that monodevelop isn't going to run on My SuSE 9.2 Pro now that I've upgraded to Mono 1.1.7. Everything else seems to be working, so I'll consider myself fortunate that this is the only thing I've lost. Whoever posted the instructions for upgrading to Mono 1.1.7 made it sound as simple as running a couple red carpet commands from the command line. It's not as easy as it was made to sound. I am going to try to package Gtk# 2 (which is the only piece missing for you to get 0.7, which works really well) on SUSE 9.2. Hopefully that would make things easier for you. You could try building gtk# and everything up from there from source. I don't know why MonoDevelop breaks with 1.1.7. MonoDevelop has often been an application that is tightly integrated to a specific version of Mono. Your best bet to get things working is 0.7, with the newest MD and Mono. -- Ben ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7
Ben Maurer wrote: I don't know why MonoDevelop breaks with 1.1.7. MonoDevelop has often been an application that is tightly integrated to a specific version of Mono. Your best bet to get things working is 0.7, with the newest MD and Mono. -- Ben I don't understand that, Ben. I thought mono 1.1.7 and monodevelop 0.7 were the latest versions - and they don't work for me, nor, if I understand some of the other posts there've been recently, do they work for some other people as well. Usual caveats of course about the possibilities of there being some problem on my system that only monodevelop finds, or some problem with my own abilities. Cheers Peter ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
RE: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7
On Sun, 2005-05-22 at 15:59 -0500, Carl Olsen wrote: That sounds great. This has only been a minor inconvenience for me. Mono is great stuff and monodevelop is a great tool. I was surprised to see it break, but not overly surprised. I realize this stuff is still under heavy development. I started running Mono on Red Hat 8 and 9, but it was just too much trouble to keep up. SuSE has made it a lot easier, but I can't believe they want another $60 every time they do a minor version upgrade. How are they going to compete with Windows XP by doing that? Btw, you can do net install for free: ftp://suse.cs.utah.edu/pub/suse.com/suse/i386/9.3/ There are some instructions: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/topic-42582.html -- Ben ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7
Carl Olsen wrote: That sounds great. This has only been a minor inconvenience for me. Mono is great stuff and monodevelop is a great tool. I was surprised to see it break, but not overly surprised. I realize this stuff is still under heavy development. I started running Mono on Red Hat 8 and 9, but it was just too much trouble to keep up. SuSE has made it a lot easier, but I can't believe they want another $60 every time they do a minor version upgrade. How are they going to compete with Windows XP by doing that? According to http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/howtobuy/pricingretail.mspx the upgrade price for XP is $199, which does not, of course include upgrades to Office, Visual Studio, etc etc. You pay Novell $68 and you get everything upgraded. So you get 2 and a bit SuSE upgrades for the price of one Windows upgrade, and you get tonnes more stuff upgraded. You can also wait a while and upgrade via ftp for free, as well, of course. And lastly, you don't have to do an upgrade if you don't want to. You only have to upgrade if you want the new features - in which case it's not just a minor version upgrade. Just my 2c worth (Welsh ceiniogau) Cheers Peter ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
RE: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7
It says the full version is not yet available. The last post in the forum recommends buying it. What exactly is a mini? -Original Message- From: Ben Maurer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 4:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'peter'; mono-list@lists.ximian.com Subject: RE: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7 Btw, you can do net install for free: ftp://suse.cs.utah.edu/pub/suse.com/suse/i386/9.3/ There are some instructions: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/topic-42582.html -- Ben ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
RE: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7
On Sun, 2005-05-22 at 16:31 -0500, Carl Olsen wrote: It says the full version is not yet available. The last post in the forum recommends buying it. What exactly is a mini? I've no idea. I can try asking around here. -- Ben ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
RE: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7
