Re: [MOPO] Those wascky Warner Bros. Linen lobbies

[Richard Evans]

Really appreciate it when this standard of info is made available.
Thanks.


On 16 Dec 2010, at 15:18, Ron Moore wrote:


Since I've been asked to weigh in on this-

As Bruce pointed out, many stars did indeed join the armed forces  
and were unavailable for new pictures during the war years. However,  
another reason for the reduction of new films was the US war  
depoartment. They enforced strict rationing of materials on the US  
public and business and that included the film studios and the film  
stock they had available. One only has to look at the number of  
features Warner Bros. released from the mid 1930's through 1941 and  
then compare that to the number of features the studio released in  
the war years. You'll see a drastic cut in the number of new  
productions. That, in turn, forced the studios to re-release some of  
their more popular features during the 1942-1945 era.


Warners used a flat stock on their lobbies from the silent era  
through 1935 (approximate) and then converted to a veneer finish on  
most of the 1936-1937 features. Starting in late 1937 and then going  
through very early 1940 they used "linen" stock. In 1940, they  
partially converted over to flat stock again, however, they  
continued to use the linen stock on a few features into 1942. The  
latest example of this I can recall is Yankee Doodle Dandy.


Okay- back to the c.1942 reissues on flat stock... Warner had to  
fill those theatres with product so they reissued many of their most  
popular films STARTING in 1942. So when you see flat stock Warner  
lobbies- for films that we know were released on linen stock in the  
1938-1940 era, the assumption is they were released in 1942- 1945.  
On certain films (like The Frisco Kid) Warners issued entirely new  
sets with different motif and inset stills. On other films, (like  
Adventures of Robin Hood) they issued the same cards as the  
originals just on flat stock.


As for Virginia City (1940)- I have linen cards on that title and  
those are original. My assumption is that since Virginia City had  
three major stars, it was probably re-released in 1942-1944. Those  
cards are printed on flat stock. Here's another situation- For Bette  
Davis' Bordertown cards- the film was released in 1935 on flat  
stock. There are also cards on linen finish and this points to a  
reissue from 1938.


Also- the reissues didn't stop in 1944. During 1945- Warner Bros  
changed the copyright information in the lower right corner of their  
posters and cards. From the 1930's through 1944 it read "This  
advertising material is the property of Vitagraph Inc" Starting  
in 1945 (and prior to their conversion to NSS in 1946) the copyright  
notice states, "This advertising material is the property of Warner  
Bros. Pictures Distributing Corporation..." 1945 was the only year  
Warner's used this copyright.


The flat stock lobbies from Adventures of Robin Hood use the "Warner  
Bros. Distributing Corp." copyright- which marks them as from a 1945  
reissue. Also- there are some Casablanca lobbies with the same  
information - and most of these were reissues from 1945 that were  
first released in South America. A number of these tumed up in the  
early 1990's as material was surfacing from Colombia, Brazil,  
Argentina, etc.


As for the c.1942 reissue dates. I don't know of anyone researching  
the exact year these films were reissued. I've often thought about  
doing the research myself. I think most dealers and auction houses  
use 1942 as the "circa" year since we know the reissues started at  
that point... but it could have just as easily been 1943, '44 or '45.


And as a final note--- Warners experimented with other linen stocks  
as early as 1936 with Charge of the Light Brigade.


Hope that helps.

Ron Moore
Cinema Icons

--- On Thu, 12/16/10, Captain Bijou  wrote:

From: Captain Bijou 
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Those wascky Warner Bros. Linen lobbies
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Date: Thursday, December 16, 2010, 5:12 AM

I have three DR. ERLICH lobbies in inventory and all three are on  
linen stock.


Earl Blair
CAPTAIN BIJOU
www.captainbijou.com

- Original Message -----
From: Phil Edwards
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 1:02 AM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Those wascky Warner Bros. Linen lobbies

Dr Erlich's Magic Bullet, as I recall.
Phil
- Original Message -
From: Darcy and Tracey Craig
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Those wascky Warner Bros. Linen lobbies

Bruce –

Thanks for this … makes perfect sense.

Does anyone know though if warners issued flat lobbies for the 30’s  
classics for anyone other than Errol Flynn?


