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Re: message CSQX558E - too many channels?

2003-08-21 Thread Kearns, Emile E
CSQX558E csect-name Remote channel channel-name not available

Explanation: The channel channel-name at the remote queue manager is
currently stopped or is otherwise unavailable. For example, there might be
too many channels current to be able to start it.

Severity: 8

System Action: The channel does not start.

System Programmer Response: This might be a temporary situation, and the
channel will retry. If not, check the status of the channel at the remote
queue manager. If it is stopped, issue a START CHANNEL command to restart
it. If there are too many channels current, either wait for some of the
operating channels to terminate, or stop some channels manually, before
restarting the channel.

-Original Message-
From: EARmerc Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 21 August 2003 10:00
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: message CSQX558E - too many channels?


Thanx, Joep,

I looked and found values of 200, which should have been enough considering
our current level of activity. I am thinking that the message doc is
somewhat misleading. I am assuming that dynamic channels are included in
the specification and we are IP-only. I'll do some more research on the
problem.

again, Thanx.

Ernest Roberts
IT - Sr Sys Prog
MBUSA, LLC


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Robert,

There are several parameters limiting the number of active channels. They
are in CSQ6CHIP. See sample SCSQPROC(CSQ4X4PRM).
Have a look at ACTCHL, CURRCHL, LU62CHL and TCPCHL.

Cheers, Joep


-Original Message-
From: EARmerc Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: donderdag 21 augustus 2003 16:18
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: message CSQX558E - too many channels?


Hello MQ persons,

We are running MQ v 5.3 on OS/390 v2.10.

Our qmgr reported message CSQX558E for a channel and the M&C guide said
about this: "there might be too many channels current to be able to start
it."
The channel appeared to have no problem after a STOP and then a START were
issued. What I want to do is make sure I am not restricting our growing MQ
traffic with my current parameter settings.

Is there a parameter that actually limits the number of active channels? Is
there a DISPLAY command that can show that parameter value?

I found parameter "CTHREAD=300" in the assembly JCL for CSQ6SYSP. Also,
"IDBACK=20" was specified for non-TSO connections. The doc doesn't give a
clear indication of what the parameters affect, but does state that a
channel initiator can have more than one connection to a qmgr.

Am I on the right track with this issue? should I alter those parameters
upward?

Thanx in advance?


Ernest Roberts
IT - Sr Sys Prog
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Security and user IDs

2003-08-21 Thread Tony Boggis
I have a scenario on a single WMQ 5.2 (CSD06) server running on Win2K that
I've not come across before.

The server has a single QM, the default. The QM runs fine and I can connect,
send & receive messages.

The mqm group is defined, with a single user MUSR_ADMIN.

Logged on as Administrator (local), I do not seem to have authority to do
any MQ operations. Althought I can start/stop the QM and see the status of
the Command Server, etc from the Services MMC, the MQExplorer MMC is blank
(even if I ensure "display system objects" is selected).

So I added Administrator to the mqm group (it wasn't there before) and
restarted the service. Still not authorized, even though as Administrator on
a Windows system (according to the docs) I should be able to administer any
local queue manager. Do I need to run "setmqaut" giving "Administrator" all
necessary rights?

I'll run away and try to find the solution myself, but if anyone can point
me directly to the appropriate section (System Admin Guide:Websphere MQ
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Clusters and MQExplorer - Does it cheat?

2003-08-21 Thread Potkay, Peter M (PLC, IT)
QM1 and QM2 are full repositories for cluster HOMER.

QM3 is a partial repository in HOMER.


I add 10 queues to QM1 and QM2 and cluster them into HOMER.

Before any applications put any messages to them, MQExplorer shows them on
QM3. And QM3's partial Repository queue never got updated!

Is MQExplorer going behind the scenes, connecting to QM1 and QM2, and trying
to be smart about what it should show in QM3's view? MO71 and QPASA do not
show those queues until they are actually put to via QM3. I am assuming they
are getting their cluster info from the partial repository on QM3, right?

If so, I think this is very misleading on MQExplorer's part. I had a problem
(another scenario) where the partial repository was not getting updated. All
the message kept going to the DLQ, with a 2085, cause the QM correctly knew
nothing about those queues. Yet that ^@&^#& Explorer showed them there,
totally misleading us!

Seems to me it should be consistent. Explorer should work the way MQ does in
regards to clustering and what it shows. I dunno. I'm done venting. Time to
go home. Just hoping for some affirmation on my theory as to how I wasted my
afternoon today solving the customer's "problem"!   ;-)





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Re: mqver remotely? Maybe MO71?

2003-08-21 Thread McCarty, Brian
You say that you built a script that started by triggering and then reads the 
application queue that has messages that the body contains a command to run?  Just 
looking for clarification because I think we would like to do this also for more than 
just mqver.  Does the script actually call a program that does the get then put (of 
the command output)?, or did you write the MQ part into the script also?

Did you have any other problems or gotcha's that we should look for?

Thanks in advance for any other input.

B

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Subject: Re: mqver remotely? Maybe MO71?


We created a script that is triggered by an MQ message and assumes the
message body contains a unix command. When the script is triggered,  it
runs the unix command and returns the output in a reply message. From a
hub queue manager, we can send an mqver command to all our queue
managers and generate a report of all the version info on all our queue
managers.

Such a script is fairly simple to write and as you might imagine, is
quite useful in centrally issuing other unix commands.

John Matoba
Information Systems
Northwestern Mutual Life
414-665-4160 


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Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:02 AM
To: MQSERIES
Subject: Re: mqver remotely? Maybe MO71?


Paul, I am forwarding your reply to my IBM rep Tom Kruczek. Maybe he can
push this request over to Hursley officially.


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>Is there anyway to get the MQ version of a box without having to
actually
>log onto the box? MQExplorer? QPASA? MO71?

>It is a pain having to log onto individual boxes just to run the mqver
>command when you want to see what CSDs have been applied.

>Paul, would there be anyway for MO71 to do this in a future version?

MO71 pretty much only talks to the command server, this is so it doesn't
require an agent running on the target machine. Consequently if you want
MO71 to be able to tell you the CSD level it really means that we need a
command server version of the MQVER command. It doesn't seem an
unreasonable requirement to me to have one added but this isn't really
my
area.

Cheers,
P.

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WebSphere MQ Development
IBM Hursley

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Re: Initiation Queue

2003-08-21 Thread Potkay, Peter M (PLC, IT)
I don't know if Every triggering should be called an IBM design mistake.
There are valid scenarios for it. Imagine an application that takes 90
seconds to process a message, and there is someone waiting for the reply.
You want to trigger this app. What if messages are expected to arrive during
peak hours at a rate of 1 every 10 seconds. If you Trigger to Every, you can
have multiple instances all working together.

