[MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1
Hi, MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1 is available. https://sourceforge.net/projects/mseide-msegui/files/mseide-msegui/3.0beta1/ This is the first release without dependence on FPC FCL and streaming system. Please change "db" to "mdb" and add "mclasses" after "classes" in uses of your units if necessary. The development of an own compiler/interpreter has been started too. It will take several years, stay tuned! :-) Martin -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1
An own compiler? forking fpc? wow... a big task for only one man ;) 2013/6/29 Martin Schreiber > Hi, > MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1 is available. > > > https://sourceforge.net/projects/mseide-msegui/files/mseide-msegui/3.0beta1/ > > This is the first release without dependence on FPC FCL and streaming > system. > Please change "db" to "mdb" and add "mclasses" after "classes" in uses of > your units if necessary. > > The development of an own compiler/interpreter has been started too. > It will take several years, stay tuned! :-) > > Martin > > > -- > This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: > > Build for Windows Store. > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev > ___ > mseide-msegui-talk mailing list > mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk > -- Julio Jiménez Borreguero -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1
On Saturday 29 June 2013 11:10:40 Julio Jiménez wrote: > An own compiler? forking fpc? wow... a big task for only one man ;) > Not forking, a completely new design. Martin -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1
Just curiosity, what made you to take that decission, the latest fpc changes? An Interpeter too.. :) Could you give us some more details? I'm intrigued. 2013/6/29 Martin Schreiber > On Saturday 29 June 2013 11:10:40 Julio Jiménez wrote: > > An own compiler? forking fpc? wow... a big task for only one man ;) > > > Not forking, a completely new design. > > Martin > > > -- > This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: > > Build for Windows Store. > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev > ___ > mseide-msegui-talk mailing list > mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk > -- Julio Jiménez Borreguero -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1
On Saturday 29 June 2013 11:17:52 Julio Jiménez wrote: > Just curiosity, what made you to take that decission, the latest fpc > changes? > > An Interpeter too.. :) > > Could you give us some more details? I'm intrigued. > Later, I must leave now. Martin -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1
np, :) Have a nice day! 2013/6/29 Martin Schreiber > On Saturday 29 June 2013 11:17:52 Julio Jiménez wrote: > > Just curiosity, what made you to take that decission, the latest fpc > > changes? > > > > An Interpeter too.. :) > > > > Could you give us some more details? I'm intrigued. > > > Later, I must leave now. > > Martin > > > -- > This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: > > Build for Windows Store. > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev > ___ > mseide-msegui-talk mailing list > mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk > -- Julio Jiménez Borreguero -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1
Not forking, a completely new design. === With friend classes, namespaces, some C++ featutes etc ? -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1
Would you like to consider IIF() function and codeBlock What says the majority? Thank You 2013/6/29 Ivanko B > Not forking, a completely new design. > === > With friend classes, namespaces, some C++ featutes etc ? > > > -- > This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: > > Build for Windows Store. > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev > ___ > mseide-msegui-talk mailing list > mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk > -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1
On Saturday 29 June 2013 15:39:39 Med Hamza wrote: > Would you like to consider IIF() function and codeBlock > What is IIF()? What is codeBlock? Martin -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1
On Saturday 29 June 2013 11:17:52 Julio Jiménez wrote: > Just curiosity, what made you to take that decission, the latest fpc > changes? > > An Interpeter too.. :) > > Could you give us some more details? I'm intrigued. > It is planned first to make a very fast table driven frontend with a small kernel which can be optimized to a high level. It will not use a scanner and produce intermediate code which can be interpreted in remote-MSEifi applications. Later some backends probably also for Microprocessors. Martin -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1
On Saturday 29 June 2013 11:23:22 Ivanko B wrote: > Not forking, a completely new design. > === > With friend classes, namespaces, some C++ featutes etc ? > No, more "back to the roots". Martin -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1
IIF may be used as calculated field in Report or dbgrid
For example
function f(n):integer
return IIF( n=0,1,f(n-1));
Codeblock
Var cb:codeblock;
cb:={|i,j| i+6j};
and we can evaluate with eval(cb,5,8)
2013/6/29 Martin Schreiber
> On Saturday 29 June 2013 11:17:52 Julio Jiménez wrote:
> > Just curiosity, what made you to take that decission, the latest fpc
> > changes?
