Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] iassistiveclientgrid and cek_enter ?

[Fred van Stappen]

Hello Martin.

Game over.

MSEgui is assisted, MSEide too.
=> https://github.com/fredvs/sak

ideU (based on MSEide) is totally assisted.
=> https://github.com/fredvs/ideU

Many thanks Martin for your perfect assistive interface.

Happy Xmas for everybody.

Fre;D
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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] iassistiveclientgrid and cek_enter ?

[Martin Schreiber]

On Thursday 24 December 2015 12:37:26 Fred van Stappen wrote:
> Hello Martin.
>
> Game over.
>
> MSEgui is assisted, MSEide too.
> => https://github.com/fredvs/sak
>
> ideU (based on MSEide) is totally assisted.
> => https://github.com/fredvs/ideU
>
Congrats and thank you very much!

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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] iassistiveclientgrid and cek_enter ?

[Martin Schreiber]

On Wednesday 23 December 2015 17:05:34 Fred van Stappen wrote:
>
> Hum, nearly... => (tobject.classname() says "tcustomtabbar1" :-) )

tcustomtabbar1 inherits from tcustomtabbar.

> But tcustomtabbar1(Sender).activetag return always: 0, even when a other
> tab is clicked ;-(
>
Sure, all tag properties of the tab items have the value 0 by default. Do you 
mean "tcustomtabbar.activetab"?

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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] iassistiveclientgrid and cek_enter ?

[Fred van Stappen]

Hello Martin.

> The question is why sender.getassistivecaption() produces a compile error for 
> you.

Ha, ok. Because Sender was Tobject => changed with iassistiveclient => fixed ;-)

>Why don't you use
> mstr1:= sender.getassistivecaption();
> if mstr1 = '' then begin
>  mstr1:= sender.getassistivename();
> end;

Because it is too simple ;-)
...
No, it is because I like to have full control individual by widget.

> Info about the widget category could be embedded into the result of 
> iassistiveclient.getassistiveflags(). Are there no standards?

Yes, but like for WhatName(), I want to be the boss.
By the way, it will surely be very helpful for somebody else, so many thanks.

> "tobject.classname()" returns the classname.

Excellent and very useful.

>> What widget is it ?
>
>"tcustomtabbar".

Hum, nearly... => (tobject.classname() says "tcustomtabbar1" :-) )
But tcustomtabbar1(Sender).activetag return always: 0, even when a other tab is 
clicked ;-(

=> ttabbar, on his side, gives the correct activetag.

OK, I have follow your advices and commit it to sak_mse.

I am very happy with the result.

Many thanks Martin.

Fre;D





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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] iassistiveclientgrid and cek_enter ?

[Martin Schreiber]

On Wednesday 23 December 2015 17:38:25 Fred van Stappen wrote:
> > > But tcustomtabbar1(Sender).activetag return always: 0, even when a
> > > other tab is clicked ;-(
>
> Ha, ok.
>
> > Sure, all tag properties of the tab items have the value 0 by default. Do
> > you mean "tcustomtabbar.activetab"?
>
> Not sure I understood.
>
> In MSEide, the tabs in source editor are recognized as  tcustomtabbar1.
> Do you mean  "tcustomtabbar1.activetab"?
>
> Yes, of course.
>
> Or how to know the active tab in tcustomtabbar1 ?
>
You wrote "But tcustomtabbar1(Sender).activeta*g* return always: 0",
"activetag" <> "activetab".

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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] iassistiveclientgrid and cek_enter ?

[Fred van Stappen]

> You wrote "But tcustomtabbar1(Sender).activeta*g* return always: 0",
> "activetag" <> "activetab".
> 
> Martin

Oooops, ok, I need new glasses, all is ok now with activetab, sorry for the 
noise.

Many thanks Martin.

Fre;D
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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] iassistiveclientgrid and cek_enter ?

[Fred van Stappen]

> > But tcustomtabbar1(Sender).activetag return always: 0, even when a other
> > tab is clicked ;-(

Ha, ok.

> Sure, all tag properties of the tab items have the value 0 by default. Do you 
> mean "tcustomtabbar.activetab"?

Not sure I understood.

In MSEide, the tabs in source editor are recognized as  tcustomtabbar1.
Do you mean  "tcustomtabbar1.activetab"?

