Re: [mb-style] Albums compiled by artists

[kuno]

On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 11:28:03PM +0100, Erik Dalén wrote:
> Jan van Thiel wrote:
> > I agree that these have to be cleaned up. But I don't think a
> > guideline is necessary. Common sense should do the trick ;) And for me
> > that is: if the ReleaseArtist is clearly stated on the release (which
> > is for most/all of these releases), it should be set. Of course, also
> > a DJ-Mixed by/Compiled by AR should be created.

I agree :)

> So in your opinion this release should be Ladytron not Various Artists?
> 
> http://musicbrainz.org/release/b6cbb7a5-a0c2-47f8-93a2-7157874249eb.html

Yes. (imo).

-- kuno (warp).


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Re: [mb-style] Albums compiled by artists

[Erik Dalén]

Jan van Thiel wrote:
> On 3/5/07, Rod Begbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> There are a few series of compilation discs available where an artist
>> or group compiles songs they like or were influenced by.  Examples
>> include:
> 
> [...]
> 
>> Currently, these discs are sometimes filed under the compiling artist,
>> and sometimes under "Various Artists".  Also, sometimes the "Compiled
>> by" or "DJ-Mixed by" ARs are set, and sometimes they aren't.
>>
>> I'd like to propose a StyleGuideline to clean this up a bit.  My
>> initial feeling is that the discs should be filed under "Various
>> Artists" with the appropriate AR back to the artist.
> 
> I agree that these have to be cleaned up. But I don't think a
> guideline is necessary. Common sense should do the trick ;) And for me
> that is: if the ReleaseArtist is clearly stated on the release (which
> is for most/all of these releases), it should be set. Of course, also
> a DJ-Mixed by/Compiled by AR should be created.
> 
> Jan (zout)

So in your opinion this release should be Ladytron not Various Artists?

http://musicbrainz.org/release/b6cbb7a5-a0c2-47f8-93a2-7157874249eb.html

/Erik



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Re: [mailing] [mb-style] RFC: Opera Track Style

[Frederic Da Vitoria]

2007/3/5, Aaron Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

On 3/2/07, Don Redman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 13:26:33 +0100, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote:
>
> > 2007/3/2, Aaron Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> On 3/2/07, Frederic Da Vitoria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > Do you want to try Don's suggestion yourself? It would mean editing an
> >> > actual release this way and telling other users you have done so that
> >> > we can see if it works.
> >>
> >> I would like to try Don's procedure, but I am unclear as to when the
> >> style becomes "official".  Would editing a 14-disc 'The Ring' set be
> >> enough of a testing ground?  I know that many of those complex
> >> examples exist on a release I own.
> >>
> >> I think I will edit that release this afternoon and post the edit #'s
> >> here for everyone to review and we can move forward from there, one
> >> step at a time :)
> >
> > I suppose we can't really define the number of tests before triggering
> > the RFV. It depends on the complexity of the rule being tested. For
> > this one, I suppose the relevant releases are potentially quite
> > different so we have probably missed problems, but OTOH the rule
> > itself is pretty simple... and it is really needed! So you can send
> > the RFV as soon as you think we have enough actual edits to support
> > it.
> >
>
> My intention was not to place even more burdens on you by having you make
> test edits.
> I have explained a bit what I *did* mean, and I have done it as a podcast
> to save my fingers some typing. It's 5 minutes long (and no, it does not
> have a MBID yet ;-) )
>
> 
>
> listen, then read on:
>
> I would suggest, you delete all the clutter form the wiki page ('cooked'
> discussions, the alternative orderings etc) and then present this as a RFV
> pretty soon and without too much fuss. Then we have a 'beta period' for a
> while (as explained in voice), and then we make the guideline 'stable'.

I would like to clean up the OTS wiki page, but I dislike the idea of
"deleting" all documentation of our discussions (and all of Frederic's
work!).  What do we think about moving the current OTS contents to
OperaTrackStyleProposal and then using OperaTrackStyle to document the
guidelines?


Yes. Or OperaTrackStyleDiscussion, since it may need a page to discuss
evolutions. I agree keeping track of the history is important. Thus
newcomers may see that some ideas were already suggested and why they
were not kept.

