Re: The American tragedy... [off topic]
That is why I am an anarchist.. I would not want anything to do with any of those systems that can make family fathers become kamikaze mass murderers. I would not call myself an anarchist because of the negative sound this name has (and the mis-use of the term anarchism on a very frequent basis), but I have read a lot about anarchism. I'd like to call myself a 'vrije socalist' (dutch.. transl: Free Socialist) which is the same term Ferdinand Domela Nieuwenhuis used. About America: Indeed the terrorists who did this were probably driven by a blind convinction that they are doing the right thing. And they were absolutely not a bunch of losers but a team of fearless professionals. Greetz, Sander -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
Re: The American tragedy... [off topic]
I think you're confusing terms fearless and mentally retarded. Sort of like when suicidal people jump off buildings. You don't call them fearless. You can call them a lot of things, including weak-willed, egotistical, at the end of one's rope, but not fearless. There's a point in time when people's minds stop functioning properly. I believe that was what happened to the hijackers. As far as calling them professionals, I agree. They certainly knew what they were doing. - Original Message - From: Sander Zuidema [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 6:02 AM Subject: Re: The American tragedy... [off topic] That is why I am an anarchist.. I would not want anything to do with any of those systems that can make family fathers become kamikaze mass murderers. I would not call myself an anarchist because of the negative sound this name has (and the mis-use of the term anarchism on a very frequent basis), but I have read a lot about anarchism. I'd like to call myself a 'vrije socalist' (dutch.. transl: Free Socialist) which is the same term Ferdinand Domela Nieuwenhuis used. About America: Indeed the terrorists who did this were probably driven by a blind convinction that they are doing the right thing. And they were absolutely not a bunch of losers but a team of fearless professionals. Greetz, Sander -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
Re: The American tragedy... [off topic]
Well, you are a loser if you let religion control your actions. This is not just with regard to islam, it's also very applicable to christianity, if you remember the crusades, and the drowning of little children. No one ever said that America's been correct 100% of the time. But though I do not condone Hiroshima/Nagasaki, it was an act of retaliation against the bombing of Pearl Harbor. By then there was a full-blown war going on. I don't see any ongoing wars on right now (at least not just yet). - Original Message - From: adisak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Akop Karapetyan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 3:55 AM Subject: RE: The American tragedy... [off topic] The problem is that they are NOT a bunch of losers, but can be regarded men even with high status. They are not desperate lunatics, but fanatics who believes they are doing the right thing! When your religion points out America as the big evil through all your life, you begin believing it, and when you are promised 70 virgins after this life, and your family will be given financial security when you are dead, you get brainwashed into believing you are doing the right thing. I am not defending this horrible act, but just arguing the point that they are a bunch of losers. Just remember what a bunch of American losers have done through the time.. Hiroshima, Nagasaki, raping women and children, skinning koreans alive in the Korean wars, using napalm on children and so on.. The problem lies in the systems, and be sure there are more people who would do such things for their country or their religion than you`d believe in your worst nightmare. That is why I am an anarchist.. I would not want anything to do with any of those systems that can make family fathers become kamikaze mass murderers. I am sorry for the loss of sivilan lives in any country, regardless of what their government believes. Lets not forget that Israel is moving in to Palistinian territory right now. -Dan = Original Message From Akop Karapetyan [EMAIL PROTECTED] = I personally wonder how someone could let a bunch of losers with plastic knives and boxcutters on a plane. Also, knowing how weak boxcutters are (worst they can inflict is a flesh wound), I'm surprised the lot of people on the plane did nothing to stop the hijacking. Overall, I agree that there was no way attack on the twin towers could've been avoided. But allowing the hijacking to occur was just because of plain stupidity. Sorry for posting off-topic stuff =) - Original Message - From: Sander Zuidema [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 3:16 PM Subject: The American tragedy... [off topic] The problem is these terrorists have proven that it is possible to strike anywhere, anytime. Now I'm not exactly pro-america, and even not pro-kapitalism and 'democracy'. (But lets talk about that later). The people who created these insane plans must never get any power of any kind, and should not be able to strike as hard as this again... /me is going to watch some more CNN. Greetz, Sander Zuidema -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
