Re: [MOPO] question about ebay seller: tloceposters

2009-02-04 Thread Jeffrey Meyer

Does anyone know if he did sell any fakes/reprints of One Million Years BC One 
Sheets with Welch on them?

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Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 01:23:57 -0700
From: dsoneshe...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [MOPO] question about ebay seller: tloceposters
To: mop...@sol03.american.edu

Wow.  I am simply stunned at all the good vibes that everyone has for this guy. 
He's got you exactly where he wants some of you - to believe that he is just an 
honest dealer that might of gotten swiped himself into buying some known fakes, 
and unwittingly passed them on to you.  Could happen to anyone of us dealers, 
right?  He's got some legitimate originals so you'll think exactly that.



I wonder what his income is off the fakes alone.  Probably not too bad.  It's 
probably enough to buy some really nice originals to keep the illusion going to 
all the gullible people out there.

I'd love to pint you some of the emails he's sent me, you wouldn't think he was 
such a nice guy then.  He's threatened me with his lawyers not once, not twice, 
but three times in the last year and a half or so. And they were all because 
I've pointed out his fake Pulp Fiction auctions.  He doesn't like it when his 
bread and butter sales are compromised.  In two examples, I simply asked if he 
could please send me a close-up picture of Uma's cleavage, because any 
collector  of the recalled Pulps worth his weight knows that this area will 
quickly reveal if it is a reprint or not due to the white printing defects on 
Uma's black shirt.  


Get Seriouswhite specks on
her chest? What's wrong with you. Get lost pervert. I have reported
your sick E-Mail to E-Bay. Hope you get suspended. I have also blocked
you as a bidder. Don't bother us again.




What is wrong with you? A close up of her clevage? What 
are you some kind of pervert? Specks on her flesh??? I have reported you to 
E-Bay and  I hope you get suspended. Also you have been to our blocked 
bidder list. Please don't contact us again. This is a serious business. We have 
a 100% reputation for six years and are not here to play games.

He knows exactly why I wanted the close-up, and that's exactly why he avoided 
the request and tried to deflect it.  (BTW, If interested, I can provide entire 
emails with dates and times and email header information to prove I am not 
making this stuff up.)


The killer punchline is that he's even now stopped putting the Miramax stamp on 
the back of his Pulp reprints, and is joining in with everyone else decrying 
the fake stamp that he helped start, and Dan Rickard tried to get the correct 
information out to the poster community.  Oh, here's from an email from Tom 
about Dan and his incredible work as a movie poster authentication guru:


It is a sad state of affairs that sham 
websites such as Dan Rickards have spread unfounded and incorrect 
info to the poster collecting community . He has done a great 
deal of harm to this hobby and he still doesn't realize it.


It's very sad that Dan's authentication site is not around anymore, and I would 
bet $100 bucks Loce and his Rochester, NY buddies went out and had a few drinks 
the day that it came down.

One more example: let's look at this auction.  In his description, he insists 
that it was printed by the National Screen Service!  I mean, c'mon, is he 
serious?  Who's he really targeting with that piece of disinformation?  Someone 
who is new to the hobby, and knows that NSS numbers used to mean it was 
probably a legitimate poster they are looking at.  In 20 out of 20 auctions I 
looked at, the poster in question was printed by the NSS.  Pretty amazing 
considering the NSS hasn't been around for at least a decade.


This is exactly why the hobby has started to lose its luster, and why more 
people are just saying 'forget about it, it's not worth the trouble trying to 
keep up with what is an original, and what might be a fake.'


Loce's own words paint a pretty good picture of where he's coming from, and 
what he's trying to accomplish.