Yes, of course.

Or how to know the active tab in tcustomtabbar1 ?

Thanks.

Fre;D,
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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] iassistiveclientgrid and cek_enter ?

[Martin Schreiber]

On Tuesday 22 December 2015 14:30:09 Martin Schreiber wrote:
>
> The tabs are an embedded tcustomtabbar without widgetstate ws_iswidget
> which does not get iassisttiveserver.clientmouseevent() currently, but
> doitementer() is sent.
> git master a8e9a2545e88b69af73baf3d4f4e84f5aec5cef7 sends
> iassisttiveserver.clientmouseevent() for embedded widgets too.
>
git master 71ea172eb3b828886b9aa02e49be90eff9a166ea returns the new flag 
asf_embedded in iassistiveclient.getassistiveflags() for widgets without 
ws_iswidget. Also fixed the multiple call of iassitiveserver.doitementer() 
for tabs.

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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] iassistiveclientgrid and cek_enter ?

[Fred van Stappen]

> > git master a8e9a2545e88b69af73baf3d4f4e84f5aec5cef7 sends
> > iassisttiveserver.clientmouseevent() for embedded widgets too.
> >
> git master 71ea172eb3b828886b9aa02e49be90eff9a166ea returns the new flag 
> asf_embedded in iassistiveclient.getassistiveflags() for widgets without 
> ws_iswidget. Also fixed the multiple call of iassitiveserver.doitementer() 
> for tabs.

Many thanks Martin ;-)

I will deeply study all your previous comments and apply it to sak_mse.

Re-many thanks.

Fre;D

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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] iassistiveclientgrid and cek_enter ?

[Martin Schreiber]

On Tuesday 22 December 2015 13:25:39 Fred van Stappen wrote:
> > Please show more code.
>
> Hello Martin.
>
> Maybe I use a obsolete way but it works perfectly.
> For example, for Ttabbar =>
>
>  if (Sender is Ttabbar) then
>Result := 'tabbar, ' + Ttabbar(Sender).name + ', ' +
>Ttabbar(Sender).tabs[ttabbar(Sender).activetag-1].caption
>
> Works like wanted ;-).
>
The question is why sender.getassistivecaption() produces a compile error for 
you.
 
> Here the complete code to get the name of a widget.
> Each assistive event has that code, for example =>
>
> procedure TSAK.clientmouseevent(const sender: iassistiveclient;
>const info: mouseeventinfoty);
>   begin
>   if WhatName(Sender.getinstance) <> '' then
>   begin
> ...
>
Why don't you use
"
var
 mstr1: msestring;
...
 mstr1:= sender.getassistivecaption();
 if mstr1 = '' then begin
  mstr1:= sender.getassistivename();
 end;
"
Info about the widget category could be embedded into the result of 
iassistiveclient.getassistiveflags(). Are there no standards?

>
> But there is a mystery about tab...
>
> In MSEide, in sourceform it uses tab for each opened source. (vertical list
> of tab on right size of form).
>
> Sadly, at mousemove, it is not recognized as ttabpage nor ttab nor
> ttabwidget nor ttabbar with WhatName(sender) but as "Unknown" with the
> correct caption.
>
The tabs are an embedded tcustomtabbar without widgetstate ws_iswidget which 
does not get iassisttiveserver.clientmouseevent() currently, but 
doitementer() is sent.
git master a8e9a2545e88b69af73baf3d4f4e84f5aec5cef7 sends 
iassisttiveserver.clientmouseevent() for embedded widgets too.

> What widget is it ?
>
"tcustomtabbar".

> Is it possible to retrieve the class name of a component (or maybe there
> are no class-name for component in MSE). Or do you have a idea how to know
> what type of component is the sender ?
>
"tobject.classname()" returns the classname.

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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] iassistiveclientgrid and cek_enter ?

[Fred van Stappen]

> Please use sender.getassistivehint() instead. The interface iassistiveclient 
> ("sender") should provide all you need.

=>  if (Sender is ttoolbar) then
   Result := 'tool bar, ' + Sender.getassistivehint()

=> error => sak_mse.pas(535,39) Error: identifier idents no member 
"getassistivehint"
_

PS: => if (Sender is ttoolbar) then
Result := 'tool bar, ' + ttoolbar(Sender).getassistivehint()

  => works like charm.

