Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Indentation and other settings

[Graeme Geldenhuys]

On 08/02/2020 1:25 pm, fredvs wrote:
> Your indent-config is a good example, it should be (ones again imho) global
> and not per project.
> The same for the font used in editor, pair-word, etc...

I'm totally okay with such global options too, but I think it would be
nice (though probaly more work) to also still keep the Per Project
options. So the Per Project options will override the Global IDE Options.

This design will also make it 100% backward compatible with existing
Project files/settings, as they will override the newly introduced
Global IDE Options.

I think that would be the ideal solution.


Regards,
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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Indentation and other settings

[Graeme Geldenhuys]

On 08/02/2020 5:00 pm, Roland Chastain wrote:
> OK Fred, thank you. I will follow the progress of ideU.

I'm hoping that over time the official MSEide can incorporate most ideU
enhancements, so we don't end up with a fragmented project.

Just my 2c. But then on the flip side, maybe Fred wants to use ideU
where things can be experimented with before they make it into the
official MSEide - that's actually not such a bad idea either. But again,
that could be accomplished in the official MSEide repository too, using
an "experimental" branch/branches, where ideas can easily and quickly be
merged and tested for some time, because some of those features make it
into the "master" branch.

I think IntelliJ IDEA and Git itself follow that development process.
You have the official stable branch, and then multiple feature branches,
and an "experimental" branch which contains most of the feature branches
all merged together for trialling.


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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide package for Mageia

[Graeme Geldenhuys]

On 08/02/2020 5:34 pm, Roland Chastain wrote:
> It's an old version (3.1). As I am myself a Mageia user, I thought
> that it would be a good idea to update this package.

That's where I really like FreeBSD's package management. They download
and compile code directly from the original project repository. FreeBSD
only maintains patches (if required) to compile the official project
code under FreeBSD before it gets installed.

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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide package for Mageia

[Graeme Geldenhuys]

On 09/02/2020 3:52 am, Roland Chastain wrote:
> With your kind permission, I would like to make a Mageia package
> (*.rpm) for the latest version of MSEide (4.6.2).


Why not adopt the offical distro independent online package manager that
Free Pascal supplies? One package that can be used on all Linux,
FreeBSD, Windows etc environments.

https://wiki.freepascal.org/Online_Package_Manager

I think the above is the correct link, but shows the "gui frontend" for
the underlying FPC package manager. FPC includes out of the box a CLI
tool that allows you to query and install packages with very little effort.

eg:

 $> fppkg --help
 $> fppkg update
 $> fppkg list

etc...

Regards,
  Graeme




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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide package for Mageia

[Graeme Geldenhuys]

On 09/02/2020 12:48 pm, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote:
> https://wiki.freepascal.org/Online_Package_Manager
> 
> I think the above is the correct link, but shows the "gui frontend" for
> the underlying FPC package manager. FPC includes out of the box a CLI
> tool


Here is information about the official FPC cli utility.

  https://wiki.freepascal.org/fppkg


Regards,
  Graeme


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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Indentation and other settings

[fredvs]

Hello Graeme.

> but I think it would be nice (though probaly more work) to also still keep
> the Per Project options. 

Huh, it is exactly what was done in ideU, you may choose or use the settings
of the project or the global settings.
And you may switch from one to other.

Of course I did not touch to the code of settings by projects.

Fre;D



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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Indentation and other settings

[fredvs]

Hello Graeme.

Like I explained before, I am totally open to incorporate ideU features to
mseide.

But I dont think it is ok to fork ideU into mseide.

ideU is not "pure" msegui, it uses some fpGUI and Lazarus units and some
code is used to make work fpGUI_designer_ext and sak assistive kit.

I use ideU because it has "Geany" features, like compiling the edited
source.

Imho, mseide should stay like it is now, compact and msegui centered.

And if bugs are found or new features needed like those you proposed, it is
good to fix/add it.

All that said, till now, I did not find how to fix the "msestat" bug when
using fpc 3.3.1. ;(

Fre;D





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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Indentation and other settings

[Graeme Geldenhuys]

On 09/02/2020 2:18 pm, fredvs wrote:
> ideU is not "pure" msegui, it uses some fpGUI and Lazarus units and
> some code is used to make work fpGUI_designer_ext and sak assistive
> kit.

Ah yes, I forgot about that. In that case, keeping it as a separate
"specialized MSEide" is indeed the better option.


> All that said, till now, I did not find how to fix the "msestat" bug
> when using fpc 3.3.1. ;(

Oh - I thought you found and fixes the issue.


Regards,
  Graeme


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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Indentation and other settings

[Graeme Geldenhuys]

On 09/02/2020 2:04 pm, fredvs wrote:
> it is exactly what was done in ideU, you may choose or use the settings
> of the project or the global settings.
> And you may switch from one to other.


Then that sounds like the perfect solution to MSEide too. Sorry if I
misunderstood - I haven't used ideU in many years. Clearly a lot has
changed/improved since then. :-)


Regards,
  Graeme



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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide package for Mageia

[Roland Chastain]

Thank you Graeme. I will study that possibility.




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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Indentation and other settings

[fredvs]

> Oh - I thought you found and fixes the issue. 

More or less the cause but not yet the fix:

http://free-pascal-general.1045716.n5.nabble.com/Compatibility-problems-with-fpc-gt-3-3-1-rev-42375-td5734232i20.html#a5734851

  

We are waiting for a guru with brave heart.

Fre;D



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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Indentation and other settings

[fredvs]

> Then that sounds like the perfect solution to MSEide too. 

Yes it sounds but for that a new window must be implemented in mseide.
Yes, it can be done of course (but not sure Martin will like it for mseide,
it was already asked many time, without luck).

Fre;D








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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Indentation and other settings

[Roland Chastain]

@Fred

About the msestat issue, could you make a minimal project that shows the
issue?

I will start to investigate seriously with you. I think I know someone who
could solve the problem but I need a little project who demonstrates clearly
the issue.

Or, if it isn't possible to do a little project, could you say to you how
you test the thing?

Regards.

Roland



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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Indentation and other settings

[fredvs]

@Roland

> About the msestat issue, could you make a minimal project that shows the
> issue? 

You may test it with all projects that use a msestat file (kind of ini or
json file).
For example your msegui-chessboard is using a msestat file to store info
about the filenames of images of black/white case, position and size of the
main window when it is loaded, etc...

If you compile msegui-chessboard with fpc 3.3.1 trunk, you will see that
those info are not loaded, the application is loaded  without loading the
data from msestat file because something is not understood.

The same if you compile mseide with fpc 3.3.1, no data loaded at init and
cannot load the layout files too (that are msestat files).

PS: If you compile the eschecs_mse project (that was in attachment in
eschecs-issue) with fpc 3.3.1 you will note that all is ok.
This because the project is using fpg_ini.pas and his ini file instead of
msestat file.

Fre;D



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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Indentation and other settings

[fredvs]

@Roland

It seems that it has something to do with a array length problem.
If the number of forms and widgets > 1 it is like only the first row of the
array is read.

Fre;D



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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] Indentation and other settings

[Roland Chastain]

OK, Fred, I see. Thank you for the information.

I will investigate.

BUT, in the meantime, you can sleep well because 1° you know where is the
problem 2° you have a temporary solution and 3° FPC 3.3.1 is not an official
release.

Good night!
 



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