z380 / Wios / gfx9000
Hi! I have a couple of questions... 1. I saw an old news posting that said that the LPE-380 card could already run several Konami games. Does anyone know how to do this? (Rom-loader) 2. I have seen a raytracer or something for Wios. Does anyone have this program? Or any other Wios program? (I have only got the CLOCK app) 3. Could anyone make a jpg viewer for gfx-9000? Would be most appreciable :) -Dan Derpaux -- For info, see http://www.stack.nl/~wynke/MSX/listinfo.html
Re: WIOS hp
At 21:07 17-7-00 +, you wrote: > Well, a friend of mine had bought a GFX9K too, and I got it to > develop >some tests... But what was my surprise when I could not put it working with >my Philips RGB monitor. I´ve got the same problem as Daniel: an out-of-sync >image. And I was wondering about buying one 4 me, but I wasn´t satisfied >with the results, and forgot it. Weird, I have one on my Philips VS-0080 and it work perfrectly. GreeTz, BiFi Visit my Home Page at www.bifi.msxnet.org mail me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FTP: ftp.bifi.msxnet.org ICQ #36126979 Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] See also http://www.faq.msxnet.org/
Re: WIOS hp
At 03:51 PM 7/9/00 -0300, you wrote: >On Sun, 9 Jul 2000 20:43:10 +0200, Laurens Holst wrote: > >>I heard there were sold quite a lot. I don't remember correctly anymore, but >>more than 50, maybe 100 if I recall ok. >>By the way, someday, if I have the money and a reason to buy a Gfx9000 (I >>won't buy it unless I've got a great idea for a program :)), I'll surely buy >>it. > > I was with a GFX9K here, from MBT, but I just was not able to make >it work. I didn't work on my PAL-M/NTSC television, neither on my >NTSC/RGB monitor. I tried using it with and without the PAL/NTSC >converter. All I have got was an out-of-sync image. > > I think it should be done RGB out-of-box, and not the european >standard. Or the rejection to it out of europe will be a little >bigger than the expected. I do not want to buy a new board where >I need to change so it can work. > > I thought on buying it, after I bought a MoonSound and it works >great. But after I tried to use GFX9K without sucess, I just >forgot about it. Well, a friend of mine had bought a GFX9K too, and I got it to develop some tests... But what was my surprise when I could not put it working with my Philips RGB monitor. I´ve got the same problem as Daniel: an out-of-sync image. And I was wondering about buying one 4 me, but I wasn´t satisfied with the results, and forgot it. Thankx... Ricardo Jurczyk Pinheiro - ICQ UIN:3635907 - [EMAIL PROTECTED]|_Sola Scriptura | http://i.am/rjp -M.Sc. Numerical Modelling (hope so!) |_ Sola Gratia | UFF - Niteroi - RJ - Brazil - [EMAIL PROTECTED]_| Sola Fide | MSX, ST, B5, X-F, Anime, Christian, Maths, CuD, Linux!_| Solo Cristi | Christian, Rock, Comics, Transformers, and hate M$! | Soli Deo Gloria | Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] See also http://www.faq.msxnet.org/
Re: WIOS hp
> ] Those have nothing to do with MSX2+... At least not the MSX-Music and DOS2. > > MSX-Music was for the first time a MANDATORY music device on MSX2+. So, all > MSX2+ computers and higher have a build-in MSX-Music. This has led to the > broad support of MSX-Music by most companies. Otherwise, MSX-Music would most > probably have stayed a niche-device with only little support. Not all MSX2+ computers had it in them, because it wasn't a required part of the standard. There even is a game (Twinkle Star) which uses the MSX2+ video chip, but will crash your computer when you enter level 2 if you've got a MSX-Music in it. It's really stupid, since the game itself does have MSX-Music music (is that a pleonasm?). But it indicates that the programmer had an MSX2+ computer without MSX-Music. Or maybe he used a Panasonic-only MSX-Music feature (read: the SRAM), which he suspected to be there when an MSX-Music was detected. Anyways, the game doesn't run on my MSX2+ after the first stage. It does on my MSX2 without FM-Stereo-PAK, but the second stage uses the horizontal scroll feature, so it looks like crap on a v9938 (it doesn't check for it, by the way). You know, there is actually one really great shooter which is one of my favorites (I will list it in my top-30): Sea Sardine!!! The only shooter I know which uses the MSX2+-scrolling. It's really awesome. Is the second part ever finished, and if so, where can I get it??? > ] Yeeh!!! But err... smooth horizontal scrolling can't be done on an MSX2 if > ] you still want to do something else (moving one software-sprite can still be > ] done, but more can't). And if you don't want to flip the borders, switch to > ] 50Hz and you've got enough time left to enable the sprites. > > There you are. So, if you want to develop a platform game, a shooter, or > anything else with SMOOTH scrolling, you DO need the MSX 2+. 8-pixel scroll @ v9938, smooth scroll @ v9958. That's the formula. > I think that for example Nemesis or R-Type would have looked much better if > they would have had smooth scroll. Just like space-manbow looks very cool > with its smooth scroll. I agree. But those are games from the MSX1-era... Even screen 5 wasn't there yet. It is impossible to code a smooth horizontal scroll (with colors on the screen) on an MSX1 computer. ~Grauw -- ><< email me: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or ICQ: 10196372 visit my homepage at http://grauw.blehq.org/ ><< MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: WIOS hp
