Re: [MP3 ENCODER] About Vorbis
> > Also visit http://www.vorbis.com/ , they released > version 1.0beta yesterday ( tue, 20-jun-2000 ) > > I read in an article at > http://www.inside.com/story/Story_Cached/0,2770,6015,00.html > --start quote--- > The LAME project, which makes MP3 encoders for Linux, was unable to > afford a Fraunhofer license and had to pull executable files from > its Web page. LAME is releasing a Vorbis encoder on Tuesday and, > Montgomery says, ''basically switching out of MP3 altogether.'' > --end quote--- > > The mentioned tuesday is Jun 20,2000. > Montgomery is the key man of Vorbis. > So Mark, what about some clarification ? > > David Balazic > -- > MP3 ENCODER mailing list ( http://geek.rcc.se/mp3encoder/ ) > The CVS version of LAME can decode and encode .ogg files (using libvorbis). But LAME will not be dropping MP3 nor making Vorbis the default. Vorbis now produces streams which average about 128kbs. But in my own blind tests of a few samples, I rated the Vorbis stream as worse quality than mp3 every time. But Vorbis is still alpha, and is already clearly higher quality than the ISO mp3 code (and thus higher quality than LAME was about 1.5 years ago). So with more work it might match or even exceed MP3. When Vorbis adds support for higher bitrates, it will probably be very hard to tell the difference between Vorbis and mp3 at around 200kbs. I like this quote: --start quote--- According to Brandenburg, the ISO asked Fraunhofer to develop sample encoding and decoding software as a tool for industry to learn how to use MP3. The source code -- the underlying instructions -- for these programs was carelessly placed on an insecure university server, where it was later obtained by a hacker in Amsterdam known as SoloH. (Brandenburg says the download was not authorized but also not illegal.) Using SoloH's source code, coders across Europe and the United States wrote and gave away MP3 software of their own, creating -- without the participation of the music industry -- the base for today's explosion of online music. --end quote--- -- MP3 ENCODER mailing list ( http://geek.rcc.se/mp3encoder/ )
Re: [MP3 ENCODER] About Vorbis
> I like this quote: > --start quote--- > According to Brandenburg, the ISO asked Fraunhofer to develop sample > encoding and decoding software as a tool for industry to learn how to > use MP3. The source code -- the underlying instructions -- for these > programs was carelessly placed on an insecure university server, where > it was later obtained by a hacker in Amsterdam known as > SoloH. (Brandenburg says the download was not authorized but also not > illegal.) Using SoloH's source code, coders across Europe and the > United States wrote and gave away MP3 software of their own, creating > -- without the participation of the music industry -- the base for > today's explosion of online music. > --end quote--- For the last weeks, I have been pondering a subject for an essay I still needed to write. These last few posts in this mailinglist, the vorbis mailinglist and relative websites and articles have contributed tremendously to the juiciness and spice of the topic I picked, namely something around MP3 and its patents versus Vorbis... But this quote hits the spot. :) Thanks! Ivo -- MP3 ENCODER mailing list ( http://geek.rcc.se/mp3encoder/ )
Re: [MP3 ENCODER] About Vorbis
> I like this quote: > > --start quote--- > According to Brandenburg, the ISO asked Fraunhofer to develop sample > encoding and decoding software as a tool for industry to learn how to > use MP3. The source code -- the underlying instructions -- for these > programs was carelessly placed on an insecure university server, where > it was later obtained by a hacker in Amsterdam known as > SoloH. (Brandenburg says the download was not authorized but also not > illegal.) Using SoloH's source code, coders across Europe and the > United States wrote and gave away MP3 software of their own, creating > -- without the participation of the music industry -- the base for > today's explosion of online music. > --end quote--- Wow, is THIS how we all got the ISO MP3 code!? If SoloH didn't hack-in, wouldn't there have been LAME??? -- MP3 ENCODER mailing list ( http://geek.rcc.se/mp3encoder/ )
Re: [MP3 ENCODER] About Vorbis
Mark Taylor wrote: > I like this quote: > > --start quote--- > According to Brandenburg, the ISO asked Fraunhofer to develop sample > encoding and decoding software as a tool for industry to learn how to > use MP3. The source code -- the underlying instructions -- for these > programs was carelessly placed on an insecure university server, where > it was later obtained by a hacker in Amsterdam known as > SoloH. (Brandenburg says the download was not authorized but also not > illegal.) Using SoloH's source code, coders across Europe and the > United States wrote and gave away MP3 software of their own, creating > -- without the participation of the music industry -- the base for > today's explosion of online music. > --end quote--- I thought the ISO source code was freely available from Fraunhofer's ftp site well before SoloH released his encoder, but then it was a few years ago now and time maybe playing tricks. Ross. -- MP3 ENCODER mailing list ( http://geek.rcc.se/mp3encoder/ )
Re: [MP3 ENCODER] About Vorbis
