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Well said! No more!! Sent from my iPhone On Feb 1, 2013, at 9:40 AM, Jim & Charlene Nelson wrote: > On Jan 31, 2013, at 12:39 PM, linda whyte wrote: > >> Pogo was right on--"We have met the enemy--and he is us." >> Linda Whyte >> >> On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Skyler Vold wrote: >> >>> A study was also completed last year by scientists from the University of >>> Georgia and the National Geographic Society on predation by house cats. The >>> results they found with the use of their "KittyCam's" were quite alarming. >>> Here is a link to one of the articles written on the study: >>> http://www.abcbirds.org/newsandreports/releases/120806.html >>> People need to realize that cats are a nonnative species and the impacts >>> from cat predation on our natural ecosystems can be seen wherever they have >>> been introduced, whether it be in the America's, on numerous islands, or >>> anywhere else across the globe where they were brought in by humans. >>> >>> >>> Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net >>> Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html >> >> >> Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net >> Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > > > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html
[mou-net] ENOUGH!!!!!Re: [mou-net] Cats and Birds Articles
On Jan 31, 2013, at 12:39 PM, linda whyte wrote: > Pogo was right on--"We have met the enemy--and he is us." > Linda Whyte > > On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Skyler Vold wrote: > >> A study was also completed last year by scientists from the University of >> Georgia and the National Geographic Society on predation by house cats. The >> results they found with the use of their "KittyCam's" were quite alarming. >> Here is a link to one of the articles written on the study: >> http://www.abcbirds.org/newsandreports/releases/120806.html >> People need to realize that cats are a nonnative species and the impacts >> from cat predation on our natural ecosystems can be seen wherever they have >> been introduced, whether it be in the America's, on numerous islands, or >> anywhere else across the globe where they were brought in by humans. >> >> >> Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net >> Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html >> > > > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html
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As long as you include all the foul dogs that chomp on my robins and predate tern nests on beaches, I'm with you. douglas chapman rhameprai...@sio.midco.net Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html
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On 1/31/2013 7:59 AM, Bob Bystrom wrote: Kare 11 news team members commented after reporting the cats and birds story at 5 p.m. One of the team advised that she lets her cats roam and that neighbors sometimes objected. The other noted that he had never seen a cat kill a bird. Both speculated that most of the killing is probably being done by feral cats and that in the absence of cat predation, birds might become overabundant. One also mentioned that some people believe the study and its numbers are biased in the birds' favor. Bob Bystrom Test Your Nature Knowledge: nature puzzles http://robertbystrom.com Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html This only shows how un informed people are about cat predation. IMO cats should be kept indoors at all times and feral cats should be euthanized . Cats are predators from birth it is part of their genetic makeup. It is not something that neutering will fix. There is only one solution for free roaming cats at the is high velocity lead. -- Rick Holbrook Fargo, ND Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html
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I wonder if the trap/sterilize/release approach has ever been shown to work in reducing feral cat populations. It seems that it's based on assumptions and guesswork rather than actual evidence. My cats are indoor cats. Last year we got an outdoor enclosure for them which they really enjoy. And since they've never been allowed to roam freely, they don't know that they're missing out on anything. It gives them plenty of stimulation without presenting a danger to them or the local wildlife. Here's a photo: http://www.pbase.com/image/148564406 > It is definitely a people problem. We are both birders and cat breeders of > Burmese cats. Our cats are always inside where they live wonderful > comfortable lives watching the birds through the windows or on TV. Cats we > have bred and sold are always spayed or neutered and sold ONLY to homes > that will keep them inside. We have turned down a number of families who > have stated that "cats need to be able to roam outside" There is nothing > further from the truth than that but it seems to be a very popular > misconception. > > Mike Henry > > -Original Message- > From: Minnesota Birds [mailto:MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU] On Behalf Of Jim > Williams > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 12:13 PM > To: MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU > Subject: Re: [mou-net] Cats and birds articles > > Yes, it's a people problem first. > > Jim Williams > Orono > birding blog at > www.startribune.com/lifestyle/homegarden/blogs/Wingnut.html > > > > On Jan 31, 2013, at 11:37 AM, peter schmidt > wrote: > >> I know many responsible cat owners. Unfortunately they are the minority. >> Further education is obviously still needed. >> >> >> >> Peter Schmidt >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Cleone Stewart >> To: MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU >> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:09 AM >> Subject: Re: [mou-net] Cats and birds articles >> >> A program that would immensely help would be to make spay/neuter >> affordable. >> I know people in our area who cannot afford to do this and so the >> problem >> exponentially increases. Some people also think that they don't need to >> get >> a male cat fixed as they won't end up with kittens (someone else does). >> We >> live in area where cats are frequently dumped to "survive on their own." >> We enjoy our cats in the house and watching the birds come to our >> outdoor >> feeders. >> C. Stewart >> Frazee >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Minnesota Birds [mailto:MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU] On Behalf Of peter >> schmidt >> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 9:55 AM >> To: MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU >> Subject: Re: [mou-net] Cats and birds articles >> >> Denial of their own incorrect and irresponsible behavior is what is at >> the >> heart of this. In addition it is illegal in Mpls. for one's cat to be >> free >> roaming. I wonder how many of those peoples cats are even licensed. >> Really >> sick of the subject as it has been proven in many research articles that >> the >> damage caused by free roaming cats is immense. The stronger the denial >> and >> the so called ignorance by cat owners, the more I think we should push >> for >> tougher enforcement and penalties. I do not blame the cats, the ignorant >> and >> selfish cat owners carry 100% of the blame. >> >> >> >> Peter Schmidt >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Liz Stanley >> To: MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU >> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 8:12 AM >> Subject: Re: [mou-net] Cats and birds articles >> >> It's exactly this sort of ignorance that perpetuates the problem, and >> it's >> unfortunate that these members of the media are participants in that. >> All >> they need to do is spend some time with any local wildlife rehab >> organization to see the reality of the situation first hand. >> >>> Kare 11 news team members commented after reporting the cats and birds >>> story at 5 p.m. One of the team advised that she lets her cats roam >>> and that neighbors sometimes objected. The other noted that he had >>> never seen a cat kill a bird. Both speculated that most of the >>> killing is probably being done by feral cats and that in the absence >>> of cat predation, birds might become overabundant. One also mentioned >>> that some people believe the study and its numbers are biased in the >> birds' favor. &
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It is definitely a people problem. We are both birders and cat breeders of Burmese cats. Our cats are always inside where they live wonderful comfortable lives watching the birds through the windows or on TV. Cats we have bred and sold are always spayed or neutered and sold ONLY to homes that will keep them inside. We have turned down a number of families who have stated that "cats need to be able to roam outside" There is nothing further from the truth than that but it seems to be a very popular misconception. Mike Henry -Original Message- From: Minnesota Birds [mailto:MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU] On Behalf Of Jim Williams Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 12:13 PM To: MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU Subject: Re: [mou-net] Cats and birds articles Yes, it's a people problem first. Jim Williams Orono birding blog at www.startribune.com/lifestyle/homegarden/blogs/Wingnut.html On Jan 31, 2013, at 11:37 AM, peter schmidt wrote: > I know many responsible cat owners. Unfortunately they are the minority. > Further education is obviously still needed. > > > > Peter Schmidt > > > > > > From: Cleone Stewart > To: MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:09 AM > Subject: Re: [mou-net] Cats and birds articles > > A program that would immensely help would be to make spay/neuter affordable. > I know people in our area who cannot afford to do this and so the problem > exponentially increases. Some people also think that they don't need to get > a male cat fixed as they won't end up with kittens (someone else does). We > live in area where cats are frequently dumped to "survive on their own." > We enjoy our cats in the house and watching the birds come to our outdoor > feeders. > C. Stewart > Frazee > > -Original Message- > From: Minnesota Birds [mailto:MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU] On Behalf Of peter > schmidt > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 9:55 AM > To: MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU > Subject: Re: [mou-net] Cats and birds articles > > Denial of their own incorrect and irresponsible behavior is what is at the > heart of this. In addition it is illegal in Mpls. for one's cat to be free > roaming. I wonder how many of those peoples cats are even licensed. Really > sick of the subject as it has been proven in many research articles that the > damage caused by free roaming cats is immense. The stronger the denial and > the so called ignorance by cat owners, the more I think we should push for > tougher enforcement and penalties. I do not blame the cats, the ignorant and > selfish cat owners carry 100% of the blame. > > > > Peter Schmidt > > > > > > From: Liz Stanley > To: MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 8:12 AM > Subject: Re: [mou-net] Cats and birds articles > > It's exactly this sort of ignorance that perpetuates the problem, and it's > unfortunate that these members of the media are participants in that. All > they need to do is spend some time with any local wildlife rehab > organization to see the reality of the situation first hand. > >> Kare 11 news team members commented after reporting the cats and birds >> story at 5 p.m. One of the team advised that she lets her cats roam >> and that neighbors sometimes objected. The other noted that he had >> never seen a cat kill a bird. Both speculated that most of the >> killing is probably being done by feral cats and that in the absence >> of cat predation, birds might become overabundant. One also mentioned >> that some people believe the study and its numbers are biased in the > birds' favor. >> >> Bob Bystrom >> >> >> Test Your Nature Knowledge: >> nature puzzles http://robertbystrom.com >> >> >> Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net >> Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > > > -- > Liz Stanley > Bloomington, MN > l...@lizstanley.com > Backyard weather and feedercam: http://www.overlookcircle.org/ Photo > gallery: http://www.pbase.com/gymell/liz_favorites > Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/lizmstanley > > > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > > > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > > > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > > > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html