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Re: [MOPO] question about ebay seller: tloceposters

2009-02-02 Thread Shelly Whitworth-King

 
I'm just surprised that you hadn't heard of Mr Loce before now, Jeff
 
Shelly



Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 11:03:40 -0800From: jpotok...@ca.rr.comsubject: Re: 
[MOPO] question about ebay seller: tlocepostersTo: 
mop...@sol03.american.eduthanks for the reply, jeff.

one question to you, then... if you realized that he had sold you a number of 
fake pieces, why would you then have dealt with him, (in your words), many 
times? it would have olnt taken getting burned once to never buy or do 
business with this type of person again.

best.

jeff






On Feb 1, 2009, at 9:01 AM, Jeffrey Meyer wrote:
I have dealt whit him many times, I've actually been to his place and checked 
out all his awesome original posters.  I bought a bunch of stuff off of him and 
I indeed got a few of the fake minty white inserts.  This was a long time ago 
and he did not inform me that they were fakes.  Luckily I only got a couple of 
them, but he did charge me a lot of money.  As customers/ buyers started to 
become more aware of the Minty White scam tloceposters (Tom Loce) got 
harangued over and over about this.  He laid low for a bit.  After I learned of 
my mistake, I went back to his place and informed him about the fakes.  He was 
pretty determined to say they were originals, but I knew they were not and so 
did many other people.  I talked him into selling some posters for cheap, like 
an original Friday 13th part 1 mint original for $20 and a Green Slime advanced 
for $50 mint. All in all, I was duped and bought the fakes when I was not 
educated on them about 10 years ago.  I'll bump into him once in a while and 
bust on him about the fakes, I'll never buy another insert from him again and 
I'll always double check and will not buy anything from him unless I go over to 
his place to see it, unless I know 100% it is original.  The last poster I 
bought off of him was a Shockwaves OS.  Good condition and original.  The only 
posters that I do have that I got from him that I am realy not sure if it could 
be a fake is a 1 million years BC Welch OS.  Does anybody know if there are any 
fakes of this poster.  It looks original, but when I bought it it was mint/ 
white and very nice.  Not sure.
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http://www.cinemawasteland.com Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 08:57:04 +0100 From: 
i...@motionpictureart.com Subject: Re: [MOPO] question about ebay seller: 
tloceposters To: mop...@sol03.american.edu  We have traded posters and lobby 
sets and indeed you will have to be careful  about what you buy or trade. But 
in our case he send his stuff first so we were able to inspect it before  
sending him our stuff and he also threw in a lot of freebies. Although there 
were indeed two fake items in this lot all other stuff was  genuine and 
great. We were also allowed to keep the fake items as a reference. This to us 
says  he is not in the business to scam people deliberately. He also informed 
us about the huge inventory he's working with and how many  people he trades 
with. This is according to him the reason why sometimes  fake items slip 
through. We also found him very pleasant in the way he communicated. He 
emailed  promptly with all info and even added handwritten letters to the 
packages  and one after the deal to thank us for the smooth transaction.  
Ron  - Original Message -  From: Richard Halegua Comic Art 
sa...@comic-art.com To: mop...@sol03.american.edu Sent: Sunday, February 
01, 2009 1:31 AM Subject: Re: [MOPO] question about ebay seller: tloceposters 
  I like Tom, but watch out that you don't buy a counterfeit Pulp Fiction, 
or  Casino   he is potentially responsible for bringing these to market 
  that said, he has lots of nice stuff and his customer service is generally 
  very good   mopst people just stay away because of the bootlegs issue 
and that is what   you will hear from mostAt 04:16 PM 1/31/2009, 
Jeff Potokar wrote: hi all,  has anyone had any experience or bought a 
poster (or posters) from this seller before? good, bad, or just OK?  
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Re: [MOPO] question about ebay seller: tloceposters

2009-02-02 Thread Joseph Mitch

I traded with this seller a few years ago. It was a good experience. I didnt 
have any problems at all. I did a trade in with him and I had to throw in some 
money. I sent my poster and the money first. He shipped my poster quickly.
 
I got one of my dream posters from him. 
 

--- On Sun, 2/1/09, MotionPictureArt.com i...@motionpictureart.com wrote:

From: MotionPictureArt.com i...@motionpictureart.com
Subject: Re: [MOPO] question about ebay seller: tloceposters
To: mop...@sol03.american.edu
Date: Sunday, February 1, 2009, 2:57 AM

We have traded posters and lobby sets and indeed you will have to be careful
about what you buy or trade.
But in our case he send his stuff first so we were able to inspect it before
sending him our stuff and he also threw in a lot of freebies.
Although there were indeed two fake items in this lot all other stuff was
genuine and great.
We were also allowed to keep the fake items as a reference. This to us says he
is not in the business to scam people deliberately.
He also informed us about the huge inventory he's working with and how many
people he trades with. This is according to him the reason why sometimes fake
items slip through.
We also found him very pleasant in the way he communicated. He emailed promptly
with all info and even added handwritten letters to the packages and one after
the deal to thank us for the smooth transaction.