I didn't know you could upgrade for free. That helps! Thank you! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of peter Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 4:15 PM To: mono-list@lists.ximian.com Subject: Re: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7 Carl Olsen wrote: That sounds great. This has only been a minor inconvenience for me. Mono is great stuff and monodevelop is a great tool. I was surprised to see it break, but not overly surprised. I realize this stuff is still under heavy development. I started running Mono on Red Hat 8 and 9, but it was just too much trouble to keep up. SuSE has made it a lot easier, but I can't believe they want another $60 every time they do a minor version upgrade. How are they going to compete with Windows XP by doing that? According to http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/howtobuy/pricingretail.mspx the upgrade price for XP is $199, which does not, of course include upgrades to Office, Visual Studio, etc etc. You pay Novell $68 and you get everything upgraded. So you get 2 and a bit SuSE upgrades for the price of one Windows upgrade, and you get tonnes more stuff upgraded. You can also wait a while and upgrade via ftp for free, as well, of course. And lastly, you don't have to do an upgrade if you don't want to. You only have to upgrade if you want the new features - in which case it's not just a minor version upgrade. Just my 2c worth (Welsh ceiniogau) Cheers Peter ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
RE: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7
I'm not sure I'd install the mini, even if I knew what it was. I can wait for the full release. The forum you recommended said the full version of 9.3 Pro had not been released yet, so I'll watch for it. I can certainly wait a few months to get monodevelop back up and running again. I only had 9.1 for a few months, and then 9.2 for a few months, and they already have a retail upgrade out for 9.3. Of course, if I had known I could upgrade for free, I wouldn't have complained about it. For what I'm doing, 9.2 and Mono 1.1.7 are working great, so far. I appreciate the help and I'll be watching that forum. Carl -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Maurer Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 4:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: mono-list@lists.ximian.com; 'peter' Subject: RE: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7 On Sun, 2005-05-22 at 16:31 -0500, Carl Olsen wrote: It says the full version is not yet available. The last post in the forum recommends buying it. What exactly is a mini? I've no idea. I can try asking around here. -- Ben ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
RE: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7
Microsoft does not release an upgrade every few months. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of peter Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 4:15 PM To: mono-list@lists.ximian.com Subject: Re: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7 Carl Olsen wrote: That sounds great. This has only been a minor inconvenience for me. Mono is great stuff and monodevelop is a great tool. I was surprised to see it break, but not overly surprised. I realize this stuff is still under heavy development. I started running Mono on Red Hat 8 and 9, but it was just too much trouble to keep up. SuSE has made it a lot easier, but I can't believe they want another $60 every time they do a minor version upgrade. How are they going to compete with Windows XP by doing that? According to http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/howtobuy/pricingretail.mspx the upgrade price for XP is $199, which does not, of course include upgrades to Office, Visual Studio, etc etc. You pay Novell $68 and you get everything upgraded. So you get 2 and a bit SuSE upgrades for the price of one Windows upgrade, and you get tonnes more stuff upgraded. You can also wait a while and upgrade via ftp for free, as well, of course. And lastly, you don't have to do an upgrade if you don't want to. You only have to upgrade if you want the new features - in which case it's not just a minor version upgrade. Just my 2c worth (Welsh ceiniogau) Cheers Peter ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7
Carl Olsen wrote: Microsoft does not release an upgrade every few months. Well, I don't want to start a flame war here, Carl :), but as I pointed out: * You don't have to upgrade SuSE every time a new version appears * You get 2 and a bit SuSE upgrades for the price of one MS upgrade - so that should keep you going for a bit * You get more software upgrades in a SuSE upgrade. If we just look at the office suite. MS Office costs something like $200 dollars, and from what I see on http://www.nextag.com/2003-microsoft-office-upgrade/search-html the upgrades cost about the same. So one purchase of XP plus Office comes to something like $400 (conservatively) and we haven't even started talking about the price of VS yet! Even the academic price for that is in the region of $150, I think, if my memory and currency conversion head is working. So you'd still be in pocket after one SuSE purchase and 5 upgrades. That should see you through from one MS upgrade to the next. As I've posted recently, I do think there are problems and SuSE is not perfect - but I don't think it can be attacked on price. On some other things, may be ;) but not on price. Cheers Peter ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
[Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7
I've been following the discussion on MonoDevelop, and strangely I don't seem to have the problems discussed here. I use Mandrake Linux, and install from the SuSE RPMs (I can't find a reliable Mandrake (sorry Mandriva) set of RPMS), and they install well enough - occassionally I have to use --force because of dependency clashes - and everything works fine. The only problems I've encountered are with MonoDoc which ceased to work after I upgraded to 2005 (10.2), and it's probable that a reinstall will fix the problem, as it's likely some libraries were zapped during the upgrade. I think MonoDevelop is a really good product, and that it will only get better. At the moment it's not a patch on VS.NET, as I can't do ASP.NET development with it - and I would love to have available the sort of compile and run environment that is available with VS.NET and IIS, but with the Glade editor, I can do cross platform applications using GTK# (I have the Glade GTK# extension stalled on VS.NET on a MS Windows machine) regards Tracy Anne Barlow ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7
On Mon, 2005-05-23 at 08:16 +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use Mandrake Linux, and install from the SuSE RPMs (I can't find a reliable Mandrake (sorry Mandriva) set of RPMS), and they install well enough - occassionally I have to use --force because of dependency clashes - and everything works fine. The only problems I've encountered are with MonoDoc which ceased to work after I upgraded to 2005 (10.2), and it's probable that a reinstall will fix the problem, as it's likely some libraries were zapped during the upgrade. Probably what happened is that the .so version of libgkthml changed (the gtkhtml team thinks that nobody uses their code other than evo and that they thus are not bound to an ABI). You probably need to use the packages for a different version of the SUSE distro with your version of gtkhtml. -- Ben ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
RE: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7
Hey, I'm happy now that I know how to get the free upgrades! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of peter Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 5:06 PM To: mono-list@lists.ximian.com Subject: Re: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7 Carl Olsen wrote: Microsoft does not release an upgrade every few months. Well, I don't want to start a flame war here, Carl :), but as I pointed out: * You don't have to upgrade SuSE every time a new version appears * You get 2 and a bit SuSE upgrades for the price of one MS upgrade - so that should keep you going for a bit * You get more software upgrades in a SuSE upgrade. If we just look at the office suite. MS Office costs something like $200 dollars, and from what I see on http://www.nextag.com/2003-microsoft-office-upgrade/search-html the upgrades cost about the same. So one purchase of XP plus Office comes to something like $400 (conservatively) and we haven't even started talking about the price of VS yet! Even the academic price for that is in the region of $150, I think, if my memory and currency conversion head is working. So you'd still be in pocket after one SuSE purchase and 5 upgrades. That should see you through from one MS upgrade to the next. As I've posted recently, I do think there are problems and SuSE is not perfect - but I don't think it can be attacked on price. On some other things, may be ;) but not on price. Cheers Peter ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
RE: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7
Back onto point a bit here. I have noticed a couple recurring trends. #1) People who use the installer, and not the rpms, and then install gtk# 1.9.5 into a *different* prefix than the installer, and then install MD seem to have the most issues. To me, and Daniel can correct me if I am wrong, but it seems that people using the installer don't seem to understand that if you don't install mono stuff into the same prefix as mono, you need to mung things like MONO_GAC_PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH, etc. Maybe this is something that should be put into some sort of HOWTO for the installer. #2) People assume that MD not loading with the DllNotFoundException are related to MD. That is just not the case. Any application that actually attempting to use those libraries would die the same way. MonoDevelop just happens to be a non-toy application, so it exposes the issues in your setup right away. I would recommend for people who are having issues installing MonoDevelop look into how their mono prefix and gtk# prefixes are setup, as that seems to be the #1 cause of all of these problems. Mixing RPMS w/ tarballs w/ installers is not something that should be done lightly and indiscriminately. --Todd ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7