And Virginia City was released in 1940. Has anyone ever seen or have  
a linen lobby for this title? Just curious as I’ve had a few c

Re: [MOPO] Those wascky Warner Bros. Linen lobbies

[Ron Moore]

Since I've been asked to weigh in on this-
As Bruce pointed out, many stars did indeed join the armed forces and were 
unavailable for new pictures during the war years. However, another reason for 
the reduction of new films was the US war depoartment. They enforced strict 
rationing of materials on the US public and business and that included the film 
studios and the film stock they had available. One only has to look at the 
number of features Warner Bros. released from the mid 1930's through 1941 and 
then compare that to the number of features the studio released in the war 
years. You'll see a drastic cut in the number of new productions. That, in 
turn, forced the studios to re-release some of their more popular features 
during the 1942-1945 era. 
Warners used a flat stock on their lobbies from the silent era through 1935 
(approximate) and then converted to a veneer finish on most of the 1936-1937 
features. Starting in late 1937 and then going through very early 1940 they 
used "linen" stock. In 1940, they partially converted over to flat stock again, 
however, they continued to use the linen stock on a few features into 1942. The 
latest example of this I can recall is Yankee Doodle Dandy. 
Okay- back to the c.1942 reissues on flat stock... Warner had to fill those 
theatres with product so they reissued many of their most popular films 
STARTING in 1942. So when you see flat stock Warner lobbies- for films that we 
know were released on linen stock in the 1938-1940 era, the assumption is they 
were released in 1942- 1945. On certain films (like The Frisco Kid) Warners 
issued entirely new sets with different motif and inset stills. On other films, 
(like Adventures of Robin Hood) they issued the same cards as the originals 
just on flat stock. 
As for Virginia City (1940)- I have linen cards on that title and those are 
original. My assumption is that since Virginia City had three major stars, it 
was probably re-released in 1942-1944. Those cards are printed on flat stock. 
Here's another situation- For Bette Davis' Bordertown cards- the film was 
released in 1935 on flat stock. There are also cards on linen finish and this 
points to a reissue from 1938. 
Also- the reissues didn't stop in 1944. During 1945- Warner Bros changed the 
copyright information in the lower right corner of their posters and cards. 
From the 1930's through 1944 it read "This advertising material is the property 
of Vitagraph Inc" Starting in 1945 (and prior to their conversion to NSS in 
1946) the copyright notice states, "This advertising material is the property 
of Warner Bros. Pictures Distributing Corporation..." 1945 was the only year 
Warner's used this copyright.
The flat stock lobbies from Adventures of Robin Hood use the "Warner Bros. 
Distributing Corp." copyright- which marks them as from a 1945 reissue. Also- 
there are some Casablanca lobbies with the same information - and most of these 
were reissues from 1945 that were first released in South America. A number of 
these tumed up in the early 1990's as material was surfacing from Colombia, 
Brazil, Argentina, etc. 
As for the c.1942 reissue dates. I don't know of anyone researching the exact 
year these films were reissued. I've often thought about doing the research 
myself. I think most dealers and auction houses use 1942 as the "circa" year 
since we know the reissues started at that point... but it could have just as 
easily been 1943, '44 or '45. 
And as a final note--- Warners experimented with other linen stocks as early as 
1936 with Charge of the Light Brigade.
Hope that helps.
Ron MooreCinema Icons

--- On Thu, 12/16/10, Captain Bijou  wrote:

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Subject: Re: [MOPO] Those wascky Warner Bros. Linen lobbies
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
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Re: [MOPO] Those wascky Warner Bros. Linen lobbies

[Captain Bijou]

I have three DR. ERLICH lobbies in inventory and all three are on linen stock.

Earl Blair 
CAPTAIN BIJOU 
www.captainbijou.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: Phil Edwards 
  To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
  Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 1:02 AM
  Subject: Re: [MOPO] Those wascky Warner Bros. Linen lobbies


  Dr Erlich's Magic Bullet, as I recall.
  Phil
- Original Message - 
From: Darcy and Tracey Craig 
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Those wascky Warner Bros. Linen lobbies


Bruce - 

 

Thanks for this . makes perfect sense. 

 

Does anyone know though if warners issued flat lobbies for the 30's 
classics for anyone other than Errol Flynn?

 

And Virginia City was released in 1940. Has anyone ever seen or have a 
linen lobby for this title? Just curious as I've had a few cards over the years 
and none were linen. My searches of major auction houses also don't seem to 
specify linen, so no definite answers there.