Re: The American tragedy... [off topic]
Well, you are a loser if you let religion control your actions. This is not just with regard to islam, it's also very applicable to christianity, if you remember the crusades, and the drowning of little children. No one ever said that America's been correct 100% of the time. But though I do not condone Hiroshima/Nagasaki, it was an act of retaliation against the bombing of Pearl Harbor. By then there was a full-blown war going on. I don't see any ongoing wars on right now (at least not just yet). - Original Message - From: adisak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Akop Karapetyan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 3:55 AM Subject: RE: The American tragedy... [off topic] The problem is that they are NOT a bunch of losers, but can be regarded men even with high status. They are not desperate lunatics, but fanatics who believes they are doing the right thing! When your religion points out America as the big evil through all your life, you begin believing it, and when you are promised 70 virgins after this life, and your family will be given financial security when you are dead, you get brainwashed into believing you are doing the right thing. I am not defending this horrible act, but just arguing the point that they are a bunch of losers. Just remember what a bunch of American losers have done through the time.. Hiroshima, Nagasaki, raping women and children, skinning koreans alive in the Korean wars, using napalm on children and so on.. The problem lies in the systems, and be sure there are more people who would do such things for their country or their religion than you`d believe in your worst nightmare. That is why I am an anarchist.. I would not want anything to do with any of those systems that can make family fathers become kamikaze mass murderers. I am sorry for the loss of sivilan lives in any country, regardless of what their government believes. Lets not forget that Israel is moving in to Palistinian territory right now. -Dan = Original Message From Akop Karapetyan [EMAIL PROTECTED] = I personally wonder how someone could let a bunch of losers with plastic knives and boxcutters on a plane. Also, knowing how weak boxcutters are (worst they can inflict is a flesh wound), I'm surprised the lot of people on the plane did nothing to stop the hijacking. Overall, I agree that there was no way attack on the twin towers could've been avoided. But allowing the hijacking to occur was just because of plain stupidity. Sorry for posting off-topic stuff =) - Original Message - From: Sander Zuidema [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 3:16 PM Subject: The American tragedy... [off topic] The problem is these terrorists have proven that it is possible to strike anywhere, anytime. Now I'm not exactly pro-america, and even not pro-kapitalism and 'democracy'. (But lets talk about that later). The people who created these insane plans must never get any power of any kind, and should not be able to strike as hard as this again... /me is going to watch some more CNN. Greetz, Sander Zuidema -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
The American tragedy... [off topic]
The problem is these terrorists have proven that it is possible to strike anywhere, anytime. Now I'm not exactly pro-america, and even not pro-kapitalism and 'democracy'. (But lets talk about that later). The people who created these insane plans must never get any power of any kind, and should not be able to strike as hard as this again... /me is going to watch some more CNN. Greetz, Sander Zuidema -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
Re: The American tragedy... [off topic]
I personally wonder how someone could let a bunch of losers with plastic knives and boxcutters on a plane. Also, knowing how weak boxcutters are (worst they can inflict is a flesh wound), I'm surprised the lot of people on the plane did nothing to stop the hijacking. Overall, I agree that there was no way attack on the twin towers could've been avoided. But allowing the hijacking to occur was just because of plain stupidity. Sorry for posting off-topic stuff =) - Original Message - From: Sander Zuidema [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 3:16 PM Subject: The American tragedy... [off topic] The problem is these terrorists have proven that it is possible to strike anywhere, anytime. Now I'm not exactly pro-america, and even not pro-kapitalism and 'democracy'. (But lets talk about that later). The people who created these insane plans must never get any power of any kind, and should not be able to strike as hard as this again... /me is going to watch some more CNN. Greetz, Sander Zuidema -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
