Re: Triggering when CKTI comes up
The solution actually isn't very interesting. I looked at the use count of the program after the CICS region comes up (and messages are sitting on the queue), and it is non-zero, indicating that the transaction is getting triggered but not opening the queue and processing the messages (I don't have a tool to see when the transaction ran and was relying on the programmer's report). Also, the TRIGINT was 99, not 60 seconds - I'd looked at the wrong queue manager. Fortunately I figured this all out before gathering a trace and sending it to IBM. -Original Message- From: MCSHEFFREY, MICHELLE (AIT) Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 10:05 AM To: 'MQSeries List' Subject:RE: Triggering when CKTI comes up Thanks for everyone's replies. In our case, we are not getting a trigger when CICS and CKTI come up, nor are we getting a trigger after the TRIGINT of 60 seconds have passed when new messages arrive on the trigger queue. If I flip the trigger to N then back to Y, it does generate a trigger, though, so it seems triggering is working in general. I will continue to work with IBM on this and post the solution if turns out to be something interesting. _ Michelle McSheffrey - MQSeries/Tuxedo Support Phone: (312) 669-2059 Pager: (312) 760-2059 _ For emergency support, use WebNotify at http://ebiz.sbc.com/webnotify/ to page the on-call support person. For MQSeries, send the page to the MQSERIES group. For Tuxedo, send the page to the TUXEDO group. Team WEB site: http://mvsha00.sbc.com/appl/cics/index.htm -Original Message- From: Raabe, Stefan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 3:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:AW: Triggering when CKTI comes up No :-) After CKTI startup there is an immediate trigger as explained by others some messages before trigger interval works different. its not a time interval after that queues are scanned if they should be triggered again, its a time interval that has to be expirered after the last trigger message was generated and a new message that is put to the queue. read system application programmers guide for details. regards stefan -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Chan, Ian M [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. November 2002 01:45 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: Triggering when CKTI comes up I think it also depends on the trigger interval. Once the CKTI is up and running, the trigger message will be generated within the trigger interval period. Ian -Original Message- From: Potkay, Peter M (PLC, IT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 26 November 2002 8:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Triggering when CKTI comes up One of the times that the QM checks to see if a trigger message should be generated is when the INIT queue IPROCS count goes from 0 to 1. I would think that when CKT1 is brought up, it opens the INIT queue, and if no other app had the init queue open, the IPROCS would then go from 0 to 1. The queue manager would check to see if any queues meet trigger criteria, and would see that your triggered on first queue had more than zero messages on it, and would thus trigger. I tested this behaviour on distributed and it does exactly that. Don't know if CICS would be different. The triggering manual doesn't say so. http://publibfp.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/html/csqzal06/csqzal06tfrm.htm Chapter 14, Section 13.D Peter Potkay IBM MQSeries Certified Specialist, Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] X 77906 -Original Message- From: MCSHEFFREY, MICHELLE (AIT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Triggering when CKTI comes up If there are messages on a queue that is set to trigger a CICS transaction on FIRST, and the CICS region is down, will a trigger message be generated when the CICS region and CKTI trigger monitor first come up? I thought yes, but IBM support just told me no. I don't want to spend a lot of time looking at the wrong problem (we're getting a trigger when CICS comes up in production but not in test), so please someone tell me which is correct. Thanks. Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return email and delete this communication and destroy all copies. Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http
Re: Triggering when CKTI comes up
Usually those symptoms indicate a mismatched or mispelled definition between what is in the application and the MQ objects. MCSHEFFREY, MICHELLE (AIT) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Sent by: Subject: Re: Triggering when CKTI comes up MQSeries List MQSERIES@AKH-Wie n.AC.AT 12/02/2002 02:53 PM Please respond to MQSeries List The solution actually isn't very interesting. I looked at the use count of the program after the CICS region comes up (and messages are sitting on the queue), and it is non-zero, indicating that the transaction is getting triggered but not opening the queue and processing the messages (I don't have a tool to see when the transaction ran and was relying on the programmer's report). Also, the TRIGINT was 99, not 60 seconds - I'd looked at the wrong queue manager. Fortunately I figured this all out before gathering a trace and sending it to IBM. -Original