] > >Apart from that, programming for this config is quite easy: standard ] > >MSX2 graphics handling and lots of music tools available. If you want ] > >to develop for e.g. 2+, the only really valuable extra features are: ] > >(and you said so yourself, IIRC) ] > > ] > >- horizontal scroll in HW ] > >- extra colordepth for background graphics. ] > ] > Using the MSX-standard, yes. So the MSX-MUSIC, built-in Kanji or sometimes ] > even DOS2 are ignored. ] ] Those have nothing to do with MSX2+... At least not the MSX-Music and DOS2. MSX-Music was for the first time a MANDATORY music device on MSX2+. So, all MSX2+ computers and higher have a build-in MSX-Music. This has led to the broad support of MSX-Music by most companies. Otherwise, MSX-Music would most probably have stayed a niche-device with only little support. ] Kanji is a bit useless for us European users, and besides I think it was ] already there before the MSX2+ too (how else would the Japanese have to ] enter their characters?) (at the other hand, then why hasn't it been used in ] games before the MSX2+ era?). JIS1 rom with all kanjis was not there. At least, not in the extend as the MSX2+ has it. Ofcourse, the Japanese models did have katakana. But Kanji is not katakana. But I admit that JIS1 (and also JIS2 and MSX-JE) are rather useless for non-Japanese users. ] Yeeh!!! But err... smooth horizontal scrolling can't be done on an MSX2 if ] you still want to do something else (moving one software-sprite can still be ] done, but more can't). And if you don't want to flip the borders, switch to ] 50Hz and you've got enough time left to enable the sprites. There you are. So, if you want to develop a platform game, a shooter, or anything else with SMOOTH scrolling, you DO need the MSX 2+. I think that for example Nemesis or R-Type would have looked much better if they would have had smooth scroll. Just like space-manbow looks very cool with its smooth scroll. Kind regards, Alex Wulms -- Visit The MSX Plaza (http://www.inter.nl.net/users/A.P.Wulms) for info on XelaSoft, Merlasoft, Quadrivium, XSA Disk images, the MSX Hardware list, SD-Snatcher on fMSX, documentation and lots more. MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: WIOS hp
> >Apart from that, programming for this config is quite easy: standard > >MSX2 graphics handling and lots of music tools available. If you want > >to develop for e.g. 2+, the only really valuable extra features are: > >(and you said so yourself, IIRC) > > > >- horizontal scroll in HW > >- extra colordepth for background graphics. > > Using the MSX-standard, yes. So the MSX-MUSIC, built-in Kanji or sometimes > even DOS2 are ignored. Those have nothing to do with MSX2+... At least not the MSX-Music and DOS2. Kanji is a bit useless for us European users, and besides I think it was already there before the MSX2+ too (how else would the Japanese have to enter their characters?) (at the other hand, then why hasn't it been used in games before the MSX2+ era?). > >IMHO, most games and other apps can do without the HW horizontal scroll > >and the value of extra colordepth is killed by the fact that it's a b*tch > >to program, right? Ye (bummer!). It's actually only really useful for intro-images. By the way, does anyone know who was working on M-Kid??? If you try to get the M-Kid source, then I will try to get the TIMMM source. Okay??? > Right, but if you've got a game with a smooth horizontal scroll, would you > prefer the shocky edges at left and right without overlaying sprites (to > prevent the flashing sprites) or would you like the game to use the > hardware scroll when V9958 was detected? Two advantages: > > 1. You can do more with code, as the scrolling part itself is done by hardware And coding the scrolling part is fun. > 2. The shocky edges are gone so even without sprites you will need to use > for your game Yeeh!!! But err... smooth horizontal scrolling can't be done on an MSX2 if you still want to do something else (moving one software-sprite can still be done, but more can't). And if you don't want to flip the borders, switch to 50Hz and you've got enough time left to enable the sprites. ~Grauw -- ><< email me: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or ICQ: 10196372 visit my homepage at http://grauw.blehq.org/ ><< MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: WIOS hp
> And please don't use the Dutch phrase "Wij Nederlanders zijn zuinig!", > because if you have heart for MSX, you just need to support these kind of > developments. Well I just haven't got the money for it. If I saved my income for a month, then yes, I could buy it. But MSX is not my life, you know... I've also got other (expensive) interests. So as long as I can't use it for games and I don't have plans to create something myself... ~Grauw -- ><< email me: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or ICQ: 10196372 visit my homepage at http://grauw.blehq.org/ ><< MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: WIOS hp
Maarten ter Huurne wrote: > > Like Parn stated: sound is optional in a game. > Not true for all games. For example Solid Snake, if you never played the > game before, you cannot complete it without sound: tap codes and detecting > weak walls. Someone else must have said that: I agree with Maarten, sound is great to add to a game's immersion. Of course, if it's an MSX game it should have some support for PSG, to those poor folks who don't have MSX-Music or MSX-Audio. :) A sad thing, indeed. <:) []s, -Parn (ICQ#1693182) /| | | |\ \| ___ |/ http://parn.cjb.net/ \/ - \/ Parn's Music Station | | Game Music XMs and more! -- --Izati Aba Mehinam Eto Kafe Nan MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: WIOS hp
Mauricio Braga wrote: > Sorry folks for the last message, it was meant to be private. Don't be sorry: I'd also like to see some screenshots. Someone could make a page about WiOS. I still have little to no idea of what it is and what it is meant for. []s, -Parn (ICQ#1693182) /| | | |\ \| ___ |/ http://parn.cjb.net/ \/ - \/ Parn's Music Station | | Game Music XMs and more! -- --Izati Aba Mehinam Eto Kafe Nan MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: WIOS hp
Sorry folks for the last message, it was meant to be private. []s Mauricio Braga. MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: WIOS hp
Hi Albert: I spoke with you about WiOS and GFX9000 some days ago. Can you send to me some pictures of WiOS running by e-mail? I never saw it running. Thanks. []s Mauricio Braga. MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: WIOS hp