Ben Maurer wrote: You can type rug ref as root, and that refreshes. Or if you like to use the gui, your instructions will work. -- Ben Hi, I have SuSE 9.3 Pro. I tried the above, and I've tried installing from source. No joy. I just get a message (from rug) saying that /usr/bin/monodevelop doesn't exist (which is true). If I try to install from source I get the gtksourceview message that others have mentioned, when I do ./configure. If I do rug channels, I get: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/bin rug channels subd? | Alias| Name --+--+--- Yes | gtk-sharp-official | Gtk# 1.0.x Yes | gtk-sharp-2-official | Gtk# 2 Yes | mono-1.1-official| Mono 1.1.x Yes | mono-tools-official | Tools for mono Is there a channel I don't know about? I did manage to get MonoDevelop 0.5 working with mono 1.0.1 under SuSE 9.2 Pro, but since I upgraded to mono 1.1.7 MonoDevelop first just crashed, so I got the new version, then just refused to install - whatever method I used. It's disappointing, because I think monodevelop is really important if mono is to become accepted as a development platform rather than just a deployment platform on Linux. Cheers Peter ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7
On Fri, 2005-05-20 at 18:23 +0100, peter wrote: Ben Maurer wrote: You can type rug ref as root, and that refreshes. Or if you like to use the gui, your instructions will work. -- Ben Hi, I have SuSE 9.3 Pro. I tried the above, and I've tried installing from source. No joy. I just get a message (from rug) saying that /usr/bin/monodevelop doesn't exist (which is true). If I try to install from source I get the gtksourceview message that others have mentioned, when I do ./configure. If I do rug channels, I get: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/bin rug channels subd? | Alias| Name --+--+--- Yes | gtk-sharp-official | Gtk# 1.0.x Yes | gtk-sharp-2-official | Gtk# 2 Yes | mono-1.1-official| Mono 1.1.x Yes | mono-tools-official | Tools for mono Is there a channel I don't know about? Once you are at that point, you have to `rug in monodevelop' and everything should work fine. -- Ben ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7
Ben Maurer wrote: Once you are at that point, you have to `rug in monodevelop' and everything should work fine. -- Ben Thanks Ben, but it still doesn't work, I'm afraid: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/bin su Password: linux:/usr/bin # rug in monodevelop Using monodevelop 0.7-1.novell from the 'Tools for mono' channel ERROR: Unresolved dependencies: Skipping monodoc-1.0.6-0.novell[Tools for mono]: incompatible arch Marking this resolution attempt as invalid. linux:/usr/bin # Any ideas? Cheers Peter ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7
On Fri, 2005-05-20 at 18:50 +0100, peter wrote: Ben Maurer wrote: Once you are at that point, you have to `rug in monodevelop' and everything should work fine. -- Ben Thanks Ben, but it still doesn't work, I'm afraid: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/bin su Password: linux:/usr/bin # rug in monodevelop Using monodevelop 0.7-1.novell from the 'Tools for mono' channel ERROR: Unresolved dependencies: Skipping monodoc-1.0.6-0.novell[Tools for mono]: incompatible arch Marking this resolution attempt as invalid. linux:/usr/bin # rug rm monodoc, and then do the install. This is because SUSE does not yet make monodoc noarch, and there is a somewhat broken rule that they forbid people from going to a different package arch. -- Ben ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7
Ben Maurer wrote: rug rm monodoc, and then do the install. This is because SUSE does not yet make monodoc noarch, and there is a somewhat broken rule that they forbid people from going to a different package arch. -- Ben Well, we're making progress, but we're not there yet, I'm afraid. The installation seemed to go OK. I've included the installation messages from rug below. However, when I run /usr/bin/monodevelop, the splash screen appears and a progress bar runs (too quickly for me to see what it's doing), then the program quietly dies. Nothing else happens. No error messages. Nothing. Sorry to be a pain, but I'd value any suggestions you or anyone else might have. Cheers Peter (rug output follows) Password: linux:/home/peter # rug rm monodoc The following requested packages will be removed: monodoc 1.0.6-5 1 packages will be removed. Do you want to continue? [y/N] y Removing Transaction finished linux:/home/peter # rug in monodevelop Using monodevelop 0.7-1.novell from the 'Tools for