Message- From: MCSHEFFREY, MICHELLE (AIT) Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 10:05 AM To: 'MQSeries List' Subject:RE: Triggering when CKTI comes up Thanks for everyone's replies. In our case, we are not getting a trigger when CICS and CKTI come up, nor are we getting a trigger after the TRIGINT of 60 seconds have passed when new messages arrive on the trigger queue. If I flip the trigger to N then back to Y, it does generate a trigger, though, so it seems triggering is working in general. I will continue to work with IBM on this and post the solution if turns out to be something interesting. _ Michelle McSheffrey - MQSeries/Tuxedo Support Phone: (312) 669-2059 Pager: (312) 760-2059 _ For emergency support, use WebNotify at http://ebiz.sbc.com/webnotify/ to page the on-call support person. For MQSeries, send the page to the MQSERIES group. For Tuxedo, send the page to the TUXEDO group. Team WEB site: http://mvsha00.sbc.com/appl/cics/index.htm -Original Message- From: Raabe, Stefan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 3:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:AW: Triggering when CKTI comes up No :-) After CKTI startup there is an immediate trigger as explained by others some messages before trigger interval works different. its not a time interval after that queues are scanned if they should be triggered again, its a time interval that has to be expirered after the last trigger message was generated and a new message that is put to the queue. read system application programmers guide for details. regards stefan -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Chan, Ian M [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Gesendet: Dienstag, 26. November 2002 01:45 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: Triggering when CKTI comes up I think it also depends on the trigger interval. Once the CKTI is up and running, the trigger message will be generated within the trigger interval period. Ian -Original Message- From: Potkay, Peter M (PLC, IT) [mailto
Re: Triggering when CKTI comes up
Not unless a message arrives. -Original Message- From: Chan, Ian M [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 4:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Triggering when CKTI comes up I think it also depends on the trigger interval. Once the CKTI is up and running, the trigger message will be generated within the trigger interval period. Ian -Original Message- From: Potkay, Peter M (PLC, IT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 26 November 2002 8:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Triggering when CKTI comes up One of the times that the QM checks to see if a trigger message should be generated is when the INIT queue IPROCS count goes from 0 to 1. I would think that when CKT1 is brought up, it opens the INIT queue, and if no other app had the init queue open, the IPROCS would then go from 0 to 1. The queue manager would check to see if any queues meet trigger criteria, and would see that your triggered on first queue had more than zero messages on it, and would thus trigger. I tested this behaviour on distributed and it does exactly that. Don't know if CICS would be different. The triggering manual doesn't say so. http://publibfp.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/html/csqzal06/csqzal06tfrm.htm Chapter 14, Section 13.D Peter Potkay IBM MQSeries Certified Specialist, Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] X 77906 -Original Message- From: MCSHEFFREY, MICHELLE (AIT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Triggering when CKTI comes up If there are messages on a queue that is set to trigger a CICS transaction on FIRST, and the CICS region is down, will a trigger message be generated when the CICS region and CKTI trigger monitor first come up? I thought yes, but IBM support just told me no. I don't want to spend a lot of time looking at the wrong problem (we're getting a trigger when CICS comes up in production but not in test), so please someone tell me which is correct. Thanks. Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return email and delete this communication and destroy all copies. Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive
Re: Triggering when CKTI comes up
Yes it will. If you do not see it in test then look at your initq. Dave -Original Message- From: MCSHEFFREY, MICHELLE (AIT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Triggering when CKTI comes up If there are messages on a queue that is set to trigger a CICS transaction on FIRST, and the CICS region is down, will a trigger message be generated when the CICS region and CKTI trigger monitor first come up? I thought yes, but IBM support just told me no. I don't want to spend a lot of time looking at the wrong problem (we're getting a trigger when CICS comes up in production but not in test), so please someone tell me which is correct. Thanks. Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive
Re: Triggering when CKTI comes up
