Re: [MOSAIC] Mosaic Digest, Vol 57, Issue 19 -- Phonics and Middle School

2011-05-23 Thread Michelle Halperinkrain
Thanks for the suggestion  of the REWARDS program.  Just to
clarifywe are not looking to imbed a program into the curriculum --
we are targeting specific groups of students based on data so we can
meet the needs a specific groups of students.

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: suggestions - Just Words  REWARDS (CAG)
   2. Common Core (Ronald Borchert)
   3. off topic - retirement (Cathy Moore)
   4. selling books (shcohe...@aol.com)
   5. Re: dolch words and automaticity (Charlotte Conley)
   6. Re: selling books (Cathy Moore)
   7. Re: Common Core (sandra.he...@k12.sd.us)
   8. Re: dolch words and automaticity (Tracy Gaestel)
   9. Re: Common Core (Laura Rieben)
  10. Re: Common Core (melody pinkston)
  11. Re: Common Core (kaui norton)
  12. Re: off topic - retirement (kinderj...@aol.com)
  13. Re: off topic - retirement (Beverlee Paul)
  14. Reading and Writing Continuums (Conner-Righter, Mary)
  15. Re: Reading and Writing Continuums (jrp...@gmail.com)
  16. (no subject) (Terri)
  17. Re: Reading and Writing Continuums (re...@aol.com)
  18. Re: Reading and Writing Continuums (Conner-Righter, Mary)
  19. PHONICS FOR OLDER STUDENTS (Alice Malmanger)
  20. Re: Reading and Writing Continuums (Ellen Schwartz)
  21. Re: Reading and Writing Continuums (Judy Shenker)
  22. Re: Reading and Writing Continuums (Vickie Julka)
  23. Re: Reading and Writing Continuums (Tamara Westmoreland)


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Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 12:22:42 -0400
From: CAG cag...@myfairpoint.net
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Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] suggestions - Just Words  REWARDS
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I second the Rewards kudos. I hesitated to reply as Judy did, as I don't
use 
it as a 'phonics' program, as Michelle asked. When students have
particular areas of need, I'll target those with speed drills or sorts
as 
well as word work. I have had great success with my middle school
students and Rewards and am looking forward to seeing how the growth 
transfers when we do the last round of Fountas  Pinnell Benchmark 
Assessments.

Cathy

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thelistserve?)


Personally I prefer REWARDS for older readers. - It is published by
Sopris 
West, same people who put out STEP UP TO WRITING - an incredible program
for 
explicitly teaching writing process and text structure. I have had a lot
of 
success with REWARDS, especially for middle school readers.

Judy


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Michelle Halperinkrain
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I need some advice and suggestions.



Is anyone familiar with (or is using) the WILSON Just Words Program?
http://www.wilsonlanguage.com/FS_PROGRAM_WRS.htm   It is a decoding and
spelling program for 4th -13 graders.  We are looking for a remediation
program for our middle school students who have gaps in their phonics
knowledge that is impacting their ability to comprehend.   I would
appreciate any suggestions.



Thank you.





Michelle Halperin-Krain

District Data  Assessment Coordinator

Keansburg School District

mhalperinkr...@keansburg.k12.nj.us
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Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 10:42:12 -0600

Re: [MOSAIC] Reading and Writing Continuums

2011-05-23 Thread V3667
Dear Ellen,
My Name is Valerie Hardy, 8037 S. St. Louis, Chicago,IL, 60652.  I  would 
like a copy of this information and I will reimburse you.
Thank you
 
 
In a message dated 5/22/2011 7:52:50 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
esch...@myfairpoint.net writes:

Mary,

First Steps out of Western Australia had great parent  resources. I 
don't know if that is still published in this country and  whether it 
has been changed over the years. The parent resource had just  the 
sort of description you are looking for. There were also suggestions  
for parents about what they could do to support their child's 
literacy  development at each stage. In fact, the curriculum had a 
whole book called  Parents as Partners.

If you can't find these materials, I may have a  print copy of some of 
the parent materials and could copy and mail it to  you if you send me 
your address off the list.

