[Mpls] IRV voting within the Mpls endorsement process...Hearing Wednesday
Mpls-Issues tip: please delete as much of this message's text as possible if replying to the list. Thanks! --- This is an excellent idea David. We could all be using preference voting and other great ideas like it on all sorts of levels. The Minneapolis Green Party has already tried preference (or instant run-off) voting for endorsements. I also noted that last weekend the Independence party endorsed the Minneapolis Election Reform Coalition's proposal, joining the Green Party. They may also already be using it in to endorse city candidates. There will be a public hearing of the Minneapolis Charter Commission on the Instant Runoff Voting proposal submitted by the Minneapolis Election Reform Coalition for Minneapolis. It is scheduled for Wednesday, May 9th at 4pm in room 333 City Hall, 350 South 5th Street. We need people to come show their support for our proposal, so please bring friends and family if you can. 4pm is a hard time for those of us who have to work all day, but I do hope that lots of people can attend. Folks can learn more, express their views and see what others think. Petitioning on this one has already begun. Cam Gordon Candidate for Minneapolis City Council, Ward 2 914 Franklin Terrace Mpls. MN 55406-1101 (612) 332-6210 http://www.camgordon.org ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Re: response to Denny Hill
Mpls-Issues tip: please delete as much of this message's text as possible if replying to the list. Thanks! --- No Denny, I don't laugh at people who genuinely support and work hard for a candidate. I've worked for my share of candidates who weren't victorious and nothing hurts worse than throwing your heart and soul into something and having it not turn out the way you expected. I am less sympathetic to those people who phoned me at home to harass me, belittled me at party functions for backing a "loser," and urged me to ditch Mark and sign on with a "real" campaign. I actually had to endure a Janezich supporter trying to throw me out of a Minnesotans for a Democratic Majority meeting because I wasn't supporting Jerry (I was never aware that this was a prerequisite for attending an MDM meeting, silly me!) I spent a long summer getting verbally abused by other Democrats because of my belief that Mark was the best candidate. And yes, I did have a good laugh when in October, I saw THOSE people wearing purple Dayton T-shirts. Molly Schultz ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] DFL Convention Observations
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Russell W Peterson wrote:
> unfair doesn't even come close to describing the
> clout the Mayor had over the other candidates in this
> convention.
I don't get how that's attributable to the mayor.
> I guess unless you
> endorse the Mayor it really isn't that important.
Whether we endorsed the mayor or R.T. or Lisa, I was adamant that I was NOT staying
half the night as everyone
did in 93. Also, we moved to keep the rules as is so that the mayoral race came last.
Otherwise, all those of
us running for the boards would have lost delegate support as they wore out or had to
get home to their
families.It was clear to me and, I thought, everyone else that the convention was
deadlocked. That's OK. It
means we have three candidates for mayor and the primary will choose among them (Lisa
didn't do well, but she
had already opted for a primary anyway.)
> So why do I tell you all this - because I think the spin of
> late has been about the Mayor's failure to win the
> endorsement because of the lunatic left.
> Everybody thought Sayles Belton would be endorsed -
I wasn't at all sure that would be the case because Rybak supporters in their peacock
blue t-shirts, seemed to
be the largest bunch of people and it didn't appear that there were any lunatics among
them; nobody was
foaming at the mouth, raving up and down the halls, or any other behavior that would
trigger the notion of
lunatic.
Russ, I don't think it's necessary to sound all sneery about SSB. I do think she
underestimated R.T. and
maybe reasoned that he and Lisa would split the opposition and that's how she would
win. Clearly, if that was
the thinking, it was mistaken. But it doesn't make her an ogre.
Too, Joe Barazonzi was very noticable with the t-shirts ("I didn't even get a lousy
t-shirt.") organizing
opposition to the great amount of money given to Target Corp. to locate on the
Nicollet Mall. When R.T.
pointed out in his speech that we had to raise a bond issue to fund the library
because Target had gotten so
much of the treasury, the two pieces were strung together for folks (for those who had
not already made the
connection, of course). It was vivid.
It could be that folks want a new mayor just because they want a new mayor, not
because of any of the specific
complaints her opponents have. That's always possible.
One of the reasons I've always admired Vernon Wetternach is that he has never become
ungracious when friends
oppose the candidate he's supporting, he never avoids people who disagree with him.
He is unfailingly
gracious. I'm trying to emulate that myself.
Having been labeled the "fringe left" myself, I find it a totally unacceptable label
for anyone. I don't
believe that doing a citizen's duty is fringy at all, and while I am certainly to the
left of many a one
(people like Phyllis Schlafly and Jerry Falwell come to mind), there is no shame in
that.
WizardMarks, Central
> Russell W. Peterson
> Exurbia ;-)
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[Mpls] Doug Grow on DFL convention upset
Mpls-Issues tip: please delete as much of this message's text as possible if replying to the list. Thanks! --- Strib columnist quotes Sayles Belton supporter Walt Dziedzic on what he'd tell the mayor: "I'd tell her that you and your staff are done. And I'm a loyal supporter." http://www.startribune.com/viewers/qview/cgi/qview.cgi?story=84127204 David Brauer List manager, Minneapolis-Issues ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] IRV voting within the Mpls endorsement process
Mpls-Issues tip: please delete as much of this message's text as possible if replying to the list. Thanks! --- I'm obviously a believer in the caucus process, but I also believe we can make it much better. At the DFL convention, just down the row from Lynnell Mickelsen's wonderful Minneapolis-Issues table sat the hardy band pushing Instant Runoff Voting (list member Ken Bearman & friends). In IRV, you rank your choices and the lowest first-ranked vote-getter's votes are reapportioned among remaining candidates based on second, third, fourth choices until you have a winner. Now, I'm a fan of IRV, but as an idea it's a little like vegetarianism in 1950s America -- still too strange for most people's tastes. The IRV folks often tout Cambridge, Mass., where IRV is used to elect council members - but let's face it, as much Minneapolis is a progressive mecca, Cambridge is too zany to reassure most locals. So it struck me on Saturday: we need to demonstrate this system short of an actual election ballot. A place like the city DFL convention - especially in the library, school, and park board seats where there are lots of candidates and lots of ballots. Instead of several ballots for these seats, we can cast one and use IRV rankings to redistribute votes of the low-ranked candidates. If we can quash three or four extra ballots during the course of a convention, we can save a couple of hours and lots of teller time. (I would suspect we'd need to use a computer ballot similar to the Minneapolis election ballot, an idea whose time has come, but that's another post.) Now, there are a couple of wrinkles I'm not quite sure about. You need 60 percent to be DFL to be endorsed - does this screw up IRV at all? Also, what would happen when you're down to two candidates who are short of 60, a la RT vs. Sharon? (I assume you just continue balloting like you do now - this is why I think IRV would show more advantages on multiple-candidate endorsements. And trying this out on so-called "minor" boards also lowers the risk.) Now, I'm not sure how the campaign pros would feel about this. If IRV cuts down on the number of ballots - or reduces them to one - you lose the chance for inter-ballot "persuasion." Would that be a major demerit? Personally, I'd trade extra ballots for this, but I'm curious how others feel. Last thing: I think one of IRV's prime advantages is that it reduces the chance for also-ran candidates to block. As I understand it, IRV offers delegates/voters the chance to rank multiple candidates, or just vote for one as they do now. I suppose an also-ran, going in, would instruct delegates to vote only for him/her. Still, I believe many delegates would still rank multiple acceptable candidates, if they have more than one. Anyway, I'm looking for folks who can paint a picture of how this would play out, if tried at a future convention. I guess I just can't get enough of caucus reform these days. It can only help attendance if we preserve the substance while bleeding out the wasted time. David Brauer King Field - Ward 10 ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] DFL Convention Observations
Mpls-Issues tip: please delete as much of this message's text as possible if replying to the list. Thanks! --- For the record, the Sayles Belton campaign's access to the coaches' offices was not arranged through the City DFL Party. The coaches' offices were not part of the space for which the Party contracted and, when we asked about extra rooms for candidates, we were told that only two rooms were available--the upstairs room used by the Nominating Committee in the morning and the tellers in the afternoon, and the downstairs room next to the Minneapolis Issues table--and the coaches' offices were never mentioned. The Sayles Belton campaign got into the coaches' offices through a private contact at Augsburg, about which the Arrangements Committee learned only on the day before the Convention met. BRM Brian Melendez, Chair Minneapolis DFL Party St. Anthony West (Ward 3) -Original Message- From: Russell W Peterson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 5/8/01 8:47 PM Subject: [Mpls] DFL Convention Observations In terms of the arrangements, it was completely obvious who was running this convention. The Mayor had not only the delegates from 18 months ago before anybody else was in the race, she also had the luxurious suite of coaches offices right outside of the convention hall. They had privacy through closed doors, desks, comfy chairs and who knows what else. The other candidates were pushed in the basement in an open hallway with no privacy whatsoever. We had to set up our own tables and scavenge chairs. There was only one outlet and no phone jacks. And right in the middle of the voting in the mayor's race, the rental company swept the tables out from underneath us completely unannounced while we scurried around to find substitute tables and running up and down flights of stairs and across long hallways to the hall - unfair doesn't even come close to describing the clout the Mayor had over the other candidates in this convention. ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] DFL Convention Observations