 

Thanks to anyone who can help.

 

Darcy

 

From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Richard 
Halegua Comic Art
Sent: December 13, 2010 1:09 PM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
    Subject: Re: [MOPO] Those wascky Warner Bros. Linen lobbies

 

so does that mean that my Juke Girl lobbies that are not linen paper might 
be first release lobbies as well??




At 04:05 AM 12/13/2010, Bruce Hershenson wrote:



Darcy

Great topic, especially if it will cause some dealers to quit saying the 
flat cards from 1930s titles are original release! On movies that were 
originally released in 1940 and earlier, I would say there is no chance the 
flat cards are first release, but there is some doubt on movies that were 
originally released in 1941 or 1942 (on those it is possible they made both 
flat and linen at the same time).

After Pearl Harbor, most of Warner Bros top stars enlisted in the Armed 
Forces (likely partly due to their patriotism, and partly due to the top income 
tax rate of 88% imposed in 1942 (it went to 94% in 1944)! Many of them were 
immediately made officers and got cushy jobs in the military but a few asked 
for and received combat duty.

That left the studios (and Warner Bros in particular) in a bind, because 
the movies they made with their second tier stars were not nearly as popular as 
their product of the mid-to-late 1930s. So they re-released their top movies 
from that period.

I am not sure where the 1942 came from (all of these re-releases were 
undated to the best of my knowledge), but  they are surely from between 1942 
and 1945 or so, when the stars returned home.

We always record handwritten NSS info from movie paper (sometimes they 
would assign numbers to items that were printed without them, for filing 
purposes, and that can be invaluable in exactly dating re-releases) but I don't 
recall seeing one on one of these.

I am sure Ron Moore, Grey Smith or Ed Poole will have more light to shed on 
this subject!

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 12:28 AM, Darcy and Tracey Craig 
 wrote:

Hello all - 

 

I was speaking with another longtime collection a few weeks back and 
decided to post on a topic I know has been discussed, but not sure if any 
resolution came.

 

When I started collecting relatively seriously, it was around 1981. I was 
after lobbies from the Errol Flynn classics of the 1930's, among other things. 

 

When you'd come across a card that was "flat" rather than linen, no one 
really knew why. It was assumed they were from the same original release. but. 
maybe not.  

 

A few years ago Heritage auctioned some flat Robin Hood lobbies and said 
they were R42. I have now seen other dealers with similar lobbies state the 
same. While I don't doubt this, we were wondering how this R42 designation came 
to be. I have also seen other flat lobbies from the likes of the Sea Hawk also 
labeled as R42. Is this confirmation coming from pressbooks from reissues? Or???

 

Was it only Flynn that had reissues of linen cards on flat paper? Or did 
other Warner Bros stars also have this? And was it only for reissues from 1942? 
I know for Flynn. the card styles themselves changed a lot in other reissues. 

 

And are there Virginia City cards on linen as well as flat? I have only 
seen flat for this title?

 

Thanks to anyone who can help!

 

Darcy

 

 

 

 

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Re: [MOPO] Those wascky Warner Bros. Linen lobbies

[Phil Edwards]

Dr Erlich's Magic Bullet, as I recall.
Phil
  - Original Message - 
  From: Darcy and Tracey Craig 
  To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
  Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:05 PM
  Subject: Re: [MOPO] Those wascky Warner Bros. Linen lobbies


  Bruce - 

   

  Thanks for this . makes perfect sense. 

   

  Does anyone know though if warners issued flat lobbies for the 30's classics 
for anyone other than Errol Flynn?

   

  And Virginia City was released in 1940. Has anyone ever seen or have a linen 
lobby for this title? Just curious as I've had a few cards over the years and 
none were linen. My searches of major auction houses also don't seem to specify 
linen, so no definite answers there.

   

  Thanks to anyone who can help.

   

  Darcy

   

  From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Richard 
Halegua Comic Art
  Sent: December 13, 2010 1:09 PM
  To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
  Subject: Re: [MOPO] Those wascky Warner Bros. Linen lobbies

   

  so does that mean that my Juke Girl lobbies that are not linen paper might be 
first release lobbies as well??




  At 04:05 AM 12/13/2010, Bruce Hershenson wrote:



  Darcy

  Great topic, especially if it will cause some dealers to quit saying the flat 
cards from 1930s titles are original release! On movies that were originally 
released in 1940 and earlier, I would say there is no chance the flat cards are 
first release, but there is some doubt on movies that were originally released 
in 1941 or 1942 (on those it is possible they made both flat and linen at the 
same time).

  After Pearl Harbor, most of Warner Bros top stars enlisted in the Armed 
Forces (likely partly due to their patriotism, and partly due to the top income 
tax rate of 88% imposed in 1942 (it went to 94% in 1944)! Many of them were 
immediately made officers and got cushy jobs in the military but a few asked 
for and received combat duty.

  That left the studios (and Warner Bros in particular) in a bind, because the 
movies they made with their second tier stars were not nearly as popular as 
their product of the mid-to-late 1930s. So they re-released their top movies 
from that period.

  I am not sure where the 1942 came from (all of these re-releases were undated 
to the best of my knowledge), but  they are surely from between 1942 and 1945 
or so, when the stars returned home.

  We always record handwritten NSS info from movie paper (sometimes they would 
assign numbers to items that were printed without them, for filing purposes, 
and that can be invaluable in exactly dating re-releases) but I don't recall 
seeing one on one of these.

  I am sure Ron Moore, Grey Smith or Ed Poole will have more light to shed on 
this subject!

  On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 12:28 AM, Darcy and Tracey Craig 
 wrote:

  Hello all - 

   

  I was speaking with another longtime collection a few weeks back and decided 
to post on a topic I know has been discussed, but not sure if any resolution 
came.

   

  When I started collecting relatively seriously, it was around 1981. I was 
after lobbies from the Errol Flynn classics of the 1930's, among other things. 

   

  When you'd come across a card that was "flat" rather than linen, no one 
really knew why. It was assumed they were from the same original release. but. 
maybe not.  

   

  A few years ago Heritage auctioned some flat Robin Hood lobbies and said they 
were R42. I have now seen other dealers with similar lobbies state the same. 
While I don't doubt this, we were wondering how this R42 designation came to 
be. I have also seen other flat lobbies from the likes of the Sea Hawk also 
labeled as R42. Is this confirmation coming from pressbooks from reissues? Or???

   

  Was it only Flynn that had reissues of linen cards on flat paper? Or did 
other Warner Bros stars also have this? And was it only for reissues from 1942? 
I know for Flynn. the card styles themselves changed a lot in other reissues. 

   

  And are there Virginia City cards on linen as well as flat? I have only seen 
flat for this title?

   

  Thanks to anyone who can help!

   

  Darcy

   

   

   

   

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Re: [MOPO] Those wascky Warner Bros. Linen lobbies

[Darcy and Tracey Craig]

Bruce - 

 

Thanks for this . makes perfect sense. 

 

Does anyone know though if warners issued flat lobbies for the 30's classics
for anyone other than Errol Flynn?

 

And Virginia City was released in 1940. Has anyone ever seen or have a linen
lobby for this title? Just curious as I've had a few cards over the years
and none were linen. My searches of major auction houses also don't seem to
specify linen, so no definite answers there.

 

Thanks to anyone who can help.

 

Darcy

 

From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Richard
Halegua Comic Art
Sent: December 13, 2010 1:09 PM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Those wascky Warner Bros. Linen lobbies

 

so does that mean that my Juke Girl lobbies that are not linen paper might
be first release lobbies as well??




At 04:05 AM 12/13/2010, Bruce Hershenson wrote:



Darcy

Great topic, especially if it will cause some dealers to quit saying the
flat cards from 1930s titles are original release! On movies that were
originally released in 1940 and earlier, I would say there is no chance the
flat cards are first release, but there is some doubt on movies that were
originally released in 1941 or 1942 (on those it is possible they made both
flat and linen at the same time).

After Pearl Harbor, most of Warner Bros top stars enlisted in the Armed
Forces (likely partly due to their patriotism, and partly due to the top
income tax rate of 88% imposed in 1942 (it went to 94% in 1944)! Many of
them were immediately made officers and got cushy jobs in the military but a
few asked for and received combat duty.

That left the studios (and Warner Bros in particular) in a bind, because the
movies they made with their second tier stars were not nearly as popular as
their product of the mid-to-late 1930s. So they re-released their top movies
from that period.

I am not sure where the 1942 came from (all of these re-releases were
undated to the best of my knowledge), but  they are surely from between 1942
and 1945 or so, when the stars returned home.

We always record handwritten NSS info from movie paper (sometimes they would
assign numbers to items that were printed without them, for filing purposes,
and that can be invaluable in exactly dating re-releases) but I don't recall
seeing one on one of these.

I am sure Ron Moore, Grey Smith or Ed Poole will have more light to shed on
this subject!

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 12:28 AM, Darcy and Tracey Craig
 wrote:

Hello all - 

 

I was speaking with another longtime collection a few weeks back and decided
to post on a topic I know has been discussed, but not sure if any resolution
came.

 

When I started collecting relatively seriously, it was around 1981. I was
after lobbies from the Errol Flynn classics of the 1930's, among other
things. 

 

When you'd come across a card that was "flat" rather than linen, no one
really knew why. It was assumed they were from the same original release.
but. maybe not.  

 

A few years ago Heritage auctioned some flat Robin Hood lobbies and said
they were R42. I have now seen other dealers with similar lobbies state the
same. While I don't doubt this, we were wondering how this R42 designation
came to be. I have also seen other flat lobbies from the likes of the Sea
Hawk also labeled as R42. Is this confirmation coming from pressbooks from
reissues? Or???

 

Was it only Flynn that had reissues of linen cards on flat paper? Or did
other Warner Bros stars also have this? And was it only for reissues from
1942? I know for Flynn. the card styles themselves changed a lot in other
reissues. 

 

And are there Virginia City cards on linen as well as flat? I have only seen
flat for this title?

 

Thanks to anyone who can help!

 

Darcy

 

 

 

 

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Re: [MOPO] Those wascky Warner Bros. Linen lobbies

[Richard Halegua Comic Art]

so does that mean that my Juke Girl lobbies that 
are not linen paper might be first release lobbies as well??





At 04:05 AM 12/13/2010, Bruce Hershenson wrote:

Darcy

Great topic, especially if it will cause some 
dealers to quit saying the flat cards from 1930s 
titles are original release! On movies that were 
originally released in 1940 and earlier, I would 
say there is no chance the flat cards are first 
release, but there is some doubt on movies that 
were originally released in 1941 or 1942 (on 
those it is possible they made both flat and linen at the same time).


After Pearl Harbor, most of Warner Bros top 
stars enlisted in the Armed Forces (likely 
partly due to their patriotism, and partly due 
to the top income tax rate of 88% imposed in 
1942 (it went to 94% in 1944)! Many of them were 
immediately made officers and got cushy jobs in 
the military but a few asked for and received combat duty.


That left the studios (and Warner Bros in 
particular) in a bind, because the movies they 
made with their second tier stars were not 
nearly as popular as their product of the 
mid-to-late 1930s. So they re-released their top movies from that period.


I am not sure where the 1942 came from (all of 
these re-releases were undated to the best of my 
knowledge), but  they are surely from between 
1942 and 1945 or so, when the stars returned home.


We always record handwritten NSS info from movie 
paper (sometimes they would assign numbers to 
items that were printed without them, for filing 
purposes, and that can be invaluable in exactly 
dating re-releases) but I don't recall seeing one on one of these.


I am sure Ron Moore, Grey Smith or Ed Poole will 
have more light to shed on this subject!


On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 12:28 AM, Darcy and 
Tracey Craig <swe...@planet.eon.net> wrote:


Hello all –



I was speaking with another longtime collection 
a few weeks back and decided to post on a topic 
I know has been discussed, but not sure if any resolution came.




When I started collecting relatively seriously, 
it was around 1981. I was after lobbies from the 
Errol Flynn classics of the 1930’s, among other things.




When you’d come across a card that was “flat” 
rather than linen, no one really knew why. It 
was assumed they were from the same original release… but… maybe not.




A few years ago Heritage auctioned some flat 
Robin Hood lobbies and said they were R42. I 
have now seen other dealers with similar lobbies 
state the same. While I don’t doubt this, we 
were wondering how this R42 designation came to 
be. I have also seen other flat lobbies from the 
likes of the Sea Hawk also labeled as R42. Is 
this confirmation coming from pressbooks from reissues? Or???