The design mistake is in the code people put out in programs that are
triggered on every that don't read the queue until 2033. Reading till 2033
solves all the problems related to only 1 trigger message upon restart. Yes,
in this rare case where you are restarting with > 0 messages in the queue,
you will have a back log as the one process works it's a** off trying to
clear the queue, but I assume the message have been sitting there a while
anyway. And, any new fresh messages arriving WILL kick off new processes.

Having said all that, is almost a given that your app can probably handle it
by being triggered on first and reading until 2033. 97% of scenarios call
for First I think. Every is probably overused out in MQ land, and probably
misused, but I say it has its place.

(And don't forget the Service Initiation Concept touted by Dennis as another
way to spawn off multiple instances without using Every. Probably a better
way to do it anyway...)


-Original Message-
From: Neil Casey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 6:23 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Initiation Queue


Hi Brent,

You should almost certainly have only one initq in this situation. The
difference between the actions for different queues can be controlled by
the content of the TRIGDATA, the PROCESS, and the content of the PROCESS.
One of the objectives of having triggering is to reduce the number of long
running processes which just sit around waiting for work. Rather than
having one process per application queue, you trigger all of the
application queues into a single trigger queue, and then have just one long
running process (the trigger monitor).

You would need separate initq's if the fundamental action for the two
queues was different (ie one triggered a batch job, and the other triggered
a CICS transaction). The basic philosphy at my site is to have one trigger
monitor (and therefore one initq) per environment. This means 1 for each
CICS, one for each IMS, one for batch on each MVS LPAR. You may find that
you need more in order to control concurrency and manage your throughput,
but you can't get away with less (except by not using triggering).

BTW, if you are new to triggering, you should start with an idea that
trigger(first) is most commonly the right solution. Trigger(depth) can have
some specific uses (but watch out because it disables triggering when it
fires, and your application is required to reset the trigger state) and
Trigger(every) is quite possibly a design mistake by IBM. Trigger(every)
has some dangerous properties, especially in a restart situation, where
only one trigger message is generated, not one per message on the queue, so
if you design your application with an expectation of trigger(every) and it
only processes a single message per call, you can get stuck with messages
on the queue not getting processed after a restart when persistent messages
are in the queue at the shutdown or failure.

Regards,

Neil Casey.


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Hi
I am new to MQ Series and have a question concerning initiation queues.

i have set up 2 local queues that are defined for queue manager X.

when a message arrives in q1 trigger a process to submit a JCL A.
when a message arrives in q2 trigger a process to submit a JCL B.

My question is do i have to define a initiation queue for each process or
can i define just one initiation queue for both processes? which is the
better method?

thanks in advance.

Brent Ireland
CAE Inc.

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Re: JMS Pub/Sub using Different Streams

2003-08-21 Thread Christopher Frank
Jay,

>>>My problem is how does the JMS, Pub/Sub classes tell the
>>>broker what stream it wants its subscription on.  I run the
>>>show broker command, and I see the new stream, but my JMS
>>>test program is registered for the topic in question on
>>>the default stream.  I don't see anything in the JMS
>>>classes that I can set to specifiy a different stream.

You would use the BROKERPUBQ property of the TCF definition to specify the
publication queue name.

Regards,

Christopher Frank
Sr. I/T Specialist - IBM Software Group
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JMS Pub/Sub using Different Streams

2003-08-21 Thread Jay H. Lang
I have a system currently using the Pub/Sub SupportPac broker.  we send
approx 12 million msg/day to the broker.  My subscribers are using JMS,
Pub/Sub to get the data for their topics.

I now have the need to create different "STREAMS" for the broker to use
to get better thoughput.  I have written a C program that has registered
another stream for the broker to use.  I also have a C program that
publishes on that stream to my topic.

My problem is how does the JMS, Pub/Sub classes tell the broker what
stream it wants its subscription on.  I run the show broker command, and
I see the new stream, but my JMS test program is registered for the
topic in question on the default stream.  I don't see anything in the
JMS classes that I can set to specifiy a different stream.

I am using A TopicConnectionFactory, TopicConnection, TopicSession and a
durable subscriber.

Thanks for any help.
--
Jay H. Lang
Chief Technologist
Distributed Computing Professionals Inc.
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Re: Evaluation List for Monitoring

2003-08-21 Thread Stephan C. Moen
Thought this would be of some help for those evaluating technology products.
Spreadsheet categories are weighted so you can change those values to fit
your needs.   Good solid template to start from. If you have questions,
don't hesitate to call.

Steve
630.721.8861

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Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 2:29 PM
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Subject: Re: Evaluation List for Monitoring




>I have one day to provide what is needed to monitor MQSeries so we can
>begin evaluating the various products out there. Has anyone done this
>before and could you provide some guidelines for evaluating this type of
software?
Jeff,

I hope you'll have more than one day to make a decision about which product
to use !
The attached is a document you might find useful.  There is additional
criteria besides monitoring i.e. admin, configuration management, security
et cetera.
The big question is whether you simply want the tool to monitor or if you
want escalation and what type of escalation ?  are you you looking for
automated resolution ?
Good Luck - you're going to need it !
===>(See attached file: Tool Eval worksheet.doc)
Cynthia Wallace

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Re: Syncpoint question

2003-08-21 Thread Darren Douch
David

I think your colleague is correct.

As soon as the app starts doing its destructive gets then they will no
longer be
available for browsing... so the browser will only see a shrinking subset..
or none..
of the messages during this period.  Once the puts start... the browser will
see no
messages until everything is committed... at that point the new set will be
available and the old set is physically gone.

I don't think his solution is the answer either... but I'm not convinced
there is an
answer.

If the updater puts the new set out of syncpoint, then both the old and new
sets
are available for some period of time.
As soon as he enters the destructive get loop, he again has the original
problem -
one by one the old messages are no longer available to the browsing app...
and the
new set may or may not be available depending upon the put syncpoint option.

Assuming I am right about an uncommitted get stopping a message from being
available to a browse, I think there will always be a window.

Regards
Darren.