Mpls-Issues tip: please delete as much of this message's text as possible if replying to the list. Thanks! ---A few observations from someone who was helping the underdog... In terms of the arrangements, it was completely obvious who was running this convention. The Mayor had not only the delegates from 18 months ago before anybody else was in the race, she also had the luxurious suite of coaches offices right outside of the convention hall. They had privacy through closed doors, desks, comfy chairs and who knows what else. The other candidates were pushed in the basement in an open hallway with no privacy whatsoever. We had to set up our own tables and scavenge chairs. There was only one outlet and no phone jacks. And right in the middle of the voting in the mayor's race, the rental company swept the tables out from underneath us completely unannounced while we scurried around to find substitute tables and running up and down flights of stairs and across long hallways to the hall - unfair doesn't even come close to describing the clout the Mayor had over the other candidates in this convention. Kudos to those who staffed and ran the registration tables. Their first time computer database had a few quirks, but they worked hard and diligently to improve the process. And they were gracious in providing us with timely information. It was my impression that the teller process needed significant improving. The Mayor's signs and verbal push were to endorse, endorse, endorse, yet when push came to shove, it was her contingency that moved to end the convention. I guess unless you endorse the Mayor it really isn't that important. Like most everything else - say one thing and then do another. And she wonders why people aren't supporting her. I found Steve Minn's comments in the paper quite humorous. It seemed he was observing only the floor operation and of that he didn't have his specks adjusted correctly. R.T. had assembled the best team I have ever seen to run a floor operation. Jim Niland was magnificent leading the floor as was R.T.'s managers Laura Sether and Peter Wagenius. Beyond that there were a dozen more volunteers coordinating each ward all linked to head phones so it was absolutely clear what we all needed to do. And they were all linked to the computer database instantly - no need for an old delegate clipboard list here Mr. Minn. Then there was the phoning operation - amazing is the only word that comes to mind. We had another dozen people making phone calls from cell phones throughout the entire convention - from 8 am until the last vote - this helped us get delegates to the floor in time for votes and recall delegates that needed to leave for breaks. And then there was the computer operation headed by Sonja, Dan and a few others. They tracked delegate registration against our database (at one point, we even provided help to the DFL registrars.) They tracked votes to see changes via ward and to see if there were anomalies in the counting - and believe me there were. (I actually think R.T. got even more votes than were finally reported.) Then there were the half dozen runners and a few others providing food and drink to keep everybody going. And we did all of this in plain sight of anybody who wandered down into the basement hallway - and believe me there were Sayles Belton supporters who did just that. Too bad the other camps didn't get to peek in at the Mayor's camp behind those comfy closed doors! And to think these people were all volunteers - unlike many of the mayor's camp where paid employees seemed to outnumber volunteers. I think they were all too busy producing that fancy video and multi-colored sign graphics to even talk to delegates. And then there was R.T.'s strategy. It wasn't just implemented at the convention - it was implemented months before the convention. We knew the rules, the agenda, where we were going and what our goal was. And it was obvious from the start of the convention that R.T. had assembled a tremendous staff. People of a wide-ranging background including good-government types, pro-business people, anti-corporate wealthfare individuals, low taxes people, better basic services folks, environmentalists, and middle class affordable housing people. A lot of good people who are tired of not being heard. It wasn't the left fringe - it was the fringe who hasn't been heard in Minneapolis for the last 8 years - which just happens to be most of Minneapolis. So why do I tell you all this - because I think the spin of late has been about the Mayor's failure to win the endorsement because of the lunatic left. And it is my experience that this is absolutely not the case. The Mayor lost the endorsement because R.T. Rybak is a powerful person who can pull together the best people from a wide range of areas, listen to them, and motivate to implement real strategies about change. So while the Mayor has been lost in an illusion of prosperity
Re: [Mpls] stonewall endorsement response to tim bonham
Who were you laughing at Molly. The DFL Party? The DFL activists work worked hard for their endorsed candidate. I only every Minnesotan had the luxury developing honing their political skills will spending their inherited family fortune. I wish Senator Dayton well, but he's gonna have to do more than donate his paychecks to pay for charter bus rides to Canada to gain my vote of confidence. Dennis Hill St. Paul DFL'er - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 1:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mpls] stonewall endorsement response to tim bonham Tim:I'm glad to hear your insight into the Stonewall endorsement process. However, if you're going to take into consideration whether or not a candidate stands a "serious" chance at getting elected, I'm wondering if you're endorsing too soon. RT's campaign is picking up some serious momentum and is coming off a HUGE and stunning upset at the convention this past Saturday. Alas, you endorsed Sharon a while back when RT was only just getting up and running. Although I'm sure you took other things into consideration while making your decision, it concerns me that this could have placed RT and other future candidates(especially challengers)at an unfair disadvantage.I speak from experience...about one year ago, I went to work for a US Senate candidate that pretty much EVERYONE thought was a noncontender and it was a battle to get any endorsements or support. I got the last laugh though, when everyone else finally jumped on the Mark Dayton bandwagon.Molly SchultzAn Avid RT Supporter___Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-DemocracyPost messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more:http://e-democracy.org/mpls Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [Mpls] CNIA's NRP funds frozen again
List tip: if replying to the list, please delete as much of this message's text as possible. Thanks! --- wizardmarks wrote: > Matthew Dufresne wrote: > > > FYI: > > > > I spoke to Robert Miller and Robert Cooper, of NRP's Citizen > > Participation office, and was told that CNIA's funds were once again > > being frozen (or already had been as of last Friday?), due in part to > > ongoing inconsistencies and the latest claim by the current CNIA board > > that $110,000 of funds had gone missing. > > If any funds went missing, they were very, very small--two or three digits at > most. There is a $110,000 liability on the books. I cannot remember what it > was about, but I'm sure someone does. Were it me, I'd check with Richard > Barrett at Hennepin County. He may remember what that was about. > Liabilities > are not missing funds.Here is the situation vis-a-vis funds: The $1.9K for > housing contract has been signed and the money turned over to Southside N Housing. >They will > execute the comp block piece of the NRP Phase I funding. Any other > espenditures that were voted on are being funded through NRP. Because the NRP > Phase I monies were not spent down (source of Miller's holding of funds), there is >no way to apply for > second phase > funding. The neighborhood turned down a CNIA board request to shift NRP funding from > programming plans to administrative costs. > Ergo, there is no money to run CNIA--pay rent, pay staff, phones, etc. Any > unallocated funds are being held by NRP. > Matt, we have been here before. We have worked our way out of it by finding > people who have the diplomacy and skills base to be board members, someone with the >skills to > chair, the skills for the treasurer's functions, and all of us demanding > civility of ourselves and each other. Both sides press each others buttons and > go round and round and round about what has happened in the past. (The day > before the meeting also counts as the past, by the way.) > To break out of the pattern, everyone has to cool their jets. Everyone has to > stop the blame game, everyone has to look at the present situation and the > nearness of an election, and think how they and their neighbors can use their > noggins to untangle ourselves. > The reason we keep coming back to this spot is so that we never have to face > untangling the mess and we can keep the resentment going and going and going like > the energizer bunny. > At this point we may be coming back from the dead, but with help--and listening > to those who have a vested interest in helping us--we can do this. If we don't > do it, it's nobody's fault but our own. > WizardMarks, Central > > > Matthew Dufresne > > Central > > ___ > > Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy > > Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: > > http://e-democracy.org/mpls > > ___ > Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy > Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: > http://e-democracy.org/mpls ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] CNIA's NRP funds frozen again
List tip: if replying to the list, please delete as much of this message's text as possible. Thanks! --- Matthew Dufresne wrote: > FYI: > > I spoke to Robert Miller and Robert Cooper, of NRP's Citizen > Participation office, and was told that CNIA's funds were once again > being frozen (or already had been as of last Friday?), due in part to > ongoing inconsistencies and the latest claim by the current CNIA board > that $110,000 of funds had gone missing. If any funds went missing, they were very, very small--two or three digits at most. There is a $110,000 liability on the books. I cannot remember what it was about, but I'm sure someone does. Were it me, I'd check with Richard Barrett at Hennepin County. He may remember what that was about. Liabilities are not missing funds.Here is the situation vis-a-vis funds: The $1.9K for housing has been signed and turned over to Southside N Housing. They will execute the comp block piece of the NRP first phase funding. Any other espenditures that were voted on are being funded through NRP. Because the NRP Phase I monies were not spent down, there is no way to apply for second phase funding. The neighborhood turned down a request to shift NRP funding from programming plans to administrative costs. That request was denied by the neighborhood. Ergo, there is no money to run CNIA--pay rent, pay staff, phones, etc. Any unallocated funds are being held by NRP. Matt, we have been here before. We have worked our way out of it by finding people who have the diplomacy to be board members, someone with the skills to chair, the skills for the treasurer's functions, and all of us demanding civility of ourselves and each other. Both sides press each others buttons and go round and round and round about what has happened in the past. (The day before the meeting also counts as the past, by the way.) To break out of the pattern, everyone has to cool their jets. Everyone has to stop the blame game, everyone has to look at the present situation and the nearness of an election, and think how they and their neighbors can use their noggins to untangle ourselves. The reason we keep coming back to this spot is so that we never have to untangle the mess and we can keep the resentment going and going and going like the energizer bunny. At this point we may be coming back from the dead, but with help--and listening to those who have a vested interest in helping us--we can do this. If we don't do it, it's nobody's fault but our own. WizardMarks, Central > Matthew Dufresne > Central > ___ > Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy > Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: > http://e-democracy.org/mpls ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Re: Sabri's Proposal/Stonewall DFL/ All About Lisa
I was hoping Dean Kallenbach's campaign manager (Rick Stafford) would some day rise above the level of hearsay, she-said/he-said, and rumor based discussion on this list and finally talk about what qualifies Mr. Kallenbach to be the next city council representative from the sixth ward. I have yet to hear anything! You would think from Mr. Stafford's messages that Barb Lickness is the incumbent! Perhaps I can understand why Mr. Kallenbach and Mr. Stafford would think Barb is the incumbent since she has a long and proven record of making the Whittier, Steven Square, and Phillips neighborhoods a better place to live and work (check out www.barblickness.com for the details). What experience in the Whittier, Phillips, or Stevens Square neighborhoods does Mr. Kallenbach have? Where is Mr. Kallenbach's "activism" for the people of the sixth ward? When are we going to hear about this? Where was Dean when the school and park were being planned? Where was Dean when the Neighborhood Early Learning Center at Whittier Park was being planned? Where was Dean when Nicollet Avenue was being redeveloped? Where was Dean when the owner of Good Choice grocery was trying to navigate his way through the city bureaucracy and open his business? Where was Dean when after-school program funding for kids was in jeopardy? (I could go on and on but you can check it out for yourself on the web site or literature.) The Stonewall and DFL endorsement processes are long over Mr. Stafford---please move on. Let's allow the candidates to talk about their ideas, hopes, and dreams for the future of our neighborhoods and city. Terry F Erickson Sixth Ward Barb Lickness for City Council Campaign Manager Experience. Leadership. Opportunity. - Original Message - From: "Rick Stafford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mpls Issues List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [Mpls] Re: Sabri's Proposal/Stonewall DFL/ All About Lisa > > > Eva Young wrote: > > > ...Barb Lickness in 6th ward wasn't even rated as > > acceptable (I've heard that some of the mayor's staff, and Jackie > > Cherryhome's people came into that Stonewall endorsing meeting to help the > > Stonewall endorsement of Kallenbach), and Robert Lilligren wasn't rated as > > acceptable in the 8th ward. > > > ___ > > Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy > > Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: > > http://e-democracy.org/mpls > > ___ > Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy > Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: > http://e-democracy.org/mpls > > ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Illegal Immigrant Drivers Licenses
ooopss! re-certification, that is, or renewal. Dean Lindberg wrote: > > How about a state driver's "certificate" rather than a license, perhaps > with an annual or biannual rectification required. It might look > exactly like a driver's license, but of course the expiration date would > always be one or two years off, instead of the four years for regular licenses. > > Dean Lindberg > Minnehaha > > ___ > Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy > Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: > http://e-democracy.org/mpls > ___ > Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy > Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: > http://e-democracy.org/mpls -- Dean Lindberg 5335 39th Avenue South Minneapolis, MN 55417 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] DFL Convention arraignments
Except for a few minor problems, it was a well run convention. The rules were understandable and reasonable (except for drop rule for board candidates) After some initial confusion, Julie Mattson Ostrow, the arraignments chair got the "Sign Wars" on Friday night under control with some very clear instructions and explanations. There was food available While it would have been better to have the candidate/organization tables upstairs, the downstairs hall was a good option given fire code requirements. In fact, Julie deserves a thank you from everyone. She put up with all the minor complaints throughout the day and did a great job (even trying to deal with temperature problems.) There was NEVER a line at the registration tables--and the credentials reports never caused a delay--the computerized registration database actually worked!--thank you Sue Ponsford >.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.>.> sheldon mainsseward neighborhoodminneapolis [EMAIL PROTECTED] the shameless agitator in the electronic town square ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Illegal Immigrant Drivers Licenses
How about a state driver's "certificate" rather than a license, perhaps with an annual or biannual rectification required. It might look exactly like a driver's license, but of course the expiration date would always be one or two years off, instead of the four years for regular licenses. Dean Lindberg Minnehaha ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] CNIA's NRP funds frozen again
FYI: I spoke to Robert Miller and Robert Cooper, of NRP's Citizen Participation office, and was told that CNIA's funds were once again being frozen (or already had been as of last Friday?), due in part to ongoing inconsistencies and the latest claim by the current CNIA board that $110,000 of funds had gone missing. This is very upsetting to me to see our neighborhood organization continue to go down the crapper because of poor judgment and leadership by various current board members and staff (A side note: I believe that the people involved have good intentions for the most part but are very misguided in their thinking and actions). I know that this is not new news, but I would be interested to hear from those of you who have weathered similar challenges in your respective neighborhoods and how you were able to overcome them. I don't want to see Central Neighborhood and its residents continue to suffer while a few misguided individuals take the rest of us down a very bad road. I know that we can make it through this challenge but I feel that we really need the support of our other neighbors and neighborhoods to make it out in one piece. We have our annual meeting coming up on May 22nd and there are a number of issues to be brought up. any ideas on how to bring them up in a positive and constructive way. Is there anyone out there who would be willing to observe our meeting and/or act as a friendly, volunteer mediator of sorts? We can use all the help we can get. Thank you in advance for your ideas and support. Let's hope that we will not have to repay it in the same way further down the road. Respectfully, Matthew Dufresne Central ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Mark Stenglein weekend event
I was amused by Steve Sumner's sentence: "Tons of enthusiastic Mark Stenglein supporters showed up on Saturday May 5 in front of Sgt. Preston's in SE Minneapolis." Measuring people by weight is a touchy point for us oldsters with expanding waistlines, but I was curious about what "tons of supporters" translates into, peoplewise, since the franchise is quantized, one per person regardless of weight. So under various assumptions about number of tons represented and the average weight of Mark's supporters, here is what his turnout was: Tons of Average StengleinNumber of Supporters Supporter (in lbs) Supporters -- --- 2 100 40 2 150 26.7 2 200 20 3 100 60 3 150 40 3 200 30 So Steve, what is the average weight of a Stenglein supporter?? Alan S Downtown Don't ask me the difference between a long ton and a short ton!! ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Re: Sabri's Proposal/Stonewall DFL/ All About Lisa
Eva Young wrote: > ...Barb Lickness in 6th ward wasn't even rated as > acceptable (I've heard that some of the mayor's staff, and Jackie > Cherryhome's people came into that Stonewall endorsing meeting to help the > Stonewall endorsement of Kallenbach), and Robert Lilligren wasn't rated as > acceptable in the 8th ward. > Rick Stafford writes: I offer facts for Eva, instead of rumor, as to what happened in regard to the Stonewall screening for the 6th Ward endorsement. Eva, the individuals who voted on the recommendation to the full Stonewall Board for endorsement and unacceptability had a variety of reasons to not find Ms. Lickness acceptable. I don't know each individual's reasons but, among them I heard was that she had run as Independent (hiding her Republican affiliation at that time) against a great friend of the GLBT community, Jim Niland; her lack of sensitive to neighborhood concerns in the Fair/Oaks area of Whittier; and, yes, her not abiding by the DFL process. Secondly, Jackie Cherryhomes and any of her "people" were not in attendance during the screening or voting to help Dean Kallenbach!!! The only person from the mayor's staff that was present during the voting was original founder of the GLBT DFL Caucus and 6th Ward resident and current chair of Linda Berglin's campaign, Vernon Wetternach. Also, unlike many of the other ward screening contests, most of the participants were actual residents of the Sixth Ward. Too many of the detractors to the actions taken by screening participants like to invent ghosts and unfactual events! I might also add that while the Stonewall Board did give Mr. Kallenbach their endorsement the Board decided to find Jonathan Palmer acceptable. Rick Stafford Powderhorn Park - Ward 9 > > ___ > Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy > Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: > http://e-democracy.org/mpls ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Charter commission & antiquated laws
There's a fascinating piece in this weeks' Southwest Journal about the Minneapolis Charter Commission being hamstrung in repealing out of date laws (such as places for selling straw). Seems the laws run to 50 pages, and publishing them in ballot form (so voters could decide) would be prohibitively expensive. The City Council can repeal them by a 13-0 vote, but the laws still have to be published in the city's official newspaper (is it still Finance & Commerce?), also too expensive. Therefore, the city might go to the legislature (almost certainly next year at the earliest) to get an exemption from the publishing request. When/if the city does go to St. Paul, they should ask that the legislature allow them to substitute web publishing for paper publishing. That way, interested readers can see the text, just online instead of in the paper. I know what some of you are thinking - "what about the digital divide?" Well, folks, lets be real: how many of us see Finance & Commerce anyway? My bet is more folks have web access! Even those who don't can get it a public library almost as easily as finding Finance & Commerce on the street. And as a further compromise, the legislature could insist that the web address of the outdated-law document be published to alert citizens where to surf. I wonder if newspaper lobbyists would oppose this as a precedent to the lucrative official-document publishing monopoly? But as a taxpayer, I think it's time as come! Beyond cost, the web is more available than some of these obscure official publications. David Brauer King Field - Ward 10 ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Proposed Changes to Creek Corridor
There was a story on this topic in the Star Tribune (the Newspaper That Doesn't Cover the Park Board) on July 5, 1999. I'm not allowed to post it but it's available for free at library terminals. Steve Brandt ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Proposed Changes to Creek Corridor
I'm jumping into this question a bit late, but here's what I'm wondering: There must have been some sort of "public input" session on this plan -- is there anywhere I can find out what sorts of recommendations people made? I know there will be maps and information available at the meeting on May 14th (thanks Pam & Co.!), but is there anywhere I can view this information before the meeting, so I can form some sort of educated opinion? I checked the City's website under parks, and learned what the project was and when its estimated completion date is, but would love some visuals. I also vaguely remember hearing that we needed to widen the bike and ped paths by 6 ft in order to qualify for Fed funds -- is this true? And if so, is it worth the money to build wider trails vs. keeping the same trail system and not taking down trees and possibly causing more erosion and run off? Has anyone either with Parks or the MCWD calculated how many trees we'll need to remove, and what the impact of possible run off and erosion will be for areas downstream, especially Lake Nokomis? It would be a real pity to send a lot of junk downstream into the lake after so many have worked so hard on the clean up project there. Pam's question about whether we should maximize the trails for safety and numbers of users vs. keeping the environment and character as it is is a good one. I'm selfish enough that I want to keep the creek corridor more "wild," instead of installing a big wide ribbon of fresh asphalt that will encourage more and faster moving bike and blade traffic through the area. The paths around the lakes serve the meet and greet and exercise and promenade parks functions -- but I'm hoping the path along the creek can keep its quieter character. Sara Strzok Tangletown -- a creek runs through it, but we're having our annual meeting on the 14th. At 06:56 PM 5/7/01 -0500, Pam Blixt wrote: >Bob Gustafson wrote: >north woods, a few miles from Canada (Sorry >Dave, I left Mpls for a moment).Perhaps I have lived in the city too >long however, but I also find myself, along with several hundred >others on a nice day, walking the Lakes or Minnehaha Creek to get a >piece of that feeling. The scary thing is how in tune I am with my >city, enjoying the environment found walking on a warm summer night >through the warehouse district, absorbing the smells, sound and lights >of the city. Of course when you're walking the lakes you appreciate >separate paths, and wide ones so you can get around oncoming traffic. >Yes, that means some trees are gone. I guess that is a compromise. I >can make that compromise, I realize others can't.> > >questions. For example, should our parks be managed for recreation >purposes, gamefields, tot lots, pools, tennis courts, walking paths or >should parts be left to grow back to a "natural" state (who gets to >decide what that "natural" state is at this point). > > >I want to get a feel from people if you do support increasing the >trail widths next to the creek by six feet in order to increase safety >and the amount of users. How should our remaining "natural" >environments in the city be managed? Should they by viewed as >recreation areas to get the maximum amount of users safely in them or >should we be trying to reduce the use by people to promote a return to >a more environmentally sensitive corridor that could also be used by >animals and such. How green must a trail corridor be for enjoyment? > >Let's hear opinions before our meeting on the 14th! This inquiring >policy maker in interested in the discussion before she has to make a >decision... > >Pam Blixt >Nokomis East > > > > >___ >Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy >Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: >http://e-democracy.org/mpls > > ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Mark Stenglein receives enthusiastic support over the weekend
Tons of enthusiastic Mark Stenglein supporters showed up on Saturday May 5 in front of Sgt. Preston's in SE Minneapolis. Loud cheers went up as Stenglein stated that It's about Leadership, it's about Change, It's about Time. A very large cross section of the city's population was in attendance, all eager to hear Stenglein message. Mark Stenglein also said that he was overwhelmed by the crowds of supportive attendees on his visit to the DFL city convention. Mark Stenglein and dozens of his supporters enjoyed the warm reception that they received during the May Day parade. It really looks as if the people of the city of Minneapolis are really eager for some real leadership, that which only Mark Stenglein can provide. Steve Sumner NE Minneapolis Ward 1 resident ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Illegal Immigrant Drivers Licenses
To respond to both accusations at the same time made by JHarmon, I'll begin with the one about paying taxes. Well, the truth of the matter is that illegal immigrants do pay taxes. They pay taxes in the form of income taxes (where they don't get returns), they pay sales tax, taxes for rent, etc. They just don't get anything for those taxes. Allowing for illegals to get drivers licenses just allows them to take advantage of one thing that they do pay taxes for. As for the reason that housing rights people defending dilapitated housing, it occurs for the simple fact that without that housing, there would be NOTHING for low income people. It's not as if the state and city are building massive amounts of quality low income housing that advocates are ignoring out of sheer willfulness, they just see the practical situation being a option between bad housing and no housing. The same thing is true for illegal immigrants. They're here, and they are for a large part driving our economy. Not recognizing this just allows the gross exploitation of them to continue. A driver's license is just one small step towards a life of dignity for such people, the next step would be better paying jobs, and education for their children. I feel a greater deal of solidarity with the highly exploited, hard working illegal immigrants than I do with most people in this country. Robert Wood green party member/irate foucaldian resident of St. Paul, university employee/student ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Immigrants
As a candidate for city council in the 6th ward, I can say that this issue probably affects my ward more than any other. The emerging immigrant populations (documented or un) have literally saved my neighborhood. The emergence of businesses to serve the new communities have added life and vibrance to blocks that used to be dark and desolate. The establishment of the Mexican Latino businesses on South Nicollet and Lake street have turned the area into one of the busiest areas in town. What was once an old ramshackle warehouse on 29th and Pillsbury is now a thriving busy Somolian marketplace. The affect on the economy from these emerging immigrant populations is huge and will continue to be huge. I am thrilled to see these communities building economic bases for themselves and their people. As a Irish/Norwegian white woman who isn't too thrilled about the culinary choices of her own ethnic persuasion, I enjoy having such a variety of choices of restuarants and stores. World Class food at McDonald's prices. Who can beat that? I wouldn't trade what I have in Whitier for all the suburban strip malls in the world. As for taxes? The immigrant population pay tons of taxes. Sales tax, gas tax, property tax, city tax, state tax, federal tax, and any other tax that the rest of us are paying. It would be interesting to see what the tax contribution is just from the people in my ward. I know it's gigantic. And no one asks them whether they are documented or not when they are taking their money. In terms of immigration? It's not a local issue. I agree with allowing easier access to work visas for people that come here whether their intentions are to immigrate here permanently or not. I also agree with allowing them to get driver's licenses. I lived in India and was allowed to drive there. I also lived in Canada and was allowed to drive using my Minnesota Drivers license. So...as a resident of Minnesota's Ellis Island, I say bring on the immigrants. It's an asset in my neighborhood, not a liability. Barb Lickness Whittier Ward 6 City Council Candidate __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Illegal Immigrant Drivers Licenses
Kushner says: At the same time that the laws officially prohibit people from coming to this country, business policies and practices strongly encourage immigrants to fill jobs that are too low wage for local citizens but are high wage for middle class families living in third world conditions. This is the same sort of argument used by housing advocates that don't wish to see filthy, delapitated housing torn down because it'd be perfect for some "poor" family or "single mom". It only perpetuates the problem. JHarmon Cleveland >From: "Jordan S. Kushner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Dooley, Bill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >CC: Discuss Minneapolis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [Mpls] Illegal Immigrant Drivers Licenses >Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 09:53:21 -0500 > >After my numerous postings criticizing the police chief and his >policies, it is appropriate to express recognition and appreciation of >his principled and practical advocacy of drivers licenses for undocument >immigrants (commonly labelled by the government and media as "illegal >aliens"). > >State and local authorities should not concern themselves with enforcing >federal immigration laws. The problem is that the national immigration >polices are contradictory and a colossal injustice. At the same time >that the laws officially prohibit people from coming to this country, >business policies and practices strongly encourage immigrants to fill >jobs that are too low wage for local citizens but are high wage for >middle class families living in third world conditions. Undocumented >immigrants are filling probably tens of thousands of jobs in >Minneapolis, paying taxes, and starting small businesses. At the same >time as they make the equivalent contribution to the economy of a U.S. >citizen, they must greatly restrict their lives based on the constant >threat of deportation. > >There is currently a political potential for some meaningful immigration >reform. The new Mexican government has been actively lobbying to lift >immigration restrictions. Within the past couple of months, the Bush >administration floated a proposal to grant temporary legal status for >immigrants to work in this country. The policy of local and state >agencies should be to facilitate as much normalization for undocument >immigrants as possible, while elected officials should pressure Congress >to provide for amnesty for undocumented immigrants. > >I am interested in hearing the positions of are local candidates, and >local and state elected officials on this issue. > >Jordan Kushner >Powderhorn, Ward 8 >"Dooley, Bill" wrote: > > > > According to a story in today's Star Tribune, both Chief Olson and Chief > > Finney support the granting of drivers licenses to illegal immigrants >while > > Department of Public Safety Commissioner Weaver opposes it. > > >http://www.startribune.com/viewers/qview/cgi/qview.cgi?template=metro_a_cach > > e&slug=legl05 > > > > One side says it allows their city to keep better tabs on its drivers >and > > residents while the other side says drivers licenses are a significant > > entree which allows its holders to obtain other documents. Comments >please. > > > > Bill Dooley > > Ward 13 > > Kenny > > > > ___ > > Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy > > Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: > > http://e-democracy.org/mpls >___ >Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy >Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: >http://e-democracy.org/mpls _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Re: Illegal Immigrant Drivers Licenses
Driving isn't a right of anyone in this country; it's a privelege. So provided "illegal immigrants" pay their share of state and local taxes to fix up Minnesota's roads and keep current on their tabs and automobile insurance premiums, then I'd have no problem with them obtaining a driver's license. Haven't Finney and Olson ever heard of a Minnesota Identification card? JHarmon Cleveland >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [Mpls] Re: Illegal Immigrant Drivers Licenses >Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 23:44:53 EDT > >In my opinion, illegal immigrants should be able to obtain a drivers >license. > Also, individuals with a visa status should have the same ability. But >if >people are concerned about this being the gateway to obtain other >documents, >then we should grant those individuals a drivers license that is >differentiated from a resident drivers license. For instance, we could >give >them a drivers license that is a different color or that has some kind of >stamp/symbol indicating their non-resident status. By having this type of >license, they would not be able to get other documents. > >Basim Sabri >Central/Whittier/Lowry Hill East >___ >Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy >Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: >http://e-democracy.org/mpls _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Re: pedestrains and right of way
I used to walk about once a week along forty-second street. The walk sign buttons around the 35W freeway bridge never worked. I called to report them repeatedly. It's hard to arrange to have paper and pencil to take location notes when your hands are gloved in mittens, and its aggravating to call to report broken lights, especially when nothing is done about them. That route is no longer one that I walk, so I don't know if the buttons/signs are still broken, but in more recent years I haven't had much better response to other calls about lights that don't work as I think they should. I would also like to repeat what I said once before. Walk lights are a burden on traffic-law abiders. I am the only one I ever see waiting for the light when there is no traffic. Once the don't walk light system is in place it is against the law to cross when it says "don't walk." If new lights are to be installed, I would hope they would be a very quickly responsive kind for which a pedestrian could push a button, instead of the normal lighting system which demands that pedestrians wait at automated intervals regardless of non-existent traffic. Otherwise, I would hope there would be a law passed (repealed?) making it legal to cross when the light says "don't walk," provided there is no traffic. N.S. Gill About Guide to Minneapolis/St. Paul http://minneapolis.about.com About Guide to Ancient/Classical History http://ancienthistory.about.com > - Original Message - > From: "Bruce Gaarder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 10:12 AM > Subject: [Mpls] Re: pedestrains and right of way > > > > All of my descriptions have pretty much been predicated upon obeying the > > law (on both sides). In the example about "capturing the intersection", > > it was meant that the car was turning right on a green light, legally. > > > > If you know of intersections where the WALK light doesn't seem to function > > properly, you should report it to the city. I don't know whether there > are > > still signals without walk/don't walk lights. I would imagine that if > such > > exist, they are at lesser used intersections and might be hard to convince > > the powers to upgrade the lights. > > > > Bruce Gaarder > > Highland Park Saint Paul > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] stonewall endorsement response to tim bonham
Tim: I'm glad to hear your insight into the Stonewall endorsement process. However, if you're going to take into consideration whether or not a candidate stands a "serious" chance at getting elected, I'm wondering if you're endorsing too soon. RT's campaign is picking up some serious momentum and is coming off a HUGE and stunning upset at the convention this past Saturday. Alas, you endorsed Sharon a while back when RT was only just getting up and running. Although I'm sure you took other things into consideration while making your decision, it concerns me that this could have placed RT and other future candidates(especially challengers)at an unfair disadvantage. I speak from experience...about one year ago, I went to work for a US Senate candidate that pretty much EVERYONE thought was a noncontender and it was a battle to get any endorsements or support. I got the last laugh though, when everyone else finally jumped on the Mark Dayton bandwagon. Molly Schultz An Avid RT Supporter ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Re: Sabri's Proposal/Stonewall DFL/ All About Lisa
SABRI's PROPOSAL: At 11:50 AM 5/8/01 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Once again, Mr. Piehl is trying to manipulate my words and efforts I have >made to accommodate and work with the neighbors who are affected by my >proposal on 2nd Ave. Unfortunately, Mr. Piehl and a few others continue to >hope for artist housing at that location and will oppose any other proposals >for the site. Actually, David Piehl and others on the Healy/Baker blocks have been willing to support other ideas. A Motel just isn't one of those ideas. One of the most interesting is the idea for Senior housing - with some assisted living. >For the record, I never said that I would go around CM Herron to get a hotel >built. (Mr. Piehl's commentary is simply heresay). I do respect CM Herron in >his efforts to bring the neighborhood together, though I disagree with what >appears to be his opinion in the Strib article regarding the hotel. Heresay? It's first hand reporting -- what Mr. Piehl heard from a phone conversation with Sabri. It's a he said, he said situation. >On Thursday at 6 p.m. at the site on 2nd Ave., I will be holding a meeting >for a proposed alternative based on what I have gathered the neighbors at the >last meeting want in the area. I never indicated that this will be an >ultimatum for usage at the site. It is a proposal that has been created >based on suggestions from the neighborhood. For those who don't know about >the site, there is only one resident on the 2nd Ave. block. It seems the >impression has been given that there would be numerous properties affected on >the block by this proposal. This meeting will be purely informational only. >I am very concerned about the immediate neighbors to the site and would like >to have their opinion at the meeting. It's a good first step that Sabri is showing concern for the neighbors in this area.. >If I feel that this project is fit for >the majority of the people, I will bring it before the CNIA Business Dev. >committee then onto CNIA, who is the legitimate association for this >neighborhood. Hope to see a good turnout on Thursday! Full disclosure again: Zack Metoyer, is President of CNIA and Chairs the CNIA Business Development meetings. Zack has worked for Basim Sabri in the past. Valery Metoyer (Zack's wife) continues to be an employee of Sabri. --- STONEWALL DFL: Do they represent GLBT Interests? Regarding Tim Bonham's post on Stonewall's process: - in the 'old days', we were so happy that candidates would actually come to our screenings that we endorsed pretty much everyone who showed up. And any GLBT candidate got endorsed almost automatically. Not so any more! Our screening meetings have become much more selective about who they endorse or rate acceptable. This year, even more than other recent years, there were several GLBT candidates who were not endorsed, and not even rated as acceptable! - we've become more serious about 'endorsing good people'. Our screening groups have extending beyond asking 'will this candidate support GLBT issues?' to considering things like 'does this candidate have a serious chance to be elected?' & 'would this candidate do a good job in the office?'. --- The answer to both these questions are yes. Robert Lilligren is working his butt off in his campaign for City Council. That is part of the reason I'm supporting him. Barb Lickness in 6th ward wasn't even rated as acceptable (I've heard that some of the mayor's staff, and Jackie Cherryhome's people came into that Stonewall endorsing meeting to help the Stonewall endorsement of Kallenbach), and Robert Lilligren wasn't rated as acceptable in the 8th ward. What is so odd about this, is that it seems that an unacceptable rating would mean that a candidate is anti-gay. And certainly Stonewall should screen out these characters. (LCR/MN certainly does). But both Barb Lickness and Robert Lilligren are good on GLBT issues, hard workers, electable and would be asset's to the City Council. Neither of these candidates would be Sayles Belton or Cherryhomes pawns. Maybe that's the problem. -- ALL ABOUT LISA For the second time, Mr. Sabri has posted a long rant criticizing candidate for Mayor, Lisa McDonald. Lisa McDonald has a long history of service to the city. She also has a long history of not kowtowing to Sabri. It makes me sleep better at night knowing that Lisa is chair of the Zoning committee -- where Sabri's zoning variance will have to be approved. Anyway, if David Piehl is the proud winner of the Basim Sabri "Pain in the A**" award, then Lisa McDonald perhaps is the winner of the Sabri "Pain in the Kazoo City Council Member" Award. Congratulations to both Piehl and McDonald. Eva Young Central ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnes
Re: [Mpls] Stonewall DFL Misses the Boat in 8th Ward race
Eva: Say more...specifics about the obvious choice. I don't have a clue what Lilligren has done for the GLBT community. This isn't a negative, but I just don't know what he has done. I do know that Brian has supported the Black GLBT community (a community many say doesn't exist). Matthea Smith Powderhorn Park 9-4 --- Eva Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >2001 presents an historic opportunity to > really > >experience the capacity of Stonewall DFL and > the > >broader GLBT community. With four strong > openly gay > >City Council candidates and a longer slate of > folks on > >all independent boards, the excitement has > just begun. > >I welcome more comments about these fabulous > trends. > There are FIVE openly gay City Council > Candidates not four. Four of these > were endorsed by Stonewall. I happen to think > Robert Lilligren in the > eighth ward is the cream of this crop. Check > out his website at: > > http://www.voterobert.com/ > > Many gays in the Central neighborhood were > appalled that Stonewall found > Robert unacceptable. The only reason for this > was that Robert would not > agree to bide by DFL endorsement. That > question should not get asked with > Stonewall DFL screenings. Council Member Brian > Herron isn't a bad guy, but > he has done nothing to earn the Stonewall DFL > endorsement. When you > compare Robert Lilligren and Brian Herron on > GLBT issues the choice is > obvious. > > Robert's answers to the Stonewall questionaire > are available at the E > Democracy Minneapolis Issues Election Toolkit: > > http://www.e-democracy.org/mpls/lilligrenstonewall.htm > > http://www.e-democracy.org/mpls/Mpls%202001%20Election%20Toolkit.htm > > Note that Brian Herron's answers to this > questionaire are not available > here. Why not? Why not let people look for > themselves at Herron's answers > to these questions and Lilligren's answers and > decide for themselves which > candidates is better on GLBT issues? > > Robert also posts regularly on this list, > returns phone calls, and responds > to email. That is always a plus for a City > Council member. > > Since we are talking about history here. Many > folks recall Mark Wallem. > Annie Young mentioned him in a recent post to > the list. Mark was in town > this weekend, and he visited the City DFL > convention. Years ago Gay > activists in the Stonewall DFL predecessor were > instrumental in deepsixing > Alfred Babington Johnson's campaign for school > board. Babington Johnson > was endorsed enthursiastically by the DFL > elected official establishment. > Peter McLaughlin was one of his biggest > boosters. Babington Johnson had > some rather disturbing anti-gay views. His > endorsement was blocked at the > City DFL convention. In the primary he came in > 6 out of 7. In the general > election he came in 4th, so he lost the seat. > Mark Wallem and Michelle St > Martin were very instrumental in this effort. > George Brady of the > Teamsters Union was also instrumental. I > helped a bit also. This was lots > of fun. > > Eva > Eva Young > Central > > ___ > Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota > E-Democracy > Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and > more: > http://e-democracy.org/mpls __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] patrick peterson minor correction
Tim Bonham wrote: <> For the record, I spoke with Ross often in his campaign. I think Ross is looking forward to working with Patrick, but in the endorsing convention he was scrupulous about not supporting any other candidate. Thanks for all the replies. I got one off-list suggesting that I should not ignore that Peterson is quite an accomplished candidate. Nothing I noted should take away from that. It's just that he overcame some traditionally formidable obstacles to win the endorsement, and that may, as many have indicated, have some signifance that goes beyond the school board. Dennis Schapiro ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Minn's _______ quotes
I don't believe Steve Minn needs anyone to come to his defense when someone calls him an idiot. I know at times he has engaged in a little name calling himself. I think however that anyone who believes his comments were entirely baseless and "idiotic" might be missing the fact that this "idiot" has raised, in his usual timid and indirect style, a good point odf discussion. I asked Dave off list yesterday how many delegates could have been at the convention. There were apparently 3,500 possible slots. At the 13 ward conventions 1,300 showed up and at the citywide convention 916 showed. My interest was in congratulating Dave for his efforts to change the system and the numbers highlight the potential for improvement. One could look at these numbers however and argue that the city of Minneapolis voters show up at a higher percentage than delegates show up to the convention. Was the convention boiled down to mainly extremists? Depends on who defines extremist. If you look at the person sitting in the governor's chair it might make you wonder what happened to the other grand political parties of Minnesota. Were the independents the extremists or were the DFL and IR's? Good question, but it is clear that the general electorate was not all that impressed with the selections of the two major parties. I saw a lot of DFLers commenting after that the problem was the electorate just didn't get their message, and if they had they would obviously have voted differently. Would you call this thinking arrogant, or possibly idiotic? Minn's quote called the delegates a "microcosm of a group of extremists." I think activist might be a word that would be more appropriate and probably more acceptable to the delegates. I don't know about everyone out there but I try to read a portion of the postings to this site on a regular basis and I sit on a volunteer committee at City Hall that I actually have to take vacation days to attend some all day meetings. I think that makes me an activist. My wife at times would more properly label me an extremist, and thats on her good days. I thought the postings on the growth of the Stonewall caucus were fitting. One mentioned how they are concentrating now on not just whether the candidate is GLBT but whether they are good people who will do a good job and "do they have a chance of getting elected!" Will we eventually see the day where we don't need a Stonewall caucus but we can all just concentrate on whether they are a good person and will they do a good job? I must be an idiot to think that day will ever come. Bob Gustafson 13 __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Re: Minn's idiotic quotes
I don't know who can seriously expect that kind of "perspective" to be respected, on or off this list, but anytime he wishes to do so Mr. Minn knows he can respond to what I think are pertinent questions raised by Mr. Kushner. Kristine Harley Sheridan resident ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Stonewall DFL Misses the Boat in 8th Ward race
I find this whole issue of Stonewall placing so much emphasis on supporting candidates pledging to honor endorsement to be quite perplexing. Accross the river in St. Paul we've got 6 DFLers trying to succeed Norm. I believe that of the 6, 5 screened with Stonewall. Now, of these five only 1 candidate has pledged to honor the DFL endorsement, but that's not who Stonewall endorsed. I just find this all quite confusing. Does the organization have different standards for MPLS candidates then St. Paul candidates? Jesse Kanson-Benanav St. Paul --On Tuesday, May 08, 2001 10:36 AM -0500 Eva Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> 2001 presents an historic opportunity to really >> experience the capacity of Stonewall DFL and the >> broader GLBT community. With four strong openly gay >> City Council candidates and a longer slate of folks on >> all independent boards, the excitement has just begun. >> I welcome more comments about these fabulous trends. > There are FIVE openly gay City Council Candidates not four. Four of these > were endorsed by Stonewall. I happen to think Robert Lilligren in the > eighth ward is the cream of this crop. Check out his website at: > > http://www.voterobert.com/ > > Many gays in the Central neighborhood were appalled that Stonewall found > Robert unacceptable. The only reason for this was that Robert would not > agree to bide by DFL endorsement. That question should not get asked with > Stonewall DFL screenings. Council Member Brian Herron isn't a bad guy, > but he has done nothing to earn the Stonewall DFL endorsement. When you > compare Robert Lilligren and Brian Herron on GLBT issues the choice is > obvious. > > Robert's answers to the Stonewall questionaire are available at the E > Democracy Minneapolis Issues Election Toolkit: > > http://www.e-democracy.org/mpls/lilligrenstonewall.htm > > http://www.e-democracy.org/mpls/Mpls%202001%20Election%20Toolkit.htm > > Note that Brian Herron's answers to this questionaire are not available > here. Why not? Why not let people look for themselves at Herron's > answers to these questions and Lilligren's answers and decide for > themselves which candidates is better on GLBT issues? > > Robert also posts regularly on this list, returns phone calls, and > responds to email. That is always a plus for a City Council member. > > Since we are talking about history here. Many folks recall Mark Wallem. > Annie Young mentioned him in a recent post to the list. Mark was in town > this weekend, and he visited the City DFL convention. Years ago Gay > activists in the Stonewall DFL predecessor were instrumental in deepsixing > Alfred Babington Johnson's campaign for school board. Babington Johnson > was endorsed enthursiastically by the DFL elected official establishment. > Peter McLaughlin was one of his biggest boosters. Babington Johnson had > some rather disturbing anti-gay views. His endorsement was blocked at the > City DFL convention. In the primary he came in 6 out of 7. In the > general election he came in 4th, so he lost the seat. Mark Wallem and > Michelle St Martin were very instrumental in this effort. George Brady > of the Teamsters Union was also instrumental. I helped a bit also. This > was lots of fun. > > Eva > Eva Young > Central > > ___ > Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy > Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: > http://e-democracy.org/mpls ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Re: Sabri's Proposal
Once again, Mr. Piehl is trying to manipulate my words and efforts I have made to accommodate and work with the neighbors who are affected by my proposal on 2nd Ave. Unfortunately, Mr. Piehl and a few others continue to hope for artist housing at that location and will oppose any other proposals for the site. For the record, I never said that I would go around CM Herron to get a hotel built. (Mr. Piehl's commentary is simply heresay). I do respect CM Herron in his efforts to bring the neighborhood together, though I disagree with what appears to be his opinion in the Strib article regarding the hotel. On Thursday at 6 p.m. at the site on 2nd Ave., I will be holding a meeting for a proposed alternative based on what I have gathered the neighbors at the last meeting want in the area. I never indicated that this will be an ultimatum for usage at the site. It is a proposal that has been created based on suggestions from the neighborhood. For those who don't know about the site, there is only one resident on the 2nd Ave. block. It seems the impression has been given that there would be numerous properties affected on the block by this proposal. This meeting will be purely informational only. I am very concerned about the immediate neighbors to the site and would like to have their opinion at the meeting. If I feel that this project is fit for the majority of the people, I will bring it before the CNIA Business Dev. committee then onto CNIA, who is the legitimate association for this neighborhood. Hope to see a good turnout on Thursday! Basim Sabri Central ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Re: friends in high places
Interesting schedule.
Saturday: Spend Day at DFL convention
Sunday: Go to hospital for pneumonia
Monday: Spend day as host for Dalai Lama.
Humm, I guess I have heard of the 24 hour flu. . . . . . . .
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From: "Dyna Sluyter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [Mpls] Re: friends in high places
> I believe KMSP's news sunday night showed her getting off a
> Metro Transit bus decorated with her campaign signs. The background
> looked like Powderhorn Park on Mayday. Could have been file footage
> though. Her voice sounded awful, so the pneumonia makes sense. None
> the less, her campaign should have been up and running saturday. Too
> bad the mayor and her campaign don't have e-mail, forcing us to
> speculate.
>
> peace,
> Dyna Sluyter from Hawthorne
>
> >'''I heard at the convention that the mayor had recently been
> >discharged from
> >hospital where she had been treated for pneumonia. Could explain her
absence
> >at the parade.
> >
> >Jude Poseley
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> service truck")
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Re: [Mpls] Stonewall DFL Misses the Boat in 8th Ward race
>2001 presents an historic opportunity to really >experience the capacity of Stonewall DFL and the >broader GLBT community. With four strong openly gay >City Council candidates and a longer slate of folks on >all independent boards, the excitement has just begun. >I welcome more comments about these fabulous trends. There are FIVE openly gay City Council Candidates not four. Four of these were endorsed by Stonewall. I happen to think Robert Lilligren in the eighth ward is the cream of this crop. Check out his website at: http://www.voterobert.com/ Many gays in the Central neighborhood were appalled that Stonewall found Robert unacceptable. The only reason for this was that Robert would not agree to bide by DFL endorsement. That question should not get asked with Stonewall DFL screenings. Council Member Brian Herron isn't a bad guy, but he has done nothing to earn the Stonewall DFL endorsement. When you compare Robert Lilligren and Brian Herron on GLBT issues the choice is obvious. Robert's answers to the Stonewall questionaire are available at the E Democracy Minneapolis Issues Election Toolkit: http://www.e-democracy.org/mpls/lilligrenstonewall.htm http://www.e-democracy.org/mpls/Mpls%202001%20Election%20Toolkit.htm Note that Brian Herron's answers to this questionaire are not available here. Why not? Why not let people look for themselves at Herron's answers to these questions and Lilligren's answers and decide for themselves which candidates is better on GLBT issues? Robert also posts regularly on this list, returns phone calls, and responds to email. That is always a plus for a City Council member. Since we are talking about history here. Many folks recall Mark Wallem. Annie Young mentioned him in a recent post to the list. Mark was in town this weekend, and he visited the City DFL convention. Years ago Gay activists in the Stonewall DFL predecessor were instrumental in deepsixing Alfred Babington Johnson's campaign for school board. Babington Johnson was endorsed enthursiastically by the DFL elected official establishment. Peter McLaughlin was one of his biggest boosters. Babington Johnson had some rather disturbing anti-gay views. His endorsement was blocked at the City DFL convention. In the primary he came in 6 out of 7. In the general election he came in 4th, so he lost the seat. Mark Wallem and Michelle St Martin were very instrumental in this effort. George Brady of the Teamsters Union was also instrumental. I helped a bit also. This was lots of fun. Eva Eva Young Central ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Mayor endorsemtment or lack of .....
I believe the Shubert move was approximately $4 million with the promise from Artspace to earn the money to rehabilitate it. JHarmon Cleveland >From: "Terrell Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "mpls-issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [Mpls] Mayor endorsemtment or lack of . >Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 06:43:59 -0500 > >So the Mayor of Minneapolis couldnt get her party to support her bid for >reelection and it sounds like she is in denial. She just cant figure out >why. > >Her public explanation is that the left wing of the DFL is upset with the >money she gave to Target Corporation to build a downtown store. I think >its >much more than the left wing of the DFL that doesnt approve of the >Target >subsidy, a subsidy that has increased substantially from the amount of her >original proposal. Can you say doubled? > >Even if you thought that the Target project was a good use of City of >Minneapolis money, it doesnt seem unreasonable to expect a realistic >projection of how much it will cost. Maybe just a little bit of candidness >on what this stuff costs, not this oh, by the way, were going to need to >spend just a little bit more > >Its like LRT. I heard an interesting tidbit on MPR this morning about >LRT. >The Met Council project manager for the LRT project was recently the >project >manager for the new Safeco Field, the new baseball park in Seattle. How >many hundred million did that thing go over budget? I dont like the trend >here. (and I like the concept of LRT > >We know from our Metrodome experience that it is possible to build a public >project on time and on budget. MNDOT seems to be able to do come in on >time, on budget with their projects. Why cant Minneapolis and Met Council >do the same thing? > >We moved the Shubert Theatre a couple of years back. It sits boarded up on >its new location right on Hennepin Avenue. No progress. How much did >Mayor >Sayles-Belton have us spend on that one? How much will she have us spend >on >Block E? Oh, yes Block E. Thats what we moved the Shubert off of because >construction was immanent >. > >So why is the Mayor having trouble with her reelection bid? Maybe its her >misplaced priorities. Shes spending her time giving money to Target >Corporation and Block E developers while she ignores Police Department >racial profiling and lets restrictions stand that keep boarded up houses >owned by MCDA from becoming affordable housing. Real issues affecting real >people. She has good opponents this year, should it be a surprise that her >campaign is falling apart? > > > >Terrell >_ >Terrell Brown >Loring Park >110 West Grant Street >Minneapolis, MN 55403-2315 >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.terrellbrown.org > > > >___ >Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy >Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: >http://e-democracy.org/mpls _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Re: friends in high places
I believe KMSP's news sunday night showed her getting off a
Metro Transit bus decorated with her campaign signs. The background
looked like Powderhorn Park on Mayday. Could have been file footage
though. Her voice sounded awful, so the pneumonia makes sense. None
the less, her campaign should have been up and running saturday. Too
bad the mayor and her campaign don't have e-mail, forcing us to
speculate.
peace,
Dyna Sluyter from Hawthorne
>'''I heard at the convention that the mayor had recently been
>discharged from
>hospital where she had been treated for pneumonia. Could explain her absence
>at the parade.