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Frederic Da Vitoria

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Re: [mb-style] Albums compiled by artists

[Jan van Thiel]

On 3/5/07, Rod Begbie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

There are a few series of compilation discs available where an artist
or group compiles songs they like or were influenced by.  Examples
include:


[...]


Currently, these discs are sometimes filed under the compiling artist,
and sometimes under "Various Artists".  Also, sometimes the "Compiled
by" or "DJ-Mixed by" ARs are set, and sometimes they aren't.

I'd like to propose a StyleGuideline to clean this up a bit.  My
initial feeling is that the discs should be filed under "Various
Artists" with the appropriate AR back to the artist.


I agree that these have to be cleaned up. But I don't think a
guideline is necessary. Common sense should do the trick ;) And for me
that is: if the ReleaseArtist is clearly stated on the release (which
is for most/all of these releases), it should be set. Of course, also
a DJ-Mixed by/Compiled by AR should be created.

Jan (zout)

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Re: [mailing] [mb-style] RFC: Opera Track Style

[Aaron Cooper]

On 3/2/07, Don Redman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 13:26:33 +0100, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote:

> 2007/3/2, Aaron Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> On 3/2/07, Frederic Da Vitoria <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Do you want to try Don's suggestion yourself? It would mean editing an
>> > actual release this way and telling other users you have done so that
>> > we can see if it works.
>>
>> I would like to try Don's procedure, but I am unclear as to when the
>> style becomes "official".  Would editing a 14-disc 'The Ring' set be
>> enough of a testing ground?  I know that many of those complex
>> examples exist on a release I own.
>>
>> I think I will edit that release this afternoon and post the edit #'s
>> here for everyone to review and we can move forward from there, one
>> step at a time :)
>
> I suppose we can't really define the number of tests before triggering
> the RFV. It depends on the complexity of the rule being tested. For
> this one, I suppose the relevant releases are potentially quite
> different so we have probably missed problems, but OTOH the rule
> itself is pretty simple... and it is really needed! So you can send
> the RFV as soon as you think we have enough actual edits to support
> it.
>

My intention was not to place even more burdens on you by having you make
test edits.
I have explained a bit what I *did* mean, and I have done it as a podcast
to save my fingers some typing. It's 5 minutes long (and no, it does not
have a MBID yet ;-) )



listen, then read on:

I would suggest, you delete all the clutter form the wiki page ('cooked'
discussions, the alternative orderings etc) and then present this as a RFV
pretty soon and without too much fuss. Then we have a 'beta period' for a
while (as explained in voice), and then we make the guideline 'stable'.


I would like to clean up the OTS wiki page, but I dislike the idea of
"deleting" all documentation of our discussions (and all of Frederic's
work!).  What do we think about moving the current OTS contents to
OperaTrackStyleProposal and then using OperaTrackStyle to document the
guidelines?

--
-Aaron

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[mb-style] Albums compiled by artists

[Rod Begbie]

Hi Gang.

There are a few series of compilation discs available where an artist
or group compiles songs they like or were influenced by.  Examples
include:

"Back to Mine" 
http://musicbrainz.org/search/textsearch.html?query=back+to+mine&type=release&limit=&handlearguments=1

"Late Night Tales"
http://musicbrainz.org/search/textsearch.html?query=late+night+tales&type=release&limit=25&handlearguments=1

"The Trip"
http://musicbrainz.org/release/9e1c1458-717c-4daf-9d79-4605b90db517.html
http://musicbrainz.org/release/3a45f600-85ad-4671-9cb0-06be944ef436.html
http://musicbrainz.org/release/68b86c91-a55f-4aed-a3b4-15940f877bd2.html


Currently, these discs are sometimes filed under the compiling artist,
and sometimes under "Various Artists".  Also, sometimes the "Compiled
by" or "DJ-Mixed by" ARs are set, and sometimes they aren't.

I'd like to propose a StyleGuideline to clean this up a bit.  My
initial feeling is that the discs should be filed under "Various
Artists" with the appropriate AR back to the artist.

Thoughts?

Rod.

--
:: Rod Begbie :: http://groovymother.com/ ::

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