[mou-net] Buff-breasted Sandpipers at Jirik Sod Farm
Last night (Sunday) at about 8pm I checked out Jirik Sod Farms in Empire Township east of Farmington in central Dakota County (Blaine Ave (CR79) south of 200th St. (CR66). I found Killdeer, Pectoral Sandpipers, both Yellowlegs, Solitary Sandpiper, Baird's, Semi-palmated Sandpiper, and five Buff-breasted Sandpipers. Steve Weston on Quiggley Lake in Eagan, MN swest...@comcast.net Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html
Re: [mou-net] More wasted birder energy focused on a hunting issue (SHCR)
I am not, nor ever have been anti-hunting (and yes, I buy duck stamps, support the Nature Conservancy, etc.). I was dismayed that the decision seemed not open to a discussion, or at least a well-publicized presentation, of rationale for the decision (other than "other states do it".) Like Richard, I wondered how hunters would know the difference between the members of the two populations; honestly, I didn't even realize there was such a clear distinction to be made. It will be interesting to see what the current MN Breeding Bird Atlas project will tell us about how the Sandhill Cranes are distributed for nesting. It's that kind of wide, long-term, data-gathering would seem important as a basis for the kind of decision in question. Perhaps that sort of information is available, but folks making the policies just haven't communicated it well Linda Whyte On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Bernard P. Friel wrote: > The process is for among other matters to share information and to ally any > concerns, reasonable or unreasonable that someone might have regarding > impacts on populations. Furthermore if our science is as unassailable as has > been suggested, we wouldn't be cleaning up the Gulf. > -- > Bernard P. Friel > Member: > North American Nature Photography Association > American Society of Picture Professionals > International Society of Aviation Photography > The Explorers Club > Web Pages - http://www.wampy.com ; > http://www.wampy.com/bn Owl Gallery > http://www.wampy.com/bn2 Songbirds > http://www.wampy.com/GalapagosGallery > http://myloupe.com/home/found_photographer.php?photographer=1113 > On Line Gallery: http://www.fiveships.com > > > > >> From: Eric Harrold >> Reply-To: Eric Harrold >> Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:49:25 -0700 >> To: >> Subject: Re: [mou-net] More wasted birder energy focused on a hunting issue >> (SHCR) >> >> I don't buy the notion that MOST birders objecting to the crane season on >> this >> forum are doing so because of perceived circumvention of the process by the >> DNR. Do they really think the DNR would propose a season or set bag limits >> that would seriously threaten breeding crane populations? I think this is a >> convenient position to claim that disguises the real motivation to prevent >> any >> hunting of cranes on the part of some folks. Otherwise, the voiced objections >> on here would contain more intelligent questions about crane populations and >> their distribution in the state where hunting has been proposed. Instead, all >> anyone has done is cry foul about the process. I asked the following question >> in one of my first posts on this subject: Does anyone have any >> biologically-based objections to the proposed harvest? >> >> Does the DNR or USFWS conduct many/any public hearings concerning waterfowl >> season? Few to my knowledge. The flyway councils appropriately have >> significant input on such proposed seasons and take positions that are >> biologically-based. the individuals making the policy decisions here are the >> best prepared to make such decisions and do so from a scientific perspective. >> >> Eric Harrold >> Urbana, IL >> >> >> --- On Mon, 7/26/10, Liz Stanley wrote: >> >> >> From: Liz Stanley >> Subject: Re: [mou-net] More wasted birder energy focused on a hunting issue >> (SHCR) >> To: MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU >> Date: Monday, July 26, 2010, 1:18 PM >> >> >> I must have missed the part of the discussion that was anti-hunting. I >> thought the issue at hand was the lack of an open process for the decision >> made by the DNR. Discussing problems with the process, and debating the >> end result of it are two different things. >> >>> Folks, >>> >>> Do yourselves and more importantly bird conservation a lot of good by >>> finding something more biologically meaningful to focus on rather than >>> whether 5 or 10 Sandhill Cranes are going to be killed by hunters in >> >> >> -- >> Liz Stanley >> Bloomington, MN >> l...@lizstanley.com >> Backyard weather and feedercam: http://www.overlookcircle.org/ >> Photo gallery: http://www.pbase.com/gymell/liz_favorites >> Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/lizmstanley >> >> >> Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net >> Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html >> >> >> Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net >> Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > > > > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html
Re: [mou-net] More wasted birder energy focused on a hunting issue (SHCR)
I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. I would guess that indeed most birders would oppose a crane hunt and- would like a public process to express their opinion as well as to ask questions regarding the hunt. As residents and tax payers, I believe they are entitled to expect as much. In much the same way, I would imagine that if the DNR suddenly closed the duck season, hunters such as yourself would oppose the move and would like an opportunity to be heard on the issue. Just a guess. There probably aren't any biologically-based reasons to oppose the hunting of Cranes -or Yellow Warblers (I hear they taste like chicken) but some might object. Their opinions are no less valid than yours. Kurt On 7/26/10 5:49 PM, "Eric Harrold" wrote: > I don't buy the notion that MOST birders objecting to the crane season on this > forum are doing so because of perceived circumvention of the process by the > DNR. Do they really think the DNR would propose a season or set bag limits > that would seriously threaten breeding crane populations? I think this is a > convenient position to claim that disguises the real motivation to prevent any > hunting of cranes on the part of some folks. Otherwise, the voiced objections > on here would contain more intelligent questions about crane populations and > their distribution in the state where hunting has been proposed. Instead, all > anyone has done is cry foul about the process. I asked the following question > in one of my first posts on this subject: Does anyone have any > biologically-based objections to the proposed harvest? > > Does the DNR or USFWS conduct many/any public hearings concerning waterfowl > season? Few to my knowledge. The flyway councils appropriately have > significant input on such proposed seasons and take positions that are > biologically-based. the individuals making the policy decisions here are the > best prepared to make such decisions and do so from a scientific perspective. > > Eric Harrold > Urbana, IL > > > --- On Mon, 7/26/10, Liz Stanley wrote: > > > From: Liz Stanley > Subject: Re: [mou-net] More wasted birder energy focused on a hunting issue > (SHCR) > To: MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU > Date: Monday, July 26, 2010, 1:18 PM > > > I must have missed the part of the discussion that was anti-hunting. I > thought the issue at hand was the lack of an open process for the decision > made by the DNR. Discussing problems with the process, and debating the > end result of it are two different things. > >> Folks, >> >> Do yourselves and more importantly bird conservation a lot of good by >> finding something more biologically meaningful to focus on rather than >> whether 5 or 10 Sandhill Cranes are going to be killed by hunters in > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html
[mou-net] crane season--how about some answers DNR?
Personally I think the DNR has lost a lot of birder and outdoor folks' support for trying to ramrod this hunting proposal through the process without a series of statewide series of hearings. Those are not just birds that live in Roseau or Kittson Counties. Many of those birds are Mississippi flyway birds that come through C and S Minnesota and many are NW MN birds that fly down the Great Plains. The natural resorces of this state belong as a common to all Minnesotans and as such all taxpayers should have a say in the matter. The prairie chicken season was well thought out and the DNR had a prolonged period for comments. Protection of the resource came first and both hunters and many nonhunters accepted the season as a management tool and as support for continued habitat improvement. This proposal smells of cronyism and smoke-filled rooms and the public be damned. If the intention is to shoot Lesser Sandhill Cranes which arrive in October why does the season open so early? Why impact a still expanding Greater Sandhill breeding population? There may be good reasons, perhaps to control crop-depredating cranes (who used to breed in these boreal forests before they drained the bogs, cut the forest, and tiled and ditched everything in sight right up to the boundaries of Roseau River State Wildlife Area and other local refuges). I think the public has a right to know what led up to these decisions and they have a right to air their views when things don't quite smell right. Bob Russell Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html
Re: [mou-net] Northern Bobwhite in Hennepin County
Your birds were escapes from a game farm or managed private hunting area. There have been no wild Bobwhites in the metro area for many years. Manley Olson On 7/26/2010 7:23 PM, Ben Sandstrom wrote: This afternoon at Crow-Hassan Park Reserve in northern Hennepin County I observed one Northern Bobwhite, and probably spooked two others nearby that I only heard rustling in the vegetation. In the grassland east of Prairie Lake I heard a Bobwhite calling, but couldn't see it, so I started walking towards the sound. I got to a shrub clump on top of the hill where I found the bird sitting calmly - in clear view - only ten feet in front of me. I had no camera with me to photograph the bird, but I assume it is/was breeding in the area and could be found again. -Ben Sandstrom Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html
[mou-net] Northern Bobwhite in Hennepin County
This afternoon at Crow-Hassan Park Reserve in northern Hennepin County I observed one Northern Bobwhite, and probably spooked two others nearby that I only heard rustling in the vegetation. In the grassland east of Prairie Lake I heard a Bobwhite calling, but couldn't see it, so I started walking towards the sound. I got to a shrub clump on top of the hill where I found the bird sitting calmly - in clear view - only ten feet in front of me. I had no camera with me to photograph the bird, but I assume it is/was breeding in the area and could be found again. -Ben Sandstrom Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html
Re: [mou-net] More wasted birder energy focused on a hunting issue (SHCR)
The process is for among other matters to share information and to ally any concerns, reasonable or unreasonable that someone might have regarding impacts on populations. Furthermore if our science is as unassailable as has been suggested, we wouldn't be cleaning up the Gulf. -- Bernard P. Friel Member: North American Nature Photography Association American Society of Picture Professionals International Society of Aviation Photography The Explorers Club Web Pages - http://www.wampy.com ; http://www.wampy.com/bn Owl Gallery http://www.wampy.com/bn2 Songbirds http://www.wampy.com/GalapagosGallery http://myloupe.com/home/found_photographer.php?photographer=1113 On Line Gallery: http://www.fiveships.com > From: Eric Harrold > Reply-To: Eric Harrold > Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:49:25 -0700 > To: > Subject: Re: [mou-net] More wasted birder energy focused on a hunting issue > (SHCR) > > I don't buy the notion that MOST birders objecting to the crane season on this > forum are doing so because of perceived circumvention of the process by the > DNR. Do they really think the DNR would propose a season or set bag limits > that would seriously threaten breeding crane populations? I think this is a > convenient position to claim that disguises the real motivation to prevent any > hunting of cranes on the part of some folks. Otherwise, the voiced objections > on here would contain more intelligent questions about crane populations and > their distribution in the state where hunting has been proposed. Instead, all > anyone has done is cry foul about the process. I asked the following question > in one of my first posts on this subject: Does anyone have any > biologically-based objections to the proposed harvest? > > Does the DNR or USFWS conduct many/any public hearings concerning waterfowl > season? Few to my knowledge. The flyway councils appropriately have > significant input on such proposed seasons and take positions that are > biologically-based. the individuals making the policy decisions here are the > best prepared to make such decisions and do so from a scientific perspective. > > Eric Harrold > Urbana, IL > > > --- On Mon, 7/26/10, Liz Stanley wrote: > > > From: Liz Stanley > Subject: Re: [mou-net] More wasted birder energy focused on a hunting issue > (SHCR) > To: MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU > Date: Monday, July 26, 2010, 1:18 PM > > > I must have missed the part of the discussion that was anti-hunting. I > thought the issue at hand was the lack of an open process for the decision > made by the DNR. Discussing problems with the process, and debating the > end result of it are two different things. > >> Folks, >> >> Do yourselves and more importantly bird conservation a lot of good by >> finding something more biologically meaningful to focus on rather than >> whether 5 or 10 Sandhill Cranes are going to be killed by hunters in > > > -- > Liz Stanley > Bloomington, MN > l...@lizstanley.com > Backyard weather and feedercam: http://www.overlookcircle.org/ > Photo gallery: http://www.pbase.com/gymell/liz_favorites > Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/lizmstanley > > > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > > > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html
Re: [mou-net] hunting of cranes
Richard has asked a legitimate question in my opinion. I don't know where the bulk of the breeding sites are relative to the path that migratory birds might take. Do the breeding individuals leave prior to the migrants coming through? I don't know...just another relevant question in terms of protecting breeders. Maybe there are so few breeders that it is statistically irrelevant as migrants are overwhelmingly the most likely individuals to be harvested. These kinds of concerns are certainly legitimate from a biological standpoint. Eric Harrold --- On Mon, 7/26/10, Richard Wood wrote: From: Richard Wood Subject: Re: [mou-net] hunting of cranes To: MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU Date: Monday, July 26, 2010, 11:42 AM And how does a hunter know the difference? Richard From: Larry Sirvio To: MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU Sent: Mon, July 26, 2010 12:32:19 PM Subject: Re: [mou-net] hunting of cranes One last point. The population of cranes that is proposed for hunting is a migratory population - not the ones that are nesting in Minnesota. Cheers Larry S - Original Message - From: "Laura Erickson" To: Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [mou-net] hunting of cranes > Can anyone find out how much of the DNR's Non-Game Wildlife Program funds > have gone to projects that have contributed to the increase of Sandhill > Cranes? > > > Laura Erickson > > For the love, understanding, and protection of birds > > There is symbolic as well as actual beauty in the migration of birds. There > is something infinitely healing in the repeated refrains of nature--the > assurance that dawn comes after night, and spring after the winter. > > --Rachel Carson > > Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. > > > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html
Re: [mou-net] More wasted birder energy focused on a hunting issue (SHCR)
I don't buy the notion that MOST birders objecting to the crane season on this forum are doing so because of perceived circumvention of the process by the DNR. Do they really think the DNR would propose a season or set bag limits that would seriously threaten breeding crane populations? I think this is a convenient position to claim that disguises the real motivation to prevent any hunting of cranes on the part of some folks. Otherwise, the voiced objections on here would contain more intelligent questions about crane populations and their distribution in the state where hunting has been proposed. Instead, all anyone has done is cry foul about the process. I asked the following question in one of my first posts on this subject: Does anyone have any biologically-based objections to the proposed harvest? Does the DNR or USFWS conduct many/any public hearings concerning waterfowl season? Few to my knowledge. The flyway councils appropriately have significant input on such proposed seasons and take positions that are biologically-based. the individuals making the policy decisions here are the best prepared to make such decisions and do so from a scientific perspective. Eric Harrold Urbana, IL --- On Mon, 7/26/10, Liz Stanley wrote: From: Liz Stanley Subject: Re: [mou-net] More wasted birder energy focused on a hunting issue (SHCR) To: MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU Date: Monday, July 26, 2010, 1:18 PM I must have missed the part of the discussion that was anti-hunting. I thought the issue at hand was the lack of an open process for the decision made by the DNR. Discussing problems with the process, and debating the end result of it are two different things. > Folks, > > Do yourselves and more importantly bird conservation a lot of good by > finding something more biologically meaningful to focus on rather than > whether 5 or 10 Sandhill Cranes are going to be killed by hunters in -- Liz Stanley Bloomington, MN l...@lizstanley.com Backyard weather and feedercam: http://www.overlookcircle.org/ Photo gallery: http://www.pbase.com/gymell/liz_favorites Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/lizmstanley Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html
[mou-net] buff-breasted sandpipers relocated in chisago county
At about 10:30am this morning, I was able to relocate the buff-breasted sandpipers in North Branch, Chisago County, as reported by Doug Kieser yesterday (July 25). They have moved from the north side of the road at 400th Street, 0.6 miles east of Hemingway Ave., to the south side of the road in the dried up field. This made them somewhat of a challenge to find, as they blended so well into the dried field. Eventually they got a bit closer so that I could see them very clearly with the scope. I saw 4 birds, and possibly a fifth out in the distance. I couldn't find any baird's sandpipers, and today there seemed to be far more than 50 killdeer in both fields north and south of 400th. Leslie Marcus St. Louis Park Hennepin County Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html
Re: [mou-net] More wasted birder energy focused on a hunting issue (SHCR)
I'm with you Liz. I Too thought the discussion was about process. -- Bernard P. Friel Member: North American Nature Photography Association American Society of Picture Professionals International Society of Aviation Photography The Explorers Club Web Pages - http://www.wampy.com ; http://www.wampy.com/bn Owl Gallery http://www.wampy.com/bn2 Songbirds http://www.wampy.com/GalapagosGallery http://myloupe.com/home/found_photographer.php?photographer=1113 On Line Gallery: http://www.fiveships.com > From: Liz Stanley > Reply-To: > Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 13:18:43 -0500 > To: > Subject: Re: [mou-net] More wasted birder energy focused on a hunting issue > (SHCR) > > I must have missed the part of the discussion that was anti-hunting. I > thought the issue at hand was the lack of an open process for the decision > made by the DNR. Discussing problems with the process, and debating the > end result of it are two different things. > >> Folks, >> >> Do yourselves and more importantly bird conservation a lot of good by >> finding something more biologically meaningful to focus on rather than >> whether 5 or 10 Sandhill Cranes are going to be killed by hunters in > > > -- > Liz Stanley > Bloomington, MN > l...@lizstanley.com > Backyard weather and feedercam: http://www.overlookcircle.org/ > Photo gallery: http://www.pbase.com/gymell/liz_favorites > Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/lizmstanley > > > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html
Re: [mou-net] More wasted birder energy focused on a hunting issue (SHCR)
I must have missed the part of the discussion that was anti-hunting. I thought the issue at hand was the lack of an open process for the decision made by the DNR. Discussing problems with the process, and debating the end result of it are two different things. > Folks, > > Do yourselves and more importantly bird conservation a lot of good by > finding something more biologically meaningful to focus on rather than > whether 5 or 10 Sandhill Cranes are going to be killed by hunters in -- Liz Stanley Bloomington, MN l...@lizstanley.com Backyard weather and feedercam: http://www.overlookcircle.org/ Photo gallery: http://www.pbase.com/gymell/liz_favorites Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/lizmstanley Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html
Re: [mou-net] More wasted birder energy focused on a hunting issue (SHCR)
Eric: Or people could buy Federal Duck Stamps http://www.fws.gov/duckstamps/Info/Stamps/stampinfo.htm#benefit , according to which " Since 1934, the sales of Federal Duck Stamps have generated more than $750 million, which has been used to help purchase or lease over 5.3 million acres of waterfowl habitat in the U.S. These lands are now protected in the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Services National Wildlife Refuge System. Waterfowl are not the only wildlife to benefit from the sale of Federal Duck Stamps. Numerous other bird, mammal, fish, reptile, and amphibian species that rely on wetland habitats have prospered. Further, an estimated one-third of the Nation's endangered and threatened species find food or shelter in refuges established using Federal Duck Stamp funds. People, too, have benefited from the Federal Duck Stamp Program. Hunters have places to enjoy their hunting heritage and other outdoor enthusiasts have places to hike, watch birds, and visit. Moreover, the protected wetlands help purify water supplies, store flood water, reduce soil erosion and sedimentation, and provide spawning areas for fish important to sport and commercial fishermen. ", "Ninety-eight) cents out of every dollar generated by the sales of Federal Duck Stamps goes directly to purchase or lease wetland habitat for protection in the National Wildlife Refuge System. Understandably, the Federal Duck Stamp Program has been called one of the most successful conservation programs ever initiated and is a highly effective way to conserve Americas natural resources" and more. Down here in Texas the wild flock of Whooping Cranes winter at Aransas National Wildlife Refuge. The Santa Ana National Wildlife Refuge, south of McAllen TX, has hosted innumerable birds that have caused people to buy airline tickets in order to see them. The reason hunters and fishers get what they want is because they fork out money for licenses and pay taxes on many of the items they use to try to harvest their particular type of wild game. As illustrated above, every once in a while their money benefits us. Onward! Steve Stevan Hawkins San Antonio TX -Original Message- From: Minnesota Birds [mailto:mou-...@lists.umn.edu] On Behalf Of Eric Harrold Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 11:14 AM To: MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU Subject: [mou-net] More wasted birder energy focused on a hunting issue (SHCR) Folks, Do yourselves and more importantly bird conservation a lot of good by finding something more biologically meaningful to focus on rather than whether 5 or 10 Sandhill Cranes are going to be killed by hunters in Minnesota during a crane season. This is the kind of thing that makes folks like myself (and believe me we are many) who have a wildlife biology/management background sneer at birders. Its wasted useless energy! Pick a habitat issue, any habitat issue, and immerse yourself. Heck even join hands with the blood-thirsty hunters and contribute to funds that set aside acres for wetland conservation or prairie preservation. God knows southwest Minnesota could stand some of that as I briefly lived there. Pheasants Foreever has done marvelous work down there to the extent that they can. Join such an effort, and truly help birds for a change. Don't bite the hand that has so productively fed you! Hunting dollars have done more good per acre (and that's what counts) than any other source of conservation revenue. Many non-game species have places to call home thanks to these funds. There is no logical reason for the antagonism that many birders have toward hunting. Eric Harrold Urbana, IL Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html
Re: [mou-net] Chimney Swift Sit - 2010
I would really like to participate in this study, but do not have time to research an area to sit at. I am currently located in Eagan, MN with no vehicle, but can get to most places in the Metro Area via bus or bicycle. If anyone has a spot that they know of that someone could count at, please let me know. Warm Regards, Amy On Jul 26 2010, Claudia Egelhoff wrote: Once again it is time for the Chimney Swift Sit here in Minnesota. The two designated counting periods are August 6-9 and August 27-30. Use the next two weeks to scout sites being used by roosting swifts and you will be ready to go the first weekend in August. The Chimney Swift Sit involves finding chimneys/smokestacks/towers being used by swifts and then counting/estimating the number that go in to roost any night/s during that time period. Sunset the first weekend is right at 8:30pm. Try to be at your site from about 8:20 pm until dark. This will maximize the opportunities to watch and count/estimate the number of swifts. Go to http://mn.audubon.org to download the participation form. You can report swifts seen one or more days during the two periods, August 6-9 and August 27-30. For questions, contact Ron Windingstad Audubon Minnesota 2357 Ventura Drive, Suite 106 St. Paul, MN 55125 Tel: 651-739-9332 ext 14 Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html
[mou-net] Lac Qui Parle County Shorebirds
In partnership with Ducks Unlimited, the DNR recently installed a pump on Cory Lake in the Hamlin Wildlife Management Area. The pump has been operating since the end of May, and there are ~ 100 acres of exposed mud flats (and increasing daily). Of course, this is a magnet for shorebirds and there are currently hundreds on site. I have not put a scope to them, but with the field glasses, I noted killdeer, < & > yellowlegs, pectorals, phalaropes and various peeps. If anyone with good optics, more patience and better id skills visits the site, I'd really appreciate some feedback - species and numbers if you get them. Cory Lake is in the east half of section 28 of Hamlin Township. To get there, go 7 miles south of Madison (or 2 miles south of the Hwy 75 and 212 intersection), then east 1.5 miles. There is a boat access on the east side of the Lake (north of the outlet structure/pump). Otherwise you can hike from the gravel road a short distance (couple hundred yards) to the mouth of the outlet channel. Call if you have questions. Good Luck. Curt Vacek Area Wildlife Supervisor MN DNR - Wildlife, LQP Headquarters (320) 734-4451 ext 228 Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html
Re: [mou-net] hunting of cranes
The hunt is not state-wide. It is in 6 counties in NW Minnesota. That is where the cranes from Canada migrate. If cranes nested in those counties they could be shot. For the rest of the state - the cranes are safe :)) - Original Message - From: "Richard Wood" To: Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [mou-net] hunting of cranes And how does a hunter know the difference? Richard From: Larry Sirvio To: MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU Sent: Mon, July 26, 2010 12:32:19 PM Subject: Re: [mou-net] hunting of cranes One last point. The population of cranes that is proposed for hunting is a migratory population - not the ones that are nesting in Minnesota. Cheers Larry S - Original Message - From: "Laura Erickson" To: Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [mou-net] hunting of cranes Can anyone find out how much of the DNR's Non-Game Wildlife Program funds have gone to projects that have contributed to the increase of Sandhill Cranes? Laura Erickson For the love, understanding, and protection of birds There is symbolic as well as actual beauty in the migration of birds. There is something infinitely healing in the repeated refrains of nature--the assurance that dawn comes after night, and spring after the winter. --Rachel Carson Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html
Re: [mou-net] hunting of cranes
And how does a hunter know the difference? Richard From: Larry Sirvio To: MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU Sent: Mon, July 26, 2010 12:32:19 PM Subject: Re: [mou-net] hunting of cranes One last point. The population of cranes that is proposed for hunting is a migratory population - not the ones that are nesting in Minnesota. Cheers Larry S - Original Message - From: "Laura Erickson" To: Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [mou-net] hunting of cranes > Can anyone find out how much of the DNR's Non-Game Wildlife Program funds > have gone to projects that have contributed to the increase of Sandhill > Cranes? > > > Laura Erickson > > For the love, understanding, and protection of birds > > There is symbolic as well as actual beauty in the migration of birds. There > is something infinitely healing in the repeated refrains of nature--the > assurance that dawn comes after night, and spring after the winter. > >--Rachel Carson > > Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. > > > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html
Re: [mou-net] hunting of cranes
The poll is also on an "outdoor" web site. What is going to stop someone from shooting Whooping Cranes and then claim they "thought" they were Sandhills, ala that guy in Texas? Richard From: jaxi To: MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU Sent: Mon, July 26, 2010 9:55:57 AM Subject: Re: [mou-net] hunting of cranes Currently ... yes 95 41% no 138 59% You voted: no On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 8:34 AM, Wes Bailey wrote: > As of 08:32 am poll now showing 51% in favor, 53% opposed to sandhill > crane hunt. > > Wes Bailey > Grand Rapids, MN > > On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 7:19 AM, Gail Wieberdink wrote: >> Here is a link to a poll regarding the hunting of sandhill cranes. >> >> >> http://outdoornews.com/minnesota/ >> >> >> Right now the poll is showing many in favor. >> >> >> Gail Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html
Re: [mou-net] hunting of cranes
Laura and others. I don't think it is as simple as your email comment makes it seem. For example, I know that once upon a time the DNR (along with private organization contributions as well as non-game funds) created Lamprey Pass WMA. As I remember, Caroll Henderson was promoting this in order to protect a heron rookery that was threatened by development in that area. I don't remember waterfowl hunters complaining about protecting the herons. Also, I remember the time when there were no cranes in Carlos Avery WMA. I can't say for sure but I'll bet that habitat work done in that area done for the ducks contributed to a substantial breeding population of sandhill cranes which now nest there. One last point. The population of cranes that is proposed for hunting is a migratory population - not the ones that are nesting in Minnesota. Cheers Larry S - Original Message - From: "Laura Erickson" To: Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [mou-net] hunting of cranes Can anyone find out how much of the DNR's Non-Game Wildlife Program funds have gone to projects that have contributed to the increase of Sandhill Cranes? Laura Erickson For the love, understanding, and protection of birds There is symbolic as well as actual beauty in the migration of birds. There is something infinitely healing in the repeated refrains of nature--the assurance that dawn comes after night, and spring after the winter. --Rachel Carson Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html
Re: [mou-net] article from Audubon MN
This kind of focus is EXACTLY why my dollars go to the American Bird Conservancy and NOT Audubon... Eric Harrold --- On Mon, 7/26/10, Gail Wieberdink wrote: From: Gail Wieberdink Subject: [mou-net] article from Audubon MN To: MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU Date: Monday, July 26, 2010, 10:50 AM I got this from the Audubon page on Facebook: http://mn.audubon.org/news-events/audubon-minnesota-blasts-dnr-handling-crane-hunt Probably falling on deaf ears, though. Gail Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html
Re: [mou-net] hunting of cranes
Thanks to Wes and Gail about the posts on the crane "poll." But I think it's appropriate to voice a word of caution about what these numbers represent. As a survey methodologist and market research consultant, I can tell you that this is not a scientific survey taken with a probability sample of some larger population. It is an online reader involvement tool for the web site. As such, it serves its purpose pretty well: It gets readers involved in the web site and creates interesting "findings." But the results are representative only of those who have the time and inclination to participate. You can test it yourself like I did. Take the poll. You can even vote several times, if you're clever enough, and drive the change in the percentages. As one of my survey research colleagues says, it's only cheaply done "scream" research, and should not be taken seriously. In fact, I probably will save the web site and use it as an example of how NOT to do a scientific survey when I teach my survey methodology class again. I'm sure that most of us on the list know at some level the things I mentioned above. But that being said, we should be cautious. These types of polls sometimes creep out to the web and get repeated often enough without qualification that they are taken as gospel. Pretty soon those who have an ax to grind or an ox to gore begin using the "findings" as an argument for or against someone's policy position. That's the real harm in these types of surveys. If you want to contact me about this, please reply off the list so we don't clutter up e-mail boxes too much. Good birding (and good research) to all! Rob Daves South Minneapolis From: Wes Bailey To: MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU Sent: Mon, July 26, 2010 8:34:50 AM Subject: Re: [mou-net] hunting of cranes As of 08:32 am poll now showing 51% in favor, 53% opposed to sandhill crane hunt. Wes Bailey Grand Rapids, MN On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 7:19 AM, Gail Wieberdink wrote: > Here is a link to a poll regarding the hunting of sandhill cranes. > > > http://outdoornews.com/minnesota/ > > > Right now the poll is showing many in favor. > > > Gail > > > > > > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html
[mou-net] More wasted birder energy focused on a hunting issue (SHCR)
Folks, Do yourselves and more importantly bird conservation a lot of good by finding something more biologically meaningful to focus on rather than whether 5 or 10 Sandhill Cranes are going to be killed by hunters in Minnesota during a crane season. This is the kind of thing that makes folks like myself (and believe me we are many) who have a wildlife biology/management background sneer at birders. Its wasted useless energy! Pick a habitat issue, any habitat issue, and immerse yourself. Heck even join hands with the blood-thirsty hunters and contribute to funds that set aside acres for wetland conservation or prairie preservation. God knows southwest Minnesota could stand some of that as I briefly lived there. Pheasants Foreever has done marvelous work down there to the extent that they can. Join such an effort, and truly help birds for a change. Don't bite the hand that has so productively fed you! Hunting dollars have done more good per acre (and that's what counts) than any other source of conservation revenue. Many non-game species have places to call home thanks to these funds. There is no logical reason for the antagonism that many birders have toward hunting. Eric Harrold Urbana, IL Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html
[mou-net] article from Audubon MN