>
>Jude Poseley
>The Wedge
>___
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wheelbase ) de N0EGF, qrv 70cm, 2m, 10-80m
proud IBT and APWU member for over 20 years, solidarity forever!
mk.1 Mini Cooper S, mk.2 Golf diezel, Ranger XL 4x4 longbed ("da
service truck")
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[Mpls] Re: stadium bills
I still don't like the bills, with the "interest free loan" and the "sales tax free zone". It seems to me that whatever the sales tax exemption is worth is an annual gift from the taxpayers to the team, so whatever the supposed "increase" (from previous proposals) in the team's outlay should be reduced by that sales tax amount. Let's look at the $140 million or so loan. Assuming that there are 100,000 baseball fans, a personal loan of $1,400 over 5 years at 10 percent interest gives a monthly payment of $29.75, and they would have the pride of being a part-owner of the stadium. Or $59.50 a month for 50,000 fans. Bruce Gaarder Highland Park Saint Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
RE: [Mpls] Re: pedestrians and right of way
There are many intersections with lights that do not have walk/don't walk lights, and the ones I've seen are on pretty busy streets. I think the reason for this is that if the cars see the flashing don't walk, they kick it down to make sure they make the light. Bruce Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blaine, MN -Original Message- From: Bruce Gaarder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 10:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mpls] Re: pedestrains and right of way All of my descriptions have pretty much been predicated upon obeying the law (on both sides). In the example about "capturing the intersection", it was meant that the car was turning right on a green light, legally. If you know of intersections where the WALK light doesn't seem to function properly, you should report it to the city. I don't know whether there are still signals without walk/don't walk lights. I would imagine that if such exist, they are at lesser used intersections and might be hard to convince the powers to upgrade the lights. Bruce Gaarder Highland Park Saint Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] Josh Kroll wrote: > I find this very interesting and I think that both parties, pedestrian and > driver should yield to common sense. > > Otherwise, what happens when the car has captured the intersection by > illegally stopping in the first crosswalk, does this illegal action allow the > driver to capture the intersection before the pedestrian has a chance. Or is > it this insane battle to infringe on the proper flows of traffic that cause > pedestrians to await their Walk sign with their feet in the intersection. > Just being devil's advocate. :) > > One other thing, some intersections NEVER display the Walk sign. I know in > the past that the intersection on the East side of the Franklin Bridge used > to have some signs that never displayed Walk sign. For many years, maybe > still today the flashing Don't Walk would flash 15 times at the intersection > of 26th Ave and Franklin. > > To me it is all about being aware of your surroundings, other cars and > pedestrians. I will especially yield to pedestrians during hailstorms and > other very bad weather. Common decency of others. ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Re: pedestrains and right of way
All of my descriptions have pretty much been predicated upon obeying the law (on both sides). In the example about "capturing the intersection", it was meant that the car was turning right on a green light, legally. If you know of intersections where the WALK light doesn't seem to function properly, you should report it to the city. I don't know whether there are still signals without walk/don't walk lights. I would imagine that if such exist, they are at lesser used intersections and might be hard to convince the powers to upgrade the lights. Bruce Gaarder Highland Park Saint Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] Josh Kroll wrote: > I find this very interesting and I think that both parties, pedestrian and > driver should yield to common sense. > > Otherwise, what happens when the car has captured the intersection by > illegally stopping in the first crosswalk, does this illegal action allow the > driver to capture the intersection before the pedestrian has a chance. Or is > it this insane battle to infringe on the proper flows of traffic that cause > pedestrians to await their Walk sign with their feet in the intersection. > Just being devil's advocate. :) > > One other thing, some intersections NEVER display the Walk sign. I know in > the past that the intersection on the East side of the Franklin Bridge used > to have some signs that never displayed Walk sign. For many years, maybe > still today the flashing Don't Walk would flash 15 times at the intersection > of 26th Ave and Franklin. > > To me it is all about being aware of your surroundings, other cars and > pedestrians. I will especially yield to pedestrians during hailstorms and > other very bad weather. Common decency of others. ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Sabri's Proposal & NoMotel.com
For anyone who has not heard yet, there is a web site with information regarding the motel proposal on the Baker block. The web site is: http://nomotel.com/ Also, Basim Sabri called me yesterday to invite everyone living in the area of the Baker Block, (proposed location for the motel) to attend a meeting and review an alternate proposal for the space. A tent will be set up on the space, Thursday at 6:00 to accomodate neighbors interested in reviewing the alternative proposal. Basim warned that this propsal would remove several additional residential properties, and that he would "go around" Council Member Herron to get approval for his motel if the alternate proposal is not accepted. I told Basim that I would pass the word about the meeting, and suggested that we all consider it a starting point (rather than an ultimatum) for an alternative proposal, as the loss of additional residential space is certain to be contentious. Many of the residents notified of the meeting have already stated that they will not support anything that requires zoning variances, as they feel this would open the door to a "bait and switch" which would ultimatly result in a motel being built. David Piehl Central __ The information contained in this message is private and confidential information which may also be subject to the attorney-client privilege and work product doctrine. This information is intended only for the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or copy of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and destroy all copies of the message. Thank you. ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Hometown Heartache
This morning's news includes a story about the misdemeanor indictment of a Cincinnati police officer responsible for the shooting of an unarmed young African-American man. The article reminded me how far away my hometown remains from meaningful racial healing. The recent riots and today's news were hardly surprising to meas a native Cincinnatian. I remember well the riots of 1968, and growing up in a city with more than its share of racial tension. An article in last Sunday's New York Times "Week in Review Section" raised interesting questions regarding the state of race relations in urban areas. The "Could it Happen Here?" headline made me wonder about conditions in Minneapolis. Racial profiling continues to be a major problem as well as economic disinvestment from the urban core, and huge gaps in education, and support for affordable housing. Racial justice is more than simply about community relations--it is at its core an issue of politics and power. "Race Matters" as Cornell West wrote, and it especially matters in a municipal campaign. A question for discussion for list members, and those running for municipal office this year. Is Minneapolis a "Cincinnati waiting to happen?" Why or why not? I'm interested in the discussion. Frank Hornstein Linden Hills 13-3 ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Re: friends in high places
''' I heard at the convention that the mayor had recently been discharged from hospital where she had been treated for pneumonia. Could explain her absence at the parade. Jude Poseley The Wedge ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Re: Minn's idiotic quotes
Nice to know one's opinion and perspective is respected on the list, Mr. Kushner. When the Strib starts calling you for your opinion, let us all know. Steve Minn -- >From: "Jordan S. Kushner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Steve Minn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Minn's idiotic quotes >Date: Mon, May 7, 2001, 9:49 PM > ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
[Mpls] Mayor endorsemtment or lack of .....
So the Mayor of Minneapolis couldnt get her party to support her bid for reelection and it sounds like she is in denial. She just cant figure out why. Her public explanation is that the left wing of the DFL is upset with the money she gave to Target Corporation to build a downtown store. I think its much more than the left wing of the DFL that doesnt approve of the Target subsidy, a subsidy that has increased substantially from the amount of her original proposal. Can you say doubled? Even if you thought that the Target project was a good use of City of Minneapolis money, it doesnt seem unreasonable to expect a realistic projection of how much it will cost. Maybe just a little bit of candidness on what this stuff costs, not this oh, by the way, were going to need to spend just a little bit more Its like LRT. I heard an interesting tidbit on MPR this morning about LRT. The Met Council project manager for the LRT project was recently the project manager for the new Safeco Field, the new baseball park in Seattle. How many hundred million did that thing go over budget? I dont like the trend here. (and I like the concept of LRT We know from our Metrodome experience that it is possible to build a public project on time and on budget. MNDOT seems to be able to do come in on time, on budget with their projects. Why cant Minneapolis and Met Council do the same thing? We moved the Shubert Theatre a couple of years back. It sits boarded up on its new location right on Hennepin Avenue. No progress. How much did Mayor Sayles-Belton have us spend on that one? How much will she have us spend on Block E? Oh, yes Block E. Thats what we moved the Shubert off of because construction was immanent . So why is the Mayor having trouble with her reelection bid? Maybe its her misplaced priorities. Shes spending her time giving money to Target Corporation and Block E developers while she ignores Police Department racial profiling and lets restrictions stand that keep boarded up houses owned by MCDA from becoming affordable housing. Real issues affecting real people. She has good opponents this year, should it be a surprise that her campaign is falling apart? Terrell _ Terrell Brown Loring Park 110 West Grant Street Minneapolis, MN 55403-2315 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.terrellbrown.org ___ Minneapolis Issues Forum - Minnesota E-Democracy Post messages to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest option, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