- Original Message -
From: "David C. Partridge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 2:30 PM
Subject: Syncpoint question


> A colleague of mine has raised a question which suggests there may be a
> problem with a particular use of syncpoint processing.
>
> Consider a queue containing a number of messages (say 3) each with a
unique
> correlid.   This queue is browsed by applications to extract certain
> information.There is also an update application.
>
> The update application does a destructive get of the old messages and then
> puts new messages all under a unit of work.   When the last new message is
> put the whole UOW is committed.
>
> My colleague is pretty certain that in this case there will be a window in
> which a browsing application will not see a complete set of messages on
the
> queue (either old set or new set) and may in fact see no messages.   Is he
> correct?
>
> If he is correct, what is the best update strategy to ensure that a
browsing
> application will see either:
>
> The old set of messages
> or
> The new set of messages
>
> He has proposed the following as solution:
>
> Do a sequential browse of all the existing messages (that are not control
> messages) and record the message ids as a persistent control message on
the
> same queue using a correlid that won't occur in the messages of interest
(we
> can do this).
>
> Put the new messages to the queue (either in or out of syncpoint)
>
> Under syncpoint loop doing a destructive get of any control messages and
> messages with message ids as specified in the data of the control message.
>
> Commit.
>
> Regards,
> David C. Partridge
> Security and MQ Products Manager
> Primeur Group
> Tel: +44 (0)1926 511058
> Mobile: +44 (0)7713 880197
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Re: Syncpoint question

2003-08-21 Thread Potkay, Peter M (PLC, IT)
Yup, when the app does a destructive GET under syncpoint, the message is no
longer available, even though the UOW is still uncommitted. The queue depth
reflects the message leaving the queue.

How fast is the update app? If it only takes a few seconds to update and
commit, during which time the browse apps would see nothing, then just code
a wait interval into the browsers. As soon as the updates are posted they
will get their browse back.

When the update app is about to do its thing, it can get all the messages
real fast, before processing them. This is so the browsing app has less
chance of not being able to get to message #1 and #2 (already "in" the
update app), but being able to get message #3. If this is a problem, i.e.
you want the browsers to have an all new or all old scenario, then code the
update app to open the queue exclusively, so no one can even get to the
queue during the update period. Of course, the browsers would need retry
logic.




-Original Message-
From: David C. Partridge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 9:31 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Syncpoint question


A colleague of mine has raised a question which suggests there may be a
problem with a particular use of syncpoint processing.

Consider a queue containing a number of messages (say 3) each with a unique
correlid.   This queue is browsed by applications to extract certain
information.There is also an update application.

The update application does a destructive get of the old messages and then
puts new messages all under a unit of work.   When the last new message is
put the whole UOW is committed.

My colleague is pretty certain that in this case there will be a window in
which a browsing application will not see a complete set of messages on the
queue (either old set or new set) and may in fact see no messages.   Is he
correct?

If he is correct, what is the best update strategy to ensure that a browsing
application will see either:

The old set of messages
or
The new set of messages

He has proposed the following as solution:

Do a sequential browse of all the existing messages (that are not control
messages) and record the message ids as a persistent control message on the
same queue using a correlid that won't occur in the messages of interest (we
can do this).

Put the new messages to the queue (either in or out of syncpoint)

Under syncpoint loop doing a destructive get of any control messages and
messages with message ids as specified in the data of the control message.

Commit.

Regards,
David C. Partridge
Security and MQ Products Manager
Primeur Group
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Re: message CSQX558E - too many channels?

2003-08-21 Thread EARmerc Roberts
Thanx, Joep,

I looked and found values of 200, which should have been enough considering
our current level of activity. I am thinking that the message doc is
somewhat misleading. I am assuming that dynamic channels are included in
the specification and we are IP-only. I'll do some more research on the
problem.

again, Thanx.

Ernest Roberts
IT - Sr Sys Prog
MBUSA, LLC


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Robert,

There are several parameters limiting the number of active channels. They
are in CSQ6CHIP. See sample SCSQPROC(CSQ4X4PRM).
Have a look at ACTCHL, CURRCHL, LU62CHL and TCPCHL.

Cheers, Joep


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From: EARmerc Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: donderdag 21 augustus 2003 16:18
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: message CSQX558E - too many channels?


Hello MQ persons,

We are running MQ v 5.3 on OS/390 v2.10.

Our qmgr reported message CSQX558E for a channel and the M&C guide said
about this: "there might be too many channels current to be able to start
it."
The channel appeared to have no problem after a STOP and then a START were
issued. What I want to do is make sure I am not restricting our growing MQ
traffic with my current parameter settings.

Is there a parameter that actually limits the number of active channels? Is
there a DISPLAY command that can show that parameter value?

I found parameter "CTHREAD=300" in the assembly JCL for CSQ6SYSP. Also,
"IDBACK=20" was specified for non-TSO connections. The doc doesn't give a
clear indication of what the parameters affect, but does state that a
channel initiator can have more than one connection to a qmgr.

Am I on the right track with this issue? should I alter those parameters
upward?

Thanx in advance?


Ernest Roberts
IT - Sr Sys Prog
MBUSA, LLC

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Re: message CSQX558E - too many channels?

2003-08-21 Thread EARmerc Roberts
Thanx, Rebecca.

I am hunting it down.

Ernest Roberts
IT - Sr Sys Prog
MBUSA, LLC


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Hi, Ernest.

Yes, there is a parameter that limits the number of active channels. It's
in
the CSQ6CHIP macro that you coded to create your XPARM for the CHIN address
space.

Hope this helps -- Rebecca

Rebecca Bullock
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Hello MQ persons,

We are running MQ v 5.3 on OS/390 v2.10.

Our qmgr reported message CSQX558E for a channel and the M&C guide said
about this: "there might be too many channels current to be able to start
it."
The channel appeared to have no problem after a STOP and then a START were
issued. What I want to do is make sure I am not restricting our growing MQ
traffic with my current parameter settings.

Is there a parameter that actually limits the number of active channels? Is
there a DISPLAY command that can show that parameter value?

I found parameter "CTHREAD=300" in the assembly JCL for CSQ6SYSP. Also,
"IDBACK=20" was specified for non-TSO connections. The doc doesn't give a
clear indication of what the parameters affect, but does state that a
channel initiator can have more than one connection to a qmgr.

Am I on the right track with this issue? should I alter those parameters
upward?

Thanx in advance?


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Re: Syncpoint question

2003-08-21 Thread Robert X. Sloper
I wish IBM was that consistent... On Z/OS the shared queues require the use
of DB2.

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>I just can't resist asking - but isn't SYSTEM.CLUSTER.REPOSITORY.QUEUE
just
>a database of clustering info and SYSTEM.AUTH.DATA.QUEUE a database of
>authorisation profiles? Tut tut   :-)

>Regards
>John.

>PS. Please don't move this info into UDB - I like it the way it is...

John,

It was a slightly tongue-in-cheek comment. However, there are very good
reasons why we as MQ writers don't want to have any databases as prereqs
for the product (we sorta figured that you customers just wouldn't like it)
so we do tend to use our queues as repositories (not databases  :-) ).
However, in your application environments don't you have those database
thingies all over the place anyway ? The key is that you already have one
generally so you can use it. We on the other hand just wouldn't know which
database to choose.