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Sterilizing the male cats is a nice* idea*. Good luck catching them. We tried that in our neighborhood and the wisest, most prolific Toms always avoided the traps. As did a few of the wisest, she-cats. We did catch a lot of raccoons and a skunk, along with the younger, dumber cats, however. Not so nice is that even after sterilization, once returned outside, the cats keep on killing. And they will live on for several years before something does them in. -- Sincerely, Jim Ryan Saint Paul's Westside One of the first conditions of happiness is that the link between Man and Nature shall not be broken. -* Leo Tolstoy* A well governed appetite is the greater part of liberty. - *Lucius Annaeus Seneca* On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Janice Bergstrom wrote: > The post about sterilizing the males makes sense. Is that the intent of > the ordinance? Are the females territorial also, or would it be best to > euthanize them? > > On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Jim Williams > wrote: > > > Yes, it's a people problem first. > > > > Jim Williams > > Orono > > birding blog at > > www.startribune.com/lifestyle/homegarden/blogs/Wingnut.html > > > > > > > > On Jan 31, 2013, at 11:37 AM, peter schmidt < > > peterschmidtphotogra...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > I know many responsible cat owners. Unfortunately they are the > minority. > > Further education is obviously still needed. > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter Schmidt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Cleone Stewart > > > To: MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU > > > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:09 AM > > > Subject: Re: [mou-net] Cats and birds articles > > > > > > A program that would immensely help would be to make spay/neuter > > affordable. > > > I know people in our area who cannot afford to do this and so the > problem > > > exponentially increases. Some people also think that they don't need to > > get > > > a male cat fixed as they won't end up with kittens (someone else does). > > We > > > live in area where cats are frequently dumped to "survive on their > own." > > > We enjoy our cats in the house and watching the birds come to our > outdoor > > > feeders. > > > C. Stewart > > > Frazee > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Minnesota Birds [mailto:MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU] On Behalf Of > peter > > > schmidt > > > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 9:55 AM > > > To: MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU > > > Subject: Re: [mou-net] Cats and birds articles > > > > > > Denial of their own incorrect and irresponsible behavior is what is at > > the > > > heart of this. In addition it is illegal in Mpls. for one's cat to be > > free > > > roaming. I wonder how many of those peoples cats are even licensed. > > Really > > > sick of the subject as it has been proven in many research articles > that > > the > > > damage caused by free roaming cats is immense. The stronger the denial > > and > > > the so called ignorance by cat owners, the more I think we should push > > for > > > tougher enforcement and penalties. I do not blame the cats, the > ignorant > > and > > > selfish cat owners carry 100% of the blame. > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter Schmidt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Liz Stanley > > > To: MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU > > > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 8:12 AM > > > Subject: Re: [mou-net] Cats and birds articles > > > > > > It's exactly this sort of ignorance that perpetuates the problem, and > > it's > > > unfortunate that these members of the media are participants in that. > All > > > they need to do is spend some time with any local wildlife rehab > > > organization to see the reality of the situation first hand. > > > > > >> Kare 11 news team members commented after reporting the cats and birds > > >> story at 5 p.m. One of the team advised that she lets her cats roam > > >> and that neighbors sometimes objected. The other noted that he had > > >> never seen a cat kill a bird. Both speculated that most of the > > >> killing is probably being done by feral cats and that in the absence > > >> of cat predation, birds might becom
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The post about sterilizing the males makes sense. Is that the intent of the ordinance? Are the females territorial also, or would it be best to euthanize them? On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Jim Williams wrote: > Yes, it's a people problem first. > > Jim Williams > Orono > birding blog at > www.startribune.com/lifestyle/homegarden/blogs/Wingnut.html > > > > On Jan 31, 2013, at 11:37 AM, peter schmidt < > peterschmidtphotogra...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > I know many responsible cat owners. Unfortunately they are the minority. > Further education is obviously still needed. > > > > > > > > Peter Schmidt > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Cleone Stewart > > To: MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU > > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:09 AM > > Subject: Re: [mou-net] Cats and birds articles > > > > A program that would immensely help would be to make spay/neuter > affordable. > > I know people in our area who cannot afford to do this and so the problem > > exponentially increases. Some people also think that they don't need to > get > > a male cat fixed as they won't end up with kittens (someone else does). > We > > live in area where cats are frequently dumped to "survive on their own." > > We enjoy our cats in the house and watching the birds come to our outdoor > > feeders. > > C. Stewart > > Frazee > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Minnesota Birds [mailto:MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU] On Behalf Of peter > > schmidt > > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 9:55 AM > > To: MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU > > Subject: Re: [mou-net] Cats and birds articles > > > > Denial of their own incorrect and irresponsible behavior is what is at > the > > heart of this. In addition it is illegal in Mpls. for one's cat to be > free > > roaming. I wonder how many of those peoples cats are even licensed. > Really > > sick of the subject as it has been proven in many research articles that > the > > damage caused by free roaming cats is immense. The stronger the denial > and > > the so called ignorance by cat owners, the more I think we should push > for > > tougher enforcement and penalties. I do not blame the cats, the ignorant > and > > selfish cat owners carry 100% of the blame. > > > > > > > > Peter Schmidt > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Liz Stanley > > To: MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU > > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 8:12 AM > > Subject: Re: [mou-net] Cats and birds articles > > > > It's exactly this sort of ignorance that perpetuates the problem, and > it's > > unfortunate that these members of the media are participants in that. All > > they need to do is spend some time with any local wildlife rehab > > organization to see the reality of the situation first hand. > > > >> Kare 11 news team members commented after reporting the cats and birds > >> story at 5 p.m. One of the team advised that she lets her cats roam > >> and that neighbors sometimes objected. The other noted that he had > >> never seen a cat kill a bird. Both speculated that most of the > >> killing is probably being done by feral cats and that in the absence > >> of cat predation, birds might become overabundant. One also mentioned > >> that some people believe the study and its numbers are biased in the > > birds' favor. > >> > >> Bob Bystrom > >> > >> > >> Test Your Nature Knowledge: > >> nature puzzles http://robertbystrom.com > >> > >> > >> Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > >> Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > > > > > > -- > > Liz Stanley > > Bloomington, MN > > l...@lizstanley.com > > Backyard weather and feedercam: http://www.overlookcircle.org/ Photo > > gallery: http://www.pbase.com/gymell/liz_favorites > > Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/lizmstanley > > > > > > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > > > > > > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > > > > > > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > > > > > > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > > > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html
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Yes, it's a people problem first. Jim Williams Orono birding blog at www.startribune.com/lifestyle/homegarden/blogs/Wingnut.html On Jan 31, 2013, at 11:37 AM, peter schmidt wrote: > I know many responsible cat owners. Unfortunately they are the minority. > Further education is obviously still needed. > > > > Peter Schmidt > > > > > > From: Cleone Stewart > To: MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:09 AM > Subject: Re: [mou-net] Cats and birds articles > > A program that would immensely help would be to make spay/neuter affordable. > I know people in our area who cannot afford to do this and so the problem > exponentially increases. Some people also think that they don't need to get > a male cat fixed as they won't end up with kittens (someone else does). We > live in area where cats are frequently dumped to "survive on their own." > We enjoy our cats in the house and watching the birds come to our outdoor > feeders. > C. Stewart > Frazee > > -Original Message- > From: Minnesota Birds [mailto:MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU] On Behalf Of peter > schmidt > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 9:55 AM > To: MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU > Subject: Re: [mou-net] Cats and birds articles > > Denial of their own incorrect and irresponsible behavior is what is at the > heart of this. In addition it is illegal in Mpls. for one's cat to be free > roaming. I wonder how many of those peoples cats are even licensed. Really > sick of the subject as it has been proven in many research articles that the > damage caused by free roaming cats is immense. The stronger the denial and > the so called ignorance by cat owners, the more I think we should push for > tougher enforcement and penalties. I do not blame the cats, the ignorant and > selfish cat owners carry 100% of the blame. > > > > Peter Schmidt > > > > > > From: Liz Stanley > To: MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 8:12 AM > Subject: Re: [mou-net] Cats and birds articles > > It's exactly this sort of ignorance that perpetuates the problem, and it's > unfortunate that these members of the media are participants in that. All > they need to do is spend some time with any local wildlife rehab > organization to see the reality of the situation first hand. > >> Kare 11 news team members commented after reporting the cats and birds >> story at 5 p.m. One of the team advised that she lets her cats roam >> and that neighbors sometimes objected. The other noted that he had >> never seen a cat kill a bird. Both speculated that most of the >> killing is probably being done by feral cats and that in the absence >> of cat predation, birds might become overabundant. One also mentioned >> that some people believe the study and its numbers are biased in the > birds' favor. >> >> Bob Bystrom >> >> >> Test Your Nature Knowledge: >> nature puzzles http://robertbystrom.com >> >> >> Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net >> Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > > > -- > Liz Stanley > Bloomington, MN > l...@lizstanley.com > Backyard weather and feedercam: http://www.overlookcircle.org/ Photo > gallery: http://www.pbase.com/gymell/liz_favorites > Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/lizmstanley > > > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > > > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > > > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > > > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html
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Pogo was right on--"We have met the enemy--and he is us." Linda Whyte On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 11:30 AM, Skyler Vold wrote: > A study was also completed last year by scientists from the University of > Georgia and the National Geographic Society on predation by house cats. The > results they found with the use of their "KittyCam's" were quite alarming. > Here is a link to one of the articles written on the study: > http://www.abcbirds.org/newsandreports/releases/120806.html > People need to realize that cats are a nonnative species and the impacts > from cat predation on our natural ecosystems can be seen wherever they have > been introduced, whether it be in the America's, on numerous islands, or > anywhere else across the globe where they were brought in by humans. > > > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html
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I recall in the 80's our neighbors and local veterinarians were trapping feral cats, spay/neutering and once recovered, releasing them where they were trapped. We were all at the time ignorant of the damage caused by these feral cats to the local wildlife. I think this is not a good approach as it only partially addresses the problem. Peter Schmidt From: Uwe Kausch To: MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [mou-net] Cats and birds articles I did know of a guy that had a tethered, Great Horned Owl...he would spread out sardines in his backyard, put the owl on a post, sit back with beer in hand and watch him go to work on the local cat population...a pretty effective means of cat removal, at least for his neighborhood. In all seriousness, since cats are so good at breeding, sterilization may be the only effective means of controlling them long term. It is important that the public get educated as well, although that might be a serious uphill battle. I am lucky that I live in the country...if I don't get them with a shotgun, wolves, coyotes, fishers, GH Owls, etc. don't allow them to hang around too long. Uwe Kausch -Original Message- From: Minnesota Birds [mailto:MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU] On Behalf Of Janice Bergstrom Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:13 AM To: MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU Subject: Re: [mou-net] Cats and birds articles If you live in Minneapolis, get ready for even more predation: http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2013/01/26/regional/minneapolis-feral-cats Jan Bergstrom On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 9:54 AM, peter schmidt < peterschmidtphotogra...