--Ellen


At  12:19 AM -0400 5/22/11, Conner-Righter, Mary wrote:
I have that book,  but the continuums are a little different from what I'm
looking  for.  I'd like to find a continuum that could be shared  with
parents...here is the approximate stage where your child is  reading...here
is what her reading and writing is like in this  stage...show examples of
student performance to relate to the  descriptors.
Just curious, how do you use the F  P  continuums?


Thanks,
Mary
On Sat, May 21,  2011 at 11:02 PM, jrp...@gmail.com wrote:

   Check out Fountas and Pinnell. You can find their books on the  
Heinemann
  website. They have a book specifically concerning  reading and writing
   continuums.

  Hope this helps. This is my first  time ever responding.
  Sent from my Verizon Wireless  BlackBerry

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  Date:  Sat, 21 May 2011 22:15:19
  To:  Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org
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   mosaic@literacyworkshop.org
  Subject:  [MOSAIC] Reading and Writing Continuums

   Hi,
  I'd like to know if anyone can recommend a resource that  has a reading
  development continuum and/or a writing  development continuum.  These 
would
  be continuums that  define stages of reading/writing development and 
provide
   specifc descriptors of what a child can do at these  stages.

  Thank you,

   Mary
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Re: [MOSAIC] off topic - retirement

2011-05-23 Thread Corbett, Amy L.
Where I live in Baltimore, MD, they have what is called Baltimore Book Bank 
where book stores and/or teachers, families, or anyone that wants to can donate 
their books. Then teachers or anyone working in the educational field can 
purchase books for free.  Books range in age from birth-adult from picture 
books to novels-narrative and expository (all different genres).  They even 
have a professional library for educators.  Do you have something like this 
where you live?  I found out about this place when I was attending graduate 
school.  Hope this helps!
Amy Corbett
Reading Specialist
Featherbed Lane Elementary

Better than a thousand days of diligent study is one day with a great 
teacher. -Japanese proverb

From: mosaic-bounces+acorbett=bcps@literacyworkshop.org 
[mosaic-bounces+acorbett=bcps@literacyworkshop.org] On Behalf Of Beverlee 
Paul [beverleep...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 9:46 PM
To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group
Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] off topic - retirement

Me too. Never thought it would end like this
On May 21, 2011 7:44 PM, kinderj...@aol.com wrote:

 Hey Cathy!
 I am doing the same thing. I have my own Early Childhood library, and it
 sounds like you do, too. I have sold some on Teacher's Bargain Basement.
 I am really not interested in making money, I just want to get them to
 someone who will use them.
 Amazon.com will buy some of them back. I have one that I am sending them
 this week. They then sell them as used books.
 Isn't it weird to be retiring? It is for me!
 Jane in SC :-)


 In a message dated 5/21/2011 2:48:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
 cmoore2...@aol.com writes:

 I hope many of you do not mind me asking an off-topic question. I am
 retiring this year after 35 wonderful years of teaching. Over the years I
have
 collected many (100++) professional books. One of my goals for
 retirement is to clean out my house so naturally I need to send these
books to new
 homes. Does anyone know of a website or a way to sell these books? I have
 thought of putting them all on Library Thing so people could look at them
 and then purchase them. Is there a better way? My love of books makes me
 want someone to have them that would read and enjoy them as much as I
have!
 Cathy



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Re: [MOSAIC] off topic - retirement

2011-05-23 Thread Flemming, Melanie E.
Teacherspayteachers.com

I buy items all the time from the website.  They are terrific and it helps 
teachers out that are looking for different books.

Melanie Flemming
Third Grade
Franklin Elementary School
 

~Developing 21st Century Learners~

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Cathy Moore
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 1:03 PM
To: mosaic@literacyworkshop.org
Subject: [MOSAIC] off topic - retirement


I hope many of you do not mind me asking an off-topic question.  I am retiring 
this year after 35 wonderful years of teaching.  Over the years I have 
collected many (100++) professional books.  One of my goals for retirement is 
to clean out my house so naturally I need to send these books to new homes.  
Does anyone know of a website or a way to sell these books?  I have thought of 
putting them all on Library Thing so people could look at them and then 
purchase them.  Is there a better way?  My love of books makes me want someone 
to have them that would read and enjoy them as much as I have!  
Cathy
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Re: [MOSAIC] off topic - retirement

2011-05-23 Thread Misner, Sarah
Have you considered donating them to the public library?  Some of the
public libraries around me have sections dedicated to teacher resources.
When I was a brand new teacher and couldn't afford to keep buying all
the resources, I found these sections very helpful.