Ron

- Original Message - From: Richard Halegua Comic Art
sa...@comic-art.com
To: mop...@sol03.american.edu
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 1:31 AM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] question about ebay seller: tloceposters


 I like Tom, but watch out that you don't buy a counterfeit Pulp
Fiction, or Casino
 
 he is potentially responsible for bringing these to market
 
 that said, he has lots of nice stuff and his customer service is generally
very good
 
 mopst people just stay away because of the bootlegs issue and that is what
you will hear from most
 
 
 At 04:16 PM 1/31/2009, Jeff Potokar wrote:
 hi all,
 
 has anyone had any experience or bought a poster (or posters) from
 this seller before? good, bad, or just OK?
 
 thanks in advance.
 
 jeff
 
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[MOPO] question about ebay seller: tloceposters

2009-02-02 Thread John Mody (Reel Deals)
For what its worth I have traded with Tom several times and found him to be 
honest. He has an amazing collection of original and rare posters and I'm not 
sure there are many people in MoPo that have a collection close to his. I too 
have send money first and got my poster(s) back in a timely manner and 
perfectly packaged. 

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Re: [MOPO] question about ebay seller: tloceposters

2009-02-01 Thread MotionPictureArt.com
We have traded posters and lobby sets and indeed you will have to be careful 
about what you buy or trade.
But in our case he send his stuff first so we were able to inspect it before 
sending him our stuff and he also threw in a lot of freebies.
Although there were indeed two fake items in this lot all other stuff was 
genuine and great.
We were also allowed to keep the fake items as a reference. This to us says 
he is not in the business to scam people deliberately.
He also informed us about the huge inventory he's working with and how many 
people he trades with. This is according to him the reason why sometimes 
fake items slip through.
We also found him very pleasant in the way he communicated. He emailed 
promptly with all info and even added handwritten letters to the packages 
and one after the deal to thank us for the smooth transaction.


Ron

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From: Richard Halegua Comic Art sa...@comic-art.com

To: mop...@sol03.american.edu
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 1:31 AM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] question about ebay seller: tloceposters


I like Tom, but watch out that you don't buy a counterfeit Pulp Fiction, or 
Casino


he is potentially responsible for bringing these to market

that said, he has lots of nice stuff and his customer service is generally 
very good


mopst people just stay away because of the bootlegs issue and that is what 
you will hear from most



At 04:16 PM 1/31/2009, Jeff Potokar wrote:

hi all,

has anyone had any experience or bought a poster (or posters) from
this seller before? good, bad, or just OK?

thanks in advance.

jeff

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Re: [MOPO] question about ebay seller: tloceposters

2009-02-01 Thread Jeffrey Meyer

I have dealt whit him many times, I've actually been to his place and checked 
out all his awesome original posters.  I bought a bunch of stuff off of him and 
I indeed got a few of the fake minty white inserts.  This was a long time ago 
and he did not inform me that they were fakes.  Luckily I only got a couple of 
them, but he did charge me a lot of money.  As customers/ buyers started to 
become more aware of the Minty White scam tloceposters (Tom Loce) got 
harangued over and over about this.  He laid low for a bit.  After I learned of 
my mistake, I went back to his place and informed him about the fakes.  He was 
pretty determined to say they were originals, but I knew they were not and so 
did many other people.  I talked him into selling some posters for cheap, like 
an original Friday 13th part 1 mint original for $20 and a Green Slime advanced 
for $50 mint. All in all, I was duped and bought the fakes when I was not 
educated on them about 10 years ago.  I'll bump into him once in a while and 
bust on him about the fakes, I'll never buy another insert from him again and 
I'll always double check and will not buy anything from him unless I go over to 
his place to see it, unless I know 100% it is original.  The last poster I 
bought off of him was a Shockwaves OS.  Good condition and original.  The only 
posters that I do have that I got from him that I am realy not sure if it could 
be a fake is a 1 million years BC Welch OS.  Does anybody know if there are any 
fakes of this poster.  It looks original, but when I bought it it was mint/ 
white and very nice.  Not sure.