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> > An Interpeter too.. :)
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> kernel which can be optimized to a high level. It will not use a scanner
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> produce intermediate code which can be interpreted in remote-MSEifi
> applications. Later some backends probably also for Microprocessors.
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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1
Intermediate code? something like CPython? A virtual machine like Java, C#...? What about performance? usually intermediate code is slower to execute. Will be the existing code compatible? 2013/6/29 Martin Schreiber > On Saturday 29 June 2013 11:17:52 Julio Jiménez wrote: > > Just curiosity, what made you to take that decission, the latest fpc > > changes? > > > > An Interpeter too.. :) > > > > Could you give us some more details? I'm intrigued. > > > It is planned first to make a very fast table driven frontend with a small > kernel which can be optimized to a high level. It will not use a scanner > and > produce intermediate code which can be interpreted in remote-MSEifi > applications. Later some backends probably also for Microprocessors. > > Martin > > > -- > This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: > > Build for Windows Store. > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev > ___ > mseide-msegui-talk mailing list > mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk > -- Julio Jiménez Borreguero -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1
On Saturday 29 June 2013 19:44:08 Julio Jiménez wrote: > Intermediate code? something like CPython? A virtual machine like Java, > C#...? What about performance? usually intermediate code is slower to > execute. Probably a simple virtual machine. It is the first step in order to develop and test the frontend, to develop the syntax and as interpreter for remote-MSEifi. The performance is not very important here, the procedures are small because MSEifi handles the whole GUI stuff in usual MSE speed. The later planned backends will produce native machine code. > Will be the existing code compatible? > Mostly, a streamlined subset with extensions to achieve the "most productive universal programming language of the universe". ;-) Main goals are simplicity, easy to learn, as less as possible different constructs and concepts and the ability to produce low level code with maximal performance. Martin -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1
2013/6/29 Martin Schreiber > Mostly, a streamlined subset with extensions to achieve the "most > productive > universal programming language of the universe". ;-) > You are speaking about a new Pascal/Object Pascal compiler/interpreter right? -- Julio Jiménez Borreguero -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1
On Saturday 29 June 2013 20:54:47 Julio Jiménez wrote: > 2013/6/29 Martin Schreiber > > > Mostly, a streamlined subset with extensions to achieve the "most > > productive > > universal programming language of the universe". ;-) > > You are speaking about a new Pascal/Object Pascal compiler/interpreter > right? Yes, because I think Object Pascal as it was originally designed by Borland is near by my ideal. Martin -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1
Yes Borland did a great job even when Delphi was full of bugs :D So, may I think you are unhappy with the direction that FPC is following or simply you think can make a better tool? You know, Pascal community is not big and dividing efforts is not probably a good idea. Probably you have your good reasons to take this decision, I still think it's probably a big work for only one developer. As Freepascal user, I'm a bit worried because actually I can share code between FPC, Lazarus and MSEide applications with very little effort and probably this will change if you take a different way. I have MSEide and Lazarus applications running in production, with very good results. With different compilers... who know what will be going on. I'll stay tuned :) 2013/6/29 Martin Schreiber > On Saturday 29 June 2013 20:54:47 Julio Jiménez wrote: > > 2013/6/29 Martin Schreiber > > > > > Mostly, a streamlined subset with extensions to achieve the "most > > > productive > > > universal programming language of the universe". ;-) > > > > You are speaking about a new Pascal/Object Pascal compiler/interpreter > > right? > > Yes, because I think Object Pascal as it was originally designed by > Borland is > near by my ideal. > > Martin > > > -- > This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: > > Build for Windows Store. > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev > ___ > mseide-msegui-talk mailing list > mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk > -- Julio Jiménez Borreguero -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1