mono' channel The following requested packages will be installed: monodevelop 0.7-1.novell (Tools for mono) The following additional packages will be installed: boo 0.5.3.1544-0.novell (Tools for mono) boo-0.5.3.1544-0.novell: needed by monodevelop-0.7-1.novell gecko-sharp-2.0 0.10-0.novell (Tools for mono) gecko-sharp-2.0-0.10-0.novell: needed by monodevelop-0.7-1.novell gtksourceview-sharp-2.0 0.10-0.novell (Tools for mono) gtksourceview-sharp-2.0-0.10-0.novell: needed by monodevelop-0.7-1.novell ikvm 1:0.14-0.novell (Tools for mono) ikvm-1:0.14-0.novell: needed by monodevelop-0.7-1.novell monodoc 1.0.6-0.novell (Tools for mono) monodoc-1.0.6-0.novell: needed by monodevelop-0.7-1.novell 6 packages will be installed. This is a 11.79M download. Do you want to continue? [y/N] y Download complete Verifying monodoc There is no package signature for monodoc; package will be installed because user is trusted Verifying ikvm There is no package signature for ikvm; package will be installed because user is trusted Verifying gtksourceview-sharp-2.0 There is no package signature for gtksourceview-sharp-2.0; package will be installed because user is trusted Verifying gecko-sharp-2.0 There is no package signature for gecko-sharp-2.0; package will be installed because user is trusted Verifying boo There is no package signature for boo; package will be installed because user is trusted Verifying monodevelop There is no package signature for monodevelop; package will be installed because user is trusted Preparing Transaction Installing monodoc-1.0.6-0.novell.noarch.rpm Installing ikvm-0.14-0.novell.noarch.rpm Installing gtksourceview-sharp-2.0-0.10-0.novell.noarch.rpm Installing gecko-sharp-2.0-0.10-0.novell.noarch.rpm Installing boo-0.5.3.1544-0.novell.noarch.rpm Installing monodevelop-0.7-1.novell.noarch.rpm Transaction finished linux:/home/peter # ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7
On Fri, 2005-05-20 at 19:35 +0100, peter wrote: Ben Maurer wrote: rug rm monodoc, and then do the install. This is because SUSE does not yet make monodoc noarch, and there is a somewhat broken rule that they forbid people from going to a different package arch. -- Ben Well, we're making progress, but we're not there yet, I'm afraid. The installation seemed to go OK. I've included the installation messages from rug below. However, when I run /usr/bin/monodevelop, the splash screen appears and a progress bar runs (too quickly for me to see what it's doing), then the program quietly dies. Nothing else happens. No error messages. Nothing. Sorry to be a pain, but I'd value any suggestions you or anyone else might have. That's interesting :-). Can you run from the command line, maybe there is stuff there. -- Ben ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7
Ben Maurer wrote: That's interesting :-). You could say that (in fact you just did) :) Can you run from the command line, maybe there is stuff there. -- Ben Good thinking. Here's the output. Doesn't mean a lot to me, I'm afraid. I hope it means a bit more to you! [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/QtProjects/helloworld_project /usr/bin/monodevelop ** (MonoDevelop:12056): WARNING **: Missing method Register in assembly /usr/lib/mono/gac/gtksourceview-sharp/1.0.0.2__35e10195dab3c99f/gtksourceview-sharp.dll, type GType Loading error, please reinstall : System.Reflection.TargetInvocationException: Exception has been thrown by the target of an invocation. --- System.TypeInitializationException: An exception was thrown by the type initializer for GtkSourceView.SourceLanguagesManager --- System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object in 0x0 unknown method in 0x8 GtkSourceView.SourceLanguagesManager:.cctor ()--- End of inner exception stack trace --- in 0x0 unknown method in 0x00022 MonoDevelop.Services.SourceViewService:.ctor () in 0x0 unknown method in (wrapper managed-to-native) System.Reflection.MonoCMethod:InternalInvoke (object,object[]) in 0x0006f System.Reflection.MonoCMethod:Invoke (System.Object obj, BindingFlags invokeAttr, System.Reflection.Binder binder, System.Object[] parameters, System.Globalization.CultureInfo culture)--- End of inner exception stack trace --- in 0x00104 System.Reflection.MonoCMethod:Invoke (System.Object obj, BindingFlags invokeAttr, System.Reflection.Binder binder, System.Object[] parameters, System.Globalization.CultureInfo culture) in 0x00019 System.Reflection.MonoCMethod:Invoke (BindingFlags invokeAttr, System.Reflection.Binder binder, System.Object[] parameters, System.Globalization.CultureInfo culture) in 0x00032 System.Reflection.ConstructorInfo:Invoke (System.Object[] parameters) in 0x000e2 System.Activator:CreateInstance (System.Type type, Boolean nonPublic) in 0xc System.Activator:CreateInstance (System.Type type) in 0x0003a System.Reflection.Assembly:CreateInstance (System.String typeName, Boolean ignoreCase) in 0x00012 System.Reflection.Assembly:CreateInstance (System.String typeName) in 0x000af MonoDevelop.Core.AddIns.AddIn:CreateObject (System.String className) in 0x00030 MonoDevelop.Core.AddIns.Codons.ClassCodon:BuildItem (System.Object owner, System.Collections.ArrayList subItems, MonoDevelop.Core.AddIns.Conditions.ConditionCollection conditions) in 0x0014f MonoDevelop.Core.AddIns.DefaultAddInTreeNode:BuildChildItems (System.Object caller) in 0x0004c MonoDevelop.Core.Services.ServiceManager:InitializeServicesSubsystem (System.String servicesPath) in 0x00640 MonoDevelop.SharpDevelopMain:Main (System.String[] args) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/QtProjects/helloworld_project Cheers Peter ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7
