Re: [MOSAIC] Building comprehensionofquestions-washeartbreak/response to R...
Your questions below lead me to think that what could be affecting the scores the way that DI people want them to go is to make sure that teachers follow the program with fidelity...and that's why they need fidelity police in schools. Of course, this would make an interesting research study. What of teachers who are supposed to be doing DI with fidelity but then don't? How do their children do on the DI tests? How do their children do on other tests? How much do the DI'd children like learning and coming to school? How many of us, in fact, have classrooms of perfectly behaved children who can repeat, repeat, repeat until they get things right? I better stop here before I gag on my breakfast. Thanks again, Nancy. Elisa Elisa Waingort Grade 2 Spanish Bilingual Dalhousie Elementary Calgary, Canada The best and most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen or even touched. They must be felt within the heart. —Helen Keller Visit my blog, A Teacher's Ruminations, and post a message. http://waingortgrade2spanishbilingual.blogspot.com/ There has been some follow up research ( some in Scotland) but nothing as large as Follow Through. Another thought that your question brought to mind, is the ability grouping that is done in DI. When I went to observe a DI school, there were four second grades in which students were placed by ability, then within those second grades the students were divided into four ability groups. How did that affect the research results? Another thing to throw into the mix is the importance of correct pronunciation of the words. If children read the words incorrectly, the sentence is reread and reread until it is read precisely ( you might want to check Precision Teaching). So, is it the phonics scripts that make the difference? The decodable text? Or is it the two grownups that affect the results? Is it the compliance? Is it the ability grouping? Is it the rereading? Is it the coloring of the worksheets that the students do that are not in the reading group at that time? ( Isn't coloring supposed to be therapeutic?) Research with little kids is messy, like I said. Nancy In a message dated 2/22/2009 12:37:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, elwaingor...@cbe.ab.ca writes: Good comments, Nancy. I was not aware of the two teacher in the classroom requirement. Does any classroom have this for long?? It would make sense that the kids do better or respond better with two adults in the classroom than just one. And, I think doing DI in a classroom of children who have been exposed to teaching and learning that promotes questioning would be interesting. Has there been follow-up research done to the 40-year old study? Elisa Elisa Waingort Grade 2 Spanish Bilingual Dalhousie Elementary Calgary, Canada **Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agenciesncid=emlcntusyelp 0003) ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. **Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agenciesncid=emlcntusyelp0003) ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
Re: [MOSAIC] Building comprehensionofquestions-washeartbreak/response to R...
Yes Lori Jackson District Literacy Coach and Mentor Todd County School District Box 87 Mission SD 5755 - Original message - From: Felicia Barra fcbsm...@optonline.net To: 'Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group' mosaic@literacyworkshop.org Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] Building comprehensionofquestions-washeartbreak/response to R... Lori, Just curious, do you have full day kindergarten? -Original Message- From: mosaic-boun...@literacyworkshop.org [mailto:mosaic-boun...@literacyworkshop.org] On Behalf Of Ljackson Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 9:33 AM To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] Building comprehension of questions-washeartbreak/response to R... We have seen some amazing results this year in kindergarten classrooms using No More Letter of The Week as a means of introducing and building letter-sound associations in combination with a guided writing approach that emphasizes shared composition and teacher modeling of invented spelling (that becomes more sophisticated across the year). I have been monitoring the data very closely and though this is simply comparison of existing measures, what we see is compelling. In our two classrooms where teachers have fully implemented, in collaboration here are some of our celebrations: The highest levels of letter recognition AND sound association; more than 75% of each classroom meeting mid-year benchmarks for proficiency in reading; in one classroom, all but one child scored 3 or 4 on a four point rubric for writing in use across the district (where, in the past, kinders rarely score higher than 1)--the other classroom has no 1's and about one third scoring two with the rest scoring 3's (both teachers were so in awe of their own results that they asked that the pieces be blind-scored by myself and two other teachers and the results held up); Gentry's Monster test results showed all that 22 of 23 and 19 of 25 children were advanced spellers, performing at end of kindergarten to mid first grade when scored in early January. Those who know me know the challenges of reaching and teaching children in our setting and this has been such an exciting year. I have to say that this, in combination with strategy work, is the most promising news we have had for our early readers in years. And, joyfully, these rooms are still the picture of what I would hope early childhood should be--playful, age-appropriate with a sense of playing at learning rather the kinds of environments that feel as though we are stripping children of childhood. Lori Jackson District Literacy Coach and Mentor Todd County School District Box 87 Mission SD 5755 - Original message - From: creeche...@aol.com To: mosaic@literacyworkshop.org Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] Building comprehension of questions-washeartbreak/response to R... In a message dated 2/20/2009 7:44:26 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, elwaingor...@cbe.ab.ca writes: what does the independent research say about Direct Instruction programs Elisa, I did some research on this exact question in my dissertation. I could write about it for hours (actually I did!), but what I found in a very limited nutshell, was that in kindergarten intervention students, DI works teaching children to decode. It did not make a difference in comprehension. In first grade intervention students, writing workshop worked just as well as DI in teaching children to decode and that the children also became better writers! I did a lot of reading of the research Amy cited, Project Follow Through, and it had some major flaws. DI people rely heavily on Follow Through research, which is now over 40 years old. Nancy **Need a job? Find an employment agency near you. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agenciesncid=emlcntusye lp0003) ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com
Re: [MOSAIC] Building comprehensionofquestions-washeartbreak/response to R...
Okay. Beating a dead horse. I want to thank the person who just wrote in defending the DI conversation. I don't even use DI but I understand the need to voice your opinion. I just joined the listserv and I LOVE IT. I'm glad you gave the reason for the listserv and from now on I will keep my comments in this area. But for all the teachers with the DI conversation I know how you feel. It's hard going against what your district is buying and forcing you to use when you know in your heart it just doesn't feel right. I've been in this position many times and just believe that when you get over the initial shock YOU WILL FIND A WAY TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT FOR YOUR STUDENTS. Okay, no more DI conversation from me. Thanks! Dee -Original Message- From: mosaic-boun...@literacyworkshop.org [mailto:mosaic-boun...@literacyworkshop.org] On Behalf Of Waingort Jimenez, Elisa Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 8:47 AM To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] Building comprehensionofquestions-washeartbreak/response to R... OK, Lori. Now, please do tell us more about No More Letter of the Week. Thanks, Elisa Elisa Waingort Grade 2 Spanish Bilingual Dalhousie Elementary Calgary, Canada The best and most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen or even touched. They must be felt within the heart. -Helen Keller Visit my blog, A Teacher's Ruminations, and post a message. http://waingortgrade2spanishbilingual.blogspot.com/ We have seen some amazing results this year in kindergarten classrooms using No More Letter of The Week as a means of introducing and building letter-sound associations in combination with a guided writing approach that emphasizes shared composition and teacher modeling of invented spelling (that becomes more sophisticated across the year). This e-mail message contains information that may be privileged or confidential and is the property of the Board of Education of Deerfield Public School District No. 109. It is intended only for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy, disseminate, distribute, or use this message or any part thereof. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete all copies of this message. ___ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org. Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive.