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Re: Syncpoint question

2003-08-21 Thread Ronald Weinger

Does the information in those '
repositories'  have to be persistent? Once the Qmgr has been recycled
does MQ care what was there before?

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>I just can't resist asking - but isn't
SYSTEM.CLUSTER.REPOSITORY.QUEUE
just
>a database of clustering info and SYSTEM.AUTH.DATA.QUEUE a database of
>authorisation profiles? Tut tut   :-)

>Regards
>John.

>PS. Please don't move this info into UDB - I like it the way it is...

John,

It was a slightly tongue-in-cheek comment. However, there are very good
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for the product (we sorta figured that you customers just wouldn't like
it)
so we do tend to use our queues as repositories (not databases  :-)
).
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P.

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Re: Syncpoint question

2003-08-21 Thread Paul Clarke
>I just can't resist asking - but isn't SYSTEM.CLUSTER.REPOSITORY.QUEUE
just
>a database of clustering info and SYSTEM.AUTH.DATA.QUEUE a database of
>authorisation profiles? Tut tut   :-)

>Regards
>John.

>PS. Please don't move this info into UDB - I like it the way it is...

John,

It was a slightly tongue-in-cheek comment. However, there are very good
reasons why we as MQ writers don't want to have any databases as prereqs
for the product (we sorta figured that you customers just wouldn't like it)
so we do tend to use our queues as repositories (not databases  :-) ).
However, in your application environments don't you have those database
thingies all over the place anyway ? The key is that you already have one
generally so you can use it. We on the other hand just wouldn't know which
database to choose.

Cheers,
P.

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Re: Evaluation List for Monitoring

2003-08-21 Thread Hessong, Keith
Title: RE: Evaluation List for Monitoring





Greetings:


I wanted to apologize for sending this last response to the list.  I meant to send it to 
someone where I work and didn't change the "TO".


Keith


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Kyle,


Thought you might like to see this list of items I received off of the
MQ Forum I subscribe to.


Keith


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Channel status (running, indoubt, retrying, and stopped)


application queue depth (messages building on queue, current depth) and
application getting messages (ipprocs > 0)


Dead letter queue messages ( current depth message > 0)


queue manager (active or inactive)


.. just a few ..


HTH,


techie
> I have one day to provide what is needed to monitor MQSeries so we can
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Re: Evaluation List for Monitoring

2003-08-21 Thread Hessong, Keith
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Kyle,


Thought you might like to see this list of items I received off of the
MQ Forum I subscribe to.


Keith


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Channel status (running, indoubt, retrying, and stopped)


application queue depth (messages building on queue, current depth) and
application getting messages (ipprocs > 0)


Dead letter queue messages ( current depth message > 0)


queue manager (active or inactive)


.. just a few ..


HTH,


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Re: Evaluation List for Monitoring

2003-08-21 Thread Wmq Techie
Channel status (running, indoubt, retrying, and stopped)

application queue depth (messages building on queue, current depth) and
application getting messages (ipprocs > 0)

Dead letter queue messages ( current depth message > 0)

queue manager (active or inactive)

.. just a few ..

HTH,

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Evaluation List for Monitoring

2003-08-21 Thread Jeff A Tressler
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Re: mqver remotely? Maybe MO71?

2003-08-21 Thread Rick Tsujimoto





does it run rm *?




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We created a script that is triggered by an MQ message and assumes the
message body contains a unix command. When the script is triggered,  it
runs the unix command and returns the output in a reply message. From a
hub queue manager, we can send an mqver command to all our queue
managers and generate a report of all the version info on all our queue
managers.

Such a script is fairly simple to write and as you might imagine, is
quite useful in centrally issuing other unix commands.

John Matoba
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Paul, I am forwarding your reply to my IBM rep Tom Kruczek. Maybe he can
push this request over to Hursley officially.


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>Is there anyway to get the MQ version of a box without having to
actually
>log onto the box? MQExplorer? QPASA? MO71?

>It is a pain having to log onto individual boxes just to run the mqver
>command when you want to see what CSDs have been applied.

>Paul, would there be anyway for MO71 to do this in a future version?

MO71 pretty much only talks to the command server, this is so it doesn't
require an agent running on the target machine. Consequently if you want
MO71 to be able to tell you the CSD level it really means that we need a
command server version of the MQVER command. It doesn't seem an
unreasonable requirement to me to have one added but this isn't really
my
area.

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Re: mqver remotely? Maybe MO71?

2003-08-21 Thread Roger Lacroix
Another server?

Why can't the people at Hursley add a new attribute for the queue manager
properties.  We have "Command Level", why not add a new attribute called "CSD
Level".

later
Roger...

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>
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>
> >Paul, would there be anyway for MO71 to do this in a future version?
>
> MO71 pretty much only talks to the command server, this is so it doesn't
> require an agent running on the target machine. Consequently if you want
> MO71 to be able to tell you the CSD level it really means that we need a
> command server version of the MQVER command. It doesn't seem an
> unreasonable requirement to me to have one added but this isn't really my
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Re: Syncpoint question

2003-08-21 Thread Michael . Dag
Title: RE: Syncpoint question





hhmm when I describe Queues as a 'safe' place for your data, often people respond: "ah, so it's a database!" :-)


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I just can't resist asking - but isn't SYSTEM.CLUSTER.REPOSITORY.QUEUE just
a database of clustering info and SYSTEM.AUTH.DATA.QUEUE a database of
authorisation profiles? Tut tut   :-)


Regards
John.


PS. Please don't move this info into UDB - I like it the way it is...


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Dave,


Don't tell me you're using a queue as a database ? tsk tsk :-)


Paul G Clarke
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A colleague of mine has raised a question which suggests there may be a
problem with a particular use of syncpoint processing.


Consider a queue containing a number of messages (say 3) each with a unique
correlid.   This queue is browsed by applications to extract certain
information.    There is also an update application.


The update application does a destructive get of the old messages and then
puts new messages all under a unit of work.   When the last new message is
put the whole UOW is committed.


My colleague is pretty certain that in this case there will be a window in
which a browsing application will not see a complete set of messages on the
queue (either old set or new set) and may in fact see no messages.   Is he
correct?


If he is correct, what is the best update strategy to ensure that a browsing
application will see either:


The old set of messages
or
The new set of messages


He has proposed the following as solution:


Do a sequential browse of all the existing messages (that are not control
messages) and record the message ids as a persistent control message on the
same queue using a correlid that won't occur in the messages of interest (we
can do this).


Put the new messages to the queue (either in or out of syncpoint)


Under syncpoint loop doing a destructive get of any control messages and
messages with message ids as specified in the data of the control message.


Commit.


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Re: as/400 xcom

2003-08-21 Thread Dave Adam

would be nice to just lay the file down, right now there is no recovery when they lose a connection

we do trigger on the orders when they come in, so that is an option

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I did a presentation yesterday to about 50 people in the company

had IBM explain MQ in the first 30 minutes, and then explained whet we did
to stabilize the order system that is our only MQ application

now the woodwork is closing in

the best candidate for a second successful conversion looks like the as/400
to mainframe file transfers

is there a support pac out there that could be used as an example to
accomplish the simple movement of data from point a to point b (no response
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Re: Syncpoint question

2003-08-21 Thread John Scott
I just can't resist asking - but isn't SYSTEM.CLUSTER.REPOSITORY.QUEUE just
a database of clustering info and SYSTEM.AUTH.DATA.QUEUE a database of
authorisation profiles? Tut tut   :-)

Regards
John.

PS. Please don't move this info into UDB - I like it the way it is...

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Dave,

Don't tell me you're using a queue as a database ? tsk tsk :-)

Paul G Clarke
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Consider a queue containing a number of messages (say 3) each with a unique
correlid.   This queue is browsed by applications to extract certain
information.There is also an update application.

The update application does a destructive get of the old messages and then
puts new messages all under a unit of work.   When the last new message is
put the whole UOW is committed.

My colleague is pretty certain that in this case there will be a window in
which a browsing application will not see a complete set of messages on the
queue (either old set or new set) and may in fact see no messages.   Is he
correct?

If he is correct, what is the best update strategy to ensure that a browsing
application will see either:

The old set of messages
or
The new set of messages

He has proposed the following as solution:

Do a sequential browse of all the existing messages (that are not control
messages) and record the message ids as a persistent control message on the
same queue using a correlid that won't occur in the messages of interest (we
can do this).

Put the new messages to the queue (either in or out of syncpoint)

Under syncpoint loop doing a destructive get of any control messages and
messages with message ids as specified in the data of the control message.

Commit.

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Re: UNSUBSCRIBE

2003-08-21 Thread Thomas Lane
Thanks Rebecca,

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Re: Syncpoint question

2003-08-21 Thread Robert Broderick
Browse with a LOCK option

bb


From: "David C. Partridge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Syncpoint question
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:30:37 +0100
A colleague of mine has raised a question which suggests there may be a
problem with a particular use of syncpoint processing.
Consider a queue containing a number of messages (say 3) each with a unique
correlid.   This queue is browsed by applications to extract certain
information.There is also an update application.
The update application does a destructive get of the old messages and then
puts new messages all under a unit of work.   When the last new message is
put the whole UOW is committed.
My colleague is pretty certain that in this case there will be a window in
which a browsing application will not see a complete set of messages on the
queue (either old set or new set) and may in fact see no messages.   Is he
correct?
If he is correct, what is the best update strategy to ensure that a
browsing
application will see either:
The old set of messages
or
The new set of messages
He has proposed the following as solution:

Do a sequential browse of all the existing messages (that are not control
messages) and record the message ids as a persistent control message on the
same queue using a correlid that won't occur in the messages of interest
(we
can do this).
Put the new messages to the queue (either in or out of syncpoint)

Under syncpoint loop doing a destructive get of any control messages and
messages with message ids as specified in the data of the control message.
Commit.

Regards,
David C. Partridge
Security and MQ Products Manager
Primeur Group
Tel: +44 (0)1926 511058
Mobile: +44 (0)7713 880197
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Re: MSGID Char conversion

2003-08-21 Thread Robert Broderick
I was here till the w hours of the morning working on this (I am not a C
code warrior). I have it almost done except for the loop when it gets to the
48th byte. It is overwriting memory and distroying my PMO. I issue an MQPUT
after the convert and get a 2173 on the first PUT. IF I comment out the 8
line conversion routine it works perfect. If I change the loop to convert
46bytes it works..but I loose that last qualifing byte (unfortunatly this
one is the tie breaker).
BUTwith all that work...the file is coming out of a REXX script. the
guy, who wasn't here last night, did a 5 min chnge and is handing me the
field in it's origional 24 byte format/structure.
NOWthe script was taking the HEX/DEC 24 byte MSGID/CORREL ID and
inserting it in the front of the file in STRING format. In REXX and C++ the
back and forth is easy. C on the other hand. So I reacquainted myself with C
last night. (VERY LATE I might add!!!) But hey...one of my favorite sayings
is "If you are busting your chops, you are doing it the wrong way!!" I
should listen to myself
bobbee


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Hello Bobbie,

What is 48 byte character format of MsgId? I thought it is always MQBYTE24.
For that I would use
memcpy(msgDesc.MsgId, newMsgId, MQ_MSG_ID_LENGTH);

Pavel



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back in the MQMD_MSGID field. Can anybody supply the code
statement???
stuck

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Re: Syncpoint question

2003-08-21 Thread David C. Partridge
You mean like the OAM and the Cluster repository data :-)

Yes, I plead guilty ... Any thoughts on the specific questions?

Cheers
Dave
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Dave,

Don't tell me you're using a queue as a database ? tsk tsk :-)

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A colleague of mine has raised a question which suggests there may be a
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Consider a queue containing a number of messages (say 3) each with a unique
correlid.   This queue is browsed by applications to extract certain
information.There is also an update application.

The update application does a destructive get of the old messages and then
puts new messages all under a unit of work.   When the last new message is
put the whole UOW is committed.

My colleague is pretty certain that in this case there will be a window in
which a browsing application will not see a complete set of messages on the
queue (either old set or new set) and may in fact see no messages.   Is he
correct?

If he is correct, what is the best update strategy to ensure that a
browsing
application will see either:

The old set of messages
or
The new set of messages

He has proposed the following as solution:

Do a sequential browse of all the existing messages (that are not control
messages) and record the message ids as a persistent control message on the
same queue using a correlid that won't occur in the messages of interest
(we
can do this).

Put the new messages to the queue (either in or out of syncpoint)

Under syncpoint loop doing a destructive get of any control messages and
messages with message ids as specified in the data of the control message.

Commit.

Regards,
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Re: UNSUBSCRIBE

2003-08-21 Thread Robert Broderick
You have to send an EMAIL to the LISTSERV Admin.




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Re: message CSQX558E - too many channels?

2003-08-21 Thread Noor, J.J.W. - SPLXM
Robert,

There are several parameters limiting the number of active channels. They
are in CSQ6CHIP. See sample SCSQPROC(CSQ4X4PRM).
Have a look at ACTCHL, CURRCHL, LU62CHL and TCPCHL.

Cheers, Joep


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Hello MQ persons,

We are running MQ v 5.3 on OS/390 v2.10.

Our qmgr reported message CSQX558E for a channel and the M&C guide said
about this: "there might be too many channels current to be able to start
it."
The channel appeared to have no problem after a STOP and then a START were
issued. What I want to do is make sure I am not restricting our growing MQ
traffic with my current parameter settings.

Is there a parameter that actually limits the number of active channels? Is
there a DISPLAY command that can show that parameter value?

I found parameter "CTHREAD=300" in the assembly JCL for CSQ6SYSP. Also,
"IDBACK=20" was specified for non-TSO connections. The doc doesn't give a
clear indication of what the parameters affect, but does state that a
channel initiator can have more than one connection to a qmgr.

Am I on the right track with this issue? should I alter those parameters
upward?

Thanx in advance?


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IT - Sr Sys Prog
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Re: UNSUBSCRIBE

2003-08-21 Thread Bullock, Rebecca (CSC)
Hey! New Brunswick! Hello, fellow New Jerseyite.

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HTH, Rebecca


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Re: message CSQX558E - too many channels?

2003-08-21 Thread Bullock, Rebecca (CSC)
Hi, Ernest.

Yes, there is a parameter that limits the number of active channels. It's in
the CSQ6CHIP macro that you coded to create your XPARM for the CHIN address
space.

Hope this helps -- Rebecca

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Hello MQ persons,

We are running MQ v 5.3 on OS/390 v2.10.

Our qmgr reported message CSQX558E for a channel and the M&C guide said
about this: "there might be too many channels current to be able to start
it."
The channel appeared to have no problem after a STOP and then a START were
issued. What I want to do is make sure I am not restricting our growing MQ
traffic with my current parameter settings.

Is there a parameter that actually limits the number of active channels? Is
there a DISPLAY command that can show that parameter value?

I found parameter "CTHREAD=300" in the assembly JCL for CSQ6SYSP. Also,
"IDBACK=20" was specified for non-TSO connections. The doc doesn't give a
clear indication of what the parameters affect, but does state that a
channel initiator can have more than one connection to a qmgr.

Am I on the right track with this issue? should I alter those parameters
upward?

Thanx in advance?


Ernest Roberts
IT - Sr Sys Prog
MBUSA, LLC

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Re: mqver remotely? Maybe MO71?

2003-08-21 Thread Potkay, Peter M (PLC, IT)
Paul, I am forwarding your reply to my IBM rep Tom Kruczek. Maybe he can
push this request over to Hursley officially.


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>Is there anyway to get the MQ version of a box without having to actually
>log onto the box? MQExplorer? QPASA? MO71?

>It is a pain having to log onto individual boxes just to run the mqver
>command when you want to see what CSDs have been applied.

>Paul, would there be anyway for MO71 to do this in a future version?

MO71 pretty much only talks to the command server, this is so it doesn't
require an agent running on the target machine. Consequently if you want
MO71 to be able to tell you the CSD level it really means that we need a
command server version of the MQVER command. It doesn't seem an
unreasonable requirement to me to have one added but this isn't really my
area.

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P.

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Re: Syncpoint question

2003-08-21 Thread Paul Clarke
Dave,

Don't tell me you're using a queue as a database ? tsk tsk :-)

Paul G Clarke
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A colleague of mine has raised a question which suggests there may be a
problem with a particular use of syncpoint processing.

Consider a queue containing a number of messages (say 3) each with a unique
correlid.   This queue is browsed by applications to extract certain
information.There is also an update application.

The update application does a destructive get of the old messages and then
puts new messages all under a unit of work.   When the last new message is
put the whole UOW is committed.

My colleague is pretty certain that in this case there will be a window in
which a browsing application will not see a complete set of messages on the
queue (either old set or new set) and may in fact see no messages.   Is he
correct?

If he is correct, what is the best update strategy to ensure that a
browsing
application will see either:

The old set of messages
or
The new set of messages

He has proposed the following as solution:

Do a sequential browse of all the existing messages (that are not control
messages) and record the message ids as a persistent control message on the
same queue using a correlid that won't occur in the messages of interest
(we
can do this).

Put the new messages to the queue (either in or out of syncpoint)

Under syncpoint loop doing a destructive get of any control messages and
messages with message ids as specified in the data of the control message.

Commit.

Regards,
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Security and MQ Products Manager
Primeur Group
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AS/400 and Java

2003-08-21 Thread Mittal, Gaurav




We looking for using Java on AS/400.Does anyone 
has any performance factors of Java on 
AS/400
Also please let me know if anyone faced 
any problems with this 
approach?
We are also looking 
for what would be the 
best approach for calling java from 
RPG.
Any help would be 
appreciated.
 
Thanks
Gaurav
 


message CSQX558E - too many channels?

2003-08-21 Thread EARmerc Roberts
Hello MQ persons,

We are running MQ v 5.3 on OS/390 v2.10.

Our qmgr reported message CSQX558E for a channel and the M&C guide said
about this: "there might be too many channels current to be able to start
it."
The channel appeared to have no problem after a STOP and then a START were
issued. What I want to do is make sure I am not restricting our growing MQ
traffic with my current parameter settings.

Is there a parameter that actually limits the number of active channels? Is
there a DISPLAY command that can show that parameter value?

I found parameter "CTHREAD=300" in the assembly JCL for CSQ6SYSP. Also,
"IDBACK=20" was specified for non-TSO connections. The doc doesn't give a
clear indication of what the parameters affect, but does state that a
channel initiator can have more than one connection to a qmgr.

Am I on the right track with this issue? should I alter those parameters
upward?

Thanx in advance?


Ernest Roberts
IT - Sr Sys Prog
MBUSA, LLC

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Re: mqver remotely? Maybe MO71?

2003-08-21 Thread Paul Clarke
>Is there anyway to get the MQ version of a box without having to actually
>log onto the box? MQExplorer? QPASA? MO71?

>It is a pain having to log onto individual boxes just to run the mqver
>command when you want to see what CSDs have been applied.

>Paul, would there be anyway for MO71 to do this in a future version?

MO71 pretty much only talks to the command server, this is so it doesn't
require an agent running on the target machine. Consequently if you want
MO71 to be able to tell you the CSD level it really means that we need a
command server version of the MQVER command. It doesn't seem an
unreasonable requirement to me to have one added but this isn't really my
area.

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Syncpoint question

2003-08-21 Thread David C. Partridge
A colleague of mine has raised a question which suggests there may be a
problem with a particular use of syncpoint processing.

Consider a queue containing a number of messages (say 3) each with a unique
correlid.   This queue is browsed by applications to extract certain
information.There is also an update application.

The update application does a destructive get of the old messages and then
puts new messages all under a unit of work.   When the last new message is
put the whole UOW is committed.

My colleague is pretty certain that in this case there will be a window in
which a browsing application will not see a complete set of messages on the
queue (either old set or new set) and may in fact see no messages.   Is he
correct?

If he is correct, what is the best update strategy to ensure that a browsing
application will see either:

The old set of messages
or
The new set of messages

He has proposed the following as solution:

Do a sequential browse of all the existing messages (that are not control
messages) and record the message ids as a persistent control message on the
same queue using a correlid that won't occur in the messages of interest (we
can do this).

Put the new messages to the queue (either in or out of syncpoint)

Under syncpoint loop doing a destructive get of any control messages and
messages with message ids as specified in the data of the control message.

Commit.

Regards,
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Security and MQ Products Manager
Primeur Group
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Re: as/400 xcom

2003-08-21 Thread Rick Tsujimoto
Do you plan to trigger some app, or just lay the file down?




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had IBM explain MQ in the first 30 minutes, and then explained whet we did
to stabilize the order system that is our only MQ application

now the woodwork is closing in

the best candidate for a second successful conversion looks like the as/400
to mainframe file transfers

is there a support pac out there that could be used as an example to
accomplish the simple movement of data from point a to point b (no response
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Re: as/400 xcom

2003-08-21 Thread David C. Partridge



For a tool of little brain you could look at our free XSP 
solution:
 
http://www.primeur.com/products/xsp/xsp.html
 
If you need more intelligence in the tool you're looking for, we do other 
(more sophisticated) products which of course aren't free that add all sorts of 
capabilities such as acknowledgements, mailboxing, etc. etc.
 
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Re: MSGID Char conversion

2003-08-21 Thread Pavel Tolkachev
Hello Bobbie,

What is 48 byte character format of MsgId? I thought it is always MQBYTE24. For that I 
would use

memcpy(msgDesc.MsgId, newMsgId, MQ_MSG_ID_LENGTH);

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Re: mqver remotely? Maybe MO71?

2003-08-21 Thread Pavel Tolkachev
On Unix or Windows, I would just use ssh :-)

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However, it doesn't tell you which service pack you have installed.

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It is a pain having to log onto individual boxes just to run the mqver
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Re: mqver remotely? Maybe MO71?

2003-08-21 Thread John Scott
You can see the command level from the Queue Manager properties in MO71.
This will be something like 520, 521, 530 etc. for the version numbers.

However, it doesn't tell you which service pack you have installed.

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as/400 xcom

2003-08-21 Thread Dave Adam

I did a presentation yesterday to about 50 people in the company

had IBM explain MQ in the first 30 minutes, and then explained whet we did to stabilize the order system that is our only MQ application

now the woodwork is closing in

the best candidate for a second successful conversion looks like the as/400 to mainframe file transfers

is there a support pac out there that could be used as an example to accomplish the simple movement of data from point a to point b (no response required with this message transfer)

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mqver remotely? Maybe MO71?

2003-08-21 Thread Potkay, Peter M (PLC, IT)
Is there anyway to get the MQ version of a box without having to actually
log onto the box? MQExplorer? QPASA? MO71?

It is a pain having to log onto individual boxes just to run the mqver
command when you want to see what CSDs have been applied.

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Re: Certified candidates but < 2 years exp - comments

2003-08-21 Thread Robert Broderick
And the noose gets bigger!


From: JoE JK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: MQSeries List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Certified candidates but < 2 years exp - comments
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:22:31 -0700
dont worry, i'm not from US.
:)
--- Robert Broderick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> AH. More US tax dollars and a job down the
> drain. I'm sure there was no
> one qualified in the US to fit the position!!! (Soon
> that actually may be a
> true statement).
>
> Some "KID" found out what I did for a living and
> asked me the other day at a
> Staten Island Yankees ball game if he should go to
> college to take up
> computers. He said he really liked them. I told him
> it's becoming a dead
> field and should steer clear of it if he wanted to
> financially get anywhere
> in the future.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: JoE JK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: MQSeries List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: Certified candidates but < 2 years exp
> - comments
> >Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:03:32 -0700
> >
> >Hi,
> >Actually we already have ppl from a well known
> vendor
> >+ experienced to help with the project. Another
> >candidate is required to help our team with other
> >concurrent project. We got a lot of response from
> >those offshore software co with resumes as I
> mentioned
> >earlier. It just happened some of the candidates
> had
> >the certification with less exp and some w/o cert
> but
> > > 2 years exp.
> >After talked to them, those with exps are more
> >convincing and knows what we're talking about(our
> >requirements). I probably would go for this guy.
> >
> >Many thanks for valuable input.
> >
> >Joe,
> >
> >
> >--- Roger Lacroix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Joe's original question was about interviewing
> > > people with less than 2 years of
> > > experience but who have the WMQ Specialist
> > > certificate.
> > > Quote: "With those certification, are they
> really
> > > can perform?"
> > >
> > > I read his question as, "he is looking for
> someone
> > > capable", i.e. intermediate
> > > level not junior or trainee.
> > >
> > > Hence when talking technical details with a
> > > intermediate (or senior) level
> > > person, an hour will fly right by.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Roger Lacroix
> > > Capitalware Inc.
> > >
> > >
> > > Quoting Benjamin Zhou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >
> > > > Well,..., Roger, don't be too harsh to the
> junior
> > > MQers. Everyone deserve a
> > > > chance to do his /her best to excel. We were
> all
> > > junior MQers not many years
> > > > ago.
> > > >
> > > > >>I prefer to have the candidate go through an
> > > in-depth technical interview
> > > > of at
> > > > >>least 1 hour on the on the subject matter.
> > > >
> > > > Are you serious? this should be for someone
> with
> > > your lengths of experience.
> > > > The most important is that the candidate have
> true
> > > understanding of the
> > > > fundamental ideas and structure of the
> middleware,
> > > and possesses the
> > > > enthusiasm to learn, to try, and enjoy it. The
> > > technical details we now know
> > > > can quickly become obsolate. Remember, the
> > > knowledge we possess today can
> > > > turn into obstacle for progress tomorrow if we
> > > love it too much.
> > > >
> > > > cheers,
> > > > Benjamin Zhou
> > > > State Street Corp.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Roger Lacroix
> > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:18 AM
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: Re: Certified candidates but < 2
> years
> > > exp - comments
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > Certification is a great thing but should be
> taken
> > > with a grain of salt.  (I
> > > > have ever noticed the number of people who
> have
> > > requested the certification
> > > > questions on the ListServer or
> www.mqseries.net ?)
> > > >
> > > > I personally assign a value of 2-3 months of
> > > equivalent work experience for
> > > > a
> > > > certificate (MQSeries, Java, or whatever).
> i.e.
> > > If someone says they have
> > > > been
> > > > doing MQAdmin work for 6 months and they have
> the
> > > WMQ Specialist certificate
> > > > then I go with a total 9 months work
> experience.
> > > This may be harsh but I
> > > > have
> > > > met people with the WMQ Specialists
> certificate
> > > but cannot resolve a channel
> > > > sequence number error.
> > > >
> > > > I prefer to have the candidate go through an
> > > in-depth technical interview of
> > > > at
> > > > least 1 hour on the on the subject matter.  Or
> > > have the candidate do a
> > > > technical exam from ReviewNet or someone else
> but
> > > it has to be controlled so
> > > > that their buddy doesn t write the exam for
> them.
> > > 
> > > >
> > > > Note: I do have all 3 WMQ certifications, so I
> am
> > > not disputing their value
> > > > but
> > > > you should remember it is only a piece of
> paper.
> > > It represents a 