peter wrote: Ben Maurer wrote: That's interesting :-). You could say that (in fact you just did) :) Can you run from the command line, maybe there is stuff there. -- Ben Good thinking. snip / Sorry to follow up my own post. Just to say I tried the following - without luck as you will see: linux:/home/peter # rug rm gtksourceview-sharp The following requested packages will be removed: gtksourceview-sharp 0.5-7 1 packages will be removed. Do you want to continue? [y/N] y Removing Transaction finished linux:/home/peter # rug ref Refreshing channel data Refresh complete linux:/home/peter # rug in gtksourceview-sharp ERROR: Unable to find package 'gtksourceview-sharp' in any subscribed channel linux:/home/peter # man rug Reformatting rug(1), please wait... linux:/home/peter # rug pa mono-tools-official 'mono-tools-official' matches 'Tools for mono' S | Name| Version --+-+ i | boo | 0.5.3.1544-0.novell i | gecko-sharp-2.0 | 0.10-0.novell i | gtksourceview-sharp-2.0 | 0.10-0.novell i | ikvm| 1:0.14-0.novell i | monodevelop | 0.7-1.novell i | monodoc | 1.0.6-0.novell linux:/home/peter # rug in gtksourceview-sharp-2.0 ERROR: There is no newer version of 'gtksourceview-sharp-2.0' in any subscribed channel linux:/home/peter # Cheers Peter ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
RE: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7
I tried rug ref and got nothing. I tried the same thing in the GUI and got nothing. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of peter Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 12:23 PM To: mono-list@lists.ximian.com Subject: Re: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7 Ben Maurer wrote: You can type rug ref as root, and that refreshes. Or if you like to use the gui, your instructions will work. -- Ben Hi, I have SuSE 9.3 Pro. I tried the above, and I've tried installing from source. No joy. I just get a message (from rug) saying that /usr/bin/monodevelop doesn't exist (which is true). If I try to install from source I get the gtksourceview message that others have mentioned, when I do ./configure. If I do rug channels, I get: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/bin rug channels subd? | Alias| Name --+--+--- Yes | gtk-sharp-official | Gtk# 1.0.x Yes | gtk-sharp-2-official | Gtk# 2 Yes | mono-1.1-official| Mono 1.1.x Yes | mono-tools-official | Tools for mono Is there a channel I don't know about? I did manage to get MonoDevelop 0.5 working with mono 1.0.1 under SuSE 9.2 Pro, but since I upgraded to mono 1.1.7 MonoDevelop first just crashed, so I got the new version, then just refused to install - whatever method I used. It's disappointing, because I think monodevelop is really important if mono is to become accepted as a development platform rather than just a deployment platform on Linux. Cheers Peter ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
RE: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7
I'm getting a message saying it can't find monodevelop in any subscribed channels. I'm subscribed to subd? | Alias| Name --+--+--- Yes | gtk-sharp-official | Gtk# 1.0.x Yes | mono-1.1-official| Mono 1.1.x Yes | mono-tools-official | Tools for mono -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of peter Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 12:50 PM To: mono-list@lists.ximian.com Subject: Re: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7 Ben Maurer wrote: Once you are at that point, you have to `rug in monodevelop' and everything should work fine. -- Ben Thanks Ben, but it still doesn't work, I'm afraid: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/bin su Password: linux:/usr/bin # rug in monodevelop Using monodevelop 0.7-1.novell from the 'Tools for mono' channel ERROR: Unresolved dependencies: Skipping monodoc-1.0.6-0.novell[Tools for mono]: incompatible arch Marking this resolution attempt as invalid. linux:/usr/bin # Any ideas? Cheers Peter ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
RE: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7