Fre;D
 
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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] iassistiveclientgrid and cek_enter ?

[Martin Schreiber]

On Monday 21 December 2015 17:30:49 Fred van Stappen wrote:
> > Please use sender.getassistivehint() instead. The interface
> > iassistiveclient ("sender") should provide all you need.
>
> =>  if (Sender is ttoolbar) then
>Result := 'tool bar, ' + Sender.getassistivehint()
>
> => error => sak_mse.pas(535,39) Error: identifier idents no member
> "getassistivehint" _
>
That works in assistivemonitor:
"
procedure tmainfo.showvalues(const sender: iassistiveclient);
var
 dataintf: iifidatalink;
 valueprop: ppropinfo;
 flags: assistiveflagsty;
 rea1: real;
begin
 flags:= sender.getassistiveflags();
 assistivename.value:= sender.getassistivename();
 assistivecaption.value:= sender.getassistivecaption();
 assistivetext.value:= sender.getassistivetext();
 assistivehint.value:= sender.getassistivehint();
 assistivecaretindex.value:= sender.getassistivecaretindex();
...
procedure tassistivemonitor.doitementer(const sender: iassistiveclient;
   const items: shapeinfoarty; const aindex: integer);
begin
 mainfo.showvalues(sender);
 track('',sender,inttostrmse(aindex));
end;
"
Please show more code.

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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] iassistiveclientgrid and cek_enter ?

[Fred van Stappen]

> > > Can't you use iassistiveserver.doitementer()?
> >
> > For Ttoolbar? No, I did not try it.
> > I will try it asap.

Hello Martin.

For TToolbar I have lot of luck with tcustomtoolbar.getassistivehint() ;-)

This is used successfully =>

if (Sender is ttoolbar) then
Result := 'tool bar, ' + ttoolbar(Sender).getassistivehint()

But with last MSE commit there is that error while compiling.

=> error => "no indent for getassistivehint()"

The trick was to:

=> transfered from "protected" => to "public" and it works. ;-)

But maybe there was a reason to make getassistivehint() protected...

PS: Problem to retrieve special key (like "Enter", "left", "F10", "Shift", ...) 
in TWidgetGrid solved. ;-)

Thanks.

Fre;D

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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] iassistiveclientgrid and cek_enter ?

[Martin Schreiber]

On Monday 21 December 2015 17:08:43 Fred van Stappen wrote:
> > > > Can't you use iassistiveserver.doitementer()?
> > >
> > > For Ttoolbar? No, I did not try it.
> > > I will try it asap.
>
> Hello Martin.
>
> For TToolbar I have lot of luck with tcustomtoolbar.getassistivehint() ;-)
>
> This is used successfully =>
>
> if (Sender is ttoolbar) then
> Result := 'tool bar, ' + ttoolbar(Sender).getassistivehint()
>
Please use sender.getassistivehint() instead. The interface iassistiveclient 
("sender") should provide all you need.

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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] iassistiveclientgrid and cek_enter ?

[Fred van Stappen]

> > I cannot make tabs assisted, I cannot find a way to make him say, when a
> > tab has changed => "tab the_file.pas focused" for example...

Excellent, many thanks.

By the way, tested yesterday (long) night => sender.getassistivecaretindex() 
for TWidgetGrid.
Perfect, it works now. And to get the character typed =>
...
char_typed:= sender.getassistivecelltext(info.cell);
char_typed := char_typed[sender.getassistivecaretindex()];
...
=> result for assistive-TWidgetGrid => like TMemoEdit => 2x voices (one say the 
character, other the word). => perfect.

I did not find how to get the key pressed (for example "left", "right", "up", 
"down") so I use  sender.getassistivecaretindex() for "left", "right" compare 
it with the earlier character entered (> or <).
For "up" and "down", I use info.cell.row and compare it too to with earlier 
character entered.

PS: If you have a other idea, i am open ;-)

Martin I am really happy that we did it, till the end,  totally and efficient.

I will make tab assisted this we and after that, we may say that msegui is 
totally and perfectly assisted.

Many thanks Martin.

I re-test all this we and hope to give you the final commit before Xmas.

Fre;D
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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] iassistiveclientgrid and cek_enter ?

[Martin Schreiber]

On Saturday 19 December 2015 13:18:34 Fred van Stappen wrote:
> > > I cannot make tabs assisted, I cannot find a way to make him say, when
> > > a tab has changed => "tab the_file.pas focused" for example...
>
> Excellent, many thanks.
>
> By the way, tested yesterday (long) night =>
> sender.getassistivecaretindex() for TWidgetGrid. Perfect, it works now. And
> to get the character typed =>
> ...
> char_typed:= sender.getassistivecelltext(info.cell);
> char_typed := char_typed[sender.getassistivecaretindex()];
> ...
There should be an iassistiveserver.dokeydown() call from the active cell 
widget (not from twidgetgrid!). Do you receive that event?

> => result for assistive-TWidgetGrid => like TMemoEdit => 2x voices (one say
> the character, other the word). => perfect.
>
> I did not find how to get the key pressed (for example "left", "right",
> "up", "down") so I use  sender.getassistivecaretindex() for "left", "right"
> compare it with the earlier character entered (> or <). For "up" and
> "down", I use info.cell.row and compare it too to with earlier character
> entered.
>
These keys also are sent by the active cell widget. Please check 
the "asf_gridcell" flag from "iassistiveclient.getassistiveflags()" in order 
to see if a widget is embedded in a twidgetgrid, please see the updated demo.

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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] iassistiveclientgrid and cek_enter ?

[Fred van Stappen]

> That will not work in translated applications. What is necessary is a 
> dedicated 'assistivename' property. Another at least 8 bytes in every twidget 
> instance...

Huh, yes, other assisted-widgetset have "assistive_description" => very useful 
for images

and "assistive_enabled" so you may assign or not assistive for each widget.

Fre;D
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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] iassistiveclientgrid and cek_enter ?

[Fred van Stappen]

> > Subsidiary other question, how to have a flat look (no borders) for TButton
> > ?
> Please activate "frame" and "frame.optionsskin" "fso_flat".

Ooops, too simple for me ;-)

Other thing...

I cannot make tabs assisted, I cannot find a way to make him say, when a tab 
has changed => "tab the_file.pas focused" for example...

A example in your assistive monitor will be welcome.

Many thanks.

Fre;D


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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] iassistiveclientgrid and cek_enter ?

[Martin Schreiber]

On Friday 18 December 2015 15:26:39 Fred van Stappen wrote:
> > > or what index-button has receive a mouse event ?
> >
> > Can't you use iassistiveserver.doitementer()?
>
> For Ttoolbar? No, I did not try it.
> I will try it asap.
>
> Martin, all my comments about mse-assistive want to be positive.
> It is not criticism, it is to make it better.
>
Sure, no problem. Maybe you remember, when we started with "iassisitiveclient" 
it was nearly empty and I explicitely asked you what functions and procedures 
you need in "iassistiveclient" and "iassistiveserver".

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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] iassistiveclientgrid and cek_enter ?

[Fred van Stappen]

> > or what index-button has receive a mouse event ? 
> >
> Can't you use iassistiveserver.doitementer()?

For Ttoolbar? No, I did not try it.
I will try it asap.

Martin, all my comments about mse-assistive want to be positive.
It is not criticism, it is to make it better. 

Your assistive-interface is wonderful and it has already things that other 
widgetset do not have (for example onmousemove for menus-items).

I know that it was lot of work but, trust me, assistive is a must for high 
quality widgetset like msegui.

Your assistive-interface is nearly perfect.

Now, the work of sak or others is to use well your assitive.interface.

Fre;D

 
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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] iassistiveclientgrid and cek_enter ?

[Martin Schreiber]

On Thursday 17 December 2015 15:30:12 Fred van Stappen wrote:
> > > Now MSEide is totally assisted, even for source editor and MSEdesigner
> > > and fpGUIdesigner.
> >
> > Congrats!
>
> Thanks for the thanks. ;-
>
> All is assisted, even the debugger form.
> I did not find a way to make Ttoolbar assistive.

Please use iassistiveclient.getassistivehint(), see the updated assistive 
monitor demo.
>
> Does it exist a way to be advised when a new commit was gone in MSEide,
> like receiving a mail for each commit ?
>
If you are registered at GitLab you can subscribe a live feed.

Martin

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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] iassistiveclientgrid and cek_enter ?

[Fred van Stappen]

> > All is assisted, even the debugger form.
> > I did not find a way to make Ttoolbar assistive.

Ooops, wow, perfect.

So MSEide is completely assistive too, even for component-tablet  ;-)

Hum, maybe, if you agree, I propose to change only very, very few things in 
MSEide code.

For all TWidgetgrid (in sourceform.pas and all other units that uses it), there 
is always the same name : 'grid'.

I would propose, for sourceform.pas that you rename it to => source_editor.
It can be done very easy => with replace-command: "grid." into "source_editor".

Feel free to re-name message-grid too.

So, assistive will call it by his real name (and not "grid").

> If you are registered at GitLab you can subscribe a live feed.

Ha, ok, perfect.

Many thanks Martin.

Fre;D
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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] iassistiveclientgrid and cek_enter ?

[Martin Schreiber]

On Thursday 17 December 2015 23:07:09 Fred van Stappen wrote:
> Hum, maybe, if you agree, I propose to change only very, very few things in
> MSEide code.
>
> For all TWidgetgrid (in sourceform.pas and all other units that uses it),
> there is always the same name : 'grid'.
>
> I would propose, for sourceform.pas that you rename it to => source_editor.
> It can be done very easy => with replace-command: "grid." into
> "source_editor".
>
> Feel free to re-name message-grid too.
>
> So, assistive will call it by his real name (and not "grid").

That will not work in translated applications. What is necessary is a 
dedicated 'assistivename' property. Another at least 8 bytes in every twidget 
instance...

Martin

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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] iassistiveclientgrid and cek_enter ?

[Martin Schreiber]

On Friday 18 December 2015 01:45:16 Fred van Stappen wrote:
> > > All is assisted, even the debugger form.
> > > I did not find a way to make Ttoolbar assistive.
> >
> > Please use iassistiveclient.getassistivehint(), see the updated assistive
> > monitor demo.
>
> Ok to get the hint-text => thanks, but how to get the name of one of the
> buttons clicked,

ttoolbar items have no names.

> or what index-button has receive a mouse event ? 
>
Can't you use iassistiveserver.doitementer()?

> I think that maybe, like you said when we begin sak_mse, that Ttoolbar is
> not or very difficult to be assisted.
>
> By the way, you can have the same result with a array of buttons.
>
> Subsidiary other question, how to have a flat look (no borders) for TButton
> ?
Please activate "frame" and "frame.optionsskin" "fso_flat".

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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] iassistiveclientgrid and cek_enter ?

[Fred van Stappen]

> > All is assisted, even the debugger form.
> > I did not find a way to make Ttoolbar assistive.
> 
> Please use iassistiveclient.getassistivehint(), see the updated assistive 
> monitor demo.

Ok to get the hint-text => thanks, but how to get the name of one of the 
buttons clicked, or what index-button has receive a mouse event ?

I think that maybe, like you said when we begin sak_mse, that Ttoolbar is not 
or very difficult to be assisted.

By the way, you can have the same result with a array of buttons.

Subsidiary other question, how to have a flat look (no borders) for TButton ?

Thanks.

Fre;D 

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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] iassistiveclientgrid and cek_enter ?

[Martin Schreiber]

On Thursday 17 December 2015 03:54:35 Fred van Stappen wrote:
> > Sadly, there is a problem with "cek_enter".
>
> Ok, solved, => msegridsglob was missing in  second "uses" ( I agree it was
> well hidden ;-) ).
>
> Now MSEide is totally assisted, even for source editor and MSEdesigner and
> fpGUIdesigner.
>
Congrats!

Martin

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Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] iassistiveclientgrid and cek_enter ?

[Fred van Stappen]

> Sadly, there is a problem with "cek_enter".

Ok, solved, => msegridsglob was missing in  second "uses" ( I agree it was well 
hidden ;-) ).

Now MSEide is totally assisted, even for source editor and MSEdesigner and 
fpGUIdesigner.

In my humble opinion, the result is WOW x 1000

Many thanks Martin.

Fre;D
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