On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > IMHO, most games and other apps can do without the HW horizontal scroll Well, MSX2 games are designed to work around the lack of HW horizontal scroll. I don't think there is any SCREEN5 game with horizontal smooth scroll. Games use either vertical scroll or smooth scroll in SCREEN4 (Space Manbow, Psycho World) or non-smooth scroll (Ys 3). Laurens got close to an engine that could do horizontal scroll (as well as vertical), but it turned out too slow. > and the value of extra colordepth is killed by the fact that it's a b*tch > to program, right? The real problem is not in the programming, but in the drawing. It was attempted by Abyss (M-Kid), but that was never finished. > Like Parn stated: sound is optional in a game. Not true for all games. For example Solid Snake, if you never played the game before, you cannot complete it without sound: tap codes and detecting weak walls. > The image of the Gfx9000 is completely separated from the image of the > V99x8 of your MSX so you either need an extra monitor, or an RGB-switch: > extra hardware - extra hassle. If the Gfx9000 would have been designed > differently (I'm not saying *better*!), so you could superimpose the > V9990 image on the V99x8 image or vice versa, I think it woudl have been > much more appreciated... The GFX9000 prototypes did have superimpose. But the picture quality was too poor (shaking by about one pixel width), so Sunrise decided to drop superimpose. Bye, Maarten MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: WIOS hp
BiFi wrote: [/me wrote: ppl write 4 MSX2, 'cause that's where the user base is] > I thought MSX was out of commerce these days, because this is > more like commerce. No, it's like reward for your effort. Get real: you wouldn't program for MSX if you couldn't show it off to at least one other person :-) [/me: MSX2+ only offers: more colors & horizontal scroll in HW] >Using the MSX-standard, yes. So the MSX-MUSIC, built-in Kanji or sometimes >even DOS2 are ignored. MSX-MUSIC was included in the 'standard' config you wrote down (remember: MSX2 + 'FM-PAC' + 'MusciModule'), so that not a real extra MSX2+ offers. I personally don't see any extra value in using Kanji, which I can't read anyways. About DOS2: that's not part of the MSX2+ standard, but you're right ppl could use that a lot more. But then again: *requiring* DOS2 again makes your user base smaller... [/me: most games can do without HW hor. scroll and the 2+ screens are a bitch to program] >Right, but if you've got a game with a smooth horizontal scroll, would you >prefer the shocky edges at left and right without overlaying sprites (to >prevent the flashing sprites) or would you like the game to use the >hardware scroll when V9958 was detected? Of course I would! And I guess that programmers who write for 2+ will use this feature: no extra effort... [Gfx9000: /me: "I'm not a happy owner"] >Are you an owner who is not happy with his purchase or just someone who >doesn't have it? I don't have it :-/ But I doubt I would be happier having one ;-) >You usually write a program directly for that VDP. Exactly: and if you have the choice of programming for the 9938 (large user base) or the V9990 (2 ppl (*)), which one would you choose? I'd take the good old '38 - not just because I dont' have a V9990 (I do have the tech book somewhere), but because then I'll get more ppl to use/play my prog/game. Given time, I would even build it so it woudl use V9990 when present and fall back on standard '38 if not... (*) Ok - little bit exaggerated ;-) >At the moment, there are some programming tools (like GBASIC) which enable >very simple use of Gfx9000 and sometimes even Video9000 digitizing/ >superimposing. GBASIC is fun for a starter, just like MSX-BASIC. If you want to write *real* applications/programs you'll want to switch to assember, Pascal or C and I haven't seen libraries for any of those, yet. >The problem is IMHO, today's MSX-programmers are or too lazy or too busy >to do something for the V9990, because they lack the knowledge or the means >the Gfx9000 for example). That's the most probable cause, I guess. I recognize this :-) At the moment I have tons of ideas and half-started MSX projects but ab-so-lute-ly *no* time to do anything :-( > Use SCREEN 5 or SCREEN 7 pictures the SCREEN 1 way... Is that your definition of better graphics? Hm... > What could be better than that? 512x424 (640x480?) graphics with a 256 color palette - colors in the palette to choose from (8,8,8)-RGB cube and at least 8 video pages available. Including hardware PNG (de)coder to speed up loading/saving :-) Ciao, Eric BTW: When's "Bussum"? I'll need some MSX-therapy one of these months... MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: WIOS hp
At 15:32 10-7-00 +0200, you wrote:
> > But still, why is Europe (and other parts of the world) so fixated on
> > MSX 2, with MSX-MUSIC and MSX-AUDIO then?
>
>because that's the most frequently appearing configuration, at least
>in Europe, AFAIK! in other words: there's the largest user-base.
>The more you deviate form this user-base, the smaller chances will be
>that anyone else but yourself will be playing your game, using your tool
>etc...
I thought MSX was out of commerce these days, because this is more like
commerce.
>Apart from that, programming for this config is quite easy: standard
>MSX2 graphics handling and lots of music tools available. If you want
>to develop for e.g. 2+, the only really valuable extra features are:
>(and you said so yourself, IIRC)
>
>- horizontal scroll in HW
>- extra colordepth for background graphics.
Using the MSX-standard, yes. So the MSX-MUSIC, built-in Kanji or sometimes
even DOS2 are ignored.
>IMHO, most games and other apps can do without the HW horizontal scroll
>and the value of extra colordepth is killed by the fact that it's a b*tch
>to program, right?
Right, but if you've got a game with a smooth horizontal scroll, would you
prefer the shocky edges at left and right without overlaying sprites (to
prevent the flashing sprites) or would you like the game to use the
hardware scroll when V9958 was detected? Two advantages:
1. You can do more with code, as the scrolling part itself is done by hardware
2. The shocky edges are gone so even without sprites you will need to use
for your game
So nothing about the extra colordepth here.
> > but when it comes to
> >video extensions (digitize and superimpose for V9938, V9958 and V9990 and
> >just MSX2+ features and Gfx9000) is hardly used.
>
>
>digitizing/superimposing: Name more than 2 useful applications for it.
> Especially: name a useful application of these features in a game ;-)
> ('cause 90% of the applications programmed for MSX are games...)
Okay, digitizing/superimposing was a bit over the top, but many programmers
just don't use the MSX 2+, Turbo R and Gfx9000 features. It's a shame really.
>V9958/MSX2+ features: see above
>
>Gfx9000: I'm not a happy owner :-( My guess is: you can't add V9990 features
>to your program as additional stuff, like you can do with music extensions.
>You'll have to rewrite your game/util/whatever for it, meaning more effort.
