Re: Soap versus MQseries
Ullabritt, Thanks for the find. John Dawson -Original Message- From: ulla [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 3:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: Soap versus MQseries concerning 'WebSphere MQ Solutions in a Microsoft.NET environment (SG24-70120-00)'. It's still a 'red-book abstract' to be found in http://publib-b.boulder.ibm.com/Redbooks.nsf/RedbookAbstracts/sg247012.html? Open or directly http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg247012.pdf rgds Denis Wiberg Sweden -Original Message- From: "Wyatt, T. Rob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 09:51:16 -0600 Subject: Re: Soap versus MQseries Sorry, I do not. -Original Message- From: Dawson, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 10:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Soap versus MQseries Rob, Thanks. The supportpac states ''Users may also be interested to know of the availability of a Redbook published by IBM enttiled 'WebSphere MQ Solutions in a Microsoft.NET environment (SG24-70120-00)'. " When I go to the IBM redbook web site, I cannot locate any existence of this manual. Would you happen to have a copy of it, or anyone. Thanks, John Dawson Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive
Re: Soap versus MQseries
concerning 'WebSphere MQ Solutions in a Microsoft.NET environment (SG24-70120-00)'. It's still a 'red-book abstract' to be found in http://publib-b.boulder.ibm.com/Redbooks.nsf/RedbookAbstracts/sg247012.html?Open or directly http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg247012.pdf rgds Denis Wiberg Sweden -Original Message- From: "Wyatt, T. Rob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 09:51:16 -0600 Subject: Re: Soap versus MQseries Sorry, I do not. -Original Message- From: Dawson, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 10:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Soap versus MQseries Rob, Thanks. The supportpac states ''Users may also be interested to know of the availability of a Redbook published by IBM enttiled 'WebSphere MQ Solutions in a Microsoft.NET environment (SG24-70120-00)'. " When I go to the IBM redbook web site, I cannot locate any existence of this manual. Would you happen to have a copy of it, or anyone. Thanks, John Dawson Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive
Re: Soap versus MQseries
There are different concepts, SOAP is a protocol, MQSeries is a transport. You can bind SOAP protocol to any transport (http, etc.) including MQSeries. Regards. --- Roberto Oscar Sánchez - Arquitecto de Sistemas Centrales Banco Galicia - Gerencia de Sistemas - Arquitectura Corporativa Peron 525 - Piso 6 - C1038AAK - 54-11-6329-5349 Buenos Aires - Argentina - [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Ton van der Starre <[EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] NL> cc: Enviado por: Asunto: Soap versus MQseries MQSeries List <[EMAIL PROTECTED] AC.AT> 04/01/2004 16:36 Por favor, responda a MQSeries List Hi all, we are currently investigating the introduction of SOAP in our company, application integration purposes and delevering services over the internet. This because developers find it easy to use and it communicates over HTTP. At the moment we are using Websphere MQseries to establish that. I'm faces with the challenge to define company policies on when to use SOAP and when to use MQ. So I can use a lot of information on the subject. Does anyone have ideas or is willing to share information with me. Best regards, Ton van der Starre ADP The Netherlands Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive
Re: Soap versus MQseries
SOAP and MQSeries are not mutually exclusive. SOAP messages are XML formatted messages which can be sent using either HTTP or MQSeries. HTTP is best for quick request/response and light loads. You can also use a standard web server as the interface. MQSeries gives you the features of SOAP but adds persistent messages, and the ability to have a very "light" process send the request and wait for the matching response. The "hard work" can be done by a middleware server that reads the MQ Message, performs the database and application work, then formats a response. This keeps the server work much simpler, especially integration with legacy servers and services or proprietary servers such as SAP, Peoplesoft, and Seibel. There are also industry standard interfaces to MQSI for things like FIX (bank), SWIFT (brokerage), HIPPA (insurance), and other similar standards. WMQI or WBI-MQ (previously known as MQSI) is a very nice way to format transactions into XML, and with very little effort, the XML can be formatted as SOAP transactions. Websphere Application Server (WAS) provides a very nice combination of both HTTP and MQ connectivity. You can send your SOAP transactions to WAS via HTTP, WAS can convert them to MQ and forward them to MQSI, and MQSI can interface with traditional servers (such as CICS/COBOL) or with other XML based servers. The other advantage of WAS is that you can coordinate more complex "multiple screen" transactions such as looking at catalogue items, filling a shopping cart, checking out, taking the payment,, and shipping the order. In addition, you can use WBI-Modeler/Monitor to manage workflow when you have multiple steps along the process required for exception handling, approvals, or just making sure that everybody is coordinated. SOAP is a sensible approach. IBM also supports UDDI (Universal Dynamic Discovery Interface) and WSDL (Web Service Description Language). All of these can be used with various combinations of HTTP and MQ, depending on what systems are being integrated. Please respond to MQSeries List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: MQSeries List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Soap versus MQseries Hi all, we are currently investigating the introduction of SOAP in our company, application integration purposes and delevering services over the internet. This because developers find it easy to use and it communicates over HTTP. At the moment we are using Websphere MQseries to establish that. I'm faces with the challenge to define company policies on when to use SOAP and when to use MQ. So I can use a lot of information on the subject. Does anyone have ideas or is willing to share information with me. Best regards, Ton van der Starre ADP The Netherlands Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive
Re: Soap versus MQseries
Sorry, I do not. -Original Message- From: Dawson, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 10:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Soap versus MQseries Rob, Thanks. The supportpac states ''Users may also be interested to know of the availability of a Redbook published by IBM enttiled 'WebSphere MQ Solutions in a Microsoft.NET environment (SG24-70120-00)'. " When I go to the IBM redbook web site, I cannot locate any existence of this manual. Would you happen to have a copy of it, or anyone. Thanks, John Dawson Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive
Re: Soap versus MQseries
Rob, Thanks. The supportpac states ''Users may also be interested to know of the availability of a Redbook published by IBM enttiled 'WebSphere MQ Solutions in a Microsoft.NET environment (SG24-70120-00)'. " When I go to the IBM redbook web site, I cannot locate any existence of this manual. Would you happen to have a copy of it, or anyone. Thanks, John Dawson -Original Message- From: Wyatt, T. Rob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 8:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Soap versus MQseries Ton, The two generally are not considered to be direct alternatives. SOAP is a higher level protocol that makes objects and methods available over a variety of transports including HTTP, email, WMQ, FTP, etc. On the other hand, WMQ is a transport protocol on which some higher level protocols such as JMS and SOAP are built. It's not usually a question of SOAP VS. WMQ but rather a question of "do my SOAP messages need the reliability of an MQ transport or can they go over HTTP?" If you need to make object-oriented services available or to consume them, use SOAP. If you need assured once-only delivery of discrete messages, use WMQ. If you need both, consider SOAP over a WMQ transport. You may want to look at the SOAP Support Pac if you have not already: http://www-306.ibm.com/software/integration/support/supportpacs/individual/m a0r.html -- T.Rob -Original Message- From: Ton van der Starre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 2:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Soap versus MQseries Hi all, we are currently investigating the introduction of SOAP in our company, application integration purposes and delevering services over the internet. This because developers find it easy to use and it communicates over HTTP. At the moment we are using Websphere MQseries to establish that. I'm faces with the challenge to define company policies on when to use SOAP and when to use MQ. So I can use a lot of information on the subject. Does anyone have ideas or is willing to share information with me. Best regards, Ton van der Starre ADP The Netherlands Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive
Re: Soap versus MQseries
Ton, The two generally are not considered to be direct alternatives. SOAP is a higher level protocol that makes objects and methods available over a variety of transports including HTTP, email, WMQ, FTP, etc. On the other hand, WMQ is a transport protocol on which some higher level protocols such as JMS and SOAP are built. It's not usually a question of SOAP VS. WMQ but rather a question of "do my SOAP messages need the reliability of an MQ transport or can they go over HTTP?" If you need to make object-oriented services available or to consume them, use SOAP. If you need assured once-only delivery of discrete messages, use WMQ. If you need both, consider SOAP over a WMQ transport. You may want to look at the SOAP Support Pac if you have not already: http://www-306.ibm.com/software/integration/support/supportpacs/individual/m a0r.html -- T.Rob -Original Message- From: Ton van der Starre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 2:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Soap versus MQseries Hi all, we are currently investigating the introduction of SOAP in our company, application integration purposes and delevering services over the internet. This because developers find it easy to use and it communicates over HTTP. At the moment we are using Websphere MQseries to establish that. I'm faces with the challenge to define company policies on when to use SOAP and when to use MQ. So I can use a lot of information on the subject. Does anyone have ideas or is willing to share information with me. Best regards, Ton van der Starre ADP The Netherlands Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive
Soap versus MQseries
Hi all, we are currently investigating the introduction of SOAP in our company, application integration purposes and delevering services over the internet. This because developers find it easy to use and it communicates over HTTP. At the moment we are using Websphere MQseries to establish that. I'm faces with the challenge to define company policies on when to use SOAP and when to use MQ. So I can use a lot of information on the subject. Does anyone have ideas or is willing to share information with me. Best regards, Ton van der Starre ADP The Netherlands Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://vm.akh-wien.ac.at/MQSeries.archive