> --start quote--- > The LAME project, which makes MP3 encoders for Linux, was unable to > afford a Fraunhofer license and had to pull executable files from > its Web page. LAME is releasing a Vorbis encoder on Tuesday and, > Montgomery says, ''basically switching out of MP3 altogether.'' > --end quote--- That's actually a misquote (I said that, but in a different context. The reporter's a nice guy and likely just misunderstood; he got all the others spot-on :-) Monty -- MP3 ENCODER mailing list ( http://geek.rcc.se/mp3encoder/ )
Re: [MP3 ENCODER] About Vorbis
They must be rather dumb if they managed to dothis with several distributions of the code and then contiunued to make hte mistake with the AAC code base Scott Manley (aka Szyzyg) /-- _@/ Mail -\ ___ _ _ __ __ _ | Armagh Observatory | / __| __ ___| |_| |_ | \/ |__ _ _ _ | |___ _ _ | Armagh | \__ \/ _/ _ \ _| _| | |\/| / _` | ' \| / -_) || | | Northern Ireland | |___/\__\___/\__|\__| |_| |_\__,_|_||_|_\___|\_, | | BT61 9DG. | http://star.arm.ac.uk/~spm/welcome.html |__/ \=/ On Thu, 22 Jun 2000, Zia Mazhar wrote: > > I like this quote: > > > > --start quote--- > > According to Brandenburg, the ISO asked Fraunhofer to develop sample > > encoding and decoding software as a tool for industry to learn how to > > use MP3. The source code -- the underlying instructions -- for these > > programs was carelessly placed on an insecure university server, where > > it was later obtained by a hacker in Amsterdam known as > > SoloH. (Brandenburg says the download was not authorized but also not > > illegal.) Using SoloH's source code, coders across Europe and the > > United States wrote and gave away MP3 software of their own, creating > > -- without the participation of the music industry -- the base for > > today's explosion of online music. > > --end quote--- > > Wow, is THIS how we all got the ISO MP3 code!? If SoloH didn't hack-in, > wouldn't there have been LAME??? > > -- > MP3 ENCODER mailing list ( http://geek.rcc.se/mp3encoder/ ) > -- MP3 ENCODER mailing list ( http://geek.rcc.se/mp3encoder/ )
Re: [MP3 ENCODER] About Vorbis
Ross Levis wrote: > > Mark Taylor wrote: > > > I like this quote: > > > > --start quote--- > > According to Brandenburg, the ISO asked Fraunhofer to develop sample > > encoding and decoding software as a tool for industry to learn how to > > use MP3. The source code -- the underlying instructions -- for these > > programs was carelessly placed on an insecure university server, where > > it was later obtained by a hacker in Amsterdam known as > > SoloH. (Brandenburg says the download was not authorized but also not > > illegal.) Using SoloH's source code, coders across Europe and the > > United States wrote and gave away MP3 software of their own, creating > > -- without the participation of the music industry -- the base for > > today's explosion of online music. > > --end quote--- > > I thought the ISO source code was freely available from Fraunhofer's ftp > site well before SoloH released his encoder, but then it was a few years > ago now and time maybe playing tricks. The ISO sources are avaliable at ftp://ftp.tnt.uni-hannover.de/pub/MPEG/audio/mpeg2/software/technical_report/dist10.tar.gz from year 1997 on and will probably stay there for a while. david balazic -- MP3 ENCODER mailing list ( http://geek.rcc.se/mp3encoder/ )
Re: [MP3 ENCODER] About Vorbis
> I thought the ISO source code was freely available from Fraunhofer's ftp > site well before SoloH released his encoder, but then it was a few years > ago now and time maybe playing tricks. > Yes, the ISO code was freely available before SoloH used it. It's just another mistake like "Lame didn't succeded in obtaining an FhG license", or something like this. It seems that as long as an article is not written by some of us, there always be some mistakes in it. Regards, -- Gabriel Bouvigne - France [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq: 12138873 MP3' Tech: www.mp3-tech.org -- MP3 ENCODER mailing list ( http://geek.rcc.se/mp3encoder/ )
Re: [MP3 ENCODER] About Vorbis
Hi, The dist10-code is part of the ISO 13818 standard. So everyone can go to a good library and copy the standard. (Here in Germany you need papers from a university or you have to pay money ... but basically you can get this code without any problems - and without hacking.) If you look into the original dist10-Readme you'll find : | ISO MPEG Audio Subgroup Software Simulation Group (1996) | ISO 13818-3.2 MPEG-2 Audio Codec | | $Id: readme.1st 1.10 1997/01/28 12:00:48 de Bont Exp $ | | $Log: readme.1st $ | Revision 1.10 1997/01/19 23:00:48 de Bont | Distribution 10. Bug fixes and compliance to 13818-3.2 The standard was published in 1995. The first version of The dist-Code was programmed 1995/06/16. I can't say when and which version of the dist-Code was released with the standard, but I'll have a look when I'm going to the library next time. Sincerly Christian Schepke > > > > I thought the ISO source code was freely available from Fraunhofer's ftp > > site well before SoloH released his encoder, but then it was a few years > > ago now and time maybe playing tricks. > > The ISO sources are avaliable at > >ftp://ftp.tnt.uni-hannover.de/pub/MPEG/audio/mpeg2/software/technical_report/dist10.tar.gz > from year 1997 on and will probably stay there for a while. -- Christian Schepke Tel.: +49 (0)231 39 88 99 3 Lehrstuhl fuer Kommunikationstechnik Universitaet Dortmund [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- MP3 ENCODER mailing list ( http://geek.rcc.se/mp3encoder/ )