>Another thing is IMHO, this:
Are you an owner who is not happy with his purchase or just someone who
doesn't have it? You usually write a program directly for that VDP. At the
moment, there are some programming tools (like GBASIC) which enable very
simple use of Gfx9000 and sometimes even Video9000
digitizing/superimposing. The problem is IMHO, today's MSX-programmers are
or too lazy or too busy to do something for the V9990, because they lack
the knowledge or the means (the Gfx9000 for example).
>The image of the Gfx9000 is completely separated from the image of the V99x8
>of your MSX so you either need an extra monitor, or an RGB-switch: extra
>hardware - extra hassle. If the Gfx9000 would have been designed differently
>(I'm not saying *better*!), so you could superimpose the V9990 image on the
>V99x8 image or vice versa, I think it woudl have been much more appreciated...
Well, maybe you can't ADD it, but you can surely use it to make your game
better by using a higher resolution for example. The speed the V9990 uses
to complete commands won't make any difference. Use SCREEN 5 or SCREEN 7
pictures the SCREEN 1 way... What could be better than that?
Initially Gfx9000 has superimpose (it still has), but because of missing
GEN-locker Sunrise decided to just not use it by not distributing the cable
for superimpose with it. Video9000 handles superimpose correctly but I
agree it's a bit too expensive just to play a game for Gfx9000 without the
need to switch connectors or a second monitor.
>Just my 2cents,
You know cents are enstinct (hmm... dictionary isn't within arms length) :)
GreeTz, BiFi
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Re: WIOS hp
BiFi wrote:
> But still, why is Europe (and other parts of the world) so fixated on
> MSX 2, with MSX-MUSIC and MSX-AUDIO then?
because that's the most frequently appearing configuration, at least
in Europe, AFAIK! in other words: there's the largest user-base.
The more you deviate form this user-base, the smaller chances will be
that anyone else but yourself will be playing your game, using your tool
etc...
Apart from that, programming for this config is quite easy: standard
MSX2 graphics handling and lots of music tools available. If you want
to develop for e.g. 2+, the only really valuable extra features are:
(and you said so yourself, IIRC)
- horizontal scroll in HW
- extra colordepth for background graphics.
IMHO, most games and other apps can do without the HW horizontal scroll
and the value of extra colordepth is killed by the fact that it's a b*tch
to program, right?
>Sometimes (not THAT frequently) SIMPL/Covox is used and MoonSound is
>used more and more these days, but that's really it. What do people have
>with sound-extensions these days? Many of them are used,
Like Parn stated: sound is optional in a game. You can add support for
MoonSound, but your game can run perfectly without it - same for SIMPL/Covox.
And including support for additional hardware like this is quite easy.
> but when it comes to
>video extensions (digitize and superimpose for V9938, V9958 and V9990 and
>just MSX2+ features and Gfx9000) is hardly used.
digitizing/superimposing: Name more than 2 useful applications for it.
Especially: name a useful application of these features in a game ;-)
('cause 90% of the applications programmed for MSX are games...)
V9958/MSX2+ features: see above
Gfx9000: I'm not a happy owner :-( My guess is: you can't add V9990 features
to your program as additional stuff, like you can do with music extensions.
You'll have to rewrite your game/util/whatever for it, meaning more effort.
Another thing is IMHO, this:
The image of the Gfx9000 is completely separated from the image of the V99x8
of your MSX so you either need an extra monitor, or an RGB-switch: extra
hardware - extra hassle. If the Gfx9000 would have been designed differently
(I'm not saying *better*!), so you could superimpose the V9990 image on the
V99x8 image or vice versa, I think it woudl have been much more appreciated...
Just my 2cents,
Eric
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Re: WIOS hp
On Mon, 10 Jul 2000 08:34:02 +0200, Albert Beevendorp wrote: >>Panasonic has sold over 200.000 MSX turbo R's. And Sony, Panasonic and the >>others have sold a few million MSX 2+ systems. Yet, both the 2+ extensions >>and the MSX turbo R extensions are hardly used by any software. >The it's about time we're gonna make much more for MSX 2+ and MSX turbo R. >However, the only extension I know of for the MSX 2+ is just the new VDP >(so YJK-pictures and hardware horizontal scroll should be used more often >when detected. Screen 10 is great for games with little background changes. >You're right about that. But still, why is Europe (and other parts of the >world) so fixated on MSX 2, with MSX-MUSIC and MSX-AUDIO then? Sometimes >(not THAT frequently) SIMPL/Covox is used and MoonSound is used more and >more these days, but that's really it. What do people have with >sound-extensions these days? Many of them are used, but when it comes to >video extensions (digitize and superimpose for V9938, V9958 and V9990 and >just MSX2+ features and Gfx9000) is hardly used. This is because it's possible play a game without sound... but it's not play it without image! (-: - AbraçOS/2, Daniel Caetano ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) /| | | |\ \| ___ |/ OS/2 Sites: http://www.quasarbbs.com/daniel/ \/ - \/ http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/8752/os2hp/os2index.html | | MSX Sites: http://www.fudeba.cjb.net/ -- -- Drawings:http://www.djgallery.tsx.org/ ...Programar e' a arte de organizar zeros e uns de forma que eles produzam trabalho util! MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: WIOS hp