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Denial of their own incorrect and irresponsible behavior is what is at > the heart of this. In addition it is illegal in Mpls. for one's cat to > be free roaming. I wonder how many of those peoples cats are even > licensed. Really sick of the subject as it has been proven in many > research articles that the damage caused by free roaming cats is > immense. The stronger the denial and the so called ignorance by cat > owners, the more I think we should push for tougher enforcement and > penalties. I do not blame the cats, the ignorant and selfish cat owners carry > 100% of the blame. > > > > Peter Schmidt > > > > > > From: Liz Stanley > To: MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 8:12 AM > Subject: Re: [mou-net] Cats and birds articles > > It's exactly this sort of ignorance that perpetuates the problem, and > it's unfortunate that these members of the media are participants in > that. All they need to do is spend some time with any local wildlife > rehab organization to see the reality of the situation first hand. > > > Kare 11 news team members commented after reporting the cats and > > birds story at 5 p.m. One of the team advised that she lets her > > cats roam and that neighbors sometimes objected. The other noted > > that he had never > seen > > a cat kill a bird. Both speculated that most of the killing is > > probably being done by feral cats and that in the absence of cat > > predation, birds might become overabundant. One also mentioned that > > some people believe the study and its numbers are biased in the birds' > > favor. > > > > Bob Bystrom > > > > > > Test Your Nature Knowledge: > > nature puzzles http://robertbystrom.com > > > > > > Join or Leave mou-net: > > http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > > > > > -- > Liz Stanley > Bloomington, MN > l...@lizstanley.com > Backyard weather and feedercam: http://www.overlookcircle.org/ Photo > gallery: http://www.pbase.com/gymell/liz_favorites > Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/lizmstanley > > > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > > > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html
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I know many responsible cat owners. Unfortunately they are the minority. Further education is obviously still needed. Peter Schmidt From: Cleone Stewart To: MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [mou-net] Cats and birds articles A program that would immensely help would be to make spay/neuter affordable. I know people in our area who cannot afford to do this and so the problem exponentially increases. Some people also think that they don't need to get a male cat fixed as they won't end up with kittens (someone else does). We live in area where cats are frequently dumped to "survive on their own." We enjoy our cats in the house and watching the birds come to our outdoor feeders. C. Stewart Frazee -Original Message- From: Minnesota Birds [mailto:MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU] On Behalf Of peter schmidt Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 9:55 AM To: MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU Subject: Re: [mou-net] Cats and birds articles Denial of their own incorrect and irresponsible behavior is what is at the heart of this. In addition it is illegal in Mpls. for one's cat to be free roaming. I wonder how many of those peoples cats are even licensed. Really sick of the subject as it has been proven in many research articles that the damage caused by free roaming cats is immense. The stronger the denial and the so called ignorance by cat owners, the more I think we should push for tougher enforcement and penalties. I do not blame the cats, the ignorant and selfish cat owners carry 100% of the blame. Peter Schmidt From: Liz Stanley To: MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 8:12 AM Subject: Re: [mou-net] Cats and birds articles It's exactly this sort of ignorance that perpetuates the problem, and it's unfortunate that these members of the media are participants in that. All they need to do is spend some time with any local wildlife rehab organization to see the reality of the situation first hand. > Kare 11 news team members commented after reporting the cats and birds > story at 5 p.m. One of the team advised that she lets her cats roam > and that neighbors sometimes objected. The other noted that he had > never seen a cat kill a bird. Both speculated that most of the > killing is probably being done by feral cats and that in the absence > of cat predation, birds might become overabundant. One also mentioned > that some people believe the study and its numbers are biased in the birds' favor. > > Bob Bystrom > > > Test Your Nature Knowledge: > nature puzzles http://robertbystrom.com > > > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > -- Liz Stanley Bloomington, MN l...@lizstanley.com Backyard weather and feedercam: http://www.overlookcircle.org/ Photo gallery: http://www.pbase.com/gymell/liz_favorites Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/lizmstanley Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html
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The idea is that a male cat that is not neutered but sterilized (you still want him to produce the hormones to exhibit aggressiveness and be territorial) will still claim his turf but be unable to produce offspring, putting a bigger dent into the population long term than trying to euthanize them. What they are experiencing now is that by removing cats, the females just produce more kittens, making it very difficult to effectively control the overall population. I think you need a strategy of employing both and getting at least some people in each neighborhood willing to trap and remove cats, without being hated by their neighbors...again, some education, like these articles, may be necessary to turn the tide. -Original Message- From: Minnesota Birds [mailto:MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU] On Behalf Of Jon Swanson Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 11:25 AM To: MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU Subject: Re: [mou-net] Cats and birds articles Sospay and neuter then throw them back out into the environment? I don't like that idea one bit. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 31, 2013, at 10:09 AM, Cleone Stewart wrote: > A program that would immensely help would be to make spay/neuter affordable. > I know people in our area who cannot afford to do this and so the > problem exponentially increases. Some people also think that they > don't need to get a male cat fixed as they won't end up with kittens > (someone else does). We live in area where cats are frequently dumped to > "survive on their own." > We enjoy our cats in the house and watching the birds come to our > outdoor feeders. > C. Stewart > Frazee > > -Original Message- > From: Minnesota Birds [mailto:MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU] On Behalf Of > peter schmidt > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 9:55 AM > To: MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU > Subject: Re: [mou-net] Cats and birds articles > > Denial of their own incorrect and irresponsible behavior is what is at > the heart of this. In addition it is illegal in Mpls. for one's cat to > be free roaming. I wonder how many of those peoples cats are even > licensed. Really sick of the subject as it has been proven in many > research articles that the damage caused by free roaming cats is > immense. The stronger the denial and the so called ignorance by cat > owners, the more I think we should push for tougher enforcement and > penalties. I do not blame the cats, the ignorant and selfish cat owners carry > 100% of the blame. > > > > Peter Schmidt > > > > > ____________________ > From: Liz Stanley > To: MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 8:12 AM > Subject: Re: [mou-net] Cats and birds articles > > It's exactly this sort of ignorance that perpetuates the problem, and > it's unfortunate that these members of the media are participants in > that. All they need to do is spend some time with any local wildlife > rehab organization to see the reality of the situation first hand. > >> Kare 11 news team members commented after reporting the cats and >> birds story at 5 p.m. One of the team advised that she lets her cats >> roam and that neighbors sometimes objected. The other noted that he >> had never seen a cat kill a bird. Both speculated that most of the >> killing is probably being done by feral cats and that in the absence >> of cat predation, birds might become overabundant. One also >> mentioned that some people believe the study and its numbers are >> biased in the > birds' favor. >> >> Bob Bystrom >> >> >> Test Your Nature Knowledge: >> nature puzzles http://robertbystrom.com >> >> >> Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net >> Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > > > -- > Liz Stanley > Bloomington, MN > l...@lizstanley.com > Backyard weather and feedercam: http://www.overlookcircle.org/ Photo > gallery: http://www.pbase.com/gymell/liz_favorites > Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/lizmstanley > > > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > > > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > > > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html
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A study was also completed last year by scientists from the University of Georgia and the National Geographic Society on predation by house cats. The results they found with the use of their "KittyCam's" were quite alarming. Here is a link to one of the articles written on the study: http://www.abcbirds.org/newsandreports/releases/120806.html People need to realize that cats are a nonnative species and the impacts from cat predation on our natural ecosystems can be seen wherever they have been introduced, whether it be in the America's, on numerous islands, or anywhere else across the globe where they were brought in by humans. Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html
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I did know of a guy that had a tethered, Great Horned Owl...he would spread out sardines in his backyard, put the owl on a post, sit back with beer in hand and watch him go to work on the local cat population...a pretty effective means of cat removal, at least for his neighborhood. In all seriousness, since cats are so good at breeding, sterilization may be the only effective means of controlling them long term. It is important that the public get educated as well, although that might be a serious uphill battle. I am lucky that I live in the country...if I don't get them with a shotgun, wolves, coyotes, fishers, GH Owls, etc. don't allow them to hang around too long. Uwe Kausch -Original Message- From: Minnesota Birds [mailto:MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU] On Behalf Of Janice Bergstrom Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 10:13 AM To: MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU Subject: Re: [mou-net] Cats and birds articles If you live in Minneapolis, get ready for even more predation: http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2013/01/26/regional/minneapolis-feral-cats Jan Bergstrom On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 9:54 AM, peter schmidt < peterschmidtphotogra...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Denial of their own incorrect and irresponsible behavior is what is at > the heart of this. In addition it is illegal in Mpls. for one's cat to > be free roaming. I wonder how many of those peoples cats are even > licensed. Really sick of the subject as it has been proven in many > research articles that the damage caused by free roaming cats is > immense. The stronger the denial and the so called ignorance by cat > owners, the more I think we should push for tougher enforcement and > penalties. I do not blame the cats, the ignorant and selfish cat owners carry > 100% of the blame. > > > > Peter Schmidt > > > > > > From: Liz Stanley > To: MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 8:12 AM > Subject: Re: [mou-net] Cats and birds articles > > It's exactly this sort of ignorance that perpetuates the problem, and > it's unfortunate that these members of the media are participants in > that. All they need to do is spend some time with any local wildlife > rehab organization to see the reality of the situation first hand. > > > Kare 11 news team members commented after reporting the cats and > > birds story at 5 p.m. One of the team advised that she lets her > > cats roam and that neighbors sometimes objected. The other noted > > that he had never > seen > > a cat kill a bird. Both speculated that most of the killing is > > probably being done by feral cats and that in the absence of cat > > predation, birds might become overabundant. One also mentioned that > > some people believe the study and its numbers are biased in the birds' > > favor. > > > > Bob Bystrom > > > > > > Test Your Nature Knowledge: > > nature puzzles http://robertbystrom.com > > > > > > Join or Leave mou-net: > > http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > > > > > -- > Liz Stanley > Bloomington, MN > l...@lizstanley.com > Backyard weather and feedercam: http://www.overlookcircle.org/ Photo > gallery: http://www.pbase.com/gymell/liz_favorites > Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/lizmstanley > > > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > > > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html