Was it only Flynn that had reissues of linen 
cards on flat paper? Or did other Warner Bros 
stars also have this? And was it only for 
reissues from 1942? I know for Flynn… the card 
styles themselves changed a lot in other reissues.




And are there Virginia City cards on linen as 
well as flat? I have only seen flat for this title?




Thanks to anyone who can help!



Darcy








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Re: [MOPO] Those wascky Warner Bros. Linen lobbies

[Bruce Hershenson]

Darcy

Great topic, especially if it will cause some dealers to quit saying the
flat cards from 1930s titles are original release! On movies that were
originally released in 1940 and earlier, I would say there is no chance the
flat cards are first release, but there is some doubt on movies that were
originally released in 1941 or 1942 (on those it is possible they made both
flat and linen at the same time).

After Pearl Harbor, most of Warner Bros top stars enlisted in the Armed
Forces (likely partly due to their patriotism, and partly due to the top
income tax rate of 88% imposed in 1942 (it went to 94% in 1944)! Many of
them were immediately made officers and got cushy jobs in the military but a
few asked for and received combat duty.

That left the studios (and Warner Bros in particular) in a bind, because the
movies they made with their second tier stars were not nearly as popular as
their product of the mid-to-late 1930s. So they re-released their top movies
from that period.

I am not sure where the 1942 came from (all of these re-releases were
undated to the best of my knowledge), but  they are surely from between 1942
and 1945 or so, when the stars returned home.

We always record handwritten NSS info from movie paper (sometimes they would
assign numbers to items that were printed without them, for filing purposes,
and that can be invaluable in exactly dating re-releases) but I don't recall
seeing one on one of these.

I am sure Ron Moore, Grey Smith or Ed Poole will have more light to shed on
this subject!

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 12:28 AM, Darcy and Tracey Craig <
swe...@planet.eon.net> wrote:

> Hello all –
>
>
>
> I was speaking with another longtime collection a few weeks back and
> decided to post on a topic I know has been discussed, but not sure if any
> resolution came.
>
>
>
> When I started collecting relatively seriously, it was around 1981. I was
> after lobbies from the Errol Flynn classics of the 1930’s, among other
> things.
>
>
>
> When you’d come across a card that was “flat” rather than linen, no one
> really knew why. It was assumed they were from the same original release…
> but… maybe not.
>
>
>
> A few years ago Heritage auctioned some flat Robin Hood lobbies and said
> they were R42. I have now seen other dealers with similar lobbies state the
> same. While I don’t doubt this, we were wondering how this R42 designation
> came to be. I have also seen other flat lobbies from the likes of the Sea
> Hawk also labeled as R42. Is this confirmation coming from pressbooks from
> reissues? Or???
>
>
>
> Was it only Flynn that had reissues of linen cards on flat paper? Or did
> other Warner Bros stars also have this? And was it only for reissues from
> 1942? I know for Flynn… the card styles themselves changed a lot in other
> reissues.
>
>
>
> And are there Virginia City cards on linen as well as flat? I have only
> seen flat for this title?
>
>
>
> Thanks to anyone who can help!
>
>
>
> Darcy
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[MOPO] Those wascky Warner Bros. Linen lobbies

[Darcy and Tracey Craig]

Hello all - 

 

I was speaking with another longtime collection a few weeks back and decided
to post on a topic I know has been discussed, but not sure if any resolution
came.

 

When I started collecting relatively seriously, it was around 1981. I was
after lobbies from the Errol Flynn classics of the 1930's, among other
things. 

 

When you'd come across a card that was "flat" rather than linen, no one
really knew why. It was assumed they were from the same original release.
but. maybe not.  

 

A few years ago Heritage auctioned some flat Robin Hood lobbies and said
they were R42. I have now seen other dealers with similar lobbies state the
same. While I don't doubt this, we were wondering how this R42 designation
came to be. I have also seen other flat lobbies from the likes of the Sea
Hawk also labeled as R42. Is this confirmation coming from pressbooks from
reissues? Or???

 

Was it only Flynn that had reissues of linen cards on flat paper? Or did
other Warner Bros stars also have this? And was it only for reissues from
1942? I know for Flynn. the card styles themselves changed a lot in other
reissues. 

 

And are there Virginia City cards on linen as well as flat? I have only seen
flat for this title?

 

Thanks to anyone who can help!

 

Darcy

 

 

 

 


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