On Saturday 29 June 2013 21:42:24 Julio Jiménez wrote: > Yes Borland did a great job even when Delphi was full of bugs :D > > So, may I think you are unhappy with the direction that FPC is following or > simply you think can make a better tool? > Both. > You know, Pascal community is not big and dividing efforts is not probably > a good idea. Probably you have your good reasons to take this decision, I > still think it's probably a big work for only one developer. > Me too. :-) MSEide+MSEgui is also big work BTW... > As Freepascal user, I'm a bit worried because actually I can share code > between FPC, Lazarus and MSEide applications with very little effort and > probably this will change if you take a different way. > > I have MSEide and Lazarus applications running in production, with very > good results. With different compilers... who know what will be going on. > > I'll stay tuned :) > I have FPC based applications in production and a big FPC codebase too so there sure will be a solution. Maybe different dialects, we will see. First I want to check what can be achieved with a fresh attempt. Martin -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1
wow , greate ide + great GUI + new compiler ! , if this happen your name will be written in history . belive me i'll stay tuned too . btw : here where i live , many of my friends start using mseide . this product has a bright future 2013/6/29, Martin Schreiber : > On Saturday 29 June 2013 21:42:24 Julio Jiménez wrote: >> Yes Borland did a great job even when Delphi was full of bugs :D >> >> So, may I think you are unhappy with the direction that FPC is following >> or >> simply you think can make a better tool? >> > Both. > >> You know, Pascal community is not big and dividing efforts is not probably >> a good idea. Probably you have your good reasons to take this decision, I >> still think it's probably a big work for only one developer. >> > Me too. :-) > MSEide+MSEgui is also big work BTW... > >> As Freepascal user, I'm a bit worried because actually I can share code >> between FPC, Lazarus and MSEide applications with very little effort and >> probably this will change if you take a different way. >> >> I have MSEide and Lazarus applications running in production, with very >> good results. With different compilers... who know what will be going on. >> >> I'll stay tuned :) >> > I have FPC based applications in production and a big FPC codebase too so > there sure will be a solution. Maybe different dialects, we will see. First > I > want to check what can be achieved with a fresh attempt. > > Martin > > -- > This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: > > Build for Windows Store. > > http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev > ___ > mseide-msegui-talk mailing list > mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk > -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1
On Sunday 30 June 2013 10:15:08 airpas wrote: > wow , greate ide + great GUI + new compiler ! , if this happen your > name will be written in history . belive me > ;-) > > i'll stay tuned too . > > btw : here where i live , many of my friends start using mseide . > Where are you living? Martin -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1
Hallo Martin, Du schriebst am Sat, 29 Jun 2013 20:45:52 +0200: [own Pascal compiler] > > Will be the existing code compatible? > > > Mostly, a streamlined subset with extensions to achieve the "most > productive universal programming language of the universe". ;-) > Main goals are simplicity, easy to learn, as less as possible different > constructs and concepts and the ability to produce low level code with > maximal performance. Hmmm. Seems right now you're a little overpaid or underworked? Have you already done a compiler, complete with code generation and error handling? And you'll need a runtime library, too. (Quite some time ago, I did have to build - rebuild, to be precise - a small compiler. It was for a simple special [PLC] language, no objects, just standard control constructs and mathematical expressions, and maybe even subroutines. It compiled to assembler code, and the goal was to achieve an appreciable reduction of code size compared to the existing compiler. It amounted to a complete rework, which took me a couple weeks to write and quite some time to test before it was delivered to the customer. It worked mainly as intended, except for a nasty problem that occured with one specific program, where it always crashed... Turned out this was due to an [undocumented] assumption in the parser generator, which didn't expect anything beyond the 7-bit ASCII character range - and this program contained exactly one Umlaut, in a comment... Took another couple weeks to find, although it was fixed in a couple minutes then.) You're facing quite a challenge here, Object Pascal isn't a simnple language at all, especially because of the rather intricate data structures to be built and managed. And doing that _fast_ is another, twofold, challenge - you have to make the compiler _work_ fast, and have to make it produce code that's working fast. That's certainly an interesting feat, but it'if s not done full time, it will almost certainly become a never ending story... Anyway, I wish you good luck! (And continuing optimism;) -- (Weitergabe von Adressdaten, Telefonnummern u.ä. ohne Zustimmung nicht gestattet, ebenso Zusendung von Werbung oder ähnlichem) --- Mit freundlichen Grüßen, S. Schicktanz --- -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1