At 00:00 10-7-00 +0200, you wrote: >] At 21:50 9-7-00 +0100, you wrote: >] >On 9 Jul 2000 20:44:01 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Laurens Holst) wrote: >] > > I heard there were sold quite a lot. I don't remember correctly >] > anymore, but >] > > more than 50, maybe 100 if I recall ok. >] > > >] >We sell about 200 GFX9000 >] >] Don't you think it's a bit strange so many have been sold already, but >] still so little programs that actually use it? >Panasonic has sold over 200.000 MSX turbo R's. And Sony, Panasonic and the >others have sold a few million MSX 2+ systems. Yet, both the 2+ extensions >and the MSX turbo R extensions are hardly used by any software. The it's about time we're gonna make much more for MSX 2+ and MSX turbo R. However, the only extension I know of for the MSX 2+ is just the new VDP (so YJK-pictures and hardware horizontal scroll should be used more often when detected. >Do you really believe that that will be different for a hardware extension of >which a mere 200 exemplars where sold? You're right about that. But still, why is Europe (and other parts of the world) so fixated on MSX 2, with MSX-MUSIC and MSX-AUDIO then? Sometimes (not THAT frequently) SIMPL/Covox is used and MoonSound is used more and more these days, but that's really it. What do people have with sound-extensions these days? Many of them are used, but when it comes to video extensions (digitize and superimpose for V9938, V9958 and V9990 and just MSX2+ features and Gfx9000) is hardly used. And please don't use the Dutch phrase "Wij Nederlanders zijn zuinig!", because if you have heart for MSX, you just need to support these kind of developments. GreeTz, BiFi Visit my Home Page at www.bifi.msxnet.org mail me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FTP: ftp.bifi.msxnet.org ICQ #36126979 MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: WIOS hp
] At 21:50 9-7-00 +0100, you wrote: ] >On 9 Jul 2000 20:44:01 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Laurens Holst) wrote: ] > > I heard there were sold quite a lot. I don't remember correctly ] > anymore, but ] > > more than 50, maybe 100 if I recall ok. ] > > ] >We sell about 200 GFX9000 ] ] Don't you think it's a bit strange so many have been sold already, but ] still so little programs that actually use it? Panasonic has sold over 200.000 MSX turbo R's. And Sony, Panasonic and the others have sold a few million MSX 2+ systems. Yet, both the 2+ extensions and the MSX turbo R extensions are hardly used by any software. Do you really believe that that will be different for a hardware extension of which a mere 200 exemplars where sold? Kind regards, Alex Wulms -- Visit The MSX Plaza (http://www.inter.nl.net/users/A.P.Wulms) for info on XelaSoft, Merlasoft, Quadrivium, XSA Disk images, the MSX Hardware list, SD-Snatcher on fMSX, documentation and lots more. MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: WIOS hp
On Sun, 09 Jul 2000, Daniel Jorge Caetano wrote: > I was with a GFX9K here, from MBT, but I just was not able to make > it work. I didn't work on my PAL-M/NTSC television, neither on my > NTSC/RGB monitor. I tried using it with and without the PAL/NTSC > converter. All I have got was an out-of-sync image. > > I think it should be done RGB out-of-box, and not the european > standard. Or the rejection to it out of europe will be a little > bigger than the expected. I do not want to buy a new board where > I need to change so it can work. GFX9000 does output RGB. Takamichi succesfully connected it to a Japanese monitor. What could be the problem is the cable. The European SCART cable uses the same connectors, but different wiring, compared to the Japanese RGB21 cable. If your monitor expects RGB21, then all you have to do is switch some wires in the GFX9000->monitor cable and it will work. Bye, Maarten MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: WIOS hp
> At 21:50 9-7-00 +0100, you wrote: > >On 9 Jul 2000 20:44:01 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Laurens Holst) wrote: > > > I heard there were sold quite a lot. I don't remember correctly > > anymore, but > > > more than 50, maybe 100 if I recall ok. > > > > >We sell about 200 GFX9000 > > Don't you think it's a bit strange so many have been sold already, but > still so little programs that actually use it? Now I remember. Yes, it's true. 200. And it's indeed stupid, but not that strange. A lot of people who bought it can't program, and I know lots of programmers who have one (Patriek Lesparre, Erik Maas, Willem Cazander) (in fact most programmers I know have one), but none of them has released something using it. I know however that Erik and Willem both created some stuff, but it was very small or unfinished. ~Grauw -- ><< email me: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or ICQ: 10196372 visit my homepage at http://grauw.blehq.org/ ><< MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: WIOS hp
At 21:50 9-7-00 +0100, you wrote: >On 9 Jul 2000 20:44:01 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Laurens Holst) wrote: > > I heard there were sold quite a lot. I don't remember correctly > anymore, but > > more than 50, maybe 100 if I recall ok. > > >We sell about 200 GFX9000 Don't you think it's a bit strange so many have been sold already, but still so little programs that actually use it? GreeTz, BiFi Visit my Home Page at www.bifi.msxnet.org mail me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FTP: ftp.bifi.msxnet.org ICQ #36126979 MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: WIOS hp
At 20:35 9-7-00 +0200, you wrote: >Albert Beevendorp wrote: >>Well. I don't know how many Gfx9000 were sold. From Video9000 there are >>21 made and from that 16 sold (I have both a Gfx9000 and Video9000 >>seperately, so that's at least 17. How many more are sold, I don't know. > >Does that include Gfx9000's converted to Video9000? Because mine (old >first-series model) is... > It does, but even then I don't know the exact number sold. GreeTz, BiFi Visit my Home Page at www.bifi.msxnet.org mail me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FTP: ftp.bifi.msxnet.org ICQ #36126979 MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: WIOS hp
On 9 Jul 2000 20:44:01 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Laurens Holst) wrote: > > Albert Beevendorp wrote: > > > > > Well. I don't know how many Gfx9000 were sold. From Video9000 there are > 21 > > > made and from that 16 sold (I have both a Gfx9000 and Video9000 > seperately, > > > so that's at least 17. How many more are sold, I don't know. > > > > Well, I can understand that Video9000 doesn't sell because there are few > people > > that likes to capture screens and things like that. But what about gfx9000 > ? > > I heard there were sold quite a lot. I don't remember correctly anymore, but > more than 50, maybe 100 if I recall ok. > > By the way, someday, if I have the money and a reason to buy a Gfx9000 (I > won't buy it unless I've got a great idea for a program :)), I'll surely buy > it. > > > ~Grauw We sell about 200 GFX9000 Gretz Peter Sunrise for MSX Team MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: WIOS hp
Albert Beevendorp wrote: >Well. I don't know how many Gfx9000 were sold. From Video9000 there are 21 >made and from that 16 sold (I have both a Gfx9000 and Video9000 >seperately, so that's at least 17. How many more are sold, I don't know. Does that include Gfx9000's converted to Video9000? Because mine (old first-series model) is... Patriek MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: WIOS hp