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Sospay and neuter then throw them back out into the environment? I don't like that idea one bit. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 31, 2013, at 10:09 AM, Cleone Stewart wrote: > A program that would immensely help would be to make spay/neuter affordable. > I know people in our area who cannot afford to do this and so the problem > exponentially increases. Some people also think that they don't need to get > a male cat fixed as they won't end up with kittens (someone else does). We > live in area where cats are frequently dumped to "survive on their own." > We enjoy our cats in the house and watching the birds come to our outdoor > feeders. > C. Stewart > Frazee > > -Original Message- > From: Minnesota Birds [mailto:MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU] On Behalf Of peter > schmidt > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 9:55 AM > To: MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU > Subject: Re: [mou-net] Cats and birds articles > > Denial of their own incorrect and irresponsible behavior is what is at the > heart of this. In addition it is illegal in Mpls. for one's cat to be free > roaming. I wonder how many of those peoples cats are even licensed. Really > sick of the subject as it has been proven in many research articles that the > damage caused by free roaming cats is immense. The stronger the denial and > the so called ignorance by cat owners, the more I think we should push for > tougher enforcement and penalties. I do not blame the cats, the ignorant and > selfish cat owners carry 100% of the blame. > > > > Peter Schmidt > > > > > ________________ > From: Liz Stanley > To: MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 8:12 AM > Subject: Re: [mou-net] Cats and birds articles > > It's exactly this sort of ignorance that perpetuates the problem, and it's > unfortunate that these members of the media are participants in that. All > they need to do is spend some time with any local wildlife rehab > organization to see the reality of the situation first hand. > >> Kare 11 news team members commented after reporting the cats and birds >> story at 5 p.m. One of the team advised that she lets her cats roam >> and that neighbors sometimes objected. The other noted that he had >> never seen a cat kill a bird. Both speculated that most of the >> killing is probably being done by feral cats and that in the absence >> of cat predation, birds might become overabundant. One also mentioned >> that some people believe the study and its numbers are biased in the > birds' favor. >> >> Bob Bystrom >> >> >> Test Your Nature Knowledge: >> nature puzzles http://robertbystrom.com >> >> >> Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net >> Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > > > -- > Liz Stanley > Bloomington, MN > l...@lizstanley.com > Backyard weather and feedercam: http://www.overlookcircle.org/ Photo > gallery: http://www.pbase.com/gymell/liz_favorites > Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/lizmstanley > > > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > > > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > > > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html
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If you live in Minneapolis, get ready for even more predation: http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2013/01/26/regional/minneapolis-feral-cats Jan Bergstrom On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 9:54 AM, peter schmidt < peterschmidtphotogra...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Denial of their own incorrect and irresponsible behavior is what is at the > heart of this. In addition it is illegal in Mpls. for one's cat to be free > roaming. I wonder how many of those peoples cats are even licensed. Really > sick of the subject as it has been proven in many research articles that > the damage caused by free roaming cats is immense. The stronger the denial > and the so called ignorance by cat owners, the more I think we should push > for tougher enforcement and penalties. I do not blame the cats, the > ignorant and selfish cat owners carry 100% of the blame. > > > > Peter Schmidt > > > > > > From: Liz Stanley > To: MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 8:12 AM > Subject: Re: [mou-net] Cats and birds articles > > It's exactly this sort of ignorance that perpetuates the problem, and it's > unfortunate that these members of the media are participants in that. All > they need to do is spend some time with any local wildlife rehab > organization to see the reality of the situation first hand. > > > Kare 11 news team members commented after reporting the cats and birds > > story at 5 p.m. One of the team advised that she lets her cats roam and > > that neighbors sometimes objected. The other noted that he had never > seen > > a cat kill a bird. Both speculated that most of the killing is probably > > being done by feral cats and that in the absence of cat predation, birds > > might become overabundant. One also mentioned that some people believe > > the study and its numbers are biased in the birds' favor. > > > > Bob Bystrom > > > > > > Test Your Nature Knowledge: > > nature puzzles http://robertbystrom.com > > > > > > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > > > > > -- > Liz Stanley > Bloomington, MN > l...@lizstanley.com > Backyard weather and feedercam: http://www.overlookcircle.org/ > Photo gallery: http://www.pbase.com/gymell/liz_favorites > Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/lizmstanley > > > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > > > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html