Sarah Misner
Reading Specialist
Montgomery County Intermediate Unit  

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Of Flemming, Melanie E.
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 9:20 AM
To: 'Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group'
Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] off topic - retirement

Teacherspayteachers.com

I buy items all the time from the website.  They are terrific and it
helps teachers out that are looking for different books.

Melanie Flemming
Third Grade
Franklin Elementary School
 

~Developing 21st Century Learners~

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From: mosaic-bounces+mflemming=bcps@literacyworkshop.org
[mailto:mosaic-bounces+mflemming=bcps@literacyworkshop.org] On
Behalf Of Cathy Moore
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2011 1:03 PM
To: mosaic@literacyworkshop.org
Subject: [MOSAIC] off topic - retirement


I hope many of you do not mind me asking an off-topic question.  I am
retiring this year after 35 wonderful years of teaching.  Over the years
I have collected many (100++) professional books.  One of my goals for
retirement is to clean out my house so naturally I need to send these
books to new homes.  Does anyone know of a website or a way to sell
these books?  I have thought of putting them all on Library Thing so
people could look at them and then purchase them.  Is there a better
way?  My love of books makes me want someone to have them that would
read and enjoy them as much as I have!  
Cathy
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Re: [MOSAIC] Common Core - response to feeling the standards arealways helpful

2011-05-23 Thread Mena
OMG...Sally I always refer to the early 90's when I heard Yetta and Kenneth 
Goodman speak at a whole language conference as a born again teacher moment!
Mena
 

 

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Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] Common Core - response to feeling the standards arealways 
helpful


I want to second Sally's invitation. I hope many of you will be able to make 
it. 

Elisa
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 always helpful

Kaui, You actually prove my point in your reply.  I hear that you defer to
the powers that be instead of trusting your own professional knowledge
about teaching and learning.  I understand that you believe you have to do
this for the kids so they will pass the test.  But what if the test is not
worthwhile?  What if it is not helping your kids be the best they can be?

I can hear how much you want to be there for your students and are searching
for answers that will help them, so I offer the following as a possible path
to take in that search.  I well remember MANY TIMES along the way in my own
general when I had to start intensive inquiries into my educational beliefs
and practices.  I call them my born again times (with no disrespect
intended for those to whom is this strictly a religious matter!).

The teachers I network with, the research and informed education news and
current educational books that I read regularly AND just as important what
I've learned from and with children in my many classrooms over the years -
all that tells me that the powers that be don't know very much about
teaching.  And they haven't even tried.  For one thing, they've never even
taught by and large.  They haven't included our best educational leaders and
our best teachers in their planning.  And the tests measure only a
superficial layer of what children need to know to be truly successful
throughout their schooling and lives. This not to even mention the dreadful
consequences of the constant testing time used up and pressures and stress
felt by all.  Standards and testing are going hand and hand in creating this
situation. 

The standards are leading to school experiences that are more and more
fragmented (almost because teachers want them to be more and more specific
sadly - I do understand this urge).  Problem is children do not remember
information which is not experienced in meaningful contexts.  They can learn
it briefly sometimes (the spelling test on Friday is a great example - they
forget it in their writing the next week! The kids that don't forget it by
Monday usually had the words in the first place so the testing didn't really
teach them anything - just gave them a privilege over the others.) Learning
has to really hook to prior schema and hook deep to stay there.  So they
will not actually learn all the separate standards lessons for the test
anyway.

I'd like to invite you to participate in a list serve discussion next week
on email.  It happens 6 - 7:30 pm each day Eastern standard time - adjust in
different time zones.  We will be discussing Ken and Yetta Goodman's
Declaration of Professional Conscience.  This is part II of a previous
discussion a month ago.  That was rich and wide ranging and has led to many
of us joining the challenge of gaining back respect for teachers and
educators who have actually lived their work through the years, committed to
what is best for their students, committed to life long learning and so on.

http://www.rcowen.com/rcoprfdv.htm

The invitation is open to anyone who would like to be included.  It's asked
that you read the Declaration (on the web page announcement) before joining
in.  Even if you won't be home or at your computer, you can sign up and you
will get home to a plethora of emails all discussing back and forth
implications of different issues dealt with in the Declaration.  And you can
add to the discussion your ideas later in the evening, tho some won't be
responded to till the next day.  TLN listserve by the way stands for The
Learning Network.  We have great discussions all the time but these focused
discussion are giving all of us courage and more courage to stand up to
those powers that be that think they know more than we do about children
and teaching 

Re: [MOSAIC] Reading and Writing Continuums

2011-05-23 Thread Conner-Righter, Mary
thank you!

On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Ronald Borchert borchertpa...@gmail.comwrote:

 Lucy Calkins has a personal narrative writing continuum that you can get
 for
 free from this website:


 http://www.readingandwritingproject.com/public/themes/rwproject/resources/assessments/writing/narrative_writing_continuum.pdf

 On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 9:13 AM, Tamara Westmoreland 
 westmoreland.tam...@gmail.com wrote:

  The other one that is really good is First Steps.
 
  On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Conner-Righter, Mary 
  mrigh...@pennsvalley.org wrote:
 
Hi,
   I'd like to know if anyone can recommend a resource that has a reading
   development continuum and/or a writing development continuum.  These
  would
   be continuums that define stages of reading/writing development and
  provide
   specifc descriptors of what a child can do at these stages.
  
   Thank you,
  
   Mary
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Re: [MOSAIC] Reading and Writing Continuums

2011-05-23 Thread Conner-Righter, Mary
Yes, I found a Canadien version with the parent resource...It is exactly
what I'm looking for.  Thanks!  It is published by the Western Australia Co.

On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 8:45 AM, v3...@aol.com wrote:

 Dear Ellen,
 My Name is Valerie Hardy, 8037 S. St. Louis, Chicago,IL, 60652.  I  would
 like a copy of this information and I will reimburse you.
 Thank you


 In a message dated 5/22/2011 7:52:50 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
 esch...@myfairpoint.net writes:

 Mary,

 First Steps out of Western Australia had great parent  resources. I
 don't know if that is still published in this country and  whether it
 has been changed over the years. The parent resource had just  the
 sort of description you are looking for. There were also suggestions
 for parents about what they could do to support their child's
 literacy  development at each stage. In fact, the curriculum had a
 whole book called  Parents as Partners.

 If you can't find these materials, I may have a  print copy of some of
 the parent materials and could copy and mail it to  you if you send me
 your address off the list.

 --Ellen


 At  12:19 AM -0400 5/22/11, Conner-Righter, Mary wrote:
 I have that book,  but the continuums are a little different from what I'm
 looking  for.  I'd like to find a continuum that could be shared  with
 parents...here is the approximate stage where your child is
  reading...here
 is what her reading and writing is like in this  stage...show examples of
 student performance to relate to the  descriptors.
 Just curious, how do you use the F  P  continuums?
 
 
 Thanks,
 Mary
 On Sat, May 21,  2011 at 11:02 PM, jrp...@gmail.com wrote:
 
Check out Fountas and Pinnell. You can find their books on the
 Heinemann
   website. They have a book specifically concerning  reading and writing
continuums.
 
   Hope this helps. This is my first  time ever responding.
   Sent from my Verizon Wireless  BlackBerry
 
   -Original  Message-
   From: Conner-Righter, Mary  mrigh...@pennsvalley.org
   Sender:  mosaic-bounces+jrpean=gmail@literacyworkshop.org
   Date:  Sat, 21 May 2011 22:15:19
   To:  Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org
   Reply-To: Mosaic: A  Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group
mosaic@literacyworkshop.org
   Subject:  [MOSAIC] Reading and Writing Continuums
 
Hi,
   I'd like to know if anyone can recommend a resource that  has a reading
   development continuum and/or a writing  development continuum.  These
 would
   be continuums that  define stages of reading/writing development and
 provide
specifc descriptors of what a child can do at these  stages.
 
   Thank you,
 
Mary
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Re: [MOSAIC] Reading and Writing Continuums

2011-05-23 Thread Conner-Righter, Mary
FP seem to be more oriented to informing teachers what to teach along a
continuum of skill development.  That's just my take...I have the book and
have just read through a few parts.  Well done and very thorough.  However,
thanks to a few of you who referred me to First Steps...these type
of continuums for reading and writing are exactly what I'm looking for.
Leave it to the Aussies!



On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Judy Shenker jshen...@lcc.ca wrote:

 I second Mary's request for information concerning the actual use of F 
 P's continuums. I would appreciate any real research to practice advice on
 this. So far, I honestly have not found their continuums as helpful as
 claimed and think I must be missing something as they are referred to all
 the time both on this listserve and in the literature.
 Thank- you.
 Judy

 Sent from my iPhone

 On 2011-05-22, at 12:37 AM, Conner-Righter, Mary 
 mrigh...@pennsvalley.org wrote:

 I have that book, but the continuums are a little different from what I'm
 looking for.  I'd like to find a continuum that could be shared with
 parents...here is the approximate stage where your child is reading...here
 is what her reading and writing is like in this stage...show examples of
 student performance to relate to the descriptors.
 Just curious, how do you use the F  P continuums?


 Thanks,
 Mary
 On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 11:02 PM, jrp...@gmail.com wrote:

 Check out Fountas and Pinnell. You can find their books on the Heinemann
 website. They have a book specifically concerning reading and writing
 continuums.

 Hope this helps. This is my first time ever responding.
 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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 Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 22:15:19
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  mosaic@literacyworkshop.org
 Subject: [MOSAIC] Reading and Writing Continuums

 Hi,
 I'd like to know if anyone can recommend a resource that has a reading
 development continuum and/or a writing development continuum.  These
 would
 be continuums that define stages of reading/writing development and
 provide
 specifc descriptors of what a child can do at these stages.

 Thank you,

 Mary
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Re: [MOSAIC] Reading and Writing Continuums

2011-05-23 Thread Troy F
The Fountas/Pinnell Continuum of Literacy Learning does this. It comes with 
their Benchmark reading system and their LLI system. They have a K-2 book and a 
3-8 grade book. You can order it from Heinemin.

Troy Fredde

On May 21, 2011, at 9:15 PM, Conner-Righter, Mary mrigh...@pennsvalley.org 
wrote:

 Hi,
 I'd like to know if anyone can recommend a resource that has a reading
 development continuum and/or a writing development continuum.  These would
 be continuums that define stages of reading/writing development and provide
 specifc descriptors of what a child can do at these stages.
 
 Thank you,
 
 Mary
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Re: [MOSAIC] Common Core - response to feeling the standards are always helpful

2011-05-23 Thread Maureen Morrissey
Sally,
great response, I hope Kaui and others read it and it makes them think: why
did I go into teaching in the first place? To spoonfeed pap to my students
or to make a difference in their lives? To help them pass a test or to help
them develop into lifelong learners, thinkers, readers. I'm afraid we cannot
have it both ways.  It's sad to me that the question authority days are over
and many in the profession are deferring to the powers that be.  We are the
educated educators; we are the professionals who should be lifelong learners
and reflective practicioners.  We need to take back the educating of our
students, even if we have to start grassroots again  like in the '80s.
Maureen
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Re: [MOSAIC] Common Core - response to feeling the standards are always helpful

2011-05-23 Thread Melinda Jurus
Hi all,

I'm enjoying reading all of the viewpoints on the Common Core Standards.
Here is a question that I've always had in regard to the standards.  Either
my district, my state or my country is choosing the standards that our
students will be learning that year.  So no matter what, someone is making a
decision on the course of learning for my grade level next year.  What is
the difference if it's done by my district vs. the federal level?  When I
compare the state/district standards to the Common Core they're not really
that different, other than the Common Core have less individual indicators.

Currently, I use my state standards. Soon I'll use the federal standards.
Either way, I'm teaching them what a citizen needs to do well in life and in
this country.  With any standards I teach, I'm guiding them to question,
think and read.   We don't learn the material for the test.  We learn the
material because it's interesting, but also because more of their life will
make sense if they understand these key concepts.

I'm just wondering what I'm missing when I hear people upset that we'll all
have the same standards, even though each one of our students already
follows *somebody's* idea of what's important.  Why not have it be common to
everyone?  I don't feel like I'm not educating my students if I'm feeding
them the Common Core Standards.  It's just a slightly different set of
standards.

I'm really curious about this, and hope it didn't come across as defensive.

Thanks in advance for your insight,
Mindy

On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Maureen Morrissey 
maureen.morriss...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sally,
 great response, I hope Kaui and others read it and it makes them think: why
 did I go into teaching in the first place? To spoonfeed pap to my students
 or to make a difference in their lives? To help them pass a test or to help
 them develop into lifelong learners, thinkers, readers. I'm afraid we
 cannot
 have it both ways.  It's sad to me that the question authority days are
 over
 and many in the profession are deferring to the powers that be.  We are the
 educated educators; we are the professionals who should be lifelong
 learners
 and reflective practicioners.  We need to take back the educating of our
 students, even if we have to start grassroots again  like in the '80s.
 Maureen
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Re: [MOSAIC] Common Core - response to feeling the standards are always helpful

2011-05-23 Thread John L. Perry
As if on cue, Marion Brady's latest piece has shown up on the Washington
Post The Answer Sheet blog. He directly addresses the very issue of
standards we've been discussing. This is a must read!!

Regards,
John

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/post/wrong-question-wrong-a
nswer/2011/05/22/AFZ5hS9G_blog.html



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Behalf Of Maureen Morrissey
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 6:08 PM
To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group
Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] Common Core - response to feeling the standards are
always helpful

Sally,
great response, I hope Kaui and others read it and it makes them think: why
did I go into teaching in the first place? 




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Re: [MOSAIC] Common Core - response to feeling the standards are always helpful

2011-05-23 Thread Maureen Morrissey
Practitioners...should have used spelling check :)

On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Maureen Morrissey 
maureen.morriss...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sally,
 great response, I hope Kaui and others read it and it makes them think: why
 did I go into teaching in the first place? To spoonfeed pap to my students
 or to make a difference in their lives? To help them pass a test or to help
 them develop into lifelong learners, thinkers, readers. I'm afraid we cannot
 have it both ways.  It's sad to me that the question authority days are over
 and many in the profession are deferring to the powers that be.  We are the
 educated educators; we are the professionals who should be lifelong learners
 and reflective practicioners.  We need to take back the educating of our
 students, even if we have to start grassroots again  like in the '80s.
 Maureen

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Re: [MOSAIC] Common Core - response to feeling the standards are always helpful

2011-05-23 Thread Mena
I loved teaching in the 80's ..I loved the grassroots, whole language 
movement...but nowadays we have to be careful even about grassroots movements! 
I read on another LISTSERV that some in the Billionaire's Boy's Club are 
financing grassroots movements. So be careful that you find out who is behind 
a grassroots movement. It was a lot easier to tell the good guys back in the 
80s. Mena

 

 

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College of Education
2912 College Ave. ES 214
Davie, FL  33314
Phone:  954-236-1070  
Fax:  954-236-1050
 

 

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To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group 
mosaic@literacyworkshop.org
Sent: Mon, May 23, 2011 6:07 pm
Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] Common Core - response to feeling the standards are 
always helpful


Sally,
great response, I hope Kaui and others read it and it makes them think: why
did I go into teaching in the first place? To spoonfeed pap to my students
or to make a difference in their lives? To help them pass a test or to help
them develop into lifelong learners, thinkers, readers. I'm afraid we cannot
have it both ways.  It's sad to me that the question authority days are over
and many in the profession are deferring to the powers that be.  We are the
educated educators; we are the professionals who should be lifelong learners
and reflective practicioners.  We need to take back the educating of our
students, even if we have to start grassroots again  like in the '80s.
Maureen
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Re: [MOSAIC] Common Core - response to feeling the standards are always helpful

2011-05-23 Thread Lise
Another  great article. Remember; knowledge is power.

http://susanohanian.org/show_research.php?id=419

Lise



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Re: [MOSAIC] Common Core - response to feeling the standards are always helpful

2011-05-23 Thread kaui norton
Mahalo Melinda.  I appreciate all the comments I have read regarding standards. 
 I never realized it was such a hot topic.  I suppose, in education, we will 
always have differences of opinion which, isn't necessarily a bad thing.  Isn't 
thinking for oneself, being an independent learner and using critical thinking 
skills important concepts we try to teach our students?
For me, however, the standards are not the enemy.  How we teach them is.  I 
don't quite understand why so many believe we cannot teach and our students 
cannot learn what they need to if we teach standard based lessons?  I have 
never felt my hands were tied.  I still teach the same, but in a more focused 
manner.  I don't believe being more focused is a bad thing.  I think teachers 
need to really take a look at how they are teaching if they are so frustrated 
with what they are teaching.
I believe, every philosophy of teaching has it's problems.  There is no ONE 
right way.  As an educator I try to figure out ways to meet the learning types 
of each of my students.  Having a more specific notion of what to teach doesn't 
confine me, but instead, helps me to work what I am teaching around it.  I 
still use all the same strategies.  I still have whole group, small group, 
individual groups.  I still use art, music, and P.E. to help cement the 
concepts they are learning.  
Again, I am very appreciative of all the comments, but I would, still, have to 
disagree with the idea that standards based learning is the problem with our 
educational system.  The picture is much bigger than that, and teachers play a 
huge part in it.
Kau'i =-)
--- On Mon, 5/23/11, Melinda Jurus mindy...@gmail.com wrote:

From: Melinda Jurus mindy...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] Common Core - response to feeling the standards are 
always helpful
To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group 
mosaic@literacyworkshop.org
Date: Monday, May 23, 2011, 12:33 PM

Hi all,

I'm enjoying reading all of the viewpoints on the Common Core Standards.
Here is a question that I've always had in regard to the standards.  Either
my district, my state or my country is choosing the standards that our
students will be learning that year.  So no matter what, someone is making a
decision on the course of learning for my grade level next year.  What is
the difference if it's done by my district vs. the federal level?  When I
compare the state/district standards to the Common Core they're not really
that different, other than the Common Core have less individual indicators.

Currently, I use my state standards. Soon I'll use the federal standards.
Either way, I'm teaching them what a citizen needs to do well in life and in
this country.  With any standards I teach, I'm guiding them to question,
think and read.   We don't learn the material for the test.  We learn the
material because it's interesting, but also because more of their life will
make sense if they understand these key concepts.

I'm just wondering what I'm missing when I hear people upset that we'll all
have the same standards, even though each one of our students already
follows *somebody's* idea of what's important.  Why not have it be common to
everyone?  I don't feel like I'm not educating my students if I'm feeding
them the Common Core Standards.  It's just a slightly different set of
standards.

I'm really curious about this, and hope it didn't come across as defensive.

Thanks in advance for your insight,
Mindy

On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Maureen Morrissey 
maureen.morriss...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sally,
 great response, I hope Kaui and others read it and it makes them think: why
 did I go into teaching in the first place? To spoonfeed pap to my students
 or to make a difference in their lives? To help them pass a test or to help
 them develop into lifelong learners, thinkers, readers. I'm afraid we
 cannot
 have it both ways.  It's sad to me that the question authority days are
 over
 and many in the profession are deferring to the powers that be.  We are the
 educated educators; we are the professionals who should be lifelong
 learners
 and reflective practicioners.  We need to take back the educating of our
 students, even if we have to start grassroots again  like in the '80s.
 Maureen
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