On Sun, 9 Jul 2000 20:43:10 +0200, Laurens Holst wrote: >I heard there were sold quite a lot. I don't remember correctly anymore, but >more than 50, maybe 100 if I recall ok. >By the way, someday, if I have the money and a reason to buy a Gfx9000 (I >won't buy it unless I've got a great idea for a program :)), I'll surely buy >it. I was with a GFX9K here, from MBT, but I just was not able to make it work. I didn't work on my PAL-M/NTSC television, neither on my NTSC/RGB monitor. I tried using it with and without the PAL/NTSC converter. All I have got was an out-of-sync image. I think it should be done RGB out-of-box, and not the european standard. Or the rejection to it out of europe will be a little bigger than the expected. I do not want to buy a new board where I need to change so it can work. I thought on buying it, after I bought a MoonSound and it works great. But after I tried to use GFX9K without sucess, I just forgot about it. - AbraçOS/2, Daniel Caetano ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) /| | | |\ \| ___ |/ OS/2 Sites: http://www.quasarbbs.com/daniel/ \/ - \/ http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/8752/os2hp/os2index.html | | MSX Sites: http://www.fudeba.cjb.net/ -- -- Drawings:http://www.djgallery.tsx.org/ ...Programar e' a arte de organizar zeros e uns de forma que eles produzam trabalho util! MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: WIOS hp
> Albert Beevendorp wrote: > > > Well. I don't know how many Gfx9000 were sold. From Video9000 there are 21 > > made and from that 16 sold (I have both a Gfx9000 and Video9000 seperately, > > so that's at least 17. How many more are sold, I don't know. > > Well, I can understand that Video9000 doesn't sell because there are few people > that likes to capture screens and things like that. But what about gfx9000 ? I heard there were sold quite a lot. I don't remember correctly anymore, but more than 50, maybe 100 if I recall ok. By the way, someday, if I have the money and a reason to buy a Gfx9000 (I won't buy it unless I've got a great idea for a program :)), I'll surely buy it. ~Grauw -- ><< email me: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or ICQ: 10196372 visit my homepage at http://grauw.blehq.org/ ><< MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
RE: WIOS hp
I was scanning the emaillist (over 109 of them from only 2 days!) and it looked a lot were talking about me: hp! Hans-Peter Zeedijk or short hp or hapzee. It's nice thou they are not realy about me but about HOMEPAGES! (what a bummer) Just kiding, but I think too that GFX9000 is just another extention for MSX that isn't going to last. For MSX it is already hard enouth. (I have a GFX9000, but I am not a programmer.) Greetings, Hans-Peter Zeedijk (hp!) -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Namens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: zondag 9 juli 2000 13:51 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: WIOS hp On 9 Jul 2000 12:07:18 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Albert Beevendorp) wrote: > At 23:25 8-7-00 -0300, you wrote: > > > WiOS found on the Sunrise homepage can be downloaded. It's the full version > > > and it's free. You do need a Gfx9000 to see what you're doing and a mouse. > > > Just download it, unpack and run it. AFAIK, there won't be a version for > > > sale. People are working in applications for it which will be fore sale... > > > I got that from Peter Burkhard himself. > > > >Sorry, I made a mistake. I wanted to say that I'm thinking about buying a > >gfx9000, > >I know that WIOS is free. :-) But I would like to see some pictures from WIOS, > >in order to see how is it. Is there a hp with some pictures of WIOS? > > I'm... never bumped into those kind of pictures. There are people working > on software for the Gfx9000, so I don't know why you hessitate to buy it. > It's just a shame WiOS can't handle normal DOS-programs. I've posted a > message to Peter concerning this (idea: to make a DOS-box) and he said to > discuss it with Michael StellMann), so maybe... > > I'd say, if you want to buy it, just do it. There are many benefits with > the Gfx9000. The best is the speed of the commands... You don't need to > wait anymore. I love it, so I'm working on Gfx9000 routines (and then some > applications) myself. The next update of WiOS will have DOS start possibilty. Gretz Peter MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: WIOS hp
Albert Beevendorp wrote: > Well. I don't know how many Gfx9000 were sold. From Video9000 there are 21 > made and from that 16 sold (I have both a Gfx9000 and Video9000 seperately, > so that's at least 17. How many more are sold, I don't know. Well, I can understand that Video9000 doesn't sell because there are few people that likes to capture screens and things like that. But what about gfx9000 ? > >It's good to hear that. But I really miss a hp with some photos with WIOS > >running and showing some apps with technical info. That would help increasing > the > >sales because people would see that there are apps, demos, etc for v9990. Since > there > >are no hp's about it, they might think that there is no one developing software > for it. It's > >hard to buy something when you don't even know how it is. I don't even know > what WiOS means. :-) Can > >you take some pictures of WiOS and send to my e-mail? thanks. > > WiOS stands for Windows Operating System. I'll shoot some digi's of WiOS > screen and mail it to Peter (or he can do some as well) and to you both. > Then Peter can have it put on the Home Page, because it should be good to > see what you're using then. Good. I'm waiting for the pics. :-) > When I'm done with my routines, I'll release it as Public Domain or > Freeware to increase development of software for Gfx9000. That's great, and surely it will help people to develop software for gfx9000. > There are some demo's, applications and games for Gfx9000. I agree with you > there are not that many yet, but we are all working on it. That's good. Maybe with all the work you guys have done, some other people join you to write more software for gfx9000. []s Mauricio Braga. MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: WIOS hp
At 09:57 9-7-00 -0300, you wrote: >Albert Beevendorp wrote: > > > I'm... never bumped into those kind of pictures. There are people working > > on software for the Gfx9000, so I don't know why you hessitate to buy it. > >Well, to be honest with you, I'm not sure if v9990 will be accepted as a >standard >by the MSX users... AFAIK, no one from brazil bought it, and I saw few people >in Europe with it. How many V9990 were sold in europe? I see there are people >working hard with WIOS and other apps, and i think it's great they are doing >that, but it would be nice to know why there aren't more people doing >games,demos >and apps. Any idea? Well. I don't know how many Gfx9000 were sold. From Video9000 there are 21 made and from that 16 sold (I have both a Gfx9000 and Video9000 seperately, so that's at least 17. How many more are sold, I don't know. > > It's just a shame WiOS can't handle normal DOS-programs. I've posted a > > message to Peter concerning this (idea: to make a DOS-box) and he said to > > discuss it with Michael StellMann), so maybe... > > > > I'd say, if you want to buy it, just do it. There are many benefits with > > the Gfx9000. The best is the speed of the commands... You don't need to > > wait anymore. I love it, so I'm working on Gfx9000 routines (and then some > > applications) myself. > >It's good to hear that. But I really miss a hp with some photos with WIOS >running >and showing some apps with technical info. That would help increasing the >sales >because >people would see that there are apps, demos, etc for v9990. Since there >are no hp's >about it, >they might think that there is no one developing software for it. It's >hard to buy >something when >you don't even know how it is. I don't even know what WiOS means. :-) Can >you take >some >pictures of WiOS and send to my e-mail? thanks. WiOS stands for Windows Operating System. I'll shoot some digi's of WiOS screen and mail it to Peter (or he can do some as well) and to you both. Then Peter can have it put on the Home Page, because it should be good to see what you're using then. When I'm done with my routines, I'll release it as Public Domain or Freeware to increase development of software for Gfx9000. There are some demo's, applications and games for Gfx9000. I agree with you there are not that many yet, but we are all working on it. GreeTz, BiFi Visit my Home Page at www.bifi.msxnet.org mail me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FTP: ftp.bifi.msxnet.org ICQ #36126979 MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: WIOS hp
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On 9 Jul 2000 12:07:18 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Albert Beevendorp) wrote: > > At 23:25 8-7-00 -0300, you wrote: > > > > WiOS found on the Sunrise homepage can be downloaded. It's the full version > > > > and it's free. You do need a Gfx9000 to see what you're doing and a mouse. > > > > Just download it, unpack and run it. AFAIK, there won't be a version for > > > > sale. People are working in applications for it which will be fore sale... > > > > I got that from Peter Burkhard himself. > > > > > >Sorry, I made a mistake. I wanted to say that I'm thinking about buying a > > >gfx9000, > > >I know that WIOS is free. :-) But I would like to see some pictures from WIOS, > > >in order to see how is it. Is there a hp with some pictures of WIOS? > > > > I'm... never bumped into those kind of pictures. There are people working > > on software for the Gfx9000, so I don't know why you hessitate to buy it. > > It's just a shame WiOS can't handle normal DOS-programs. I've posted a > > message to Peter concerning this (idea: to make a DOS-box) and he said to > > discuss it with Michael StellMann), so maybe... > > > > I'd say, if you want to buy it, just do it. There are many benefits with > > the Gfx9000. The best is the speed of the commands... You don't need to > > wait anymore. I love it, so I'm working on Gfx9000 routines (and then some > > applications) myself. > The next update of WiOS will have DOS start possibilty. Good. can you tell me more about WiOS? []s Mauricio Braga. MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: WIOS hp
Albert Beevendorp wrote: > I'm... never bumped into those kind of pictures. There are people working > on software for the Gfx9000, so I don't know why you hessitate to buy it. Well, to be honest with you, I'm not sure if v9990 will be accepted as a standard by the MSX users... AFAIK, no one from brazil bought it, and I saw few people in Europe with it. How many V9990 were sold in europe? I see there are people working hard with WIOS and other apps, and i think it's great they are doing that, but it would be nice to know why there aren't more people doing games,demos and apps. Any idea? > It's just a shame WiOS can't handle normal DOS-programs. I've posted a > message to Peter concerning this (idea: to make a DOS-box) and he said to > discuss it with Michael StellMann), so maybe... > > I'd say, if you want to buy it, just do it. There are many benefits with > the Gfx9000. The best is the speed of the commands... You don't need to > wait anymore. I love it, so I'm working on Gfx9000 routines (and then some > applications) myself. It's good to hear that. But I really miss a hp with some photos with WIOS running and showing some apps with technical info. That would help increasing the sales because people would see that there are apps, demos, etc for v9990. Since there are no hp's about it, they might think that there is no one developing software for it. It's hard to buy something when you don't even know how it is. I don't even know what WiOS means. :-) Can you take some pictures of WiOS and send to my e-mail? thanks. []s Mauricio Braga. MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: WIOS hp
On 9 Jul 2000 12:07:18 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Albert Beevendorp) wrote: > At 23:25 8-7-00 -0300, you wrote: > > > WiOS found on the Sunrise homepage can be downloaded. It's the full version > > > and it's free. You do need a Gfx9000 to see what you're doing and a mouse. > > > Just download it, unpack and run it. AFAIK, there won't be a version for > > > sale. People are working in applications for it which will be fore sale... > > > I got that from Peter Burkhard himself. > > > >Sorry, I made a mistake. I wanted to say that I'm thinking about buying a > >gfx9000, > >I know that WIOS is free. :-) But I would like to see some pictures from WIOS, > >in order to see how is it. Is there a hp with some pictures of WIOS? > > I'm... never bumped into those kind of pictures. There are people working > on software for the Gfx9000, so I don't know why you hessitate to buy it. > It's just a shame WiOS can't handle normal DOS-programs. I've posted a > message to Peter concerning this (idea: to make a DOS-box) and he said to > discuss it with Michael StellMann), so maybe... > > I'd say, if you want to buy it, just do it. There are many benefits with > the Gfx9000. The best is the speed of the commands... You don't need to > wait anymore. I love it, so I'm working on Gfx9000 routines (and then some > applications) myself. The next update of WiOS will have DOS start possibilty. Gretz Peter MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: WIOS hp
At 23:25 8-7-00 -0300, you wrote: > > WiOS found on the Sunrise homepage can be downloaded. It's the full version > > and it's free. You do need a Gfx9000 to see what you're doing and a mouse. > > Just download it, unpack and run it. AFAIK, there won't be a version for > > sale. People are working in applications for it which will be fore sale... > > I got that from Peter Burkhard himself. > >Sorry, I made a mistake. I wanted to say that I'm thinking about buying a >gfx9000, >I know that WIOS is free. :-) But I would like to see some pictures from WIOS, >in order to see how is it. Is there a hp with some pictures of WIOS? I'm... never bumped into those kind of pictures. There are people working on software for the Gfx9000, so I don't know why you hessitate to buy it. It's just a shame WiOS can't handle normal DOS-programs. I've posted a message to Peter concerning this (idea: to make a DOS-box) and he said to discuss it with Michael StellMann), so maybe... I'd say, if you want to buy it, just do it. There are many benefits with the Gfx9000. The best is the speed of the commands... You don't need to wait anymore. I love it, so I'm working on Gfx9000 routines (and then some applications) myself. GreeTz, BiFi Visit my Home Page at www.bifi.msxnet.org mail me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FTP: ftp.bifi.msxnet.org ICQ #36126979 MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: WIOS hp
Albert Beevendorp wrote: > At 15:08 8-7-00 -0300, you wrote: > >I saw in the sunrise HP the WIOS to download. I'm considering buying > >one, but I never saw one running. Is there a hp with some pictures and > >info about this WIOS ? > > WiOS found on the Sunrise homepage can be downloaded. It's the full version > and it's free. You do need a Gfx9000 to see what you're doing and a mouse. > Just download it, unpack and run it. AFAIK, there won't be a version for > sale. People are working in applications for it which will be fore sale... > I got that from Peter Burkhard himself. Sorry, I made a mistake. I wanted to say that I'm thinking about buying a gfx9000, I know that WIOS is free. :-) But I would like to see some pictures from WIOS, in order to see how is it. Is there a hp with some pictures of WIOS? []s Mauricio Braga. MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: WIOS hp
At 20:28 8-7-00 +0100, you wrote: >On 8 Jul 2000 20:11:59 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mauricio Braga) wrote: > > Hello all: > > > > I saw in the sunrise HP the WIOS to download. I'm considering buying > > one, but I never saw one running. Is there a hp with some pictures and > > info about this WIOS ? > > > > []s > > > > Mauricio Braga. > > >WiOS is for the Graphics9000 and is free Voila, the same answer from two people... :) GreeTz, BiFi Visit my Home Page at www.bifi.msxnet.org mail me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FTP: ftp.bifi.msxnet.org ICQ #36126979 MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: WIOS hp
On 8 Jul 2000 20:11:59 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mauricio Braga) wrote: > Hello all: > > I saw in the sunrise HP the WIOS to download. I'm considering buying > one, but I never saw one running. Is there a hp with some pictures and > info about this WIOS ? > > []s > > Mauricio Braga. > WiOS is for the Graphics9000 and is free Gretz Peter MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
Re: WIOS hp
At 15:08 8-7-00 -0300, you wrote: >I saw in the sunrise HP the WIOS to download. I'm considering buying >one, but I never saw one running. Is there a hp with some pictures and >info about this WIOS ? WiOS found on the Sunrise homepage can be downloaded. It's the full version and it's free. You do need a Gfx9000 to see what you're doing and a mouse. Just download it, unpack and run it. AFAIK, there won't be a version for sale. People are working in applications for it which will be fore sale... I got that from Peter Burkhard himself. GreeTz, BiFi Visit my Home Page at www.bifi.msxnet.org mail me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FTP: ftp.bifi.msxnet.org ICQ #36126979 MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
WIOS hp
Hello all: I saw in the sunrise HP the WIOS to download. I'm considering buying one, but I never saw one running. Is there a hp with some pictures and info about this WIOS ? []s Mauricio Braga. MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes) in the body (not the subject) of the message. Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] More information on MSX can be found in the following places: The MSX faq: http://www.faq.msxnet.org/ The MSX newsgroup: comp.sys.msx The MSX IRC channel: #MSX on Undernet
WiOS
WiOS, the multitasking OS for the Graphics9000 is out. www.msx.ch MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
WiOS
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WiOS
There are a few months I have readed some news about WiOS, but... * What is exactly WiOS? Is an operating system that uses the capabilities of GFX9000? Is really fast? (that is, is a good choice to use it, if you have GFX9000?) * What is his state? I have readed that the kernel is ready, but not all applications (graphic shell, word process, spread sheet, graphic design, cd-player, ...). Which is the actual state? ++ |Toni Burguera Burguera | ++ | E-mail :[EMAIL PROTECTED] | ++ |9D - La Novena Dimensio | | http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dimension/9812 | ++ MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
Re: WiOS
At 04:26 PM 6/18/98 +0200, you wrote: >There are a few months I have readed some news about WiOS, but... >* What is exactly WiOS? Is an operating system that uses the capabilities >of >GFX9000? Is really fast? (that is, is a good choice to use it, if you have >GFX9000?) It's a GUI (graphical user interface). I don't know if it's also an operating system or if it depends on for example MSX-DOS. I heard that on R800 it runs well, but on 3.5MHz Z80 it's slow. >* What is his state? I have readed that the kernel is ready, but not all >applications (graphic shell, word process, spread sheet, graphic design, >cd-player, ...). Which is the actual state? Look at Sunrise Swiss pages (www.msx.ch) for info. Bye, Maarten MSX Mailinglist. To unsubscribe, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put in the body (not subject) "unsubscribe msx [EMAIL PROTECTED]" (without the quotes :-) Problems? contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] (www.stack.nl/~wiebe/mailinglist/)