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A program that would immensely help would be to make spay/neuter affordable. I know people in our area who cannot afford to do this and so the problem exponentially increases. Some people also think that they don't need to get a male cat fixed as they won't end up with kittens (someone else does). We live in area where cats are frequently dumped to "survive on their own." We enjoy our cats in the house and watching the birds come to our outdoor feeders. C. Stewart Frazee -Original Message- From: Minnesota Birds [mailto:MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU] On Behalf Of peter schmidt Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 9:55 AM To: MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU Subject: Re: [mou-net] Cats and birds articles Denial of their own incorrect and irresponsible behavior is what is at the heart of this. In addition it is illegal in Mpls. for one's cat to be free roaming. I wonder how many of those peoples cats are even licensed. Really sick of the subject as it has been proven in many research articles that the damage caused by free roaming cats is immense. The stronger the denial and the so called ignorance by cat owners, the more I think we should push for tougher enforcement and penalties. I do not blame the cats, the ignorant and selfish cat owners carry 100% of the blame. Peter Schmidt From: Liz Stanley To: MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 8:12 AM Subject: Re: [mou-net] Cats and birds articles It's exactly this sort of ignorance that perpetuates the problem, and it's unfortunate that these members of the media are participants in that. All they need to do is spend some time with any local wildlife rehab organization to see the reality of the situation first hand. > Kare 11 news team members commented after reporting the cats and birds > story at 5 p.m. One of the team advised that she lets her cats roam > and that neighbors sometimes objected. The other noted that he had > never seen a cat kill a bird. Both speculated that most of the > killing is probably being done by feral cats and that in the absence > of cat predation, birds might become overabundant. One also mentioned > that some people believe the study and its numbers are biased in the birds' favor. > > Bob Bystrom > > > Test Your Nature Knowledge: > nature puzzles http://robertbystrom.com > > > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > -- Liz Stanley Bloomington, MN l...@lizstanley.com Backyard weather and feedercam: http://www.overlookcircle.org/ Photo gallery: http://www.pbase.com/gymell/liz_favorites Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/lizmstanley Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html
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Denial of their own incorrect and irresponsible behavior is what is at the heart of this. In addition it is illegal in Mpls. for one's cat to be free roaming. I wonder how many of those peoples cats are even licensed. Really sick of the subject as it has been proven in many research articles that the damage caused by free roaming cats is immense. The stronger the denial and the so called ignorance by cat owners, the more I think we should push for tougher enforcement and penalties. I do not blame the cats, the ignorant and selfish cat owners carry 100% of the blame. Peter Schmidt From: Liz Stanley To: MOU-NET@LISTS.UMN.EDU Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 8:12 AM Subject: Re: [mou-net] Cats and birds articles It's exactly this sort of ignorance that perpetuates the problem, and it's unfortunate that these members of the media are participants in that. All they need to do is spend some time with any local wildlife rehab organization to see the reality of the situation first hand. > Kare 11 news team members commented after reporting the cats and birds > story at 5 p.m. One of the team advised that she lets her cats roam and > that neighbors sometimes objected. The other noted that he had never seen > a cat kill a bird. Both speculated that most of the killing is probably > being done by feral cats and that in the absence of cat predation, birds > might become overabundant. One also mentioned that some people believe > the study and its numbers are biased in the birds' favor. > > Bob Bystrom > > > Test Your Nature Knowledge: > nature puzzles http://robertbystrom.com > > > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > -- Liz Stanley Bloomington, MN l...@lizstanley.com Backyard weather and feedercam: http://www.overlookcircle.org/ Photo gallery: http://www.pbase.com/gymell/liz_favorites Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/lizmstanley Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html
Re: [mou-net] Cats and birds articles
It's exactly this sort of ignorance that perpetuates the problem, and it's unfortunate that these members of the media are participants in that. All they need to do is spend some time with any local wildlife rehab organization to see the reality of the situation first hand. > Kare 11 news team members commented after reporting the cats and birds > story at 5 p.m. One of the team advised that she lets her cats roam and > that neighbors sometimes objected. The other noted that he had never seen > a cat kill a bird. Both speculated that most of the killing is probably > being done by feral cats and that in the absence of cat predation, birds > might become overabundant. One also mentioned that some people believe > the study and its numbers are biased in the birds' favor. > > Bob Bystrom > > > Test Your Nature Knowledge: > nature puzzles http://robertbystrom.com > > > Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net > Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html > -- Liz Stanley Bloomington, MN l...@lizstanley.com Backyard weather and feedercam: http://www.overlookcircle.org/ Photo gallery: http://www.pbase.com/gymell/liz_favorites Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/lizmstanley Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html
[mou-net] Cats and birds articles
Kare 11 news team members commented after reporting the cats and birds story at 5 p.m. One of the team advised that she lets her cats roam and that neighbors sometimes objected. The other noted that he had never seen a cat kill a bird. Both speculated that most of the killing is probably being done by feral cats and that in the absence of cat predation, birds might become overabundant. One also mentioned that some people believe the study and its numbers are biased in the birds' favor. Bob Bystrom Test Your Nature Knowledge: nature puzzles http://robertbystrom.com Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html
[mou-net] Cats and birds articles
>This is an interesting article on cats and birds - thought I'd share with you >all - it's "educational" in nature: > > > http://www.birdingwire.com/releases/278900/ > > >And another article on the subject, shared by Jan Bergstrom: > > >http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2013/01/26/regional/minneapolis-feral-cats > > > >Betsy Beneke >St. Cloud Join or Leave mou-net: http://lists.umn.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mou-net Archives: http://lists.umn.edu/archives/mou-net.html