On Sunday 30 June 2013 01:24:08 Sieghard wrote: > Hallo Martin, > > Du schriebst am Sat, 29 Jun 2013 20:45:52 +0200: > > [own Pascal compiler] > [...] > > That's certainly an interesting feat, but it'if s not done full time, it > will almost certainly become a never ending story... It will be done full time. > Anyway, I wish you good luck! (And continuing optimism;) Thanks! :-) Martin -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1
btw : here where i live , many of my friends start using mseide . this product has a bright future. If one needs to program smth 1) with good quality 2) fully unicode transparent & 2) ASAP then MSEgui is one's choice. The only (big) problem is the lack of API library docs on some (mainly related to asynchronous operations.) features difficult to get by reading sources. -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1
Hmmm. Seems right now you're a little overpaid or underworked? === Every good specialist will eventually become such :) -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1
On Monday 01 July 2013 06:54:29 Ivanko B wrote: > btw : here where i live , many of my friends start using mseide . > this product has a bright future. > > If one needs to program smth 1) with good quality 2) fully unicode > transparent & 2) ASAP then MSEgui is one's choice. The only (big) > problem is the lack of API library docs on some (mainly related to > asynchronous operations.) features difficult to get by reading > sources. > If the MSEide+MSEgui community starts a well structured documenting process I'll provide the necessary details. But first I want to see something reasonable. Martin -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1
On 29/06/13 20:17, Martin Schreiber wrote: > > Yes, because I think Object Pascal as it was originally designed by Borland > is > near by my ideal. Indeed, and I commend you for your efforts. Please consider building a debugger at the same time as the compiler. GDB is just awful for Object Pascal! I don't know of any other language that has such bad debugger support like FPC's Object Pascal. Regards, - Graeme - -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 9:01 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: > On 29/06/13 20:17, Martin Schreiber wrote: >> >> Yes, because I think Object Pascal as it was originally designed by Borland >> is >> near by my ideal. > > Indeed, and I commend you for your efforts. > > Please consider building a debugger at the same time as the compiler. > GDB is just awful for Object Pascal! I don't know of any other language > that has such bad debugger support like FPC's Object Pascal. +1 Marcos Douglas -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1
> I don't know of any other language that has such bad debugger support like > FPC's Object Pascal. TCL/TK, with its only debugging facilities of writting to console/log file. -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1
On 01/07/13 20:23, Ivanko B wrote: > > TCL/TK, with its only debugging facilities of writting to console/log file. That's what I use now with Free Pascal! :) I use a customised dbugintf unit and my own Debug Server to display logs and fpGUI types. I also often use the tiLog unit from the tiOPF project. The latter can log to file, console, runtime window, eventlog of Windows or a Debug Server. I never use GDB with Free Pascal based applications any more. Regards, - Graeme - -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1
Hallo Martin, Du schriebst am Mon, 1 Jul 2013 07:09:55 +0200: > If the MSEide+MSEgui community starts a well structured documenting > process I'll provide the necessary details. But first I want to see > something reasonable. You _do_ know what every programmer wants to work at the least. ]:-> -- (Weitergabe von Adressdaten, Telefonnummern u.ä. ohne Zustimmung nicht gestattet, ebenso Zusendung von Werbung oder ähnlichem) --- Mit freundlichen Grüßen, S. Schicktanz --- -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] MSEide+MSEgui 3.0beta1
Hallo Ivanko, Du schriebst am Mon, 1 Jul 2013 10:05:23 +0500: > Hmmm. Seems right now you're a little overpaid or underworked? > === > Every good specialist will eventually become such :) Hmmm - I guess these will have it the other way 'round: overworked and underpaid... };-> -- (Weitergabe von Adressdaten, Telefonnummern u.ä. ohne Zustimmung nicht gestattet, ebenso Zusendung von Werbung oder ähnlichem) --- Mit freundlichen Grüßen, S. Schicktanz --- -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Windows: Build for Windows Store. http://p.sf.net/sfu/windows-dev2dev ___ mseide-msegui-talk mailing list mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk
