Re: Mozilla is the best
Bamm Gabriana wrote: Because a large chunk of them is already loaded with the OS Hmm.. how do I explain this. I have Quick Launch on. Thus Moz and IE are both already preloaded in memory. Yet OE still performs noticeably faster on my computer than Moz Mail. Because, when you are running Moz, you still have some (most) of IE loaded as well (because it's in the OS). When you run IE you don't have the overhead of Moz as well. OK, that's a rather simplistic explanation, but you get the idea? I have Quick Launch on. Both of them are preloaded. Therefore when I run IE/OE, Mozilla is also running in the background. So I do have the overhead of Moz. Quick Launch is supposed to have the same effect as IE loading with the OS, isn't it? In a simple idealized world yes. But Microsoft is allowed to hack into its own code to make IE perform any way it wants. Even preloaded, Netscape has to spend tons of time playing nice with Microsoft's OS. Interesting factiod: as of Word 6 for windows, what was that in '94? 1/3 of the code writeen for it was for compatibility with other programs. So you can see how supported standards and compatibility can add to overhead. Stan
Re: Mozilla is the best
Bamm Gabriana wrote: I only have 32 megs, so Moz is quite slow but IE/OE is fast because they have a smaller memory requirement. Because a large chunk of them is already loaded with the OS -- I would rather gnaw my leg off, pack the bleeding stump with salt, and run in a circle on broken glass than have to deal with any Microsoft product on a regular basis. -- Dan Zimmerman, Vanderbilt University, when asked about Windows NT. Anti-spam e-mail address, change _AT_, sorry for the inconvenience
Re: Mozilla is the best
Because a large chunk of them is already loaded with the OS Hmm.. how do I explain this. I have Quick Launch on. Thus Moz and IE are both already preloaded in memory. Yet OE still performs noticeably faster on my computer than Moz Mail. I have a Pentium 166 with 32 megs of RAM. No immediate plans to upgrade hardware due to lack of cash. :)
Re: Mozilla is the best
Bamm Gabriana wrote: Because a large chunk of them is already loaded with the OS Hmm.. how do I explain this. I have Quick Launch on. Thus Moz and IE are both already preloaded in memory. Yet OE still performs noticeably faster on my computer than Moz Mail. Because, when you are running Moz, you still have some (most) of IE loaded as well (because it's in the OS). When you run IE you don't have the overhead of Moz as well. OK, that's a rather simplistic explanation, but you get the idea? I have a Pentium 166 with 32 megs of RAM. No immediate plans to upgrade hardware due to lack of cash. :) -- I would rather gnaw my leg off, pack the bleeding stump with salt, and run in a circle on broken glass than have to deal with any Microsoft product on a regular basis. -- Dan Zimmerman, Vanderbilt University, when asked about Windows NT. Anti-spam e-mail address, change _AT_, sorry for the inconvenience
Re: Mozilla is the best
Because a large chunk of them is already loaded with the OS Hmm.. how do I explain this. I have Quick Launch on. Thus Moz and IE are both already preloaded in memory. Yet OE still performs noticeably faster on my computer than Moz Mail. Because, when you are running Moz, you still have some (most) of IE loaded as well (because it's in the OS). When you run IE you don't have the overhead of Moz as well. OK, that's a rather simplistic explanation, but you get the idea? I have Quick Launch on. Both of them are preloaded. Therefore when I run IE/OE, Mozilla is also running in the background. So I do have the overhead of Moz. Quick Launch is supposed to have the same effect as IE loading with the OS, isn't it?
Re: Mozilla is the best
Well, tell us why you think it is better. Hi, It's a thousand time faster than OE and defineatly Outlook. It retreives the newsgroups faster, mail and posts faster. It has more options like what to do when replying to a thread and it has a nicer look and feel. It is WAY faster really, and for the features, all of the ones I need are here. Thanks. /Regards The Undertaker
Re: Mozilla is the best
I'm glad you liked it as it is, bugs and all. I'm still hoping for the day that I can finally make that switch to Mozilla mail. Don't get me wrong I love Mozilla and I'm happy that it is making a lot of progress. Yeah that's what I was thinking of a couple of months earlier. I wanted to switch to Mozilla completly and leave IE/OE/O out of it, so I tried 0.9.9 version, it was so good and better than OE. It's just that Moz Mail is too slow on my computer, but OE is really fast and works exactly as I want it to. I do use Moz Mail to beta test it but not yet as my main email client. hehe that's the other way around on my PC. It looks like most of the bugs won't make it to 1.0. Maybe when 1.0 comes out, we should call it a 1.0 Preview Release instead of a Final Release. Too many obvious bugs. Then developers could work on the branch and then fix all of the stability bugs before calling it a Final Release. But then that would leave very few people for the trunk. Oh, well... Obvious bugs? I haven't noticed any so far..which is a good thing :) -- /Regards The Undertaker
Re: Mozilla is the best
Yeah that's what I was thinking of a couple of months earlier. I wanted to switch to Mozilla completly and leave IE/OE/O out of it, so I tried 0.9.9 version, it was so good and better than OE. I'm patient. After all my hardware is old. It's just that Moz Mail is too slow on my computer, but OE is really fast and works exactly as I want it to. I do use Moz Mail to beta test it but not yet as my main email client. hehe that's the other way around on my PC. Maybe you have a fast computer? Mozilla is faster than IE on a fast computer but slower than IE on a slow computer. That is because Mozilla has a very fast rendering engine but it consumes plenty of memory doing it. IE requires less memory and so is better on an old computer like I have.
Re: Mozilla is the best
The Undertaker wrote: I'm glad you liked it as it is, bugs and all. I'm still hoping for the day that I can finally make that switch to Mozilla mail. Don't get me wrong I love Mozilla and I'm happy that it is making a lot of progress. Yeah that's what I was thinking of a couple of months earlier. I wanted to switch to Mozilla completly and leave IE/OE/O out of it, so I tried 0.9.9 version, it was so good and better than OE. It's just that Moz Mail is too slow on my computer, but OE is really fast and works exactly as I want it to. I do use Moz Mail to beta test it but not yet as my main email client. hehe that's the other way around on my PC. It looks like most of the bugs won't make it to 1.0. Maybe when 1.0 comes out, we should call it a 1.0 Preview Release instead of a Final Release. Too many obvious bugs. Then developers could work on the branch and then fix all of the stability bugs before calling it a Final Release. But then that would leave very few people for the trunk. Oh, well... Obvious bugs? I haven't noticed any so far..which is a good thing :) Wait 'till you get hit with the .msf bug and loose all your emails. -- sid
Re: Mozilla is the best
Sid Vicious wrote: Wait 'till you get hit with the .msf bug and loose all your emails. Which bug are you talking about? -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- Benjamin Franklin
Re: Mozilla is the best
Maybe you have a fast computer? Mozilla is faster than IE on a fast computer but slower than IE on a slow computer. That is because Mozilla has a very fast rendering engine but it consumes plenty of memory doing it. IE requires less memory and so is better on an old computer like I have. Not particularly, my computer is 64 MB RAM, Win98, Pentium II. Thanks for the information, it's made it a bit clearer. -- /Regards The Undertaker
Re: Mozilla is the best
Not particularly, my computer is 64 MB RAM, Win98, Pentium II. Thanks for the information, it's made it a bit clearer. That's it. 64 MB is the minimum requirement for Moz. If you have it, it'll perform faster than IE. I only have 32 megs, so Moz is quite slow but IE/OE is fast because they have a smaller memory requirement.
Re: Mozilla is the best
The Undertaker typed: I've always used OE, and I'm happy to say that I've switched to Mozilla, I've found it a 100% better than damn Microsoft's load. I hope that everyone will learn to use the better email/news program. Thank you for Mozilla/Netscape. Well, tell us why you think it is better. -- Kyle
Re: Mozilla is the best
I've always used OE, and I'm happy to say that I've switched to Mozilla, I've found it a 100% better than damn Microsoft's load. I hope that everyone will learn to use the better email/news program. Thank you for Mozilla/Netscape. Hi, I'm glad you liked it as it is, bugs and all. I'm still hoping for the day that I can finally make that switch to Mozilla mail. Don't get me wrong I love Mozilla and I'm happy that it is making a lot of progress. It's just that Moz Mail is too slow on my computer, but OE is really fast and works exactly as I want it to. I do use Moz Mail to beta test it but not yet as my main email client. It looks like most of the bugs won't make it to 1.0. Maybe when 1.0 comes out, we should call it a 1.0 Preview Release instead of a Final Release. Too many obvious bugs. Then developers could work on the branch and then fix all of the stability bugs before calling it a Final Release. But then that would leave very few people for the trunk. Oh, well... Sorry for my griping. I love Mozilla. Bamm
Re: Mozilla is the best
Bamm Gabriana typed: I've always used OE, and I'm happy to say that I've switched to Mozilla, I've found it a 100% better than damn Microsoft's load. I hope that everyone will learn to use the better email/news program. Thank you for Mozilla/Netscape. Hi, I'm glad you liked it as it is, bugs and all. I'm still hoping for the day that I can finally make that switch to Mozilla mail. Don't get me wrong I love Mozilla and I'm happy that it is making a lot of progress. It's just that Moz Mail is too slow on my computer, but OE is really fast and works exactly as I want it to. I do use Moz Mail to beta test it but not yet as my main email client. The only way Mozilla is going to make a statement is to get involved with AOL as their default browser. If that happens, AOL would care less about the Mozilla mail/news client because they always have used their own anyhow. Perhaps that is the reason they worry so much more about how the browser part works and don't worry as much about the email/usenet features. It looks like most of the bugs won't make it to 1.0. Maybe when 1.0 comes out, we should call it a 1.0 Preview Release instead of a Final Release. Too many obvious bugs. Then developers could work on the branch and then fix all of the stability bugs before calling it a Final Release. But then that would leave very few people for the trunk. Oh, well... Sorry for my griping. I love Mozilla. Bamm