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 Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 08:57:04 +0100
 From: i...@motionpictureart.com
 Subject: Re: [MOPO] question about ebay seller: tloceposters
 To: mop...@sol03.american.edu
 
 We have traded posters and lobby sets and indeed you will have to be careful 
 about what you buy or trade.
 But in our case he send his stuff first so we were able to inspect it before 
 sending him our stuff and he also threw in a lot of freebies.
 Although there were indeed two fake items in this lot all other stuff was 
 genuine and great.
 We were also allowed to keep the fake items as a reference. This to us says 
 he is not in the business to scam people deliberately.
 He also informed us about the huge inventory he's working with and how many 
 people he trades with. This is according to him the reason why sometimes 
 fake items slip through.
 We also found him very pleasant in the way he communicated. He emailed 
 promptly with all info and even added handwritten letters to the packages 
 and one after the deal to thank us for the smooth transaction.
 
 Ron
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Richard Halegua Comic Art sa...@comic-art.com
 To: mop...@sol03.american.edu
 Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 1:31 AM
 Subject: Re: [MOPO] question about ebay seller: tloceposters
 
 
 I like Tom, but watch out that you don't buy a counterfeit Pulp Fiction, or 
 Casino
 
  he is potentially responsible for bringing these to market
 
  that said, he has lots of nice stuff and his customer service is generally 
  very good
 
  mopst people just stay away because of the bootlegs issue and that is what 
  you will hear from most
 
 
  At 04:16 PM 1/31/2009, Jeff Potokar wrote:
 hi all,
 
 has anyone had any experience or bought a poster (or posters) from
 this seller before? good, bad, or just OK?
 
 thanks in advance.
 
 jeff
 
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Re: [MOPO] question about ebay seller: tloceposters

2009-02-01 Thread Jeff Potokar

thanks for the reply, jeff.

one question to you, then... if you realized that he had sold you a  
number of fake pieces, why would you then have dealt with him, (in  
your words), many times? it would have olnt taken getting burned  
once to never buy or do business with this type of person again.


best.

jeff





On Feb 1, 2009, at 9:01 AM, Jeffrey Meyer wrote:

I have dealt whit him many times, I've actually been to his place  
and checked out all his awesome original posters.  I bought a bunch  
of stuff off of him and I indeed got a few of the fake minty  
white inserts.  This was a long time ago and he did not inform me  
that they were fakes.  Luckily I only got a couple of them, but he  
did charge me a lot of money.  As customers/ buyers started to  
become more aware of the Minty White scam tloceposters (Tom Loce)  
got harangued over and over about this.  He laid low for a bit.   
After I learned of my mistake, I went back to his place and  
informed him about the fakes.  He was pretty determined to say they  
were originals, but I knew they were not and so did many other  
people.  I talked him into selling some posters for cheap, like an  
original Friday 13th part 1 mint original for $20 and a Green Slime  
advanced for $50 mint. All in all, I was duped and bought the fakes  
when I was not educated on them about 10 years ago.  I'll bump into  
him once in a while and bust on him about the fakes, I'll never buy  
another insert from him again and I'll always double check and will  
not buy anything from him unless I go over to his place to see it,  
unless I know 100% it is original.  The last poster I bought off of  
him was a Shockwaves OS.  Good condition and original.  The only  
posters that I do have that I got from him that I am realy not sure  
if it could be a fake is a 1 million years BC Welch OS.  Does  
anybody know if there are any fakes of this poster.  It looks  
original, but when I bought it it was mint/ white and very nice.   
Not sure.


