[Muscle] Whether different card manufacturers have different commands format ?
Hi, All After days work, I am still chaos of conception about smartcards. I introduce my environment first. We designed ourself's smardcard controller and use the TDA8024 inerface chip. It's looks like: (Our STB) | | | cpu - smard controller - TDA8024 | |___| We bought several Nagravision Cards on line. But have not any documents neither the seller have. And I am the people who must write the lowest driver. I have read out the ATR about the card: 3f ff 95 00 ff 91 81 71 a0 47 00 44 4e 41 53 50 30 20 54 65 73 74 30 33 Then, I tried to send SELECT FILE command as the ISO7816-4 defined to the card.But have none reponse. So, I searched in google and found out a nagravision hack faq.pdf where said nagravision's cards send commands in format A0 CA 00 00 CL CN DL data0 ..dataDL-1 RL . And that's different with ISO7816-4 ( CLA INS P1 P2 Lc DATA Le ). But my boss gave me a pdf TS 102 221, UICC-Terminal interface; Physical and logical characteristics., He said all smartcards used in DVB should follow this standard.(This standard defines commands format different from nagravision hack faq.pdf but the same as the ISO7816-4 ). So , I want to know whether different card manufacturers have different commands format ? eg. nagravision have command format A0 CA 00 00 CL CN DL data0 .. dataDL-1 RL. And, if so. Whether manufacturers produce cards for DVB systems use the commands format defined by themself, or following SmartCard UICC-Terminal interface(who's command format more likely the ISO7816-4) standard ? Thank you for your time ! Cheers, Bob ___ Muscle mailing list Muscle@lists.musclecard.com http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/muscle
Re:Re: [Muscle] How can I know what's the type of a card through it's ATR?
http://www.nagravision.com/ It should be a pay-tv card. One of the more secret cards. I don't think you can do anything with this card (except watch TV). In general, the game is to create faked pay-tv cards not try to use a real one. Yes, that's right. It's used in our set-top box(STB). I just try to do some base firmware tests now. And may be added supports under OpenCT later. I changed a card and readed out the ATR: TS: 3f T0: ff TA1:95 TB1:00 TC1: ff TD1: 91 TA2: 81 TD2:71 TA3:a0 TB3:47 TC3:00 History: 44 4e 415350 30 20 54 65 73 74 30 33 So, It should be a nagravision card , and there may be some unknow problems in the former card i used. But I got a new problem. The TD1 in the ATR is 0x91, so only protocol T=1 is supported. And TA1 is 0x95, that means Fi=9, Di=5,not Fd=Dd=1 any more. And TA2 is 0x81, means that it's Specific mode.and it's bit5=0. Then whether I needed sending PTS to select protocol T=1 after receiving ATR ? If needed, how to send it ? Because ISO7816 3.4 Protocol type selection (PTS) said If only one protocol type and FI=D=1 (default value of TA1) and N smaller than 255 is indicated in the answer to reset. The transmission protocol associated to the protocol type may be started immediately after the transmission of answer to reset. So, I can't send PTS because Fi=9 and Di=5, and N=0xff. If not, the following operations such as SELECT FILE use which F and D(Fi, Di or Fd, Dd) ? I did'not found clear answers in ISO7916-3 about these things. May be I shoule read it once more. Oh, if you want *my* advice - I would get into pig farming rather than smartcard programming, it's a lot more rewarding and you can bring home the bacon at the end of the day ;-) A ha, You have a good sense of humor. But sometimes it's no choice. It's so long, thank you for your time. --- Best Regards, Bob___ Muscle mailing list Muscle@lists.musclecard.com http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/muscle
Re:Re: [Muscle] How can I know what's the type of a card through it's ATR?
Thanks again for your informations. I have a last thing want to be confirmed that the commands defined in ISO7816-4 are not a standard? All commands are card dependent ? (Although sometimes different types may have the same commands set). I am looking the OPENCT sourece, Thanks again! - bob If you don't know what type of card you have, then just sending random APDUs to the card won't do you much good, and you may wind up locking up the card and rendering it useless. In your example, you are looking at a Gemalto forum, do you think that your card is a Gemalto card of some type? You can try some common APDUs that work with OpenPlatform JavaCard So, I don't know here what commands I can use ? Do a Google search for OpenPlatform or have a look at the OpenSC sources for example to find more information on APDUs that you can use. And in my opinion, most of the commands in ISO7816-4 should SELECT FILE at first. So, I just try to implement the SELECT FILE command. Well, why do you think that you need to do a SELECT FILE at first? Some cards don't have any type of filesystem at all, so a SELECT FILE won't do anything with those types of cards. mike ___ Muscle mailing list Muscle@lists.musclecard.com http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/muscle
Re:Re:Re: [Muscle] How can I know what's the type of a card through it's ATR?
ha, I got a little more information. There are characters NAGRAVISION on one side of the cards. And there wroted Swiss Mode. But I still have no clear idea about it. --- Bob ___ Muscle mailing list Muscle@lists.musclecard.com http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/muscle
[Muscle] How can I know what's the type of a card through it's ATR?
Hi, All I am wirting a smartcard driver, the ATR is like below. ATR: TS is 3b T0 is 6c TB1 is 0 TC1 is 2 history char is : 36 61 86 38 4b 8c 13 4 62 3 59 8a Then,how can I know what's the type of my card(such as the producer..) I have try to find it at http://www.sun-rays.org/lib/smartcard_list.txt,but have no answer. I want to do this, because i always get failure when selecting the MF file. I try to get more information about my card. Thanks a lot Bob___ Muscle mailing list Muscle@lists.musclecard.com http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/muscle
Re:Re: [Muscle] How can I know what's the type of a card through it's ATR?
Thanks a lot for your detail information. I want to find out informations on the card just in order to find out the command set of the card. I don't know the commands is ISO7816 based or card producer dependent ? eg. I find out the SELECT FILE command from ISO7816(MF file): 00 A4 02 3F00 But the response error. So, I looked up in Google,and someone says the command may be this: A0 A4 02 3F00 , depending on the card's type. (http://developer.gemalto.com/nc/forums.html?view=single_threadcat_uid=1conf_uid=3thread_uid=445page=3) You can try some common APDUs that work with OpenPlatform JavaCard So, I don't know here what commands I can use ? And in my opinion, most of the commands in ISO7816-4 should SELECT FILE at first. So, I just try to implement the SELECT FILE command. -- Cherrs, Bob On Jan 12, 2009, at 12:43 AM, lion wrote: Hi, All I am wirting a smartcard driver, the ATR is like below. ATR: TS is 3b T0 is 6c TB1 is 0 TC1 is 2 history char is : 36 61 86 38 4b 8c 13 4 62 3 59 8a Then,how can I know what's the type of my card(such as the producer..) I have try to find it at http://www.sun-rays.org/lib/smartcard_list.txt,but have no answer. I want to do this, because i always get failure when selecting the MF file I try to get more information about my card. Well my experience is that you can't always tell what type of card you have just by looking at the ATR, which is why I created the SwapDrop language that Sun Ray uses to run smartcard config files that use heuristics to identify a card that is inserted into the Sun Ray's internal smartcard reader. The config files may use the ATR information (usually the history bytes and/or the length) as one of the tests to try to identify a card. Other tests include checking for the presence of specific directories and/or files, checking for the length and/or contents of a particular file, trying to select one or more applets (on cards that support applets) and issuing specific APDUs and noting the response from the card. I had a look on Ludovic's list here: http://ludovic.rousseau.free.fr/softwares/pcsc-tools/smartcard_list.txt but I couldn't find an ATR that matches your card's ATR. Try playing with Google to see if someone else has posted the ATR or an ATR that is similar to yours. Do you have any more information on the card that you want to find out about? You can try some common APDUs that work with OpenPlatform JavaCard cards, perhaps you have one of those cards. Or maybe scan an image of the card (if it's not a blank white card ;-) and post it somewhere for people to look at. Even if it is a blank white card, you can usually tell the manufacturer of the chip from the contact pad design, so that might be a good lead. mike ___ Muscle mailing list Muscle@lists.musclecard.com http://lists.drizzle.com/mailman/listinfo/muscle