Migrating from WMQI 2.1 to WBI Message Broker 5.0

2003-08-21 Thread Kulbir S. Thind

Hi,

We're looking to upgrade our message broker from WMQI 2.1 CSD4 to WBI Message Broker 5.0.  Has anyone actually done this?  Any gotchas that we need to be aware of?

Thanks in advance,

Kulbir.


Managing a large MQSeries and WMQI infrastructure

2003-08-21 Thread Kulbir S. Thind

Hi,

We're looking into ways of managing our large Middleware infrastructure which will eventually consist of over 300 applications with MQSeries installed and configured to communicate with up to 10 WMQI message brokers.  For the ongoing deployment and support we see that we really need a configuration tool that we can use to generate and hold our MQSeries and DB2 configurations for the entire infrastructure.

Previously we had a bespoke configuration database tool that we used to generate our MQSeries and legacy broker (CAI TDM) configuration files and that worked a treat.  We're looking for something similar except that our new environment will be a lot more complex as we're merging three messaging infrastructures into one, therefore we have numerous naming conventions that we still want to apply but using a single tool.  Our merging activities have an objective which states that we cannot rename any MQSeries objects on the end-points.

Are there any tools out there that might be able to assist us with this?  Has anyone else been in a similar situation and what have you done about it?  Any assistance would be much appreciated.

Thanks,

Kulbir.

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Re: Cannot Uninstall MQ 5.2.1 from Windows2000

2003-08-21 Thread "Rodríguez Alvarez-Querol, Manuel Carlos"
Hi Peter,

In the windows registry there is an entry which point to the place where
mqseries.msi is located, or should be located. This entry is
HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Installer\Products. In this folder you will find different
entries which correspond to products installed with Microsoft Installer. One
of these entries correspond to MQSeries, the productName in the folder
should be MQSeries. If you expand that tree you will find a new folder
called SourceList. In this folder there is an entry called LastUsedSource.
Try to modify it to your directory where the mqseries.msi is.

I hope this help you.



> -Mensaje original-
> De:   Potkay, Peter M (PLC, IT) [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Enviado el:   Wednesday, August 20, 2003 23:24
> Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Asunto:   Cannot Uninstall MQ 5.2.1 from Windows2000
>
> I am trying to upgrade to 5.3 on a Windows 2000 server, and cannot because
> I
> cannot get rid of the old version.
>
> If I go to Control Panel...Add/Remove Programs and select MQSeries, the
> uninstall procedure begins, but then an error box gets thrown up saying it
> cannot find the MQSeries.msi file.
>
> So I instead went straight to the 5.3 Install procedure, which threw me
> into
> Upgrade mode. I clicked install, and it started to work, but again, the
> error came up saying it could not find MQSeries.msi, and the installation
> ended on me.
>
> I cannot find MQSeries.msi anywhere on this server.
>
> I tried to uninstall MA88 from Add/ Remove programs, and got the error
> saying it could not find the " IBM MQSeries classes for Java and Java
> Message Service.msi" file. And then the uninstall ended on me. I cannot
> find
> this .msi file anywhere either.
>
> I copied over the entire MA88 Install directory to a temp folder on this
> machine, found the IBM MQSeries classes for Java and Java Message
> Service.msi file, and then tried the MA88 uninstall again. This time when
> the error came up saying it could not find the file, I manually pointed it
> to the temp folder, and it worked. MA88 is uninstalled on this server.
>
>
> So I tried the same trick for base MQ. I copied over the entire Install CD
> for 5.2.1, and located the MQSeries.msi file. I tried uninstalling from
> Add/
> Remove programs again, and then manually pointed the uninstall procedure
> to
> the temp folder. No luck. The uninstall ends with a Fatal Error. I tried
> upgrading to 5.3. Fatal error encountered during the upgrade, presumably
> where 5.2.1 is trying to be uninstalled.
>
> I cannot get rid of 5.2.1 on this server! I tried removing CSD05, and that
> worked, but still the same problem with base 5.2.1. Thankfully, I can get
> MQ
> 5.2.1 running again, so the customer is OK, but I can't upgrade this guy.
>
>
>
> We suspect this is related to an automated failed SP3 install for WIN2000
> earlier in the week. It screwed up the ability to open MQExplorer or
> MQServices from the start menu. We thought that is all it did. Looks like
> it
> botched up some other stuff. Below is a quote from the Sys Admin for the
> server explaining THAT problem. Maybe it is related???
>
> Quote>
>  I'd like to update you to the issues that have risen on the concentrators
> since we began rolling out the MS security patch and W2K service pack 3.
> As
> you are aware we rolled both SP3 and MS03-026 to the CMS DEV and CTST
> concentrators on 8/5 and 8/7 respectively without any issues, the same was
> true for MQIDEV01 and MQIDEV02.  We use a tool called Update Expert to do
> the scheduling of this type of maintenance, it was used for the initial
> machines as well as machines patched since Monday night.
>
>  Now to the issues. Since Monday night the W2K service pack installs have
> failed through Update Expert while the patch on the other hand hasn't,
> this
> has lead to some shortcuts which are fired off upon logon to become
> corrupted. An indication of this problem would be a pop up message
> indicating that the path to install the product can't be found. The
> product(s) are in fact running, MQ Series and NAV are not affected .
>
> >End Quote
>
>
> Peter Potkay
> MQSeries Specialist
> The Hartford Financial Services
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> x77906
> IBM MQSeries Certified
>
>
>
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