I got this from the Audubon page on Facebook: http://mn.audubon.org/news-events/audubon-minnesota-blasts-dnr-handling-crane-hunt Probably falling on deaf ears, though. Gail Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html
Re: [mou-net] hunting of cranes
Can anyone find out how much of the DNR's Non-Game Wildlife Program funds have gone to projects that have contributed to the increase of Sandhill Cranes? Laura Erickson For the love, understanding, and protection of birds There is symbolic as well as actual beauty in the migration of birds. There is something infinitely healing in the repeated refrains of nature--the assurance that dawn comes after night, and spring after the winter. --Rachel Carson Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html
Re: [mou-net] hunting of cranes
Currently ... yes 95 41% no 138 59% You voted: no On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 8:34 AM, Wes Bailey wrote: > As of 08:32 am poll now showing 51% in favor, 53% opposed to sandhill > crane hunt. > > Wes Bailey > Grand Rapids, MN > > On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 7:19 AM, Gail Wieberdink wrote: >> Here is a link to a poll regarding the hunting of sandhill cranes. >> >> >> http://outdoornews.com/minnesota/ >> >> >> Right now the poll is showing many in favor. >> >> >> Gail Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html
[mou-net] Chimney Swift Sit - 2010
Once again it is time for the Chimney Swift Sit here in Minnesota. The two designated counting periods are August 6-9 and August 27-30. Use the next two weeks to scout sites being used by roosting swifts and you will be ready to go the first weekend in August. The Chimney Swift Sit involves finding chimneys/smokestacks/towers being used by swifts and then counting/estimating the number that go in to roost any night/s during that time period. Sunset the first weekend is right at 8:30pm. Try to be at your site from about 8:20 pm until dark. This will maximize the opportunities to watch and count/estimate the number of swifts. Go to http://mn.audubon.org to download the participation form. You can report swifts seen one or more days during the two periods, August 6-9 and August 27-30. For questions, contact Ron Windingstad Audubon Minnesota 2357 Ventura Drive, Suite 106 St. Paul, MN 55125 Tel: 651-739-9332 ext 14 -- Claudia Egelhoff Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html
Re: [mou-net] June 10, 2010 proposed rule in FR (no. 9 sandhill crane)
FYI - for those interested in reading text on the sandhill crane hunt in the Federal Register. Federal Register Proposed Rules: June 10, 2010 (Volume 75, Number 111) Full text found here: http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2010/2010-13956.htm There is a public comment section in the document, but it is not clear the length of time before comments are no longer accepted. Sandhill Cranes Council Recommendations: The Mississippi, Central, and Pacific Flyway Councils recommended a sandhill crane hunting season for mid-continent sandhill cranes in northwest Minnesota in 2010, following guidelines outlined in the 2006 Cooperative Management Plan for mid-ontinent sandhill cranes. The Central and Pacific Flyway Councils recommend using the 2010 Rocky Mountain Population (RMP) sandhill crane harvest allocation of 1,979 birds as proposed in the allocation formula using the 2007-09 3-year running average. The Pacific Flyway Council recommended initiating a limited hunt for Lower Colorado River Valley (LCRV) Sandhill Cranes in Arizona with a goal of a limited harvest of 9 cranes during the 2010-11 hunting season. Arizona will issue permits to hunters and require mandatory check-in of all harvested cranes. The Service previously approved the hunt in 2007. Wes Bailey Grand Rapids, MN On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 12:20 AM, Gordon wrote: > This is the result of a two minute google search last week after my > late-night rant. This is text from the Federal Register re.a proposed rule > by the USFWS.. Given the recent date, I don't know when the final rule was > published, if there was such. These Flyway Council recommendations are > something I was not aware of. As Janet Green has communicated, there was no > State Register notice. I don't know if there are preconditions of federal > action for a state administrative (executive) order for game bird > designation. If so, could this be all there is? --- publication of a > recommendation of a flyway council??? I'll stop before I start to rant > (it is late once again). > > > http://frwebgate2.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/TEXTgate.cgi?WAISdocID=jidtVD/1/1/0 > &WAISaction=retrieve >> > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html
Re: [mou-net] hunting of cranes
As of 08:32 am poll now showing 51% in favor, 53% opposed to sandhill crane hunt. Wes Bailey Grand Rapids, MN On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 7:19 AM, Gail Wieberdink wrote: > Here is a link to a poll regarding the hunting of sandhill cranes. > > > http://outdoornews.com/minnesota/ > > > Right now the poll is showing many in favor. > > > Gail > > > > > > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html
[mou-net] hunting of cranes
Here is a link to a poll regarding the hunting of sandhill cranes. http://outdoornews.com/minnesota/ Right now the poll is showing many in favor. Gail Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html