One of the times that the QM checks to see if a trigger message should be generated is when the INIT queue IPROCS count goes from 0 to 1. I would think that when CKT1 is brought up, it opens the INIT queue, and if no other app had the init queue open, the IPROCS would then go from 0 to 1. The queue manager would check to see if any queues meet trigger criteria, and would see that your triggered on first queue had more than zero messages on it, and would thus trigger. I tested this behaviour on distributed and it does exactly that. Don't know if CICS would be different. The triggering manual doesn't say so. http://publibfp.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/html/csqzal06/csqzal06tfrm.htm Chapter 14, Section 13.D Peter Potkay IBM MQSeries Certified Specialist, Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] X 77906 -Original Message- From: MCSHEFFREY, MICHELLE (AIT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Triggering when CKTI comes up If there are messages on a queue that is set to trigger a CICS transaction on FIRST, and the CICS region is down, will a trigger message be generated when the CICS region and CKTI trigger monitor first come up? I thought yes, but IBM support just told me no. I don't want to spend a lot of time looking at the wrong problem (we're getting a trigger when CICS comes up in production but not in test), so please someone tell me which is correct. Thanks. Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return email and delete this communication and destroy all copies. Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive
Re: Triggering when CKTI comes up
One of the prerequisites for trigging is that a trigger monitor must have the initiation queue open for input. This is likely the reason. -Original Message- From: MCSHEFFREY, MICHELLE (AIT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 12:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Triggering when CKTI comes up If there are messages on a queue that is set to trigger a CICS transaction on FIRST, and the CICS region is down, will a trigger message be generated when the CICS region and CKTI trigger monitor first come up? I thought yes, but IBM support just told me no. I don't want to spend a lot of time looking at the wrong problem (we're getting a trigger when CICS comes up in production but not in test), so please someone tell me which is correct. Thanks. Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive
Re: Triggering when CKTI comes up
Unless IBM changed things and I may be mistaken, I have been away from OS390 for a year and a half so the finer details are getting fuzzy. When you restart a CICS Trigger Monitor the triggers get fired again. Anybody else bobbee From: MCSHEFFREY, MICHELLE (AIT) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: MQSeries List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Triggering when CKTI comes up Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 15:37:42 -0500 If there are messages on a queue that is set to trigger a CICS transaction on FIRST, and the CICS region is down, will a trigger message be generated when the CICS region and CKTI trigger monitor first come up? I thought yes, but IBM support just told me no. I don't want to spend a lot of time looking at the wrong problem (we're getting a trigger when CICS comes up in production but not in test), so please someone tell me which is correct. Thanks. Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive
Re: Triggering when CKTI comes up
I think it also depends on the trigger interval. Once the CKTI is up and running, the trigger message will be generated within the trigger interval period. Ian -Original Message- From: Potkay, Peter M (PLC, IT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 26 November 2002 8:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Triggering when CKTI comes up One of the times that the QM checks to see if a trigger message should be generated is when the INIT queue IPROCS count goes from 0 to 1. I would think that when CKT1 is brought up, it opens the INIT queue, and if no other app had the init queue open, the IPROCS would then go from 0 to 1. The queue manager would check to see if any queues meet trigger criteria, and would see that your triggered on first queue had more than zero messages on it, and would thus trigger. I tested this behaviour on distributed and it does exactly that. Don't know if CICS would be different. The triggering manual doesn't say so. http://publibfp.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/html/csqzal06/csqzal06tfrm.htm Chapter 14, Section 13.D Peter Potkay IBM MQSeries Certified Specialist, Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] X 77906 -Original Message- From: MCSHEFFREY, MICHELLE (AIT) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 3:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Triggering when CKTI comes up If there are messages on a queue that is set to trigger a CICS transaction on FIRST, and the CICS region is down, will a trigger message be generated when the CICS region and CKTI trigger monitor first come up? I thought yes, but IBM support just told me no. I don't want to spend a lot of time looking at the wrong problem (we're getting a trigger when CICS comes up in production but not in test), so please someone tell me which is correct. Thanks. Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return email and delete this communication and destroy all copies. Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive