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 Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 08:57:04 +0100
 From: i...@motionpictureart.com
 Subject: Re: [MOPO] question about ebay seller: tloceposters
 To: mop...@sol03.american.edu

 We have traded posters and lobby sets and indeed you will have to  
be careful

 about what you buy or trade.
 But in our case he send his stuff first so we were able to  
inspect it before

 sending him our stuff and he also threw in a lot of freebies.
 Although there were indeed two fake items in this lot all other  
stuff was

 genuine and great.
 We were also allowed to keep the fake items as a reference. This  
to us says

 he is not in the business to scam people deliberately.
 He also informed us about the huge inventory he's working with  
and how many
 people he trades with. This is according to him the reason why  
sometimes

 fake items slip through.
 We also found him very pleasant in the way he communicated. He  
emailed
 promptly with all info and even added handwritten letters to the  
packages

 and one after the deal to thank us for the smooth transaction.

 Ron

 - Original Message -
 From: Richard Halegua Comic Art sa...@comic-art.com
 To: mop...@sol03.american.edu
 Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 1:31 AM
 Subject: Re: [MOPO] question about ebay seller: tloceposters


 I like Tom, but watch out that you don't buy a counterfeit Pulp  
Fiction, or

 Casino
 
  he is potentially responsible for bringing these to market
 
  that said, he has lots of nice stuff and his customer service  
is generally

  very good
 
  mopst people just stay away because of the bootlegs issue and  
that is what

  you will hear from most
 
 
  At 04:16 PM 1/31/2009, Jeff Potokar wrote:
 hi all,
 
 has anyone had any experience or bought a poster (or posters) from
 this seller before? good, bad, or just OK?
 
 thanks in advance.
 
 jeff
 
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[MOPO] question about ebay seller: tloceposters

2009-01-31 Thread Jeff Potokar

hi all,

has anyone had any experience or bought a poster (or posters) from  
this seller before? good, bad, or just OK?


thanks in advance.

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Re: [MOPO] question about ebay seller: tloceposters

2009-01-31 Thread Richard Halegua Comic Art
I like Tom, but watch out that you don't buy a counterfeit Pulp 
Fiction, or Casino


he is potentially responsible for bringing these to market

that said, he has lots of nice stuff and his customer service is 
generally very good


mopst people just stay away because of the bootlegs issue and that is 
what you will hear from most



At 04:16 PM 1/31/2009, Jeff Potokar wrote:

hi all,

has anyone had any experience or bought a poster (or posters) from
this seller before? good, bad, or just OK?

thanks in advance.

jeff

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Re: [MOPO] question about ebay seller: tloceposters

2009-01-31 Thread dsonesheets
I think most people either have forgotten or didn't know that both himself
and Ed Richter hosted a show called Life without shame.  These guys have
serious issues, and are completely amoral.  For those who knows how deep
that statement really goes, it's true.

For episodes called The Bum Olympics, they rounded up homeless men who
competed for a bottle of liquor by stuffing themselves into heavy-duty
garbage bags, giving their best begging speech and simulating sex with a
blow-up doll.

How messed up do you have to be to even think of this, let alone carry it
out and film it.  That is seriously messed up.

Steve

On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Richard Halegua Comic Art 
sa...@comic-art.com wrote:

 I like Tom, but watch out that you don't buy a counterfeit Pulp Fiction, or
 Casino

 he is potentially responsible for bringing these to market

 that said, he has lots of nice stuff and his customer service is generally
 very good

 mopst people just stay away because of the bootlegs issue and that is what
 you will hear from most



 At 04:16 PM 1/31/2009, Jeff Potokar wrote:

 hi all,

 has anyone had any experience or bought a poster (or posters) from
 this seller before? good, bad, or just OK?

 thanks in advance.

 jeff

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Re: [MOPO] QUESTION ABOUT EBAY SELLER

2005-09-19 Thread LENL48


 
Hi Walter,
This ebay seller is Dave from ReelDeals Movie Posters. He is
a very reputable dealer that has been in the business for a long
time. His auctions are properly described and he isa pleasure to
do business with. He is the real deal. 

Lenny
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[MOPO] QUESTION ABOUT EBAY SELLER

2005-09-18 Thread Walter Reuben



HI
Does anyone know anything about this 
seller:
village144

I ask because he is from Syracuse and a lot of the 
fake inserts and other crap that have turned up seem to have been from sellers 
also in upstate New York.


Walter Reuben
Walter Reuben, Inc.
500 North Harper 
Avenue
Los Angeles 
CA 90048 
USA
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(323) 651 3313
www.walterfilm.com
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