On Fri, 2005-05-20 at 14:36 -0500, Carl Olsen wrote: I'm getting a message saying it can't find monodevelop in any subscribed channels. I'm subscribed to subd? | Alias| Name --+--+--- Yes | gtk-sharp-official | Gtk# 1.0.x Yes | mono-1.1-official| Mono 1.1.x Yes | mono-tools-official | Tools for mono You aren't on a distro that is new enough to have a new gtk#. I assume this is rh9 or a rhel box? -- Ben ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7
Carl Olsen wrote: I guess this means that upgrading to Mono 1.1.7 on SuSe 9.2 Pro causes monodevelop to stop working. That was my experience, and the reason I upgraded to 9.3. However it doesn't seem to be straightforward to get it to work on SuSE 9.3 Pro either: at least not for me. :( Peter ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
RE: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7
I guess this means that upgrading to Mono 1.1.7 on SuSe 9.2 Pro causes monodevelop to stop working. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Maurer Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 3:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: mono-list@lists.ximian.com; 'peter' Subject: RE: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7 On Fri, 2005-05-20 at 14:36 -0500, Carl Olsen wrote: I'm getting a message saying it can't find monodevelop in any subscribed channels. I'm subscribed to subd? | Alias| Name --+--+--- Yes | gtk-sharp-official | Gtk# 1.0.x Yes | mono-1.1-official| Mono 1.1.x Yes | mono-tools-official | Tools for mono You aren't on a distro that is new enough to have a new gtk#. I assume this is rh9 or a rhel box? -- Ben ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7
Kirill wrote: Hi, Did you try running MD after removing gtksourceview-sharp? I'm not in Linux currently, so I can't check that, but I am guessing that maybe there were 2 versions installed on your computer, which interferred with each other? What's MD? Your diagnosis is probably correct, though. Cheers Peter ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7
peter wrote: What's MD? Doh!!! Sorry. Just realised. Yes I did try to rerun it after removal. No luck Cheers Peter ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7
Kirill wrote: Hi, Did you try running MD after removing gtksourceview-sharp? I'm not in Linux currently, so I can't check that, but I am guessing that maybe there were 2 versions installed on your computer, which interferred with each other? Nope. That didn't work either. Went into synaptic and looked for gtksourceview-sharp and found it. So I uninstalled it (which uninstalled monodevelop as well). I then reinstalled monodevelop via rug - which reinstalled gtksourceview. Finally I tried running monodevelop from the command line - and got exactly the same result as before. Bummer. Peter ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
[Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7
I downloaded and installed the new Monodevelop 0.7 Fedora Core 3 RPMs today. Now, I cannot even open any .cs file 'coz the thing crashes. I cannot right-click on any file...Monodevelop just quits. Does not even open existing solutions. Is anyone else experiencing this proble/issue? Thanks. ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
RE: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7
Are you guys using 0.7-1? I had to update the rpms to fix a packaging error. You may have to rug ref to get the newer md. -- Ben ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
RE: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7
My version says 0.5 Carl -Original Message- From: Ben Maurer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 9:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'Collin Goredema'; mono-list@lists.ximian.com Subject: RE: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7 Are you guys using 0.7-1? I had to update the rpms to fix a packaging error. You may have to rug ref to get the newer md. -- Ben ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
RE: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7
On Thu, 2005-05-19 at 22:55 -0500, Carl Olsen wrote: What is rug ref? refresh. 0.5 is way too old, you should upgrade to the packages on the downloads page. -- Ben ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
RE: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7
On Thu, 2005-05-19 at 22:55 -0500, Carl Olsen wrote: What is rug ref? Type it in the console as root. Or just launch red-carpet and press the reload button. you will download the lastest packages. Then just press 'update' and that's it. Cheers, Mauro ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
RE: [Mono-list] MonoDevelop 0.7
On Thu, 2005-05-19 at 23:12 -0500, Mauro Parra Miranda wrote: On Thu, 2005-05-19 at 22:55 -0500, Carl Olsen wrote: What is rug ref? Type it in the console as root. Or just launch red-carpet and press the reload button. you will download the lastest packages. Then just press 'update' and that's it. You can type rug ref as root, and that refreshes. Or if you like to use the gui, your instructions will work. -- Ben ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
